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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 2odd(m): 2:57pm On Oct 08, 2020
9jatriot:
That amount will be paid to him even for the 6 months or more that he has been on strike, no deduction what so ever.
At the end of his career, he will get gratuity right? after that he will be on life pension on a salary till they die. Tell me any other non government organization that you know that pays life pension. I am waiting.
I'm not understanding your point but if I may
lecturering is a not an NGO..
I think you ought to do more research on the functions of NGOs
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 2odd(m): 3:07pm On Oct 08, 2020
9jatriot:
Excess workload indeed.
This is ASU(N)'s version and I do not believe it, because the millitary also have various allowances and I believe they have been captured on IPPIS.
I am just looking at a bank like GTB tells all her staff that they should register on one platform to receive next month salary and you as a staff will start forming strike. It can't happen. If you do not like IPPIS, go and work in Shell or other private universities not here dictating for your employer.
All serious universities in the world are involved in one way or the other about COVID, these ones de form strike.




have you taken your time to peruse what the agreement is all about ??


so you expect schools without infastructure to engage in research ??
really ??
is that not what ASUU is clamoring for ??



Take AAUA for example a state uni in ondo state
students are paying up to 150k

electricity in the school is not up to 4hrs
Internet goes off with the electricity..

a lecturer doing research have to fuel the generator and buy data with his money
and just so you know
in some experiment minute fluctuations in temp renders the whole experiment null and void !!!

oh make I remind you the same lecturers are being owed salaries as well.
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by bahaushe1: 3:38pm On Oct 08, 2020
450,000NGN x 10,500 = 4.725 billion naira per month. And 56.7 billion naira per year.

Be the Judge.
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2020
Same way a bank worker in Zenith in one village has to channel his problem to head office in VI to get his issue resolved if there are challenges with his salary. So issues getting to Abuja is not the challenge.

No country that I know uses contract staff, but no other country that I know goes on more strikes than more that at least 1/6 of their career life. In most countries, when you get admitted, you know what year you will graduate. The only time calendar were disrupted was because of COVID-19, but in Nigeria, it is the number of years of your course + x, where x is equal to school closure and strikes by ASUU. So since ASUU likes free salary without considering other factors including students, then FG should explore the use of contract staff as banks and many other companies have done.

2odd:


lol
lemme give you a typical example,
when the govt paid the first two months it was owning lecturers (mar- April), a lecturer wasn't paid , didn't know why he wasn't paid ,

his complaint couldn't be rectified in his school, had to refer him to Abuja where IPPIS is being handled from.
took another month before the complaint was attended to, mind you another two months salary was paid to his colleagues.

this issue won't take days when and if handled by the individual schools bursary unit !

and there's the issue of taxation ,
most lecturer argued that the taxes deducted from their salary was much more than it ought to be...

you wanna make a complaint again ? You go reach Abuja...

on the issue of contract staffing
tell me which country is using contract staffs in their tertiary education sector
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 4:16pm On Oct 08, 2020
Agreement?? Not really, have you?

Infrastructure I always use the low hanging fruits... agriculture as example, you have land as the basic raw material, why not come up with better ways of improving yield per plot. What of computer science? How many apps are being developed from our Unis? That one you basically need a laptop with development environments installed? what is holding that one back.

Now a days, salaries do not get delayed too much compared to many years ago so that is not an excuse.
2odd:




have you taken your time to peruse what the agreement is all about ??


so you expect schools without infastructure to engage in research ??
really ??
is that not what ASUU is clamoring for ??



Take AAUA for example a state uni in ondo state
students are paying up to 150k

electricity in the school is not up to 4hrs
Internet goes off with the electricity..

a lecturer doing research have to fuel the generator and buy data with his money
and just so you know
in some experiment minute fluctuations in temp renders the whole experiment null and void !!!

oh make I remind you the same lecturers are being owed salaries as well.
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 4:18pm On Oct 08, 2020
If you work in an NGO and go on strike for 6 months, please tell me if that NGO will still pay you. After national assembly, ASUU has one of the easiest job in the country. You go to work when and if you like. Unlike teachers that have to be at school at 8am, ASUU has no such restrictions.

Your employer says I want to pay you using this our platform, employee say no we want to use our platform for YOU to pay us. My friend, any organization will tell you to get and use the platform you developed for yourself to go and pay yourself.

2odd:

I'm not understanding your point but if I may
lecturering is a not an NGO..
I think you ought to do more research on the functions of NGOs
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 2odd(m): 4:42pm On Oct 08, 2020
9jatriot:
Same way a bank worker in Zenith in one village has to channel his problem to head office in VI to get his issue resolved if there are challenges with his salary. So issues getting to Abuja is not the challenge.

No country that I know uses contract staff, but no other country that I know goes on more strikes than more that at least 1/6 of their career life. In most countries, when you get admitted, you know what year you will graduate. The only time calendar were disrupted was because of COVID-19, but in Nigeria, it is the number of years of your course + x, where x is equal to school closure and strikes by ASUU. So since ASUU likes free salary without considering other factors including students, then FG should explore the use of contract staff as banks and many other companies have done.


this your comparison is kinda funny
those other countries provide the basic infastructure needed for the smooth running of the university

just take for example Ghana budget about 23% of his expenditure on education but in Nigeria
7% or so..
and technically it won't be totally right to compare the running of a bank with the educational sector
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 2odd(m): 4:46pm On Oct 08, 2020
9jatriot:
If you work in an NGO and go on strike for 6 months, please tell me if that NGO will still pay you. After national assembly, ASUU has one of the easiest job in the country. You go to work when and if you like. Unlike teachers that have to be at school at 8am, ASUU has no such restrictions.

Your employer says I want to pay you using this our platform, employee say no we want to use our platform for YOU to pay us. My friend, any organization will tell you to get and use the platform you developed for yourself to go and pay yourself.


this comparison is somehow,
NGOs don't have unions to my knowledge,
and ASUU was established by extant laws..
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by blackpanda: 4:46pm On Oct 08, 2020
flyingpig:
Govt that means well for the future must budget more for education sector. That is the simple truth.

As against which sector?? Health?? Science and tech?? Trade and investment?? Please which sector is less important than education
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by flyingpig: 4:48pm On Oct 08, 2020
blackpanda:


As against which sector?? Health?? Science and tech?? Trade and investment?? Please which sector is less important than education
Excuse me? How much do your senators and house of reps earn including their constitutional aids earn from the federal allocation? And why can't these deductions be made from there. Continue yarning dust.

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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 2odd(m): 4:51pm On Oct 08, 2020
9jatriot:
Agreement?? Not really, have you?

Infrastructure I always use the low hanging fruits... agriculture as example, you have land as the basic raw material, why not come up with better ways of improving yield per plot. What of computer science? How many apps are being developed from our Unis? That one you basically need a laptop with development environments installed? what is holding that one back.

Now a days, salaries do not get delayed too much compared to many years ago so that is not an excuse.


bro, do you know what goes into App development ??
basic free WiFi these schools no get
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 4:54pm On Oct 08, 2020
lol... Do I know? Very funny. This is one reason ASUU is not able to achieve anything. Apps people with a simple android phone are developing is what you guys want to make to sound like rocker science.
2odd:



bro, do you know what goes into App development ??
basic free WiFi these schools no get

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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 4:56pm On Oct 08, 2020
ASUU was not employed by FG... instead, FG employed each lecturers per individual not as a group.
ASUU is just a trade union.

2odd:


this comparison is somehow,
NGOs don't have unions to my knowledge,
and ASUU was established by extant laws..
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 5:04pm On Oct 08, 2020
What basic infrastructure don't you have? REmember you said basic... Most institutions are on one kind of fund or the other. Companies now pay a 1% tax for education. TETFund and co are various funds flying around.
FG is saying, all the people we are paying now use IPPIS, ASUU should also join but ASUU says no. What do you think will happen if ASSU wins this argument, the others will begin to revolt just like SSANU wants to do now.

Anyway, PMB has said, no IPPIS no salary for ASUU so nothing to even argue about.

2odd:


this your comparison is kinda funny
those other countries provide the basic infastructure needed for the smooth running of the university

just take for example Ghana budget about 23% of his expenditure on education but in Nigeria
7% or so..
and technically it won't be totally right to compare the running of a bank with the educational sector
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 5:07pm On Oct 08, 2020
The legistrator salary is a common point of anger for all of us. That does not give ASUU an excuse to hold the life of our young ones to hostage. If ASUU is tired, they can contests for those positions.

Don 't also forget that some old ASUU members are in those houses and have done nothing to reduce the salary. Even you, if you win and enter those houses, you will not agree for the salary to be reduced either.
flyingpig:
Excuse me? How much do your senators and house of reps earn including their constitutional aids earn from the federal allocation? And why can't these deductions be made from there. Continue yarning dust.

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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by 9jatriot(m): 5:15pm On Oct 08, 2020
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2odd:



bro, do you know what goes into App development ??
basic free WiFi these schools no get
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by asunmoGGMU(m): 6:38pm On Oct 08, 2020
jolyment:


A lecturer in Nigeria is entitled to supervision allowances,excess workload allowances etc. ASUU wants these things to be in IPPIS .FG said nooooo.

Are those bonuses and allowances paid together with salary before now? No.

So, what are you trying to say?
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by asunmoGGMU(m): 6:40pm On Oct 08, 2020
Thiwalade:


Leave them alone, they do not understand that a Nigerian lecturer in a public university has excess workload. Imagine marking 1,000 scripts plus research and your family yet get paid so little. If you have at least a B.Sc and your project is capital intensive, you will understand research is not child's play. An average nigerian lecturer with at least a PhD will get employment overseas and make more money than your rathole offers. Just as doctors are leaving the country cos your govt doesn't value them, a time will come lecturers will leave your universities to you. You can employ unqualified personnel then as you wish. IF YOU WAnT A GOOD EDUCATIOn SYSTEM, InVEST In IT AnD SEE THE DIFFEREnCE.

They pay them Excess Workload allowance. What are you saying?
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by ChidiForChrist(m): 7:58pm On Oct 08, 2020
Brainless professors, substandard education.

Na dem go connive with polithiefcians dey rig elections upandan.

Criminals parading as academics...NONSENSE.

How dare you call Lectures Brainless? After calling them 'Brainless' you go back and sit inside lecture hall to be taught by who? To become what? A product of a brainless fellow? I beg to disagree with you sir!
It is FG and ASSU's fault, they should share the blames equally.
Do you know the series of training, updating, conferences that FG owes this fellows?
Is it from their salaries that they will sponsor abroad trainings? Update your FG owned schools?

Don't expose your ignorance here sir. Someone who spent more than a decade of his life studying and continues to impact is not Brainless.
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by Abiodunspectre(m): 8:30pm On Oct 08, 2020
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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by writeprof(m): 9:22pm On Oct 08, 2020
10500 professors only and you are complaining. How many are quota system/ federal character professors? You politicians just want to destroy the last hope of the common man by humiliating and silencing the intellectuals. God go catch all of you!
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by asunmoGGMU(m): 9:23pm On Oct 08, 2020
ChidiForChrist:
Brainless professors, substandard education.

Na dem go connive with polithiefcians dey rig elections upandan.

Criminals parading as academics...NONSENSE.

How dare you call Lectures Brainless? After calling them 'Brainless' you go back and sit inside lecture hall to be taught by who? To become what? A product of a brainless fellow? I beg to disagree with you sir!
It is FG and ASSU's fault, they should share the blames equally.
Do you know the series of training, updating, conferences that FG owes this fellows?
Is it from their salaries that they will sponsor abroad trainings? Update your FG owned schools?

Don't expose your ignorance here sir. Someone who spent more than a decade of his life studying and continues to impact is not Brainless.

I want to engage you on this but I really don't have strength. But let me drop this. You see, corruption has permeate every sector in Nigeria. A lot of academics in Nigeria are unqualified and got their positions only through man-know-man. How do you reconcile an academics using backdoor to get promotion? How do you reconcile academics getting promoted with articles in predatory journals? Nigeria is one of the top three countries in the world with research reports in predatory journals. Is this FG fault?

Who pays academics conference allowance? University! They've budget for all this thing being (mis)managed internally. You know what happen at this level to get the grant? Politics! Universities control this fund. Do you know how much they get for TETFUND? You ever witness their joke when it is time for audit? See, you really don't know the rot in Nigeria Ivory Tower. Only those with strong and long leg at Senate/management will get this grant.

It is 75% ASUU, if the blame were to be shared and that is enough to give them the blame. Don't get me wrong. There is no abaoluteness about this. FG has its fault. I should say more but let me mute here.

ASUU should get their act together.

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Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by blackpanda: 6:28am On Oct 09, 2020
flyingpig:
Excuse me? How much do your senators and house of reps earn including their constitutional aids earn from the federal allocation? And why can't these deductions be made from there. Continue yarning dust.

You answered your own question. because it's constitutional.
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by yusman14(m): 2:37pm On Oct 09, 2020
samsard:
I don't like politicians. But to be fair to them, that is a fair comparison. We have a population of over 150 million struggling for 1.5 million barrels of crude worth of revenue, there's no emphasizing the fact the coats need to be cut to size. Like he said, we aren't even inventing anything.
Population is not an excuse sir!..yeah we are generating an annual range of 1.5 million barrel of crude oil..but do you realize that a senator allowance is #13million naira monthly...I don't really know the work of this senator...which foolish law are they making??
Re: Bulk Of Education Budget Spent On Public Universities’ 10,500 Professors – FG by Thunday1005(m): 9:56am On Oct 20, 2020
Wealthyone:
I heard that in the news this morning. The so called professors that can't invent or innovate, always fighting for money and writing journals....shior.

What of the money Jonathan pumped in Universities? They have embezzled all.
It only journal they know how to write and remodification of existing work

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