₦airaland Forum

tobechi74:
Jesus did not condemn the adulterers. Why do we condemn adulterers and homosexual. Hate the sin.lovevthe sinner

jmoore:
Then stick to human evolution that teaches Apes are your cousins.


No time for debate/argument.

ggirl4real:
I have nothing against homosexuals

Christians should stop condemning them but if the homosexuals are Christians and other Christians believe they are sinners, then it means the confusion in the Bible is serious because both categories of Christians are backing up their stance with the same Bible.

ggirl4real:
This is why I always say that the Christian religion and the Bible is filled with confusion

How can some Christian groups believe that homosexuality is a sin while others believe that it is not and both groups use the Bible to back up their points?

mariahAngel:
Piece of sh!t!

jmoore:
To the post.Devil quoted the scriptures when he tempted Jesus Christ.
Devil is still in the business of manipulating the words of Bible to promote his evils agenda.
Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "Go and sin no more". If adultery is good, why did Jesus tell her not to commit adultery again?
Expand the list of other evil in that your list to see how ridiculous it sounds. Rapists, ritual killers, etc. Fact: Homosexuality is a sin.

ggirl4real:
So is Jesus in support of homosexuality?

Kobojunkie:
There is nothing manipulative about the OP.

Jesus Christ DID NOT condemn the woman caught in the act of Adultery. He told her to "go and sin no more", but He did not condemn her for her sins.

The point of the OPs story is that we do not condemn those we find in sin because it is not our place to do so. Just because it is a sin does not then make it your place to condemn anything you find in it. It is not your place or mine to do such. Jesus Christ said that He has not come to condemn, but to save. While He was here on earth, the same Jesus Christ lived among sinners -- He wined and dined with them. They loved Him because He did not condemn them but instead He told them of salvation that would be for them if they wanted it. He did not force His views on them and He never lied to them.

Whether a person is a liar, a thief, a fornicator, a homosexual... as a follower of Jesus Christ, you are not to condemn them or their sins. You are instead to, as Jesus Christ did, show them the love that Jesus Christ commands you and I to. Nothing more! Unfortunately, a quick look at the Christian world and you know that instead many have set themselves up as judges against the sins of men, doing so as though in the name of Jesus Christ, something that is expressly AntiChrist in every way.

jmoore:
I never used the word "condemnation" in my post. I have known for several decades how some people obviously refuse to quote the full verse when talking about condemnation. "Go and sin no more" has been omitted whenever people like the op try to manipulate.
Study his previous posts, then you can cross your 't''s and dot your 'i's.

When SARS kill innocent people, what should we do?
When a rapists rapes a 6 month baby and the baby dies, what should we do?

Jesus Christ dined with sinners. But we all know the Bible can't record every conversation that went on their.
The obvious one which is "Go and sin no more" should be more louder than "don't condemn".
Devil tempted Jesus Christ using the scriptures. I wasn't wrong saying the op is manipulative. He's using the same tactics like the devil.

tobechi74:
A Christian dad and son conversation on homosexuality
A Christian dad and son conversation on homosexuality

Son: what does the Bible teach about homosexuality and masturbation.

Dad: I do not know and I do not care to know

Son: But you are a Christian

Dad: yes, A Christian who follows the teaching of Jesus. Christ alone and not the Bible.

Son; But Bible contains Jesus teaching

Dad: true. It also contains the teaching of Paul,the teaching of Moses , the teaching of Elijah and many other teaching. As a Christian, I accept the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Son: Ok, Now what did Jesus teach about masturbation and homosexuality.

Dad: Jesus never mentioned any of them literally but he showed us with illaustration how to treat those whose views are different from ours.

Child: How?

Dad: He never condemned the adultrous woman, he visited tax collectors, he dined with sinners. He showered them with love.

Son : does that mean they won’t go to hell?

Dad: would you derive Joy in Watching your loved one in hell?

Son: No I won’t

Dad: good.

Dad: sex is a way of expressing Love. There are different stages of love. The first is love directed to oneself. A child grows up loving himself.Using sexual analogy, the child derives Joy playing with his body, his genital. Jesus said Love thyself.


Son : hmm

Dad: The second is Love of similar specie.The child begins to extend the love to those of closest to him+ family, friend,tribe etc. A boy plays with a boy.A girl plays with a girl. Using sexual analogy, this is homosexual. Christ preached Love your neighbor.


Son : I see

Dad: The third stage of love is where one loves those different from oneself .Jesus said Love your enemy.your enemy is your opponent, opposite,one with a different view. Sexually, one is attracted to the gender different from him.A boy is attracted to a girl and vice-versa.

Son :

Dad: One who hates masturbators and homosexuals and love heterosexual is no different from one who loves others over himself and his peers.Such person is in a third stage of love.


Son : which is the best.

Dad: All of the above.The fourth type. The pansexual. The attraction to all . Self, male, and female. It is universal love. Agape love. Love without condition.

Kobojunkie:
I don't know the heart of the @OP but I do know that every word that Jesus Christ said ought to carry equal weight in our hearts. "Go Home and Sin No More" carries the same weight as "I have come to save and not to condemn". Halving the truth diminishes it's quality as truth, do you not know?

Trying to make one seem more important than the other is what the Satan actually tried to do to Jesus Christ in the wilderness, and honestly, that is what Satan does a lot. Satan approached Jesus Christ with half-truths, but Jesus, being the Truth of God, countered Him with the full Truth of God. And I believe Jesus Christ did mention this somewhere in the Gospels when He spoke of How Satan was more focused on things that did not matter.
That is why it is important to consider the Truth of God in the context that it was given, always. For when we intentionally quote half of what was said without including the rest of it, we play the same game that Satan tried to play on Jesus Christ in the wilderness.

My view of the OP is that the converation is between a curious son and a Dad who uses avoidance to steer his son away from that which he, the dad, percieves as evil.

Where there Homosexuals when Jesus Christ was on earth? Absolutely! Did Jesus target them, to warn them against sinning? Likely not. Why? Because if you read closely, the gospels, you will see that Jesus focused mainly on teaching His disciples on the commandments that entailed the Covenant that He represented and nothing more. He did not spend time dwelling on issues outside of what He came for. As His Followers, we ought also to follow His example, dwelling only on that which He, our one and ONLY teacher, taught us to dwell on, and nothing more.

Jesus Christ condemned false teachers/prophets/priests/ all those who pretended to come in the name of the Lord, and barely said anything about actual sinners. Go figure!

jmoore:
And you are not aware that homosexuality movement has crawled into the church?
I am not bothered about atheists who support homosexuality.
The op and folks like him are like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned. Go figure!!

Kobojunkie:
You believe in those things you call churches, don't you? Even though they are not the Church that Jesus Christ spoke of i.e. His Body?

jmoore:
You said Jesus condemned false teachers.
So, what's the difference between a false teacher and one promoting homosexuality under the guise of Christianity? Both are false teachers, hence condemnation is applied.

jmoore:
And you are not aware that homosexuality movement has crawled into the church?

I am not bothered abo hiut atheists who support homosexuality.

The op and folks like him are like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned. Go figure!!

tobechi74:
you just condemned me.

tobechi74:
Front page

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img]

Smh, this bit of for the fame of "Front page" blarney, betrayed your real reason for creating and/or opening the thread.

Anyway, all I've read are comments from naive, homophobic, ignorant and biblical undereducated interlocutors, like ggirl4real, jmoore, mariahAngel and 1StopRudeness, who dont know what homosexuality or same sex attraction, that's of or between two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses, enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy, free of promiscuity et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object and/or even neighbour, is about, lmso

Kobojunkie:
I don't know the heart of the @OP but I do know that every word that Jesus Christ said ought to carry equal weight in our hearts. "Go Home and Sin No More" carries the same weight as "I have come to save and not to condemn". Halving the truth diminishes it's quality as truth, do you not know?

Trying to make one seem more important than the other is what the Satan actually tried to do to Jesus Christ in the wilderness, and honestly, that is what Satan does a lot. Satan approached Jesus Christ with half-truths, but Jesus, being the Truth of God, countered Him with the full Truth of God. And I believe Jesus Christ did mention this somewhere in the Gospels when He spoke of How Satan was more focused on things that did not matter.

That is why it is important to consider the Truth of God in the context that it was given, always. For when we intentionally quote half of what was said without including the rest of it, we play the same game that Satan tried to play on Jesus Christ in the wilderness.

My view of the OP is that the converation is between a curious son and a Dad who uses avoidance to steer his son away from that which he, the dad, percieves as evil.

Where there Homosexuals when Jesus Christ was on earth? Absolutely! Did Jesus target them, to warn them against sinning? Likely not. Why? Because if you read closely, the gospels, you will see that Jesus focused mainly on teaching His disciples on the commandments that entailed the Covenant that He represented and nothing more. He did not spend time dwelling on issues outside of what He came for. As His Followers, we ought also to follow His example, dwelling only on that which He, our one and ONLY teacher, taught us to dwell on, and nothing more.

Jesus Christ condemned false teachers/prophets/priests/ all those who pretended to come in the name of the Lord, and barely said anything about actual sinners. Go figure!

jmoore:
And you are not aware that homosexuality movement has crawled into the church?

I am not bothered about atheists who support homosexuality.

The op and folks like him are like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned. Go figure!!

MuttleyLaff:
Important to consider the Truth of God in the context that it was given, always, is not something ingrained anywhere in the psyche (i.e. human soul, mind and spirit) of homophobic bigots, lmso.

And you are not aware that promiscuity movement has crawled into the church?

The OP and folks like him, whatever that means, aren't at all like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned, but you my dear sire jmoore and others of like mind, that toe your line, are the modern day equivalent of the Pharisees, that Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ was ever at loggerheads with

Now brethren Kobojunkie and jmoore, I dare youse to respond to this question, lmso. Since Kobojunkie typed that he/she doesnt know the heart of the @OP, then I wouldnt mind tobechi74 too have a go at the below asked question, lmso. In fact, special invite is extended to ggirl4real, mariahAngel and 1StopRudeness to come answer the question as well, lmso

What exactly is the evil and/or what particularly is sinful, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses, enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy, free of promiscuity et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object and/or even neighbour, lmso, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
What exactly is the evil and/or what particularly is sinful, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses, enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy, free of promiscuity et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object and/or even neighbour, lmso, hmm?

mariahAngel:
So, what they said about you then was the truth!

mariahAngel:
... No wonder you couldn't answer directly when I asked you...you kept on going in circles

mariahAngel:
Get away from me with your devilish doctrine!

mariahAngel:
... I am not interested in having that conversation with you.

MuttleyLaff:
Important to consider the Truth of God in the context that it was given, always, is not something ingrained anywhere in the psyche (i.e. human soul, mind and spirit) of homophobic bigots, lmso.

And you are not aware that promiscuity movement has crawled into the church?

The OP and folks like him, whatever that means, aren't at all like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned, but you my dear sire jmoore and others of like mind, that toe your line, are the modern day equivalent of the Pharisees, that Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ was ever at loggerheads with

Now brethren Kobojunkie and jmoore, I dare youse to respond to this question, lmso. Since Kobojunkie typed that he/she doesnt know the heart of the @OP, then I wouldnt mind tobechi74 too have a go at the below asked question, lmso. In fact, special invite is extended to ggirl4real, mariahAngel and 1StopRudeness to come answer the question as well, lmso

What exactly is the evil and/or what particularly is sinful, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses, enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy, free of promiscuity et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object and/or even neighbour, lmso, hmm?

1StopRudeness:
First.., who told u it’s allowed to write just one English sentense this long .?

1StopRudeness:
Second...there’s nothing wrong with whateva you chose to do with ur life.....it’s ur life......make ur decision and live with it....

1StopRudeness:
Third...weda an act is right or wrong has nothing to do with peoples opinion and preference...a lot of people don’t like anti-natural things...it’s prefernce, it’s not hatred... and it’s their opinion..u gay people should understand that....
Atheist don’t like any religion and faith systems, it’s their opinion...and I respect them for it...

1StopRudeness:
However, What’s wrong is twisting faith based scripture to suit ur personal narrative..... u can live ur life outside the principle of biblical doctrines....just as being gay has become an identity to some ...: religion is an identity to some people too ..twisting it is not only insulting its also repulsive.....

1StopRudeness:
can u people do so with islam’s doctrine and not get beheaded.??...I've seen Muslims that’s feel like ramming their pen!s in a nother man’s asss... they left the religion so they can express their sexuality... they ddnt go about twisting the Quran just becos they want to have sex...

1StopRudeness:
Guy!!!!! It’s just sex.... I don’t know why u gay people like to cry over it when people have their opinion....

jmoore:
Christianity doesn't play the CONSENT card.

jmoore:
Homosexuality is death.

jmoore:
If a woman has sex with a dog, it would be OK according to your logic.

jmoore:
Homosexuality is evil!!!

MuttleyLaff:
I careless about Christianity, I stand on and by the undiluted, unadulterated, not mistranslated, undoctored, unaltered, free of distorted insertion(s) far from the original word/text/narrative word of God and/or the Bible

Homosexuality per se is not death

So according to your perverted, evil and twisted mind, a dog knows it gives consent for a woman to have sex with it. So you dont come across as being sexist, tell nah, how about men having sex with cows, goats, lambs, donkeys et cetera, do these animals in your corrupt reasoning too give consent to men having sex with them, hmm?

Please free to state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what exactly is evil in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses, enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy, free of promiscuity et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object and/or even neighbour, lmso, hmm?

jmoore:
If you are not a Christian, no debate is needed here.

jmoore:
Homosexuality is not only evil, it is insanity.

jmoore:
Before you start your lengthy reply, check if you are a product of a homosexual affair.

jmoore:
If you are not, then you would see you are defending rubbish.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont play the Christian card here with me
What is easier to do, bury your head in the sand with arse showing as if like a bewildered ostrich or have a formal, matured minds, healthy discourse, hmm?

I accept that to your understanding homosexuality is not only evil, it is insanity, but why is it difficult for you to articulate with verifiable proof, what particularly in homosexuality is not only evil, but is insanity, hmm?

Though this is an invalid request, coming from any argument that's based on erroneous biblical information and unsound bible based reasoning, I will oblige you. If you must know, personally I am not a product of a homosexual affair, but I know many SSA couples who have children, lmso

You still are at a lost of saying what exactly in a SSA relationship is rubbish, lmso. You dont know what to say, specifically, is rubbish in a monogamous for life as in until death do part, SSA relationship is.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, it’s allowed to write just one English sentence this long because extraordinary lies gives way for extraordinary English sentence this long, and yeah, so, I am thankful to God that I have the grace to write one English sentence that long. I never water content down, just because someone hasn’t the capacity to read or can’t handle long and explicit content at 110% proof

Exactamundo!

Is an animal activist, an animal?. Smh. You just have no idea. Sigh.

What really is repulsive, is the ignorance(s) you've been busy wantonly displaying on this thread and with this post as well. What is really repulsive is you using the bible to justify your discrimination, homophobia and intolerance.

If you don’t like SSA people and how they loyally love themselves, then blame the non SSA people, because they are the ones who keep having SSA babies, they are the ones, who keep having gays/homosexuals, lmso

So you actually believe all same sex attraction relationships involves "ramming their pen!s in a nother man’s asss" sic, hmm, lmso?

You really think its just sex abi, lmso? People are free to and can have their opinions, but realise that opinions change in face of truth and facts, lmso. Do you know the difference between fidelity and infidelity, lmso, hmm?

jmoore:
Obviously homosexuality has beclouded your reasoning.

Sperm + Sperm = No baby

Eggs + Eggs = No baby

You just proved that homosexuality is insanity.

Who believes a man can impregnate his fellow man?