Austine1213:


You got it wrong, i was complementing that yall have fast food franchises

Anyway whether black, white, Indian race fact is they are south african

Anyway i won't engage in a pointless discussion, mr know it all

Stay with your truth ill stay with mine

What truth?
I want to learn from you so I don't understand your anger here.

I would appreciate it if you told about South Africa's companies that are founded and owned by blacks. And not BEE or PIC stuff.
Because like you said, the best way to learn about a country is through its people.

For Nigeria, I can give you Globacom, Innoson Vehicles, Gtbank, Access Bank( Africa's largest bank), Helios and more.

jln115:
I didn't qoute a South African source??

Also from al jezeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/9/1/zimbabwe-foreign-white-farmers-can-apply-to-get-seized-land-back

You are reading your phone upside down, Mister.
Your article clearly stated foreign white farmers. There's a whole world of difference between those and white Zimbabwean farmers. The white Zimbabwean farmers are not getting Nada back. They are sneaking in and working as tenants of black farmers.

obaaderemi:
You are reading your phone upside down, Mister.
Your article clearly stated foreign white farmers. There's a whole world of difference between those and white Zimbabwean farmers. The white Zimbabwean farmers are not getting Nada back. They are sneaking in and working as tenants of black farmers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i10ppb_yKUU

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/zimbabwe-offers-land-to-recompense-dispossessed-white-farmers

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/africa/2020-03-22-white-farmers-welcome-offer-by-zimbabwes-government-to-get-back-land/

obaaderemi:
What do you want me to know? You started it all by saying Nigerians don't own companies in other countries except drug and kidnapping rings. And I told you the South African companies we know are all white- founded. At least Nigeria has big companies founded by Nigerians. [/b]One of those companies is an employer of labor in south Africa. PIC is like BEE, a way to help blacks own parts of white founded South African companies.
The only thing I want you to teach me now is [b]major South African companies founded by blacks and not PIC investing in MTn, Shoprite,etc.

Check the Bolded, and tell me what do you interpret that? Just wanna see if you are an honest person or you are here to drive an Agenda, as i have seen it before on this platform.

That statement says, you concede defeat against white south africans, but you wanna paint a picture of Nigeria being better than black south africa. And you try to exclude white south africans as not south africans. White south africans have been in SA yrs before America was formed, almost 400yrs. If you can call white australian, australian, who has only been in austrilia for 120yrs and you cptry to exclude white south africans who have been in SA for 400yrs as None south africans, then you need serious help.

obaaderemi:
What truth?
I want to learn from you so I don't understand your anger here.

I would appreciate it if you told about South Africa's companies that are founded and owned by blacks. And not BEE or PIC stuff.
Because like you said, the best way to learn about a country is through its people.

For Nigeria, I can give you Globacom, Innoson Vehicles, Gtbank, Access Bank( Africa's largest bank), Helios and more.

When they say SA economy is sofisticated. Maybe you dont understand what they mean. SA economy is very different from nigeria economy. SA economy is not dominated by individuals like you have the dangote and the likes. South african economy is run by pension money. I told you SA has $500bn pension fund assets, compare to nigeria's only $26bn pension money. That money is not owned by individual. Its owned by the people, the workers. I for one, my pension money has been invested in many big malls in SA and those funds are managed by Alexander forbes pension fund.

PIC manages 1.3m government employees pension fund, i realised you had no clue what you were talking about. The shares they owned are not considered BEE shares. They owned controlling shares at Telkom, MTN, Shoprite, Exxaro, Edcon, Standard Bank, Capitec. Their shares on Naspers are worth $16bn. Remember there are many pension fund management companies, its not only PIC, Alexander forbes, Eskom pension fund, Transnet, there is many. SA has more than 2000 malls, and majority of those malls are owned by workers through their pension funds. This is the reason you will never find a dangote in SA. All those billionares from SA, all of them dont own more than 50% in companies they are involved in, many of them have small shares in different companies.

Remember, when we say PIC manages 1.3m government workers pension money, we are not including the parastetal company workers.

SA government owns 700 different companies, e.g Eskom, Transnet, Denel, Armscor, NECSA, SANRAL, PRASA, CSIR, SABC, SAA, all these companies manage their own pension fund or have private companies who manage it for them. So you see SA economy is like an Engine. Dangote owns everything in Nigeria and you are proud of that, if nigerians owned 70% of dangote's wealth, nigeria would be far, that would mean more middle class for nigerians.

obaaderemi:
What truth?
I want to learn from you so I don't understand your anger here.

I would appreciate it if you told about South Africa's companies that are founded and owned by blacks. And not BEE or PIC stuff.
Because like you said, the best way to learn about a country is through its people.

For Nigeria, I can give you Globacom, Innoson Vehicles, Gtbank, Access Bank( Africa's largest bank), Helios and more.

I don't have anger im not even angry

But hipocrisy is asking if there is any multinational founded by a black perso in a country if more than 50m people

That alone proves something is not right with your mind

obaaderemi:
That's the same thing we keep telling the stupid Kenyans.

Dont drag me into your kenyan debate

But HDI also indicate a country getting the basics right, take equitorial Guinea

Kazikazi:
Oh,I see. But why these South African companies are not everywhere in Africa?

Sometimes the country diet,

But it shouldn't suprise you a basic Macdonald, starbucks.... franchise is no where in west africa

14:


When they say SA economy is sofisticated. Maybe you dont understand what they mean. SA economy is very different from nigeria economy. SA economy is not dominated by individuals like you have the dangote and the likes. South african economy is run by pension money. I told you SA has $500bn pension fund assets, compare to nigeria's only $26bn pension money. That money is not owned by individual. Its owned by the people, the workers. I for one, my pension money has been invested in many big malls in SA and those funds are managed by Alexander forbes pension fund.

PIC manages 1.3m government employees pension fund, i realised you had no clue what you were talking about. The shares they owned are not considered BEE shares. They owned controlling shares at Telkom, MTN, Shoprite, Exxaro, Edcon, Standard Bank, Capitec. Their shares on Naspers are worth $16bn. Remember there are many pension fund management companies, its not only PIC, Alexander forbes, Eskom pension fund, Transnet, there is many. SA has more than 2000 malls, and majority of those malls are owned by workers through their pension funds. This is the reason you will never find a dangote in SA. All those billionares from SA, all of them dont own more than 50% in companies they are involved in, many of them have small shares in different companies.

Remember, when we say PIC manages 1.3m government workers pension money, we are not including the parastetal company workers.

SA government owns 700 different companies, e.g Eskom, Transnet, Denel, Armscor, NECSA, SANRAL, PRASA, CSIR, SABC, SAA, all these companies manage their own pension fund or have private companies who manage it for them. So you see SA economy is like an Engine. Dangote owns everything in Nigeria and you are proud of that, if nigerians owned 70% of dangote's wealth, nigeria would be far, that would mean more middle class for nigerians.

thank you for explaining to him, hope he learned something.

Our economies are opposites

I see visitors from the other thread peeping like thieves

Austine1213:


Dont drag me into your kenyan debate

But HDI also indicate a country getting the basics right, take equitorial Guinea

I can see you Are still mad.
By the way, nobody dragged you into anything. You are always forcing your way into the kenya- Nigeria debate.

Austine1213:


I don't have anger im not even angry

But hipocrisy is asking if there is any multinational founded by a black perso in a country if more than 50m people

That alone proves something is not right with your mind

If you believe the best South Africa's black folks can do after 26 years is to buy shares in white founded companies under the umbrella of PIC and BEE, then something is wrong with your mind.

Samorobo2:
I see visitors from the other thread peeping like thieves

How do you think number of views jumped from 40,000 to over 62,000 in a couple of weeks?

Austine1213:


Sometimes the country diet,

But it shouldn't suprise you a basic Macdonald, starbucks.... franchise is no where in west africa

KFC is bigger than McDonald's. And KFC has 26 outlets in Nigeria. Burger King is in Ghana, so what do you mean by mentioning West Africa?

14:


When they say SA economy is sofisticated. Maybe you dont understand what they mean. SA economy is very different from nigeria economy. SA economy is not dominated by individuals like you have the dangote and the likes. South african economy is run by pension money. I told you SA has $500bn pension fund assets, compare to nigeria's only $26bn pension money. That money is not owned by individual. Its owned by the people, the workers. I for one, my pension money has been invested in many big malls in SA and those funds are managed by Alexander forbes pension fund.

PIC manages 1.3m government employees pension fund, i realised you had no clue what you were talking about. The shares they owned are not considered BEE shares. They owned controlling shares at Telkom, MTN, Shoprite, Exxaro, Edcon, Standard Bank, Capitec. Their shares on Naspers are worth $16bn. Remember there are many pension fund management companies, its not only PIC, Alexander forbes, Eskom pension fund, Transnet, there is many. SA has more than 2000 malls, and majority of those malls are owned by workers through their pension funds. This is the reason you will never find a dangote in SA. All those billionares from SA, all of them dont own more than 50% in companies they are involved in, many of them have small shares in different companies.

Remember, when we say PIC manages 1.3m government workers pension money, we are not including the parastetal company workers.

SA government owns 700 different companies, e.g Eskom, Transnet, Denel, Armscor, NECSA, SANRAL, PRASA, CSIR, SABC, SAA, all these companies manage their own pension fund or have private companies who manage it for them. So you see SA economy is like an Engine. Dangote owns everything in Nigeria and you are proud of that, if nigerians owned 70% of dangote's wealth, nigeria would be far, that would mean more middle class for nigerians.

First of all Dangote is worth only $8bn, so how can he own everything in Nigeria, an economy bigger than South Africa's? So how can Nigerians not own more than 70% of Dangote's wealth? Stop arguing with emotions.

And you are the one who should be ashamed if whites who are minority, still own more than 80% of your country's wealth 26 years after you blacks took over the economy.

You keep saying South Africa's economy is sophisticated and different from Nigeria's economy. Then South Africa's economy must be different from every other economy in the world. An economy where a class of people (whites) are the ones who start all the big companies only for blacks to just buy shares, and never able to start any big company. Even Dangote, a Nigerian individual who you chose to insult, has a big company in South Africa employing blacks.
Nobody hates you but it makes other Africans sad that you black South Africans have given up to the whites. We know they are powerful after having unlimited access to the wealth of the Land for centuries but that should not stop you from competing against them. Even in America, Pepsi competed against Coke. In Nigeria, MTN and Econet came first, but Globacom, a local company came and is competing against them. What's wrong with you people?

14:


Check the Bolded, and tell me what do you interpret that? Just wanna see if you are an honest person or you are here to drive an Agenda, as i have seen it before on this platform.

That statement says, you concede defeat against white south africans, but you wanna paint a picture of Nigeria being better than black south africa. And you try to exclude white south africans as not south africans. White south africans have been in SA yrs before America was formed, almost 400yrs. If you can call white australian, australian, who has only been in austrilia for 120yrs and you cptry to exclude white south africans who have been in SA for 400yrs as None south africans, then you need serious help.

This is unnecessary drivel. We all know South Africa is the most unequal country in Africa. Why are you defending the whites? It was people like you who shot fellow blacks at a mine in South Africa a few years ago at the beckon of white owners of the mine.

jln115:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i10ppb_yKUU

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/zimbabwe-offers-land-to-recompense-dispossessed-white-farmers

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/africa/2020-03-22-white-farmers-welcome-offer-by-zimbabwes-government-to-get-back-land/

Gosh! You are disappointing. Your article is referring to foreign white farmers not Zimbabwean local white farmers. Or don't you know what bilateral means? I got this from your link:

Almost 4,500 white-owned properties and others
protected under government-to-government
agreements were affected by the program.
The southern African nation this year budgeted
about Z$380 million ($21 million) for
compensation. Several farms that were protected
under so-called Bilateral Investment Protection
Agreements belonged to nations including the U.K.,
South Africa, Australia, the Netherlands and
Denmark.

Government to government! Bilateral Investment Protection Agreement!

obaaderemi:
KFC is bigger than McDonald's. And KFC has 26 outlets in Nigeria. Burger King is in Ghana, so what do you mean by mentioning West Africa?

Is there a Macdonalds in west africa?

Austine1213:


Is there a Macdonalds in west africa?

KFC is enough. It's even bigger than McDonald's in terms of revenue. So, what's the big deal?

obaaderemi:
Gosh! You are disappointing. Your article is referring to foreign white farmers not Zimbabwean local white farmers. Or don't you know what bilateral means? I got this from your link:
Government to government! Bilateral Investment Protection Agreement!

are whites getting their farms back yes or no?

obaaderemi:
KFC is enough. It's even bigger than McDonald's in terms of revenue. So, what's the big deal?

Is there a Macdonalds in west africa? Lol

Austine1213:


Is there a Macdonalds in west africa? Lol

KFC is bigger than McDonald's. Lol.
KFC is all over West Africa. McDonald's loss.

jln115:
are whites getting their farms back yes or no?

White Zimbabwean farmers are not getting their lands back. Period.

obaaderemi:
White Zimbabwean farmers are not getting their lands back. Period.

Farms protected by government to government agreements as you sated............some of those farms where owned by White Zimbabweans like the dude in my video

obaaderemi:
How do you think number of views jumped from 40,000 to over 62,000 in a couple of weeks?

Hidden obsession..

14:


Check the Bolded, and tell me what do you interpret that? Just wanna see if you are an honest person or you are here to drive an Agenda, as i have seen it before on this platform.

That statement says, you concede defeat against white south africans, but you wanna paint a picture of Nigeria being better than black south africa. And you try to exclude white south africans as not south africans. White south africans have been in SA yrs before America was formed, almost 400yrs. If you can call white australian, australian, who has only been in austrilia for 120yrs and you cptry to exclude white south africans who have been in SA for 400yrs as None south africans, then you need serious help.

this is very correct. But the twaddle stems from ur countrymen who always instinctively look down on other African nations ( I've noticed this on countless occasions, so don't drag it ), forgetting that their own development was laid down long before d formation of most African countries by those minority whites. They'll sing praises of how SA was developed in 26years.... Blah blah blah, reason they're always reminded abt that bitter pill that's hard to swallow.

tylann:

I just did that
Kenya economy will grow at 1.5% according to Imf
Iam waiting for you to show me anything That kenyas economy is in recession

Here you go nakuru...I told you your economy is shrinking you were busy making noise...forget it's and mark today's date on the wall ..kenya economy will shrink throughout this year.

Chai one foot with the name shma2020 had the fvcking guts to call this cattle kraal a mega city..lol a modern 21st century smart city with water tanks on top of the buidings..so much for being a smart city

He is lucky I am no longer interested/comment in/on that thread otherwise I would have taken pleasure and joy to bust his bubbles.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWwv_sDwKaQ

Samorobo2:


Here you go nakuru...I told you your economy is shrinking you were busy making noise...forget it's and mark today's date on the wall ..kenya economy will shrink throughout this year.

Nakuru.

jln115:
Farms protected by government to government agreements as you sated............some of those farms where owned by White Zimbabweans like the dude in my video

No, those farms are owned by people from countries such as Netherlands, Belgium, etc. They are the ones covered by the government to government deal.
Bottom line is that some white Zimbabwean farmers are returning to work as tenants of black farmers.

BTW. I didn't know about Senekal when I started this conversation. Looks like black South Africans are also looking towards the Zimbabwean example, not minding what people like 14 and austine1213 says here. South Africa is a country pretending to have reconciled.

Aderr:
Nakuru.

That's tylan.n or something. He is from Nakuru.

Samorobo2:
Chai one foot with the name shma2020 had the fvcking guts to call this cattle kraal a mega city..lol a modern 21st century smart city with water tanks on top of the buidings..so much for being a smart city

He is lucky I am no longer interested/comment in/on that thread otherwise I would have taken pleasure and joy to bust his bubbles.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWwv_sDwKaQ

You can't blame the monkey too much. He lives in kibera. So any little improvement above what they have in Kibera will be celebrated by them. Just look at the unedited Westland picture.