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ImmaculateJOE:
If ASUU, NASU & SSANU cannot accept IPPIS then let the strike continue till eternity...

IPPIS is a smart way of paying salaries and it is actually good for tranpaeency governance. Every sensible person should endorse and support it..

But eh, Buhari is still a disaster oh.. In fact IPPIS was introduced around 2007 before them BMCs will start claiming nonsense...

IPPIS is good but should capture university peculiarities.

jericco1:
This is an insult to the FG.
Imagine workers dictating to their employers how they want to be renumerated

This is what the Nigerian law say:

"The Universities (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Act 2003 (otherwise called the Universities Autonomy Act No. 1, 2007) enacted by the National Assembly and signed into law on 10th July 2003 and later gazetted by the Federal Republic of Nigerian Official Gazette No. 10, Volume 94 of 12th January 2007 as Act No. 1 of 2000, has vested the powers of managing personnel and payroll system issues in the hands of each university’s governing council".

Coronavirus84:
Lecturers are too greedy and stupid for dictating for the federal government to accept their UTAS platform. Where in the whole world will an employee dictate for his employer on how to pay him? Awon Oloriburuku lecturers everywhere increasing the years of students just because of their selfish interest

This is what the Nigerian law say:

"The Universities (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Act 2003 (otherwise called the Universities Autonomy Act No. 1, 2007) enacted by the National Assembly and signed into law on 10th July 2003 and later gazetted by the Federal Republic of Nigerian Official Gazette No. 10, Volume 94 of 12th January 2007 as Act No. 1 of 2000, has vested the powers of managing personnel and payroll system issues in the hands of each university’s governing council".

ILoveDemMANNA:
JOIN IPPIS or forfeit your salaries.
Enough of Ghost workers in Nigeria.
Enough of monkey dey work, Baboon dey chop.
Corruption has become a normal way of life to them....professors for that matter.

IPPIS is very good but didn't capture university peculiarities.

LoveThemChubby:
Government wants to use this people to spoil ASUU plan. By the time they come up with theirs the government will say it cannot have multiple payment platforms at which point it will be very reasonable.

They will remain on IPPIS or be migrated to UTAS.

21cents:
LOL. funny. only in Nigeria will a federal government worker be dictating how he wants to be paid to the government.

Seriously only in Nigeria...

Naughtysite:
NANS and all the SUGs of federal universities should start an #EndASUU campaign.

All university workers should report directly to FG like employees of banks and companies do.

Any unreasonable stranglehold that is stopping Nigeria from moving forward should be broken.

Go and educate yourself concerning university establishment acts, after which, I'm sure you will come back to delete this post.

zicoy6k:
BTW, are you sure you are a student judging by the way you talk?

yes, a frustrated one

Ebenezar2021:
[s][/s] you this useless ASUU asslicker, you better tell your people to open up schools and get their lazy asses back to work before we students turn violent and wreck your homes and destroy your lives and properties

you're very free sir.

Sonnobax15:
. make una no worry.....FG no go only use am tay pay una but also use am tay shock una....
I've never seen people as selfish and greedy as these bunch of old incompetent men working under this platform of ASUU.

..yeah fala, ASUU is always comparing itself wit politician & infact; wants to earn even much more & thus yearly striking outta dia greeds-at the expence of students basic right

Ebenezar2021:
yes, a frustrated one

I'm sorry you feel this way. I hope everything is resolved soon. I have siblings and close relatives who are being affected.

Besides ASUU, many Agencies of the federal government rejected IPPIS as a mode of Salary payment. The likes of NNPC, CBN, DPR, PPRA, PEF, PTI, NNRA, Nigeria Army, INEC etc.

They insisted that they have laudable and robust payroll system and that their peculiar Salary parameters would not fit into the proposed IPPIS. Today these agencies are comfortably left out of IPPIS trap. Prof IK Abdulsalam BUK

jolyment:
Besides ASUU, many Agencies of the federal government rejected IPPIS as a mode of Salary payment. The likes of NNPC, CBN, DPR, PPRA, PEF, PTI, NNRA, Nigeria Army, INEC etc.

They insisted that they have laudable and robust payroll system and that their peculiar Salary parameters would not fit into the proposed IPPIS. Today these agencies are comfortably left out of IPPIS trap. Prof IK Abdulsalam BUK

lie..

ejibaba:
First, the IPPIS platform doesn't capture the allowances of the non-academic staff. Like for the technologists, hazard allowance, and earned allowance for others.

The accountant general said the agreed payment of this allowances with the unions was not documented with salary and wages commission and they will not pay until that is done. Well, the union showed agreement signed, AG refused. So this is a tactical approach to reduce their salary and reneged on the agreement of 2009. If FG says the content of the agreement should have been gazetted or documented with the salary and wages commission, why is ASUU not going through that process? They could even give the FG a deadline to ensure these payments are recognized and thus added to IPPIS, rather than throwing away the baby with the bath water.

Next, academics rejected the platform on the following reasons:
1. It is against the university autonomy act, which places the issue of renumeration on the university council not a central body because it was formerly with NUC. This is international standard. Also, they said no more visiting lecturers or sabbaticals, and external supervisors allowance. That institutions should use their IGR to make those payments invariably they are pushing for raise in school fees & sundry expenses. For example, imagine being asked to pay 200k to invite external supervisor to come evaluate undergraduate project, 500k for masters and 1m for PhD because they must do that before one graduates. Universities have always made use of GIFMIS for payments. They prepare the payroll and send to GIFMIS which deducts their accounts and credits whoever they put in. The major difference now is that IPPIS being a platform majorly for salaries will "validate" the content of whatever payroll you send to it. It will validate the authencity of the employee, the allowances to the paid etc. If university governing councils were already making use of an FG platform (GIFMIS) for payments before IPPIS, it rules out the point that it takes their autonomy away. Each university will still compute their payroll under IPPIS...i.e. to accommodate resignations etc. The only difference is that if your Payroll does not align with what's on IPPIS the payment will not go through.

2. The payment platform doesn't allow for a convenient tax system that academics enjoy previously rather tax is on gross pay.

3. The payment system makes it difficult for the university to handle payment for timely research activities, as it will be required for them to prepare memos that will have to first go to accountant general office for approvals before payment can be made. So exchange programs suffers timely response from the university. FG has different platforms and we are confusing / mixing issues. The platform being used before now is an FG platform called GIFMIS. The introduction of IPPIS doesn't mean GIFMIS will no longer be used. However, it will be restricted to payments for capital expenditure and operational expenses to vendors or third parties...that remains.

4. The payment system is faulted with several shortcomings such as underpayment, overpayment,over deductions etc. These can be fixed by getting the said allowances approved by the salaries and wages commission. I'm not sure who is meant to kick off these conversations with the said commission, but why is ASUU not exploring the route of pressuring the FG into following this due process it has laid out?

5. The payment system support corruption as names are being added in Abuja to universities payroll without any documentation in the university. This is doubtful as each MDA still prepares their payroll on a MoM and submits to IPPIS. IPPIS only makes payment as communicated by the MDA...however, even if this is true, an audit will reveal...ASUU can/should press for this audit as part of checks and balances.

There's more but I will stop here!!! However, there are more to this issues also beyond just the payment system.

I believe you are someone close to ASUU or involved in that system. If you're obliged to discuss objectively, I'd like see your response to the above points which is from my perspective as an outsider looking in.

21cents:
lie..

Partly true actually. https://newsdigest.ng/business/2019/12/04/nnpc-are-not-ippis/

Many MDAs that are revenue generating are not on IPPIS which is even fine. The thinking from the article linked is they do not draw from the FG account, rather they generate revenues, deduct their expenses (i.e. salaries and ops expenses) and remit the remainder to the FG account.

This is completely different from what ASUU is trying to imply. FG Universities are a cost center, so ASUU can't expect to be treated differently from other MDAs that are cost centers to the FG.

Them never ready


Employ all these young graduates ready to work for half the pay

Iolo:
I believe you are someone close to ASUU or involved in that system. If you're obliged to discuss objectively, I'd like see your response to the above points which is from my perspective as an outsider looking in.

First, your responses does not show you are an outsider, however, I'm willing for the objective discuss though to further clarify certain issues you raised.

Second, you aviod the second issue I raised on tax variations? Or you think it's not enough to reject the system? For your information sir, the previous tax system often times takes cognisant of teaching environment. How can I be paying same tax with someone in urban setting or what motivation do I have to leave my established university in an urban to a school in rural setting considering all off checks are the same??

Third, why should it be ASUU duty to drag the gazette of an the agreement? Why is it an issue now?

Fourth, if IPPIS is truly for salaries, why are they dictating to universities, whether to have visiting lecturers, sabbaticals and contract staff? Why? I don't know your definition of autonomy but mine is...verify whether the person exists, confirm if the person deserves to be paid but it's takes away my autonomy when you dictate to me that I should not have visiting, contract staff since you don't know what value they are to my institution.

Fifth, recruitment in the university system most especially when accreditation is approaching is usually fast and this may suffer given the time phase it will take IPPIS to capture a person for payment. I believe you know as an insider how corrupt you people in IPPIS are, most especially when invited to come for capturing and the corrupt demands that follows.

Sixth, I think it is also wrong for you to refer to payment of salaries and allowances to senior researchers as: payments for capital expenditure and operational expenses to vendors or third parties...that remains


Seven, I want to ask again that you pls, state you view on this disadvantage of this system that I pointed out that you delibrately avoided: The payment platform doesn't allow for a convenient tax system that academics enjoy previously rather tax is on gross pay.[color=#990000][/color]

Thank you. I await your response.

Rgade:
Only in Nigeria will the federal government withhold her worker's pay for several months.

For your information, they are being owed only September salary. I have someone in there.

21cents:
lie..

Go and verify

sinkhole:
But why did you just focus on ASUU alone, is it that your mind is already conditioned to always accuse ASUU of everything?
The focus of the report is not on ASUU rather it is on NASU and SSANU who are the other unions in the Universities who are also not happy with IPPIS because of denied allowances!
The NASU and SSANU are behaving like a leper, who can not squeeze a milk but can throw away the milk. They are giving government an edge by not cooperating with ASUU on UTAS!

What is actually wrong with the govt Ippis cos it comes across to like ASUU has a racket they are bend on covering up. If not, how can u dictate to ur employer how to be paid? Not logical pls

amerengues:
Hmm

We argue to gain more enlightenment and if in the process, we encounter superior arguments, we should accept it.

You made a valid point by referring to the ghost workers issue- we don’t want ghost workers that sap our resources struggling to go round.

ASUU went on strike before pandemic thus it wasn’t in the midst of pandemic; It wasn’t because of IPPIS that they started the strike; This same government agreed at a time that they are willing to looking into the alternative ASUU will present which is UTAS since it accommodates most of the peculiarities IPPIS is devoid of

eg Adjunct lecturers (Hardly will you see any department/faculty with adjunct Lecturers from the industry). An engineering faculty with a course on Engineering law (just an illustration)may borrow lecturers. Also, those presently on IPPIS in other ministry have started complaining of the irregularities because I have a colleague who complained recently.

To rectify issues, you might need to travel to Abuja (Security, finance, stress, not meeting them on seat and telling you to come tomorrow), why hasn’t the Government decentralized this IPPIS. A friend has been advised to travel to Abuja recently.

We are quick to forget that this strike is premised on the follow up on previous agreement the government has successfully renegaded on without no commitment to do anything significant. IPPIS main issue came up when the stopped salary in which strike was on before the focus shifted to IPPIS.

Again, I ask, students have never supported revitalization and adequate funding and we are quick to condemn some persons who wants that. Government really fears the students’ protest but unfortunately they don’t protest for better education or support the struggle since we all want to quickly graduate. Those schools abroad get huge fundings for education. If you perceive that there is a misappropriation in university system, why not wade in and be in charge of fixing the infrastructure and revitalization fee and leave the school administrators out of the process- come and build and innovative rickety libraries.

Remember that anything Government is continuous and not only must you fulfill the promises but build on it. Again, this struggle was before so many of us are born, why are we still in this state. Please kindly do your research on how much Graduate assistants and Assistant lecturers earn.

Recently, they retain best students to lecture but after seeing how decayed the system is coupled will a paltry salary of 105k for some school lecturers, they accept offers from universities abroad and the system weakens further. Government only focuses on the propaganda of 10,000 lecturers as Prof whereas the bulk are in the very lower cadre who will print, publish articles, fix their offices with their money especially for those who could never sell handouts as a university rule. They are left with only meager salaries. I will stop here.


However, the challenge with ASUU is their penchant for shouldering all the requests needed for school revitalization. If ASUU focuses on the welfare of the members alone (which in hard fact, not possible though since university structures and infrastructure isn’t alien to ASUU’ operations), the strike won’t be incessant. If the students and parents don’t ask for better education, leave them to it. You can’t be fighting for people who don’t understand you.

If any ASUU member is found erring for misappropriation , prosecute them instantly but we forget that ASUU is academic and not always at the helm of affairs of most administrative activities of some universities and how some of it sef is being used are not even known to them. ASUU isn’t asking for increase in the poor salaries as highlighted. Till now no minimum wage has been paid.

All we want is a balanced view. So pathetic that this struggle has been on for ages. If only, if only they fix it once, Government would be able to brag one day.

Note: ASUU isn’t asking for salary increase despite meager salary.

ASUU hasn’t been paid #1 out of the audio minimum wage

The bulk of lecturers are in the lower cadre hence only few could attempt teaching somewhere else. Don’t be driven by propaganda

Note that most of the students will loose studentship if their schools looses accreditation due to shortage of having some senior lecturers (Gradual plans to recruit is feasible)

Note that there are condemned to poor salary structure after so many degrees yet no increment- it is as bad as 3,000-4000 annual increment in some institutions.

Before you judge, take both view into cognizance. It’s unfortunate that the students are bearing the brunt in this struggle.

We understand everything you are saying in a normal setting but ASUU sometimes demonstrate their greed openly. Compare ASUU welfare to other sectors aside from government appointees whose pays are shortlived, and you will agree that they are greedy. What do they do that Teachers at secondary and primary school level are not doing?
If 2009 agreements that ASUU seldom use to blackmail FG is that feasible, the meek Yar'Adua or Jonathan would have done it.
I had a lecturer that is shivering now because of IPPIS due to his multiple salary entries. He used to be a very effective lecturer back then when I was an undergraduate. But now that he has four solid employments in four places, he only employs his students to do most of his works. he is And this ought to be legally meant for the young agile graduates he uses. This is the case with many lecturers.

ejibaba:
First, your responses does not show you are an outsider, however, I'm willing for the objective discuss though to further clarify certain issues you raised. I actually am...just a well-read one.

Second, you aviod the second issue I raised on tax variations? Or you think it's not enough to reject the system? For your information sir, the previous tax system often times takes cognisant of teaching environment. How can I be paying same tax with someone in urban setting or what motivation do I have to leave my established university in an urban to a school in rural setting considering all off checks are the same??

My response as well...not sure why the next paragraph is not in bold.

[b] I have no idea how taxation works in the govt. sector. But in private co's, everyone is under the PAYE (I will presume this law governs governments as well) tax. I had mentioned how individual university ASUUs had gotten agreements with state governments for a tax relief. My opinion is that the government disagrees that it is lawful to obtain a tax relief which is why they are placing everyone according to the default PAYE deductions (my assumption again). I know that in the private sector, taxes are the same whether you work in the bush or in an urban area. The only times you might see a different is working with an Oil & Gas firm or an OEM (i.e. Oracle, Microsoft), you often get taxed at higher rates compared to working with a one-man company. The difference can be as high as 35% tax at O&G firms and 20% at private firms. Then again, is there a legal framework for ASUU's previous agreements on tax reliefs? If the answer is no, then Govt has a point, if the answer is Yes, then ASUU is right. This is a case you guys can actually take to the courts I believe. [/b]


Third, why should it be ASUU duty to drag the gazette of an the agreement? Why is it an issue now? No idea. My point here was more around getting / giving the government an ultimatum / negotiating within its own established framework rather than what they are doing now with a president who doesn't listen. If the government says this is the way to go (i.e. get the salaries and wages commission to gazette the said allowances, give the government a 30-day ultimatum to get these wages gazetted and included in IPPIS.

Fourth, if IPPIS is truly for salaries, why are they dictating to universities, whether to have visiting lecturers, sabbaticals and contract staff? Why? I don't know your definition of autonomy but mine is...verify whether the person exists, confirm if the person deserves to be paid but it's takes away my autonomy when you dictate to me that I should not have visiting, contract staff since you don't know what value they are to my institution. if this is true then it's a valid argument you make. I'm just hearing this for the first time actually. I'm not sure on what legal grounds IPPIS can dictate recruitment needs provided the individual university is not exceeding their approved budget - especially for contract staff. I don't have enough info plus it seems there is a lot of politics around the issue of visiting lecturer and sabbaticals so I'll leave that out for now, however, universities shouldn't be restricted from hiring.

Fifth, recruitment in the university system most especially when accreditation is approaching is usually fast and this may suffer given the time phase it will take IPPIS to capture a person for payment. I believe you know as an insider how corrupt you people in IPPIS are, most especially when invited to come for capturing and the corrupt demands that follows. I can't refute any of this. 100% valid concerns...I believe these can be sorted out through negotiations. Why does IPPIS need to come and physically capture ppl? I work in the software industry and just as JAMB enables registration remotely, IPPIS can enable such arrangement as well....the most important thing is that BVN and Biometrics are captured and supporting documents are uploaded. Someone can verify and validate on the admin panel in Abuja or from wherever.

Sixth, I think it is also wrong for you to refer to payment of salaries and allowances to senior researchers as: payments for capital expenditure and operational expenses to vendors or third parties...that remains I think you misread my comments here. By Capex and Opex I meant things such as renovations, buying furniture, fueling campus shuttles and other any expenses the universities may want to embark on..these are currently done through the GIFMIS platform.


Seven, I want to ask again that you pls, state you view on this disadvantage of this system that I pointed out that you delibrately avoided: The payment platform doesn't allow for a convenient tax system that academics enjoy previously rather tax is on gross pay. I had actually mentioned the tax variance issue in my earlier post on this thread..so my omission is just that rather than being deliberate.

Thank you. I await your response.

Thanks for clarifying. Your points have provided further context into the issues. Believe it or not, I'm not an insider...I'm have never worked for the govt or any govt affiliated institution. Anyways..thanks once again for the civility in your response....a rarity on NL which is why i don't bother commenting here much.

One more question though, if you can shed some light. Since these issues are mostly administrative, why are the Vice Chancellors and Governing councils not involved in this fight with the FG. ASUU should rightly be pushing from a position of it affecting their take home pay...but I expect the association of VCs if there is one to be the ones pushing the issues around visiting lecturers, sabbatical, limits on recruitment etc. It appears they've taken a back sit.

zicoy6k:
Go and educate yourself concerning university establishment acts, after which, I'm sure you will come back to delete this post.

Forget the university establishment acts. if one acts fails, you can another would be adopted, though with adequate consultations. Assu should key into the IPPIS or forget about their salary. There have not been any union that gain government attention like Assu and NMA.

slyzy:
What is actually wrong with the govt Ippis cos it comes across to like ASUU has a racket they are bend on covering up. If not, how can u dictate to ur employer how to be paid? Not logical pls

Why is SSANU, NASU, Polytechnic staff, etc kicking against IPPIS?
Take note, those I mentioned are already on IPPIS!

jericco1:
This is an insult to the FG.
Imagine workers dictating to their employers how they want to be renumerated

bros leave that thing! I'm with the workers on this. if politicians can go home monthly with millions and the same government doesn't see anything wrong with that then why shouldn't workers struggle to get the much they can? Nigeria no balance at all bros.

symbianDON:
bros leave that thing! I'm with the workers on this. if politicians can go home monthly with millions and the same government doesn't see anything wrong with that then why shouldn't workers struggle to get the much they can? Nigeria no balance at all bros.

Yes bro but that is their entitlement

saintade01:
For your information, they are being owed only September salary. I have someone in there.

My friend will you go and sit down. You have hundred people in there.
They are being owed July, August and September salaries. Some are being owed up to 6 months.
The person you have there is obviously Chris Ngige.

kjsun15:
God forbid you will be migrated to UTAS. You are already on IPPIS so no need to get yourselves worries. Stay with your amputated salaries that you are collecting on IPPIS platform. Have you ever asked your Unions-NASU SANU one question? why is your minimum wage arrears not paid since April 2019? find out from your enslaved platform IPPIS.

ASUU is made UTAS here in Nigeria with rigorous research by academics, your IPPIS is made in US by some government appointees finding fact on poor masses of Nigerian workers. This is modern slave trade. It is a pity you won't understand anyway!

I just realised that ASUU also pays image-makers on social media to help them fight on that front. You are one of them.

Well let me tell u guys something. Buhari, no matter how much I dislike him, is definitely not like other leaders in time past. He (or his handlers) gat lots of guts. ASUU is in not gonna arm twist him into agreeing to absurd and ridiculous conditions this time.
I have a feeling that FG will win this fight very easily. Luckily, they have long pocketed the judiciary and the national assembly.

Expect some very drastic and unconventional moves from the govt very soon. E go shock ASUU, and they won't be able to do shit about it.

kjsun15:
God forbid you will be migrated to UTAS. You are already on IPPIS so no need to get yourselves worries. Stay with your amputated salaries that you are collecting on IPPIS platform. Have you ever asked your Unions-NASU SANU one question? why is your minimum wage arrears not paid since April 2019? find out from your enslaved platform IPPIS.

ASUU is made UTAS here in Nigeria with rigorous research by academics, your IPPIS is made in US by some government appointees finding fact on poor masses of Nigerian workers. This is modern slave trade. It is a pity you won't understand anyway!

Why talking rubbish? something that you know nothing about, you just have to talk abi? continue.

SpecialAdviser:
Is it that the amount to be paid will reduce??

What exactly is the quarrel with the platform??

Somebody educate me.

They are not given allowance
under IPPIS .Definitely account general is the one collecting their money
In the latter plat form of payment all allowances were incorporated

Iolo:
Thanks for clarifying. Your points have provided further context into the issues. Believe it or not, I'm not an insider...I'm have never worked for the govt or any govt affiliated institution. Anyways..thanks once again for the civility in your response....a rarity on NL which is why i don't bother commenting here much.

One more question though, if you can shed some light. Since these issues are mostly administrative, why are the Vice Chancellors and Governing councils not involved in this fight with the FG. ASUU should rightly be pushing from a position of it affecting their take home pay...but I expect the association of VCs if there is one to be the ones pushing the issues around visiting lecturers, sabbatical, limits on recruitment etc. It appears they've taken a back sit.

VCS and governing council,are there on appointment or election

sinkhole:
Why is SSANU, NASU, Polytechnic staff, etc kicking against IPPIS?
Take note, those I mentioned are already on IPPIS!

What ever they are getting now cannot be compare to what they were getting before they join IPPIS

Besides,IPPIS deceived them,this are some of the things ASUU saw before this time,that's the reason they refuse to join.

Other unions are regretting now.