JustCryptos:


When I asked the difference between the two, he said in the first one they'll dress the plaster and plum it to be level. This won't be done in the second case. I can't wrap my head around plastering a house and not making sure it's level.

bixton:




You can keep up with your graphic curve.
Probably you'll get a foreign acceptable vaccine from 2023.....if it's even possible.

JustCryptos:
Guys please, I need help.

The engineer on my project sent this as a quote for plastering a 3 bedroom flat (all ensuite) with a visitor's toilet.

Labour
Ranging plastering
Inside plastering is #120,000. Outside plastering is #90,000. Windows dressing is #45,000.

Not Ranging plastering
To plaster all the houses is #170,000. Inside and outside. No window dressing.

Materials
Two trips of gum sand and two trips trips of shape sand and 110 bags of cement.

When I asked the difference between the two, he said in the first one they'll dress the plaster and plum it to be level. This won't be done in the second case. I can't wrap my head around plastering a house and not making sure it's level.

Secondly, I thought plastering a room takes 3 bags of cement? I did my calculations with 4 bags to be on the safe side. However, the engineer is saying each room of around 3.6*3.6m will take 5 bags using ranging method.

Experts please what's your take on this?
CnC n3xt, spyder880, saydfact, lastpage, rotecch77

AngelicBeing:
Chai, "No contractor and Oga bricklayer" should apply, nawao, Abeg, soft pedal na, make boys apply to see money chop semovita and Efo riro and bokoto

omanzo02:


The guy stylishly exempted the ogas like
Spyder 880
Rotecch77
DennisD
n3xt
etc
From applying

JustCryptos:
Guys please, I need help.

The engineer on my project sent this as a quote for plastering a 3 bedroom flat (all ensuite) with a visitor's toilet.

Labour
Ranging plastering
Inside plastering is #120,000. Outside plastering is #90,000. Windows dressing is #45,000.

Not Ranging plastering
To plaster all the houses is #170,000. Inside and outside. No window dressing.

Materials
Two trips of gum sand and two trips trips of shape sand and 110 bags of cement.

When I asked the difference between the two, he said in the first one they'll dress the plaster and plum it to be level. This won't be done in the second case. I can't wrap my head around plastering a house and not making sure it's level.

Secondly, I thought plastering a room takes 3 bags of cement? I did my calculations with 4 bags to be on the safe side. However, the engineer is saying each room of around 3.6*3.6m will take 5 bags using ranging method.

Experts please what's your take on this?
CnC n3xt, spyder880, saydfact, lastpage, rotecch77

bixton:



Except I'm mistaken the term he ought to use is "guage plastering and range plastering".

Most people take quoted and end up doing the second one.

As to the number of bags of cement....if your already formed wall is not aligned you'll use more bags of cement to bring to level. The other one is the mix ratio he intends to use per room to give a satisfactory job.

spyder880:


Well, there might be buildings where the owners are not interested in best practices and might want to cut construction costs as much as possible, he can employ some workers who won't use the modern tools to get the best of levels. Such jobs include walls of motor parks, low level rental units in low paying houses, etc.

rotecch77:


Let me just put it in a simple and straight manner
That you will understand.

To get good well leveled wall with details supervision coupled with final good looking finishing wall
Then ready to pay more.
A lot of technical explanations on this.
But that is what the guy means on the 1st quote

Second quote means regular average work.

rotecch77:


Let me just put it in a simple and straight manner
That you will understand.

To get good well leveled wall with details supervision coupled with final good looking finishing wall
Then ready to pay more.
A lot of technical explanations on this.
But that is what the guy means on the 1st quote

Second quote means regular average work.

Four yet-to-be-identified persons lost their lives on Sunday when a three-storey building collapsed in the Obalende area of Lagos Island, Lagos State.

The PUNCH gathered that eight other persons were injured.

The General Manager, Lagos State Emergency Management Agency, Olufemi Oke-Osanyintolu, confirmed the incident.

He noted that the affected three-storey building located at 62, Odo Street, Obalende, Lagos Island, was under construction when it collapsed.

He said, “Upon arrival at the incident scene, a three-storey building under construction was discovered to have self-collapsed.”

The cause of the collapse is yet to be ascertained, but efforts are presently ongoing by LASEMA and other responders towards salvaging the situation.

“As of 05:40pm, a total of eight people (all males) have been extricated alive by the LASEMA Response Team and other stakeholders, and have been attended and quickly transferred to the hospital by LASEMA paramedics for further medical attention at Lagos Island General Hospital.

“Four persons (three males and one female) have so far been recovered dead and handed over to SEHMU at the incident scene.”

He added that the recovery operation is still ongoing.

rotecch77:


Not all job fit professionals.

edoman2016:
Enforcement of the law on estate developers will be difficult because most residents sign to pay service charge in their agreement after land purchase. Infact, haven't you noticed that most estate developers issue deed of sub-lease rather than the usual deed of assignment to their residents. It is deliberate. It means they still have control over the ownership of the land in perpetuity their supposed estate residents thought they have purchased. Buying land from private estate in Nigeria is a scam.

vickzie:
in a block of flats apartment with a gate man, who pays the gateman, landlord or tenants?

JustCryptos:


Thanks. It's clearer now. So the quotation is in order?

omanzo02:

But all money fit professionals? Lol

n3xt:


Hmmm! This is valid but...

In as much as the industry do not care so much about enforcing best practices and investors/homeowners do not have x-ray vision to know the difference between a versatile and a cowboy engineer-contractor. I think it’s safe to say construction work shouldn’t be rushed

Why?

The following are loads acting on the beams/slabs:

1. Self weight
2. Construction load
3. Weight of upper floor (from props)

For most developers, they play with spans of the slab to achieve fast projects (that’s why you see them build compact houses). When the span get larger, the self weight portion will start governing and this will require higher number of days of propping for the concrete to achieve maximum strength.

Propping might fix slabs and other horizontal structural members but what happens to the most victimized vertical member (the column) if it did not attain maximum strength before imposing loads.
Improper curing is one of the major reasons for concrete failures in columns, beams, slabs and a major cause of visible cracks in most house.

So instead of making people to assume it’s safe to build a house within 30 days, I think professional builders should caution homeowners and investors who want to tow that path to allow more time for their project.

______
LASBCA/LSMTL cares so much about cube tests which is fine but doesn’t guarantee safe construction if the builder failed to consider the significance of concrete curing for the durability of the structure.

______
Unfortunately all the association and bodies that are supposed to enforce best practices only care about generating revenue from stamping and affixing seals on drawings. They don’t care about what happen on project site. ARCON, COREN, NIOB, NIA, etc.

Yet we blame SARS

n3xt:



Yesterday, I shared this and I was made to understand that there are water-reducing admixtures, retardants and accelerators to speed up curing process.

I guess the builder of the failed structure at Obalende don’t know much about this or he’s unsure of where to get the original admixtures in Lagos building market.

Some few weeks ago, my learned Oga said something about concrete mix design and it seems like “Wetin dey specially? Just use 1:2:4 Add waterproof cement. Don’t remove props. Use bricklayers from Cotonou.”

Na hin we dey see so o.

An extra days, weeks or even months added to projects would do more good than harm.

Mic off!

bixton:




The work of the gateman is strictly at the gate and by extension move around the external surrounding within the compound.


Why do Nigerians prefer their gateman to do the bolded.....

michlins:
what did you buy 18,000 last week that's still same price till date.

EgunMogaji2:


We don’t know what caused the collapse yet.

EgunMogaji2:


You this man

n3xt:


It’s no rocket science baba. I believe it’s not seismic sha or controlled demolition/implosion abi aransi/asaasi.

People are working on the site when it happened.

In an unregulated industry, the root cause of such failure always miss everybody because they knew it’ll bounce back on the regulatory bodies/inspectors.
That’s why you’ll see LASEMA first on the site and not NIOB, LASBCA, LSMTL.

Let’s wait for the professionals to determine the cause

omanzo02:
Just wondering why are these type of iron rod mats not being used for decking and concrete work in Nigeria? They are readily available for installation, cost less time and work to install.

JustCryptos:


Thanks for your contribution
@bolded, what's the difference?
On average, how many bags of cement should be used for a 3.6*3.6 room?

Also, I don't get the logic behind using sharp sand instead of plastering sand.

omanzo02:


The guy stylishly exempted the ogas like
Spyder 880
Rotecch77
DennisD
n3xt
etc
From applying

EgunMogaji2:


There’s been heavy rains. Could be foundation issues and not illegal aliens

Just saying

smallsmall:


You are very correct, inflation is one the rise but l dont understand why your own is #2,000 increase/Week!
Some Nigerians ehn, they can pretend like Osama bin Laden when they want something

n3xt:
I’m not well o Nobody should quote me.

By the way, where’s Badger14

smallsmall:


I dont know.
Aside that, the Kiosk is also used for selling all sorts of items, attracting the wrong crod to the front of the house.
Why is it so difficult to even open gate by ourself sef?
Use motorised gate if you dont want to come down and open your Gate.
Umaru is going back to Katsina, from tomorrow.

NB: Please dont quote me again, l am not a gateman and l have running stomach already.