Abortion—Is the Bible Ambiguous?

Is the Bible ambiguous on something as heinous as murdering a helpless child? Apparently 44% of self-identified Christians say "yes."

https://answersingenesis.org/culture/abortion-is-the-bible-ambiguous/

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Abortion—Is the Bible Ambiguous?

Is the Bible ambiguous on something as heinous as murdering a helpless child? Apparently 44% of self-identified Christians say "yes."

https://answersingenesis.org/culture/abortion-is-the-bible-ambiguous/

Abortion is the killing of an unborn child in his or her mother’s womb. There’s really no other honest way of describing it. Actually, there is another word for it—murder. So-called "pro-choice" activists (really, "pro-murder" activists) use terms like "reproductive freedom," "health care," or "a woman's right to choose" to try and make abortion sound like anything but what it is—the intentional murder of an unborn child.

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Your god advocates abortion as a test of marital faithfulness in women. LoL

LordReed:
Your god advocates abortion as a test of marital faithfulness in women. LoL

How and where?

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How and where?

Leaving aside the many places it is listed as "divine punishment", Numbers 5:11-31 specifies it as a test of marital faithfulness for women suspected of cheating.

LordReed:


Leaving aside the many places it is listed as "divine punishment", Numbers 5:11-31 specifies it as a test of marital faithfulness for women suspected of cheating.

Asides the fact that this practice has been abolished, Where do you find abortion in this passage you this snake?

Numbers 5:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 5:13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: 5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. 5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 5:25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. 5:29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; 5:30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 5:31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

WORLDLY LAW ON ABORTION:

Abortion is a bloodshed not frowned at by the worldly law.

Abortion is an abuse of human right not fully recognised by the worldly law.

Abortion is a first degree murder not fully signed into worldly law.

Abortion is a sin before God.~ Jeremiah 2:34, proverb 6:17..

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Asides the fact that this practice has been abolished, Where do you find abortion in this passage you this snake?

Numbers 5:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 5:13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: 5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. 5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 5:25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. 5:29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; 5:30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 5:31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

◄ Numbers 5:27 ►

New International Version
If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

LordReed:


◄ Numbers 5:27 ►

New International Version
If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

This is a rather unfortunate and poor translation.
Num 5:17  And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 

You must be of the Krest family to think that water and dust causes miscarriage or abortion. Asides the fact that this practice is obsolete and does not in any way support abortion in the present time, you are wrongly supposing that the woman is even pregnant. But the curse here is for the woman whether pregnant or not. So if she is not pregnant, how can she abort, abort her food?

Here is the KJV again.
Num 5:27  And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 

Compare with the translation you presented.

If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Look at it objectively. The word translated as "belly or abdomen" is 'beten'. It is used for both men and women BTW. The word translated as "thigh or womb" is 'yarek'. It is also used for both genders. In fact, beten is more often translated as womb so i am not sure why NIV mixed it up.
The word translated as "rot or miscarry" is 'naphal'. Naphal means to fall. It is the exact same word used in the following passages.
Gen 2:21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 
Exo 21:33  And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; 
Lev 26:7  And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 
Num 14:29  Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, 
Deu 22:8  When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence. 


Do not take my word alone for it, check up for yourself. i have deliberately quoted the five books written by the same person, the same language. i am sure none of those words suggest or mean miscarriage. They all mean FALL or in some cases decay or rot. It is only foolish to insist otherwise. The translation is poor, and your conclusion is inconsistent with all other known Scripture. God is against abortion and does not approve of it for you or your neighbour.

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This is a rather unfortunate and poor translation.
Num 5:17  And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 

You must be of the Krest family to think that water and dust causes miscarriage or abortion. Asides the fact that this practice is obsolete and does not in any way support abortion in the present time, you are wrongly supposing that the woman is even pregnant. But the curse here is for the woman whether pregnant or not. So if she is not pregnant, how can she abort, abort her food?

Here is the KJV again.
Num 5:27  And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 

Compare with the translation you presented.


Look at it objectively. The word translated as "belly or abdomen" is 'beten'. It is used for both men and women BTW. The word translated as "thigh or womb" is 'yarek'. It is also used for both genders. In fact, beten is more often translated as womb so i am not sure why NIV mixed it up.
The word translated as "rot or miscarry" is 'naphal'. Naphal means to fall. It is the exact same word used in the following passages.
Gen 2:21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 
Exo 21:33  And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; 
Lev 26:7  And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 
Num 14:29  Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, 
Deu 22:8  When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence. 


Do not take my word alone for it, check up for yourself. i have deliberately quoted the five books written by the same person, the same language. i am sure none of those words suggest or mean miscarriage. They all mean FALL or in some cases decay or rot. It is only foolish to insist otherwise. The translation is poor, and your conclusion is inconsistent with all other known Scripture. God is against abortion and does not approve of it for you or your neighbour.

LMAO! Go and argue with the translators of your "word of god". I quoted what I saw, if your "word of god" is incorrect then go ask your god or the translators to change it. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


LMAO! Go and argue with the translators of your "word of god". I quoted what I saw, if your "word of god" is incorrect then go ask your god or the translators to change it. Bwahahahahaha!

You are being subjective and unreasonable. there is nothing to argue about. You picked a poor translation to suit yourself. It is called deceiving one's self.

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You are being subjective and unreasonable. there is nothing to argue about. You picked a poor translation to suit yourself. It is called deceiving one's self.

Bwahahahahaha! OMFD! Your "word of god" says something you don't agree with and I am the one indulging in self deception? Oh my, this is too rich. LMFAO!

LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! OMFD! Your "word of god" says something you don't agree with and I am the one indulging in self deception? Oh my, this is too rich. LMFAO!

Like i said earlier, the Word of God clearly does not say anything about miscarriage or abortion. You are making a poor translation. Check a better translation or check out the original. I've quoted the appropriate translation for you and even taken out time to reasonable and logically explain it. If you choose to close your eyes and remain blind. It's your loss, not mine. We will continue to preach the truth that God is against abortion and will judge the sinners. Feel free to play the ostrich, it's your calling.

LordReed:


LMAO! Go and argue with the translators of your "word of god". I quoted what I saw, if your "word of god" is incorrect then go ask your god or the translators to change it.

Mr Evil-son, It is Not our translators but the creation of your own evil cousins on behalf of your father Satan, in line with his policy of corrupting every thing that is good, as you always do.

LordReed:

Bwahahahahaha!

Laugh of Raw Evilness!!!

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Like i said earlier, the Word of God clearly does not say anything about miscarriage or abortion. You are making a poor translation. Check a better translation or check out the original. I've quoted the appropriate translation for you and even taken out time to reasonable and logically explain it. If you choose to close your eyes and remain blind. It's your loss, not mine. We will continue to preach the truth that God is against abortion and will judge the sinners. Feel free to play the ostrich, it's your calling.

Do you not realise that this Guy is just Pure Raw Evil, Satan in the flesh?

He is a very very evil soul and he loves being evil.

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you not realise that this Guy is just Pure Raw Evil, Satan in the flesh?

He is a very very evil soul and he loves being evil.

don't mind him. He's a well known snake. He's like his father but not his father. He is little reed.

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Like i said earlier, the Word of God clearly does not say anything about miscarriage or abortion. You are making a poor translation. Check a better translation or check out the original. I've quoted the appropriate translation for you and even taken out time to reasonable and logically explain it. If you choose to close your eyes and remain blind. It's your loss, not mine. We will continue to preach the truth that God is against abortion and will judge the sinners. Feel free to play the ostrich, it's your calling.

LMAO! Biblica needs to hear that I made the NIV translation, maybe they'll pay me some of the royalties they get from owning the copyright. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:


Mr Evil-son, It is Not our translators but the creation of your own evil cousins on behalf of your father Satan, in line with his policy of corrupting every thing that is good, as you always do.



Laugh of Raw Evilness!!!

Mwahahahahaha! You must have graduated from Clowns 'R' Us. LMFAO!

LordReed:


LMAO! Biblica needs to hear that I made the NIV translation, maybe they'll pay me some of the royalties they get from owning the copyright. Bwahahahahaha!

Again you deliberately miss the whole point. i said you should use a proper translation if you want to be truly objective and reasonable. Don't use a poor translation to arrive at your point. i have shown you how and why it is a poor translation of the verse. i am not blaming or lauding you or the NIV, just showing you the proper and logical thing.

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Again you deliberately miss the whole point. i said you should use a proper translation if you want to be truly objective and reasonable. Don't use a poor translation to arrive at your point. i have shown you how and why it is a poor translation of the verse. i am not blaming or lauding you or the NIV, just showing you the proper and logical thing.

Our Mission: To provide the Bible in accurate, contemporary translations and formats so that more people around the world will have the opportunity to be transformed by Jesus Christ.

https://www.biblica.com/

Go and disturb them to correct their translation of your "word of god". Bwahahahahahaha!

LordReed:




Go and disturb them to correct their translation of your "word of god". Bwahahahahahaha!

None of my business. One, i normally use the KJV which gives a better translation overall IMO. Two, even if i read the niv, i have access online, on phone, on computer and hardcopy to different versions and translation as well as study materials. The Bible itself enjoined its readers to study and not just read. To prove and confirm. If i see suspicious or contrary or contradictory passage even in the KJV, i study, i compare, contrast, context, check the Greek or Hebrew as it were etc. All translation have done a good job and likely sincere job so i cannot blame them like you are hoping.
Anyone who has tried translation or interpretation will know it's not an easy task or exact science. So don't stand on one shaky niv translation leg to build doctrine. It's like the proverbial ostrich. There's wealth of clear evidence to the contrary.

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None of my business. One, i normally use the KJV which gives a better translation overall IMO. Two, even if i read the niv, i have access online, on phone, on computer and hardcopy to different versions and translation as well as study materials. The Bible itself enjoined its readers to study and not just read. To prove and confirm. If i see suspicious or contrary or contradictory passage even in the KJV, i study, i compare, contrast, context, check the Greek or Hebrew as it were etc. All translation have done a good job and likely sincere job so i cannot blame them like you are hoping.
Anyone who has tried translation or interpretation will know it's not an easy task or exact science. So don't stand on one shaky niv translation leg to build doctrine. It's like the proverbial ostrich. There's wealth of clear evidence to the contrary.

LMAO! Your god is so incompetent he can't ensure that there are no "suspicious or contrary or contradictory" translations so neither is it my business to vet the translations. Besides it is not only the NIV that translates it that way. Bwahahahahahaha!

LordReed:


LMAO! Your god is so incompetent he can't ensure that there are no "suspicious or contrary or contradictory" translations so neither is it my business to vet the translations. Besides it is not only the NIV that translates it that way. Bwahahahahahaha!

Baba the guy is blaming you for their own incompetency. End shall never wonder.

SlawG:
Baba the guy is blaming you for their own incompetency. End shall never wonder.

I tire my broda.

LordReed:


I tire my broda.

One of their own condemning the version he is bragging about. Pastor and social media commentator , Reno Omokri, has revealed that the King James Version of the Bible was translated by members of occult groups , Freemasons and Rusicrucians . Read his words below :
http://naijamill.com/2019/12/01/top-occultists-translated-the-king-james-bible-pastor-reno-omokri/

SlawG:
One of their own condemning the version he is bragging about. Pastor and social media commentator , Reno Omokri, has revealed that the King James Version of the Bible was translated by members of occult groups , Freemasons and Rusicrucians . Read his words below :
http://naijamill.com/2019/12/01/top-occultists-translated-the-king-james-bible-pastor-reno-omokri/

Bwahahahahaha! The whole thing is just schizophrenia inducing I swear. LMAO!

LordReed:


LMAO! Your god is so incompetent he can't ensure that there are no "suspicious or contrary or contradictory" translations so neither is it my business to vet the translations. Besides it is not only the NIV that translates it that way. Bwahahahahahaha!

Lol, your ignorance is amusing given the Light of the current sad situation in the country. The Bible is not dictated either in the original or translation. There is NO 100% translation or writing, neither is it needed. The Bible was not written for professors of grammar and Nobel laureates in syntax and language. It was written for the whole world. It is as simple and basic as water and fruit that the little, the young and the weak majority can also access and get what is needed for life. Understanding of the Bible is not in its grammar or phonemes. You need a real encounter with the Spirit of God, not academic gragra to get anything tangible. That's why you've consistently met a brick wall since you were born.
Like i told you, i don't have a problem with the niv and thousand other translation. Translation is not an exact science. Any proper study will however show that the verse was poorly translated. If you put in the effort you use in replying me to study for yourself, you will not be this ignorant. It's all free online.

SlawG:
Baba the guy is blaming you for their own incompetency. End shall never wonder.

This one sounds like he is wasted already. Read properly and think for yourself, you don't have to be little reed's slaveboy.

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Lol, your ignorance is amusing given the Light of the current sad situation in the country. The Bible is not dictated either in the original or translation. There is NO 100% translation or writing, neither is it needed. The Bible was not written for professors of grammar and Nobel laureates in syntax and language. It was written for the whole world. It is as simple and basic as water and fruit that the little, the young and the weak majority can also access and get what is needed for life. Understanding of the Bible is not in its grammar or phonemes. You need a real encounter with the Spirit of God, not academic gragra to get anything tangible. That's why you've consistently met a brick wall since you were born.
Like i told you, i don't have a problem with the niv and thousand other translation. Translation is not an exact science. Any proper study will however show that the verse was poorly translated. If you put in the effort you use in replying me to study for yourself, you will not be this ignorant. It's all free online.

OMFD! Bwahahahahaha! The tone deafness is beyond belief. LMFAO!

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This one sounds like he is wasted already. Read properly and think for yourself, you don't have to be little reed's slaveboy.

Better than being slave to your god.

LordReed:


OMFD! Bwahahahahaha! The tone deafness is beyond belief. LMFAO!

It's always been so for you, only getting worse. God will heal you. He is Jehovah Rapha, the healer of the deaf and blind.

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It's always been so for you, only getting worse. God will heal you. He is Jehovah Rapha, the healer of the deaf and blind.

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