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Subzero047:
If Akpoguma is our best defender in camp imagine when Uduokhai and Torunarigha will come in

We are drifting towards a period when all Nigerian starting 11 would be foreign born.

The NFF really needs to step up and boost football development at the local level.

Icon4s:
This was what we thought before facing England during the Pre-2018 WC friendlies.

It was God that helped us that we only lost 2:1.

In my post above I said if it was a better that jammed us nah 8-0 we go chop but the .team has immensely improve am tipping Nigeria to beat them no excuse this time around I see good players that can outplay england I mean the ability is there.

Danielnino00:
I don't think we would have lost the match 2-1 if Rohr had started with the right team in the first half..
We are so terrible and clueless in the first half until we switched to a better formation in the second half...

We could have easily gone 4 or 5:0 down in that first half.

Eizzy003:
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Very improved version
I see torun/apko or udokhai
But torun and akpo will be better coz of his right foot we cant play two left footed CB

smartsmith0907:
In my post above I said if it was a better that jammed us nah 8-0 we go chop but the .team has immensely improve am tipping Nigeria to beat them no excuse this time around I see good players that can outplay england I mean the ability is there.

Bros, we still cannot measure up with England. They are better than us.

Icon4s:
We could have easily gone 4 or 5:0 down in that first half.

Even 6-0 they have the chances that why I said south gate is clueless if am a coach with south gate players at my disposal I would have given Naija the biggest defeat of their life.

Icon4s:
Why Norway?

I like them, they have a team of young talents springing up

Icon4s:
We could have easily gone 4 or 5:0 down in that first half.

A more prolific team like France would have crushed us in that first half..
Honestly,it was a pathetic performance

Icon4s:
Bros, we still cannot measure up with England. They are better than us.

Individual quality yes I agree but when it comes of team sprit I disagree football has evolve individual quality take a cue from Aston villa the whole of Liverpool is 5 times better than them yet they showed them pepper las las nah 90 minute go judge at all nah hin bad pass.

smartsmith0907:
Individual quality yes I agree but when it comes of team sprit I disagree football has evolve individual quality take a cue from Aston villa the whole of Liverpool is 5 times better than them yet they showed them pepper las las nah 90 minute go judge at all nah hin bad pass.

Bros, individually and collectively as a team, we cannot measure up with that England team.

Icon4s:
Bros, individually and collectively as a team, we cannot measure up with that England team.

What's so special about them. Oya remove Kane and sterling who else shey nah lingard
They might be better than us individually but when it comes to team sprit I mean super eagles have an huge advantage over them

Icon4s:
We are drifting towards a period when all Nigerian starting 11 would be foreign born.

The NFF really needs to step up and boost football development at the local level.

We this trend, we will become another Algeria

smartsmith0907:
What's so special about them. Oya remove Kane and sterling who else shey nah lingard
They might be better than us individually but when it comes to team sprit I mean super eagles have an huge advantage over them

No b only huge

Dey re far better Dan us..period

Olulong:
Ndidi earns 3.9M yearly at Leicester and Partey earned 1.8M yearly at Atletico. Also the Leicester we know wouldn't sell Ndidi for 45M.


For the second paragraph, Ndidi had higher pass Accuracy than Partey last season so all the he cannot pass talk is trash

Statistics are indicative not conclusive.

Football is much more than statistics most people who understand football know this.

Unfortunately quite a few different people here do not appreciate this, Key board football coaches.

do4luv14:
Bros you must understand, a mildfielder, can always play in any position in the mildfield, cos his main position can either be, Dm, Cdm, or Am,

its easy for a Dm to transite to CDM, or CM, from there to AM, and SS, and thats Partey,

but a defender. To Dm, will not be easy to transit to CDM/Cm, thats NDIDI

Straight to the point, agreed.

Football is not a straight jacket sport, the best players are versatile.

junnyjake:
How are we expected to judge a player then.

A player is invited because of his club form, he comes to the national team and our style of play don't fit him, and, hence, he flops terribly, it's whose fault then.

Be sincere, did his performance at the afcon fill you up with confidence?

Agreed without reservation.

When you invite a player you invite him because of his established attributes. You then bring him in and don't play to his strengths.

Just like what Brendan did to Benteke.

We have a problem in the SE our wingers and Wing backs don't seem to want cross the ball, when you have Onuachu a man mountain in the box.

It simply makes no sense.

cheche35:
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He looks very young and so he is still good potential for the future.

mostob:
You have to consider team chemistry before choosing your team. Onuachu cannot thrive with Kalu and Samu flanking him. UNLESS Rohr wanna go the liverpool way by instructing both FBs to overlap and whip in crosses.

Effectively you are saying that Chukwueze and Kalu cannot cross balls proficiently.

Do you think thats acceptable for a modern day footballer in today's expectations in football.

Samueltemi337:
The rohr that I know will start Iheanacho

He better recall Ighalo.

komekn:
He better recall Ighalo.

abf striker that don't even know the location of the goalpost. With Osimhen, nacho and desser, we are good to go. Finito

Icon4s:
We are drifting towards a period when all Nigerian starting 11 would be foreign born.

The NFF really needs to step up and boost football development at the local level.

1. Foitball Academies
2. Private investors league starting in november
3. Nff/futures under15 and various youth competitions

Will keep producing players.
Also the new sports minister (Sunday dare) is determined ti improve our local league and football. All rhesw thungs are working. In fact i can assure you that right niw foreugn born players will fi d it difficult in the striker and wingers pisition. Nentake Dembele (an academy player) is the next big thing in our football.
Its just the local league that needs improvement and it will be done.
Barcelina has a football league in Nigeria and it is pioneered by a Nigerian in partnership wirh Barcelona. The foreign born thing is just a passing phase.
Ordunary olakunle olusegun and Samson Tijani if the u17 are on the way to big things. There is a silent revolution going on. Have you heard if Vandrezzer which is a local club run like a private league.
The silent revolution will stop thus trend. The problem is foreign born fans are making too much noise.

IDENNAA:
Yes , he started off as an AM at Chile 2015 and Onega was his DM. Nwakali can also play CM , SS , RW and even DM.

This is incomprehensible and delusional misguided Balderdash.

How can anyone with a good dose of common sense be using U17 youth football perfomance of 5 years ago.

As a basis to justify, assess and or measure competence for the senior national team of a nation.

A player who has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of substance in the past five years.

Icon79:
Yup. Apparently, Austria doesn’t recognize dual citizenship.


O pari

Kind of puts David Alaba in another perspective.

komekn:
He better recall Ighalo.

abeg talk better thing. We are moving forward but you want to drag us back.

Philosopher1979:
Nwakali needs regular football for a season and then we can start rating him. Lets wait till January and see what he will do. He is good but needs to prove it in la liga

Whithout prejudice what makes him good please ❓ ❓

lloydtruth:
For once somebody rated Awaziem. I wonder why we don't rate him here, he's actually better than most of the names been mentioned here for CB position, especially Ajayi.

Awaziem is a low quality CB and a very makeshift RB, after two seasons in better leagues he ends up at the back end of the Portuguese league.

His parent club does not rate him.

fabyom:
Tammy not playing shows Southgate really rate him.

All those on the field for England are just training materials.

The real guys will play the Euro qualifiers.

Tammy and Sancho are being punished for breaking covid-19 protocols

TheSuperNerd:
This is exactly the argument that was next in line after Partey joined Arsenal. With the number of Arsenal fans on this thread, it was inevitable that the Partey-Ndidi comparison was gonna arise again.

But I was ready. And I kept enough receipts for an attempt at a balanced analysis.


Number 1: A Fallacy - Partey is a better player than Ndidi.

I am sorry, Partey is not a better player than Ndidi. And the Stats ratings shown below (apart from how long I have watched and seen both players) from whoscored for the past four seasons support this stance.

Partey is majorly a CM with much versatile qualities but that doesn't make him better. He is a CM afterall. And his passing accuracy is expectedly meant to be higher than that of DM in Ndidi (unless the DM in question is a Regista/DLP).

Ndidi is a DM. Also referred as a CDM (central defensive midfielder) whose role is basically to sit at the Midfield's base as the team's midfield Anchorman. Partey's role is a little different. He is a CM with the licence and abilities to get forward as he wills like a Box-to-box kind.

If there is anyone in the Super Eagles fold to compare partey directly to it would be Joe Aribo. Both are very similar kind of players and can play DM, CM and AM but are basically CMs with box-to-box qualities.

In their roles, both are World class performers but I can tell you for free that while Partey has been quite rated for a while due to his constant appearance in the UCL with Atletico Madrid, it is Ndidi who has been showing better improvements in the past two seasons compared to Partey (My next fallacy point will address one of the improvement areas - Passing).

Also, in Defensive actions alone, Partey has very decent numbers but he is no where close to the monstrosity of Ndidi's numbers in defensive actions. Ndidi led the whole of Europe (or was in top2/top3 on a few) in several defensive action stats and some others from Tackling, to interceptions per 90, to blocks, to counter pressures, to counter pressures turned immediately into an attack and more. So the comment that Partey does all that Ndidi does and more is fallacious. Partey only does it to a certain percentage but Ndidi does it at World class levels. That is the big difference. Partey only passes more, is more forward playing and that is it. He is a Bloody CM Naa.


Now on this point, the summary is this...VERSATILITY DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN BETTER. Afterall, if it is otherwise and Versatility always mean better then Etebo can also be said to be much better than both Partey and Ndidi. Etebo also gives prpgressive passes forward and his numbers at Gala are already racking up strongly. At the WC, Etebo has more take ons in one game against the WC finalists, Croatia than any other midfielder. Can Partey dream of such? Etebo's tackles rate is also up there... His interceptions game is also good and none of these two guys touch him on take-ons. Does that make him better? Versatility doesn't always mean better my good folks.

Bonus: Even as controversial as EA sports ratings can be sometimes, Ndidi has caught up with Partey as both players are now given the same Overall rating with 84 each.

In FIFA 19, Partey was 82. Ndidi was 81. In FIFA 20, partey was 84. Ndidi came up to 84 also. In FIFA 21, both remain on 84 with Ndidi having a potential cap of 88. Partey's 87.







Number 2: The passing stats. Partey or Ndidi. Who passes better?

On the overall, like I stated above, Partey is expected to having the better passing stats. And the whoscored ratings below prove that Partey has been the better ball passer in terms of Passing accuracy.

Even when I break the passing stats further down using Squawka stats matrix, you will find that Partey still edges it overall. Partey is definitely the more progressive passer of the two. No debates on that one.

But I have to point out something. Partey have always beaten Ndidi when it comes to Passing accuracy and for me, that is no surprise seeing as both are slightly different breeds of midfielders with actually different roles BUT JUST LAST SEASON, NDIDI HAD THE BETTER PASSING ACCURACY compared to Partey. Now that is shocking and true.

This again supports my statement that between the two, Ndidi is the one who has shown better improvements geometrically. "Out-passing" a ball-playing CM while still in your DM role (and you are no bloody Regista) mehn, that is something to take note of and keep a serious eye on. Ndidi's passing game has definitely made a quantum leap under Rodgers at Leicester in the past one year plus and the argument of Partey being a better passer will only hold now based on their previous seasons before 2019/2020.

With that said, Partey still made more passes in the Opposition half last season (770 in all) compared to Ndidi's 692.
In their own half, Ndidi made more (729) compared to Partey's 600.
Last season also, Partey delivered more throughballs (6) into the final third compared to Ndidi's 2.


So yes, Partey is the more progressive passer of the two but Ndidi has shown improvements in those progressing passing stats too as his numbers tell.

But when it comes to overall passing accuracy, Ndidi edged Partey for the first time, last season. That shows Ndidi really made crazy improvement in his passing game.




Number 3: The final point. Ndidi's Worth and Partey's Worth

You guys should be honest. If Ndidi had a release clause set at maybe 50M pounds, do you think some big club would not have come asking strong questions about the Midfield Anchorman?

But as it stands, there is no release clause on Ndidi so he could cost even higher. He has "a little arguably" been the Best DM in the EPL for the past three seasons and since his debut in the 2016/2017 campaign (from January 2017 even) he has been racking up numbers that only scream World class in that DM role. Numbers that absolutely define that DM role. So how much do you think he is gonna cost? Remember he is not coming from another league... He has been racking up those numbers in England. So that makes him even more valuable on the market for EPL clubs.


Partey had a release clause and to be honest, has Arsenal gotten Hossem Aouar, they won't have bothered with Partey this window. That is the truth. Arsenal fans in the house know this is true. Arsenal only went to activate Partey's clause that late b'cos they finally saw that they won't be getting Aouar this window. So they went for the guy they always considered their next midfield priority after Aouar.

If Arsenal wanted Partey that badly, why didn't they activate the clause a little sooner? Why wait till deadline day? It is b'cos Aouar was their top priority and not Partey. And 45M for Partey to make up on missing out on Aouar was a fair price to pay for the board to make to appease Arsenal fans and to make Mikel Arteta much happier with his current squad going forward.

If Andrewbaba44 can recall, I made a prediction on Leicester's next transfer big money sale some time ago before 2019/2020 season began or so... I mentioned Ben Chillwell, Maddison and Ndidi as the next guys that will bring in Huge cash for Leicester in the coming seasons.

So far so good, Chillwell has brought in 50M pounds for Leicester. Just like I predicted and we all know Ndidi will cost a little more than Chillwell. I understand Chillwell is English and has that "English factor" going for him hence his price tag but Ndidi has been the man in the EPL with crazy DM numbers and the whole of England knows that. So there is absolutely no way he won't go for more than his Transfermrkt.com value price currently put at 45M euros.

Ndidi will easily cost more than Partey. He is younger. And also a world class performer. So that is it.


In conclusion, Arsenal got a really fine player in Partey. And I say Congratulations... But I won't accept the fallacy that he is a much better player than Ndidi when Whoscored and even Sofascore say otherwise three times out of the past four seasons.

Good day to you all.

You broke it down really well bro. Triple dose for you.

This should put a full stop to the argument now.

But in case anyone still tries to oppose...

Thunder are you ready?

komekn:
Effectively you are saying that Chukwueze and Kalu cannot cross balls proficiently.

Do you think thats acceptable for a modern day footballer in today's expectations in football.

its not that they cant cross proficiently, more like we dont do lotta crossings.... Chuks is like robben, kalu(remember his brilliance againt ukraine) ejuke also like a right footed robben, we need and have got in osihmen, a fast and deadly striker and that is our style... Onuachu is just another Benteke scenario playing out...

Subzero047:
Rohr on Onuachu :

'We can't change our style because of him, he has to adapt to our style. We don't have to play long balls, we have our style'

Then what on earth was Onuachu invited to the team for to cheer lead.

That's just poor, poor recruitment and decision making.

IMO opinion Algeria are technically superior to us. However, we may have the advantage in terms of athleticism ( pace and strength) without any quality strikers and limitations in our midfield.

We may struggle to control the game and dominate possession in comparison to Algeria.

That means having a target man like Onuachu gives us options because Mahrez, Benrhama and others will run circles around us.

So we dispens with trying to dominate the midfield and use the speed of counter attacks and and good hold up play. Something Onuachu can do very well.

KC has zero hold up play and has no physical presence to trouble any decent defence.

Our attack without Ighalo and Osimhen is in need of an overdose of viagra it's very impotent.

komekn:
Then what on earth did you invite to the team for to cheer lead.

That's just poor, poor recruitment and decision making.

IMO opinion Algeria are technically superior to us. However, we may the advantage in terms of athleticism without any quality strikers and limitations in our midfield.

We may struggle to control the game and dominate possession.

That means having a target man like Onuachu gives us options because Mahrez, Benrhama and others will run circles around us.

So we dispens with trying to dominate the midfield and use the speed of counter attacks and out hols up play.

KC has zero hold up play and has no physical presence to trouble any decent defence.

What are you saying?

Norway are eliminated from Euro 2021 contention. This is the same Norway that some folks in here said we should fear because of boy wonder from Dortmund and Elyon...I cant even spell his name