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jesusjnr2020:
You seem to be stammering as though a gun was pointed to your head even though this was just a simple question on NL?

Are you that afraid of death, that it took three posts to say a word. And yet you haven't even answer the simple question.

It's obvious you're one of those that would immediately do so, yet you're making noise upandan mocking those who really do so, to show that you're nothing but a confused soul whose comments shouldn't be taken seriously by any sane person.

Lmao...
I Only responded to that lady, but didn't see the need to, so I took those posts down. So don't embarass yourself.
And yes, it's human to be afraid of death, but you don't see me waking up in the midnight shouting holy ghost fire,die die die!!! Or wearing aprons and carrying 'anointed handkerchiefs' to protect myself from death. Lmao.

Like I said, when you've died, you can now come back and tell us your experience. Not feeding us information your pastor told you in Sunday school when you were small.

kingxsamz:
Lmao...
I Only responded to that lady, but didn't see the need to, so I took those posts down. So don't embarass yourself.
And yes, it's human to be afraid of death, but you don't see me waking up in the midnight shouting holy ghost fire,die die die!!! Or wearing aprons and carrying 'anointed handkerchiefs' to protect myself from death. Lmao.

Like I said, when you've died, you can now come back and tell us your experience. Not feeding us information your pastor told you in Sunday school when you were small.

Look at the way you're dancing around the question and not answering it at the end?

Would you accept Christ because of fear of death?

Answer the simple question and stop beating about the bush like someone looking for something he didn't put there.

jesusjnr2020:
Look at the way you're dancing around the question and not answering it at the end?

Would you accept Christ because of fear of death?

Answer the simple question and stop beating about the bush like someone looking for something he didn't put there.

Lmao.
Hell No!

kingxsamz:
Lmao.
Hell No!

I don't believe you...

You seem such a coward that even a small persecution would make you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior not to talk of death.

I can believe a few here but certainly not you. You're just saying this because your life is not immediately under such a threat.

jesusjnr2020:
I don't believe you...

You seem such a coward that even a small persecution would make you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior not to talk of death.

I can believe a few here but certainly not you. You're just saying this because your life is not immediately under such a threat.

Na you dey ask question, na you dey answer.
I said no, and you called me a coward and said you don't believe me. Na so the thing pain you reach?
Lmao.
Believe me or not, na u sabi.
You should be ashamed that you disgraced yourself in the faces of Atheists on here, after claiming you'll end atheism on Nairaland.

Lmao, this Nigga deactivated out of shame and here he is calling people cowards.
Take several seats.

kingxsamz:

Na you dey ask question, na you dey answer.
I said no, and you called me a coward and said you don't believe me. Na so the thing pain you reach?
Lmao.
Believe me or not, na u sabi.
You should be ashamed that you disgraced yourself in the faces of Atheists on here, after claiming you'll end atheism on Nairaland.

Lmao, this Nigga deactivated out of shame and here he is calling people cowards.
Take several seats.

Lol!

You had to go there, so let me also return the favor and remind of how you disgraced yourself accusing the Bible of what you're guilty of, and your truly was there to expose your foolishness to your own admission.

If you were not shameless, that should have made you to take a break from Nairaland even if not deactivate, and reconsider some of your accusations, so as avoid such unwarranted blunders in the future. But no, you just continued shamelessly because this is not about getting it right but just expressing your antireligious sentiments.

So if there's anyone to talk about someone being shameless, you should be the last person, because you've clearly shown yourself to be have none.

And also a coward!

jesusjnr2020:
Lol!

You had to go there, so let me also return the favor and remind of how you disgraced yourself accusing the Bible of what you're guilty of, and your truly was there to expose your foolishness to your own admission.

If you were not shameless, that should have made you to take a break from Nairaland even if not deactivate, and reconsider some of your accusations, so as avoid such unwarranted blunders in the future. But no, you just continued shamelessly because this is not about getting it right but just expressing your antireligious sentiments.

So if there's anyone to talk about someone being shameless, you should be the last person, because you've clearly shown yourself to be have none.

And also a coward!

Baba had to type 'lol' to calm himself down.
I can see through your pain and frustration.
What is stopping you from ending atheism on Nairaland? Let me guess, your god failed you.
Out of shame you deactivated and had to cry yourself to sleep every night.
You had no shame and had to create another moniker after hiding behind some new account for weeks. Now here you are calling same atheists cowards.

If you were not shameless, that should have made you to take a break from Nairaland even if not deactivate

Lmao.. So you agree you were ashamed, hence you had to deactivate?

You'll be fine don't worry.

kingxsamz:

Baba had to type 'lol' to calm himself down.
I can see through your pain and frustration.
What is stopping you from ending atheism on Nairaland? Let me guess, your god failed you.
Out of shame you deactivated and had to cry yourself to sleep every night.
You had no shame and had to create another moniker after hiding behind some new account for weeks. Now here you are calling same atheists cowards.




Lmao.. So you agree you were ashamed, hence you had to deactivate?

You'll be fine don't worry.

You must be looking at a mirror lol because everything you said describes you. If you think God failed me and I'm still here putting y'all atheists to shame, that should tell you something about yourself, and also show you the difference between me and the likes of you.

Because the only reason you're here is because you believe God failed you so you're here speaking against Him, but just a small shaking now, you would immediately accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, Lol!

You guys are just so shameless and cowardice. Only fools would take your words seriously.

jesusjnr2020:
You must be looking at a mirror lol because everything you said describes you. If you think God failed me and I'm still here putting y'all atheists to shame, that should tell you something about yourself, and also show you the difference between me and the likes of you.

Because the only reason you're here is because you believe God failed you so you're here speaking against Him, but just a small shaking now, you would immediately accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, Lol!

You guys are just so shameless and cowardice. Only fools would take your words seriously.

Chai! This thing really pain you o.


It is that confidence that you have that atheists would accept your imaginary lord if they encounter challenges is what's funny.

Anyways, that's your business. If you tell yourself that to make you sleep well at night, it's all good.

If you were putting anyone to shame, you wouldn't have deactivated in the first place out of shame.

After embarrassing yourself, you're looking for who to put to shame. Abeg.

jesusjnr2020:
If you think God failed me and I'm still here putting y'all atheists to shame,

Good thing Nairaland never forgets.
See how you were clowning.
You should be ashamed of yourself and ashamed of your lord too.
Clown.

Splinz:
Let's get something straight, sir.
The Bible says "the wages of sin is death", not the wages of Adam's sin. Also, "all have sinned...".
By implication, it simply means all of us have earned the wages of sin, which is why eternal life is a gift.
So it's no longer about Adam. We have all sinned.
You asked where is "eternal death" in John 3:16? Okay. What does it mean to perish?
Thank you.

You still have your eyes closed to what is right in front of you for some reason.

Through whom did the curse of Sin and Death come on mankind? It was through Adam. Adam was the first to sin, and through Him the curse was placed on all mankind. We were condemned since then to die in our sins. That is the wages of sin that is spoken of in the Bible.

In Ezekiel 18, God swore by His name that in fact "the soul that sins will be the one to die" reaffirming that penalty He had placed on everyone who sinned, from the beginning.

Jesus Christ is not the bringer of death for anyone to suggest that with Him came death to anyone. On the contrary, He brought life of the eternal kind to a world that was wrought by death and lots of it too.

As for you claim that "eternal death" means "to perish". When God decreed that Adam would die and be returned to the dust from whence He came, were you of the mind that God was pronouncing some sort of temporary death on Adam and his descendants? Man was condemned to die(perish) for his sins from the beginning.

Death has always meant eternal death from the beginning. Only when Jesus Christ came into the picture did He remove the power of death over those who accept Him --- giving them eternal life. Jesus Christ came to save mankind from condemnation, not to condemn mankind. So, there is no way that Jesus Christ could have come with the promise of eternal death.

kingxsamz:
Chai! This thing really pain you o.


It is that confidence that you have that atheists would accept your imaginary lord if they encounter challenges is what's funny.

Anyways, that's your business. If you tell yourself that to make you sleep well at night, it's all good.

If you were putting anyone to shame, you wouldn't have deactivated in the first place out of shame.

After embarrassing yourself, you're looking for who to put to shame. Abeg.

kingxsamz:
Good thing Nairaland never forgets.
See how you were clowning.
You should be ashamed of yourself and ashamed of your lord too.
Clown.

You're making me laugh hard because you haven't got the least idea of how ironic you sound.

You had to go through the pains of digging up something that's close to a year old, which many of those directly involved including me have more or less forgotten, yet you're saying it's me this thing is really paining, Lol.

It's paining me so much that I don't have to go that far to get something from your hall of shame, as it happened only a few weeks back.

Ironically it had to do with the same topic of the the sun standing still, so just maybe my commanding of the sun to stand may have actually come to pass upon your head, as you were so damn sure the sun couldn't stand still until I exposed the extent of your foolishness and ignorance about the Truth to you own personal admission.

Today no one here can foolishly accuse the Bible falsely concerning that as you did because that settled the matter once and for all.

That should have humbled you but of course, not when you have no single drop of shame in you, as you're still going about repeating the same nonsense about the Bible being a 2000 years old book, and hence not supposed to be believed despite that such idea of yours has been trashed.

Good thing Nairaland never forgets Lol!

See how you were totally disgraced and put to shame. You hence confirmed the foolishness of atheists who are also a bunch of cowards.

Watch yourself fool and embarrass yourself and enjoy it while it lasts.

Kobojunkie:
... So, damnation(in hell) of the eternal kind is not death at all. For to be punished for eternity, one is assumed to be awake for the punishement, right?

From David, the Bible tells us that[b], what we call death, is a sleeping[/b] "So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David" 1kings 2:10.

Solomon, Rehoboam, Asa King of Judah etc

Christ Further Confirm that we die not when He Said in the Jarius Daughter's Case "Weep Not: She is not dead, but sleepeth" Luke 8:55

He Repeated it Again in the case of Lazarus. John 11:11-14

11 "These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

But would you hear what the Lord Clearly said? Whose Report would you believe? The report of yourself via your deductions or the Report of the Lord?

I wonder who shall Prevail!

Come to think of it, are ye an undeclared member of the Jws?

Kobojunkiee:
You still have your eyes closed to what is right in front of you for some reason.

Through whom did the curse of Sin and Death come on mankind? It was through Adam. Adam was the first to sin, and through Him the curse was placed on all mankind. We were condemned since then to die in our sins. That is the wages of sin that is spoken of in the Bible.

In Ezekiel 18, God swore by His name that in fact "the soul that sins will be the one to die" reaffirming that which He has penalty He had placed on human kind from the beginning.

Jesus Christ is not the bringer of death for anyone to suggest that with Him came death to anyone. On the contrary, He brought life of the eternal kind to a world that was wrought by death and lots of it too.

As for you claim that "eternal death" means "to perish". When God decreed that Adam would die and be returned to the dust from whence He came, were you of the mind that God was pronouncing some sort of temporary death on Adam and his descendants? Man was condemned to die(perish) for his sins from the beginning.

Death has always meant eternal death from the beginning. Only when Jesus Christ came into the picture did He remove the power of death over those who accept Him --- giving them eternal life. Jesus Christ came to save mankind from condemnation, not to condemn mankind. So, there is no way that Jesus Christ could have come with the promise of eternal death.

Certainly, you are JW, this was the same position maximus69 and other JWs raised up but none could sustain.

No wonder the love and desire for wishful thinking and stubbornness.

If the wishes of men changed the world, Buhari would be dead and fuel would be N1 per litre!

kingxsamz:
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meaning of your comment

Dtruthspeaker:
From David, the Bible tells us that[b], what we call death, is a sleeping[/b] "So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David" 1kings 2:10.

Solomon, Rehoboam, Asa King of Judah etc

Christ Further Confirm that we die not when He Said in the Jarius Daughter's Case "Weep Not: She is not dead, but sleepeth" Luke 8:55

He Repeated it Again in the case of Lazarus. John 11:11-14

11 "These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

But would you hear what the Lord Clearly said? Whose Report would you believe? The report of yourself via your deductions or the Report of the Lord?

I wonder who shall Prevail!

Come to think of it, are ye an undeclared member of the Jws?

so don't you hear the tales of people who died and wake again pls think before quoting bible

kingxsamz:
Lmao...
I Only responded to that lady, but didn't see the need to, so I took those posts down. So don't embarass yourself.
And yes, it's human to be afraid of death, but you don't see me waking up in the midnight shouting holy ghost fire,die die die!!! Or wearing aprons and carrying 'anointed handkerchiefs' to protect myself from death. Lmao.

Like I said, when you've died, you can now come back and tell us your experience. Not feeding us information your pastor told you in Sunday school when you were small.

pls repent been an atheist won't give you any gain because of your gain in eternity to enter heaven

Tboyfrosh123:
so don't you hear the tales of people who died and wake again pls think before quoting bible

Aha, are you of unsound mind? (Not insulting just trying to ascertain your mental state)

The issue is he is saying that people shall die and go to nothingness citing Adam in Spit and Spite of what God, Who Himself Shall Handle the Matter and not him has Expressly Said and Declared that All Who Sin Shall be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is what I am telling him, now you are talking about dying and waking up and I know that they die again and shall die again and this time they would not wake up to record that they died twice and shall never die again, so please tell me how is this connected to the Issue at hand?

Kobojunkiee:
You still have your eyes closed to what is right in front of you for some reason.

Through whom did the curse of Sin and Death come on mankind? It was through Adam. Adam was the first to sin, and through Him the curse was placed on all mankind. We were condemned since then to die in our sins. That is the wages of sin that is spoken of in the Bible.

In Ezekiel 18, God swore by His name that in fact "the soul that sins will be the one to die" reaffirming that penalty He had placed on everyone who sinned, from the beginning.

Thank you so much.

However, I still don't get why you're so fixated on Adam's sin as if sin has changed or its penalty. You seems to make it look like the penalty of sin is only applicable to Adam, even when the Bible has said that all have earned its wages. Yes, eternal life is a GIFT, not what is earn. You don't earn eternal life but death. So sir, you should know that I'm not asking you who is the first man that sinned. I know how sin came into the world.

By the way, I asked you a question earlier: what is sin?

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ is not the bringer of death for anyone to suggest that with Him came death to anyone. On the contrary, He brought life of the eternal kind to a world that was wrought by death and lots of it too.

Did anyone said that? I'm not aware of it.

All of mankind have earned the wages of sin, the only reward that everyone can rightfully lay claims to.

It was for this reason that Christ came, so that anyone who believes in Him, of course, not just to believe but keep His commandments, should not perish but have life. That is John 3:16 in essence.

Note, it says, "should not perish..." Why? Because death was imminent anyway, it was already there; automatic. So then, John 3:16 bears two opposites: 1. Eternal life 2. Death or to perish, of course, eternally.

Kobojunkiee:
Death has always meant eternal death from the beginning.

Exactly. Isn't that what we're saying? The penalty of sin still remains the same except for those who are being saved.

Kobojunkiee:
...So, there is no way that Jesus Christ could have come with the promise of eternal death.

He didn't need to. Mankind had already earned it.

Here's another way to get the message of John 3:16;

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

In all, it's either eternal life which is a gift or the wages of sin, not both. What is life and death?

Thank you.

What do you mean fear of death? Do you mean when murderous zealots are threatening my life or those who I care about? Do you mean when I am about to die naturally or by unfortunate circumstances? Which is it?

EDIT: Also what do you mean by accept Jesus Christ? Do you mean actually believe or just a profession of belief?

kingxsamz:
Lmao...
I Only responded to that lady, but didn't see the need to, so I took those posts down. So don't embarass yourself.
And yes, it's human to be afraid of death, but you don't see me waking up in the midnight shouting holy ghost fire,die die die!!! Or wearing aprons and carrying 'anointed handkerchiefs' to protect myself from death. Lmao.

Like I said, when you've died, you can now come back and tell us your experience. Not feeding us information your pastor told you in Sunday school when you were small.

I dunno why he thinks a fear of dying is some kinda albatross.

jesusjnr2020:
You're making me laugh hard because you haven't got the least idea of how ironic you sound.

You had to go through the pains of digging up something that's close to a year old, which many of those directly involved including me have more or less forgotten, yet you're saying it's me this thing is really paining, Lol.

It's paining me so much that I don't have to go that far to get something from your hall of shame, as it happened only a few weeks back.

Ironically it had to do with the same topic of the the sun standing still, so just maybe my commanding of the sun to stand may have actually come to pass upon your head, as you were so damn sure the sun couldn't stand still until I exposed the extent of your foolishness and ignorance about the Truth to you own personal admission.

Today no one here can foolishly accuse the Bible falsely concerning that as you did because that settled the matter once and for all.

That should have humbled you but of course, not when you have no single drop of shame in you, as you're still going about repeating the same nonsense about the Bible being a 2000 years old book, and hence not supposed to be believed despite that such idea of yours has been trashed.

Good thing Nairaland never forgets Lol!

See how you were totally disgraced and put to shame. You hence confirmed the foolishness of atheists who are also a bunch of cowards.

Watch yourself fool and embarrass yourself and enjoy it while it lasts.

Lmao... Wait o... So you were the owner of that moniker? no wonder. You were hiding in shame back then.
Okay.
First of all.
I only agreed because you said that part of your bible was written in 'man's perspective'. That same way we say 'Sunrise' is the same way your bible described it as 'the sun standing still', since that's what it would look like in man's perspective. But me admitting to it does not mean that the earth stopped rotating for hours as the bible claimed.
I didn't admit to your bible's rubbish claim that your imaginary god stopped the earth from rotating, thereby causing daylight for hours. It was only the English involved I admitted to.
Abi can you prove that the earth stopped rotating?
Make una dey think sometimes na.

jesusjnr2020:
You're making me laugh hard because you haven't got the least idea of how ironic you sound.

You had to go through the pains of digging up something that's close to a year old, which many of those directly involved including me have more or less forgotten, yet you're saying it's me this thing is really paining, Lol.

It's paining me so much that I don't have to go that far to get something from your hall of shame, as it happened only a few weeks back.

Ironically it had to do with the same topic of the the sun standing still, so just maybe my commanding of the sun to stand may have actually come to pass upon your head, as you were so damn sure the sun couldn't stand still until I exposed the extent of your foolishness and ignorance about the Truth to you own personal admission.

Today no one here can foolishly accuse the Bible falsely concerning that as you did because that settled the matter once and for all.

That should have humbled you but of course, not when you have no single drop of shame in you, as you're still going about repeating the same nonsense about the Bible being a 2000 years old book, and hence not supposed to be believed despite that such idea of yours has been trashed.

Good thing Nairaland never forgets Lol!

See how you were totally disgraced and put to shame. You hence confirmed the foolishness of atheists who are also a bunch of cowards.

Watch yourself fool and embarrass yourself and enjoy it while it lasts.

But wait o... You actually thought you could end atheism on Nairaland.
What sort of substance have you been on?
Read this post of yours and tell me you're not ashamed that your god failed you.
Out of frustration, shame and disgrace you brought upon yourself and your god, you had to deactivate. The shame was too much too bear.
After weeks of depression and crying yourself to sleep you now decided to continue your foolery.
Clown.

LordReed:
I dunno why he thinks a fear of dying is some kinda albatross.

Bro, the thing tire me.

Tboyfrosh123:
pls repent been an atheist won't give you any gain because of your gain in eternity to enter heaven

Thanks but I'm not interested.

kingxsamz:
Lmao... Wait o... So you were the owner of that moniker? no wonder. You were hiding in shame back then.
Okay.
First of all.
I only agreed because you said that part of your bible was written in 'man's perspective'. That same way we say 'Sunrise' is the same way your bible described it as 'the sun standing still', since that's what it would look like in man's perspective. But me admitting to it does not mean that the earth stopped rotating for hours as the bible claimed.
I didn't admit to your bible's rubbish claim that your imaginary god stopped the earth from rotating, thereby causing daylight for hours. It was only the English involved I admitted to.
Abi can you prove that the earth stopped rotating?
Make una dey think sometimes na.

kingxsamz:

But wait o... You actually thought you could end atheism on Nairaland.
What sort of substance have you been on?
Read this post of yours and tell me you're not ashamed that your god failed you.
Out of frustration, shame and disgrace you brought upon yourself and your god, you had to deactivate. The shame was too much too bear.
After weeks of depression and crying yourself to sleep you now decided to continue your foolery.
Clown.

Lol!

E no dey pain you at all, yet you're now sounding like an old record broken out of frustration, that commenting once is no longer enough for you, you have comment twice make your point.

Just a comment from me would do because e no dey pain me as e dey do you who has been caught pants down now trying desperately to come out of a hole you dug for yourself in futility.

Abeg cry me a river jare.

No need for you to explain, but let the record of your admission of guilt to your crimes of false accusation against the Bible after you were caught red-handed, speak for itself.

After I asked the sun to stand still, the same fools that often say the sun is rising and setting were saying the sun can't stand still... it's wrong to say that and we've been deceived by the Bible, until I proved the sun could stand still on your own head!

Now no fool can dare come out and say that nonsense!

Don't repent but continue to fool yourself denying and speaking against anything that concerns God who made it possible for you to be alive, for someone that fears death more than anything else, one day your cup would be full, and you wouldn't say you weren't warned.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol!

E no dey pain you at all, yet you're now sounding like an old record broken out of frustration, that commenting once is no longer enough for you, you have comment twice make your point.

Just a comment from me would do because e no dey pain me as e dey do you who has been caught pants down now trying desperately to come out of a hole you dug for yourself in futility.

Abeg cry me a river jare.

No need for you to explain, but let the record of your admission of guilt to your crimes of false accusation against the Bible after you were caught red-handed, speak for itself.

After I asked the sun to stand still, the same fools that often say the sun is rising and setting were saying the sun can't stand still... it's wrong to say that and we've been deceived by the Bible, until I proved the sun could stand still on your own head!

Now no fool can dare come out and say that nonsense!

Don't repent but continue to fool yourself denying and speaking against anything that concerns God who made it possible for you to be alive, for someone that fears death more than anything else, one day your cup would be full, and you wouldn't say you weren't warned.

Lmao.
You're frustrated, I know.
That's why you had to write this epistle.
I Didn't even bother reading the piece of crap.
This Clown really said he'd end atheism.
Maybe this time you'd drink sniper.
Don't take it too serious, it's just Nairaland.
Donate your tears somewhere else.

kingxsamz:
Lmao.
You're frustrated, I know.
That's why you had to write this epistle.
I Didn't even bother reading the piece of crap.
This Clown really said he'd end atheism.
Maybe this time you'd drink sniper.
Don't take it too serious, it's just Nairaland.
Donate your tears somewhere else.

Lol!

Shame don't catch am to make two posts for one comment. Now it's just one or do we wait for another?

Na something wey don already expire na im you still dey clutch tightly at. Maybe without am you no go fit survive lol!

Next time you carry yourself come dey foolishly falsely accuse the Bible of what you're guilty of.

Abeg carry your virus go somewhere else jor.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol!

Shame don't catch am to make two posts for one comment. Now it's just one or do we wait for another?

Na something wey don already expire na im you still dey clutch tightly at. Maybe without am you no go fit survive lol!

Next time you carry yourself come dey foolishly falsely accuse the Bible of what you're guilty of.

Abeg carry your virus go somewhere else jor.

Next time don't come here to embarass yourself and show how impotent your god is.
Coward dey call people coward.

Splinz:
However, I still don't get why you're so fixated on Adam's sin as if sin has changed or its penalty. You seems to make it look like the penalty of sin is only applicable to Adam, even when the Bible has said that all have earned its wages.

It probably seems that way to you because you are having difficulty comprehending the message that is being passed across.
I am not fixated on Adam's sin. I am instead pointing out to you where God instituted the punishment which you refer to as the "WAGES OF SIN", something you seem not to know yourself. God set the punishment for sin in motion since the beginning, meaning, from Adam, anyone who sinned, died as God described.

In the book of Ezekiel 18 (No mention of Adam's sin there), God again explains how that wage is applied and to whom it applied.

This has never been about Adam's sin, and Adam is not the only sinner the world has known since then. This has been to let you see that it was from the time of Adam that the punishment was put in place, and since then, everyone who sinned, was the one who died/perished -- i.e. returned back to dust from which he(not just his body mind you) was made from.

Splinz:
Yes, eternal life is a GIFT, not what is earn. You don't earn eternal life but death. So sir, you should know that I'm not asking you who is the first man that sinned. I know how sin came into the world.

And how does one earn death?

Splinz:
By the way, I asked you a question earlier: what is sin?

Like I said, Sin is simply disobedience of God's commandment.

Splinz:
Note, it says, "should not perish..." Why? Because death was imminent anyway, it was already there; automatic. So then, John 3:16 bears two opposites: 1. Eternal life 2. Death or to perish, of course, eternally.
Exactly. Isn't that what we're saying? The penalty of sin still remains the same except for those who are being saved.

OK, what have you been debating here again?

Splinz:
He didn't need to. Mankind had already earned it.
Here's another way to get the message of John 3:16;
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.
In all, it's either eternal life which is a gift or the wages of sin, not both. What is life and death?

You do realize that you have finally come back to agreeing with everything I said from the very starting post, which is that man was already condemned to die/perish from the time of Adam, but Jesus Christ showed up with eternal life for those who will believe in Him?

I hope you realize that you did not introduce anything new to what I said from the beginning about how those who believe but do not obey are the ones who will end in hell for eternity though?

Kobojunkiee:
And how does one earn death?

By transgressing the Law (1 John 3:4). And this is the result:

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23). Sir, I know we all know the meaning of the word, "WAGES". Every worker readily understands what it means.

Here's what Christ is saying: "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matt 7:23). So then, for this work of iniquity, the Bible says that what sinners earn, i.e, its wages- the paycheck of every worker, is death.

Kobojunkiee:
Like I said, Sin is simply disobedience of God's commandment.

Thank you.

Kobojunkiee:
I hope you realize that you did not introduce anything new to what I said from the beginning about how those who believe but do not obey are the ones who will end in hell for eternity though?

That's the crux of the matter, sir. The thing is, one either believe and obey- keep the commandments- and is called a believer/Christian/child of God etc, or not. There's no room for sitting on the fence.

As a matter of fact, what differentiates a believer from Satan and his demons is simply obedience to God. Without keeping the Law, which we've seen to be sin, then the spirit of disobedience is the one at work. And that spirit is non other than Satan (Ephesian 2:2).

So then, there's nothing like one believes and don't obey, and is still a Christian. Obedience is what sets one apart from workers of iniquities.

Now let's complete the other half of Romans 6:23, "...but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord". Again, notice that death and life are named separately, two complete opposite. Also, notice that eternal life is a gift, of course, to those who obey God.

Here's what it means. If you say that some people, or the goats will end up in hell for all eternity, obviously then, they too have eternal life. HOW? But the promise/gift of eternal life is to faithful servants of God, not to sinners. Death, not life is to sinners. Actually, it's what they (sinners) earned by their own works. So saying that God will give this everlasting life to both faithful and the unfaithful is not only an error but a grave one. Does it matter whether one spends his/hers in heaven whilst the other in hell? Eternal life is eternal life, whether in heaven or hell.

Take a look at Matthew 25:46, "And these (goats) shall go away into everlasting punishment (obviously, death): but the righteous into life eternal". Very clear distinction! Also note, it is punishment not punishing. A punishment that lasts for all eternity but does not continue forever. Big difference!

Finally, God does not promise anyone eternal life in hell. It's either eternal life or eternal death, not both. Simple. Or is life and death the same thing?

Many thanks.

kingxsamz:
Next time don't come here to embarass yourself and show how impotent your god is.
Coward dey call people coward.

You atheists are well known for your cowardice. You'd be here forming impotent God, God doesn't exist, but small thing you'd say the Lord's prayer, Lol!

You know about the courage of Christians, even little Leah Sharibu go teach you say Christians no be cowards like you.

If anyone points a gun to my head and say that I should renounce my faith and become an atheist or he takes my life, I would tell him to immediately pull the trigger because Instead of me to become not just a fool but also a coward at the same time, it's much better for me to be dead.

Your cowardice has given me another reason never become an atheist.