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Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Metrix147: 3:41pm On Oct 24, 2020
A Nigerian Catholic priest, Fr Kelvin Ugwu has called on society not to condemn homosexuals but accord them the dignity they deserve as humans.

In his verified Facebook page on Saturday, the clergy while maintaining the Catholic Church has not changed its teachings on homosexuality, insisted that it is still regarded as an act that is INTRINSICALLY DISORDERED

He said they have right to be part of the family as human person, adding that homosexual acts are still not acceptable.

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On Homosexuality

Though my heart tells me that there is something wrong with a man having sexual attraction to a fellow man, or a woman to a fellow woman; I feel they need help; I feel it is not normal. But the society and the generation I find myself in says they don't need help, that it is normal.

The generation I find myself are using examples of animal species that are perceived to be homosexuals to justify the act. They argue that since some animals have been seen to exhibit homosexual tendencies, it therefore means it is normal. (Who ever saw the animals, I don't know).

The logic is both porous and irritating. Do we have to find validity of what we human could call normal from watching what animals do?

Because of this, I started making research. I pushed away whatever the bible said about homosexuality. I wanted to see what others are seeing, maybe I could understand it better. How do psychologists or psychiatrists see this?

Then I stumbled on a manual of mental health disorder. It is called Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). It is published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA). The manual offers a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders. It is used, or relied upon, by clinicians, researchers, psychiatric, drug regulation agencies, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, the legal system, and policy makers.

Then I read through their publication of 1968. It was new to me that in DSM publication of 1968, homosexuality was regarded as MENTAL DISORDERS. I said wow!

Then I read how from that moment, gay right activists started fighting the American Psychiatric Association (APA). They want homosexuality to be removed from DSM as a mental disorder. They went as far as disrupting APA's conferences many times, interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. It was a big riot. They even threatened APA with strong words.

As expected, in 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder or not. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 voted to retain it.

Mark this, the decision was made based on vote in which 3,810 persons out of 9,664 people that voted were still convinced that it is a disorder. The decision is more political than medical. It was a response to what the world wanted to hear.

At that decision to remove homosexuality from the catalogue of mental disorders in DSM, a commentator said the jubilation among homosexuals that day was as if they won the world cup.

That forcefulness to ensure everyone accept homosexuality is still with us. It is even more forceful today. They don't give you options.

Do you remember the baker that was charged to court in the US for refusing to bake cake for gay couples?

Do you know that some preachers have been sent out of some parishes in Europe/America for simply following the biblical teaching of condemning homosexuality even when they don't condemn the person?

Do you know that some of these opinions we share here on Facebook can deny some of us visas to some countries in the world even when clearly we don't condemn those called homosexuals?

Remind me again what the US govt under Obama did to Uganda over their anti-gay law?

Chimamanda Adichie's rating skyrocketed when she showed her support for homosexuals. Remind me again one of the reasons why Barrack Obama was loved as president? Do you now see why to be "woke" is to be a gay activist?

In today's world, to be seen as a progressive country or a progressive church is to accept not just homosexuality, but to uphold it as normal. Anglican Church of England comes to mind. And today there is this force to make Catholic change her teaching such that any statement made by the Pope on this can be easily misinterpreted.

In religious debate on this, even before you finished talking, someone will remind you that we are all sinners, and that we should not judge another whom we perceive to be sinning differently from us. What they are simply trying to say to you is: SHUT YOUR MOUTH UP!

You are told to believe that gays are born like that, yet we know many people who were lured into it and they got use to it. Almost everyone of us who are against the act has got stories to tell on how he or she escaped being lured into it.

We equally know many people who due to rape or abuse or heart break decided to find solace and trust on people of their same sex. What of young ladies whom due to fear of pregnancy, decided to have a female partner to remove such fear? What do we do about these people?

At the end, we should be bold to ask ourselves, how come among two homosexuals, one will often be acting like a girl? Why behave, dress, or act LIKE a girl if you are comfortable as a man? To act "LIKE", is it not a sign that something is wrong. Again, why are medical personnel silent on the adverse effects of having anal sex for a long time?

At the end we must be bold to ask ourselves, why use sex objects or dildos that look LIKE penis. Is that not a way of accepting that the penis is the natural organ especially when you design the dildos to look and function LIKE human penis? Is it not a way of saying that something is wrong?

Yea, as much as I don't agree that homosexuals should be criminalized, I won't also accept the argument that it is normal. This is why it is difficult to help even those who genuinely should be helped because you can't find a solution to something you have not acknowledged as a problem.

On Pope Francis. . .

It is his good heart and love towards every human without judging them on the basis of their sins that has become his greatest strength and indeed his weakness as well. This is why it is easier for mainstream media to maliciously take advantage of that aspect of him.

The Catholic Church has not changed her teachings on homosexuality, it is still regarded as an act that is INTRINSICALLY DISORDERED. You may believe whatever the mainstream media want you to believe as coming from the Pope, but I say this to you, the Church has made clarifications already that the pope was wrongly quoted, the official teaching of the Catholic Church on this has not changed. So, if you are a homosexual carrying out the act, it is a sin, a mortal sin. It is a disorder. Seek to get out of it.

Yes, no one should condemn a homosexual. They are humans and deserve every dignity. They have right to be part of the family as human person. But, that is never to say homosexual acts are acceptable.

Pray for the Pope, pray for your Christian leaders!

Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP

#PurestPurity
#FacebookTelevision

Source: https://abntv.com.ng/2020/10/yes-no-one-should-condemn-a-homosexual-nigerian-catholic-priest-advises/

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Sirmwill: 3:42pm On Oct 24, 2020
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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Obidon1(m): 3:43pm On Oct 24, 2020
Sin is sin

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by jesusjnr2020(m): 3:45pm On Oct 24, 2020
You have a very good point there.

In as much as those who are truly of God ought to let the world know the Truth that homosexuality is a very grievous and abominable sin in God's sight, no one has the right to condemn them.

Even Jesus who was perfect and without sin said:
Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John 8:11

So we should go and do likewise.

And that's what the Catholic Pope ought to have done, not condemn them, but still tell them to "go and sin no more" even as Jesus had done. Instead he is endorsing the abominable sin, and calling the lifestyle "a mere adjective". So if you really think he's doesn't know what he's doing, then you don't know your Pope at all. The interpretation of the mainstream media was exactly what the Pope intended. He clearly has an agenda which is not of God. So please quit making flimsy excuses for him.

God bless.

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by feedthenation(m): 3:46pm On Oct 24, 2020
There's God's standard and there's human standard --- everyone knows which is the correct one but because of societal pressures things are been accepted against the norm.

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by WoundedLamb: 3:53pm On Oct 24, 2020
Nice one. People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:11pm On Oct 24, 2020
There is huge difference between condemnation and intimacy!
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, despite the fact that we have lots of rules that separates us from people of the world we don't condemn people!
Jesus taught us to love our neighbours as we will love ourselves {Mark 12:31} this means whatever we will not accept we shouldn't do it to others {Matthew 7:12} and we must see everyone as persons having the right to live.
But there is a clause! Jesus later gave us a new rule that "we must love our fellow believers the way he loved us" {John 13:34-35} this means JWs should be prepared to die for one another if the need arises!
Surely i will treat a homosexual just like my neighbour, i will not do what i can't bear towards him neither will i allow him to encroach on my privacy. But he shouldn't expect me to be his intimate friend because i only go intimate with fellow believers! John 17:20-23 smiley

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 4:19pm On Oct 24, 2020
WoundedLamb:
Nice one.
People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.



MuttleyLaff:
Rather you do the chest-thumping than I do it. It better and truly be your last submission, but then a smart man should only believe half of what he reads, and a wise man ought to know which half of last and submission to believe

Whodunit!? Anti-spam bot done it. Nobody on this thread is interested in getting or having anyone banned, but next time, we shouldnt let dogs be barking at a passing car(s), being disrespectful and trying hard to provoke. Pissing on my leg and when asked to stop, telling me it’s rainwater from it being raining.

Time sure, is of the essence, but most interlocutors on this thread have regularly shown they are very short of essence and this is part of the reason why on pages 15, 19 and 35, I've called them out to be unashamedly time stealers, time wasters and time killers

"Ye shall not therefore oppress one another (i.e. not wrong one another)
but thou shalt fear thy God: for I am the LORD your God.
"
- Leviticus 25:17

"Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God,
for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.
"
- Romans 12:19

You really dont know. You even dont know whom is the God that I serve. My God that doesn't leave me, when I am planned against or when I am being continually disrespected. My God that is an Avenger.

I know, like everyone I don't have a lot of time, but as I've previously on this thread said, if just one person, gets succour, comfort, ease and relief, from going through and reading the thread, then it makes the whole effort worthwhile of turning one's hand to deconstructing the lies.

I am not paying the duck. I am not going to take the blame for something I did not do nor have any slight knowledge about how you got banned except for the anti-spam bot done it.

I followed a Shepherd.00 notification that mentioned MuttleyLaff. I didnt even know until after I had responded to where the notification brought me to, that it took me to another thread

Choose not to be full of yourself. Give up being egocentric. Be humble, you cant go wrong being that

"This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV.01 & Shepherd.00 put to me, after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts, and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark.
"
- Page 01, Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Jun 02

Interlocutors on this thread, the likes especially openmine, seem to forget the undelined in the above inverted commas quote taken from when the thread was opened. From the above inverted commas quote, it is evident that the thread was not and never opened, to proselytise for or proselytise away from, a consensual adults living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle.

My objective and target, as stated on page 1, for opening the thread was to deconstruct the lies and myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Which essentially means, to analyse words by deconstruction to discover uncover and expose them for what they originally and truly are saying and not saying. These are words, the translations and meanings have been changed by the church, then after used to demonise, persecute, discriminate like SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle with

The plan and stipulated intention of the thread has always from the onset made known that it is to pick on those hijacked words like "arsenokoites" "malakoi/malakos" "sodomite/sodomy" "porneia" "qadesh/qedeshah", individually reduce them to their constituent parts and then have them correctly interpreted, to expose their meanings as they originally were, Nothing about the way in which anyone stands in regards of homosexual acts whether its consensual or not was ever in the remit of the thread

It is obvious though, that the truth doesn't always set you free, and that's because people prefer to believe prettier, neatly wrapped up lies. If one is given tea stirred with just a teeny weeny dash of poisonous lies, isnt it right that, it then becomes impossible to drink just tea, hmm?

The thread was not created and never was it opened to say whether or not God saw nothing untoward about consensual homosexual acts, but out of courtesy, out of freedom to express, out of having nothing to hide, OP allowed interlocutors, to derail the thread from its subject heading title and going on to endless and various tangents. Jumping from one cọck to the other donkey, keep changing topics without logic or as if like a drowning man clutching at any available river bed reed plant straw in sight. Almost each and all whims and caprices of the interlocutors, with the exception of only one or two, did OP not oblige or succumb to. They didnt find the pushback(s) impressive, it actually made the interlocutors very aggrieved, resentful, "sifialy" pained, bitter and not at all happy. They sulked upandan the thread, throwing tantrums like as if a spoiled brat

Now concerning open.mine saying "I was unable to make any near semblance to such scriptures supporting the view, that God sees nothing untoward about consensual strictly monogamous homosexual acts." It’s a roll with butter, it's really dead easy to provide and show where on either sides of the Bible, God doesnt see anything untoward about consensual strictly monogamous SSA people, but if openmine and other interlocutors are now expecting me, to point out to them, in the Bible where, then they each and all, are not well informed, and it shows that they dont know the Bible very well at all. They suffer truth decay from lack of brushing up on the Bible

Most interlocutors, so far, commenting on this thread have never disappointed me. They have been very at playing the mediocrity card, which is ignoring the big elephants in the room, I introduced them to on the thread, but then ignored the elephants, pretended they are not there and then be discussing the ants or playing the hot potato game, tossing it about and dancing pangolo even before the music begins and dance starts.

The pig can speak for itself, but as for persons like us, submerge us in mud, roll us in mud, ruff and tumble with us in mud, we will still come out clean, proper and prim, with nothing evil, harmful, wrong or bad doing us, whilst you be all dirted up and having enjoyed it

SSA is not threatening nor impeding the creational order. Straight people do decide not to have children and no one bats an eyelid about that. Now, it is only a wicked person at heart, that would stand in the way of anyone who loves and yearns to have his/her own children in whichever de jure way, is permissibly possible, espcially if they are consensual adults living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship union and lifestyle based on kindness, care for each other, faithfulness, love until death do part, commitment to each other, no cheating, no sleeping around, no infidelity, no harm, evil, bad or wrong to anyone etcetera

Aside the institution of marriage designed for man and woman, there is a positive archetype for relationships the kind of SSA, there is evidence of it in scripture. People need to just say, that they arent aware of it because that is what they've learned from being made and led to believe nothing exists in the Bible like that.

Its embarassing and a shame that not many, have properly and correctly read the bible, but they only and just have read the Bible, shallowly enough to attack minorities with it

Most interlocutors on this thread are the worst kind of judgemental people you'll ever come across, they want you acting the way they want you to. It’s always has to be about their expectations, not and never the truth. It never is you being you, you being yourself

Most interlocutors on this thread, are always known to resort to promoting a mob mentality, case in point, is this very comment and line above, because they are incapable of tolerating minorities, especially those different from them in terms of sexual acts. Decisions for such interlocutors, are always made by clarion call popularity vote strongly expressed demand and request to avoid extending this thread, but they dont realise is that, truth draws strength from itself and not from the number of votes in favour an openmine gag order. It is a behavior on a largely emotional front, rather than one that's rational. Nothing frustrates people more than having someone turn up and be shaking a table that they are standing comfortably on

Bottoms up to a Happy new month to everyone. I know that this thread for the anonymously reading it, has been a healer and a blessing

Building up to sincere, genuine and truthful conversation, like as so far being done on this thread, does take a lot of time, and it’s a process that only few can endure. It’s not for faint hearted people either to be involved in, and that's why on page 1, the thread was mentioned to be marathon and not a sprint. Every interlocutor on this thread, was invited to the thread, but obviously some will outstay and sadly have outstayed their welcome.

With a thread of this nature or kind, sometimes it’s enough to just plant the seed, and walk away. With my head held high, I know I can safely walk away from the thread now without further comments or uploading additional posts and leave the thread, just for the flower to now grow on its own.

"We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life, is when men are afraid of the light."
- Plato
cc Emperor.Harry

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 4:22pm On Oct 24, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
There is huge difference between condemnation and intimacy!
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, despite the fact that we have lots of rules that separates us from people of the world we don't condemn people!
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You for condemn nah. "Ẹ jẹbi"

Whats there to condemn in two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, huh?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus taught us to love our neighbours as we will love ourselves {Mark 12:31} this means whatever we will not accept we shouldn't do it to others {Matthew 7:12} and we must see everyone as persons having the right to live.
But there is a clause! Jesus later gave us a new rule that "we must love our fellow believers the way he loved us" {John 13:34-35} this means JWs should be prepared to die for one another if the need arises!
Surely i will treat a homosexual just like my neighbour, i will not do what i can't bear towards him neither will i allow him to encroach on my privacy.
But he shouldn't expect me to be his intimate friend because i only go intimate with fellow believers
! John 17:20-23 smiley
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Mr, lmso, confused dot com as usual.
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:49pm On Oct 24, 2020
MuttleyLaff:

You for condemn nah. "Ẹ jẹbi"
Whats there to condemn in two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, huh?
You guys don't know the meaning of the word condemnation!
It simply means planning to do away with such a person! But as true Christians we tolerate all kinds of people, that's why we do have friendly chats with them at work and even going to their homes to visit them.
Someone who condemns you will never listen to whatever you want to say, talkless reasoning with you.
So if you're a homosexual feel free to chat with me anytime, we can discuss on what could lead to troubles in the future even if we are not seeing it now.

Mr, lmso, confused dot com as usual.

I don't understand where the confusion is when i tell you there is a limit to where our friendship could reach. I will not force you to become my intimate friend so i believe you too should simply accept me as the well-meaning neighbour living next to you who feels it's OK to be your neighbour that's all! grin
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by coolsegun2002: 5:02pm On Oct 24, 2020
WoundedLamb:
Nice one. People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.

School me please...

1)How are gay people restricted from moving?
I’m not aware gay or heterosexual people have a tag they carry around to identify their sexual orientation...

2)if there’s truly a restriction, How will the free movement reduce fight among couples, hence, divorce/ failed marriage rate ?

3)please whats the statistics of teen suicide in Nigeria....and how is it related to this free movement claim of urs

4)Are u aware that two HIV negative couples still take pre-exposure prophylaxis... so how valid is ur claim that gay marriage will automatically reduce HIV spread considering that pre-exposure prophylaxis is not a common thing in Nigeria like it is abroad even among two HIV negative couples



Note: I am asking u a question based on ur comment....I’m just curious about the validity of ur claims

.i do not care how anyone chooses to seek sexual pleasure...it’s not my business...

I’m 100% against sending gay people to jail,
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 5:03pm On Oct 24, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
You guys don't know the meaning of the word condemnation!
It simply means planning to do away with such a person! But as true Christians we tolerate all kinds of people, that's why we do have friendly chats with them at work and even going to their homes to visit them.
Someone who condemns you will never listen to whatever you want to say, talkless reasoning with you.
So if you're a homosexual feel free to chat with me anytime, we can discuss on what could lead to troubles in the future even if we are not seeing it now.
If you are honest sincere and truthful, you know that you condemn, the lifestyle of two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, dont you.

Or are you going to say here that you are happy for two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, hmm, lmso?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't understand where the confusion is when i tell you there is a limit to where our friendship could reach. I will not force you to become my intimate friend so i believe you too should simply accept me as the well-meaning neighbour living next to you who feels it's OK to be your neighbour that's all! grin
You cant understand because for the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, which is why intimacy, is the highlight of your thoughts.

Intimacy will always be on the card, whether you're dealing with heterosexual/homosexual person, however sexual intimacy can be be on the table, if you and the other heterosexual/homosexual person is already involved with someone nah, so what brought on, you considering "intimacy" which ordinarily is a given, as opposed to sexual intimacy, to be on the table, huh?
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 5:05pm On Oct 24, 2020
coolsegun2002:
School me please...

1)How are gay people restricted from moving?
I’m not aware gay or heterosexual people have a tag they carry around to identify their sexual orientation...

2)if there’s truly a restriction, How will the free movement reduce fight among couples, hence, divorce/ failed marriage rate ?

3)please whats the statistics of teen suicide in Nigeria....and how is it related to this free movement claim of urs

4)Are u aware that two HIV negative couples still take pre-exposure prophylaxis... so how valid is ur claim that gay marriage will automatically reduce HIV spread considering that pre-exposure prophylaxis is not a common thing in Nigeria like it is abroad even among two HIV negative couples

Note: I am asking u a question based on ur comment....I’m just curious about the validity of ur claims

.i do not care how anyone chooses to seek sexual pleasure...it’s not my business...

I’m 100% against sending gay people to jail
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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by coolsegun2002: 5:07pm On Oct 24, 2020
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Kobojunkie: 5:22pm On Oct 24, 2020
feedthenation:
There's God's standard and there's human standard --- everyone knows which is the correct one but because of societal pressures, things are being accepted against the norm.
According to God's standard, set for you by Jesus Christ about 2000 years ago, you were never to condemn anyone, to begin with. Jesus Christ was clear that He came to save, and not to condemn anyone. Those who follow Him know to do as He did, and not as the world suggested.

That your Catholic clergy are finally catching up to that standard, not out of the realization of what God had commanded almost 2000 years ago, but because the rest of the world is ready to move on from all the "hate" against people of a different orientation, should help you see that your church was never really of God, but of the world, as it was at the beginning, over 1700 years ago.

The decision has always been for you to decide whether you serve other men, through their many churches and doctrines, or God through the obedience of His direct commands to you.

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Kobojunkie: 5:25pm On Oct 24, 2020
WoundedLamb:
Nice one. People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.
Do you think the life and lot of those who are different from you will always be controlled by those of you who have set yourselves as bullies over your fellow men, pretending you do so in the name of God? undecided
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:33pm On Oct 24, 2020
MuttleyLaff:

You already know Jehovah's Witnesses that we don't condemn people who share different opinion from our own. All we try to do is make more friends around us by searching for people who may love to join us in worshiping our own God. If you say "NO" we will not hate you like radical religionsists do, we only know the limit to which we can go with you regarding friendship!

So if your own God accepts worship from homosexuals it's OK, mine will never accept such, that's why you and i must part ways whenever it's time for sacred services! smiley

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Lightangel65: 5:49pm On Oct 24, 2020
I am with this priest before religion, sexual orientation, colour of skin everyone is first a human being and we should treat them the way we like to be treated.

Muslims stop killing christains who have done nothing wrong to you.

Christains and muslims stop beating up and killing homosexuals who did nothing wrong to you.

God is merciful and the God and jesus i know personally wont discriminate between anyone he would take everyone close try to save the broken ones and love even the deepest of sinners like his children.

This is to a better Nigeria. Homosexuals should not be jailed or treated like second rate humans, they are humans and would face the consequences of their actions from their maker not humans like us who can't make life. You would be supprised when gay people would enter heaven before us who think we are serving God.

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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:59pm On Oct 24, 2020
The real problem is not about how dangerous they are in person!
Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information, every human has a measure of this as long as their brain is functioning.
But Wisdom is the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of accumulated information which is put to good use for lasting BENEFITS . I'm sorry only true Christians possess this!
Homosexuals could argue that they're peaceful, law-abiding, harmless, caring and responsible in the society. But let's look at the future of homosexuality!
Two persons of same sex can't bear children so they'll have to adopt or undergo costly surgeries to bear children, meaning if two persons (same sex) feel like getting married but they're poor then they'll have to do whatever it takes to become rich in other to meet up with certain things that ordinary rat in my house can do (mating and reproducing) So there will be tension in the society as they're trying to get rich at all cost!

Secondly children born to them may find it hard to understand why they're both same sex and how they're able to born him, meaning right from childhood they have to start inculcating in the mind of the child that getting rich is the source of their happiness. Such child will definitely become greedy for wealth because that's the only thing he knew could by him happiness. More tension in the society!

Since it's God who condemns the act and they're now legalizing it, it simply means God's standard is dying in the society and sooner many things people feel remorse about will be taken as normal when homosexuals and lesbians gets to top position and start setting standards in the society!

There are many things that will go wrong but because many choose short-sightedness on this matter they can't see beyond their noses. Surely God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah will not allow them for long before he comes to exterminate them the same way he did back then. All we have to do is warn them before the time comes and stay away from them to make it clear to them that our God detests what they're doing! smiley


WoundedLamb:

Nice one. People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 6:41pm On Oct 24, 2020
Hope you know black slaves freeing themselves from captivity was once regarded as a mental illness?
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 6:42pm On Oct 24, 2020
coolsegun2002:
What’s funny??
Dont take life too seriously, and fyi, its good to funny ha-ha
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 6:42pm On Oct 24, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
You already know Jehovah's Witnesses that we don't condemn people who share different opinion from our own.
Are you happy for two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, hmm are you?

MaxInDHouse:
All we try to do is make more friends around us by searching for people who may love to join us in worshiping our own God. If you say "NO" we will not hate you like radical religionsists do, we only know the limit to which we can go with you regarding friendship!
Would you accept two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, fellowship with you?

MaxInDHouse:
So if your own God accepts worship from homosexuals it's OK, mine will never accept such, that's why you and i must part ways whenever it's time for sacred services! smiley
What verse(s) does your own God and particular the one and only true God, says they dont accept worship from two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, hmm?
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by coolsegun2002: 6:45pm On Oct 24, 2020
BeLookingIDIOT:
Hope you know black slaves freeing themselves from captivity was once regarded as a mental illness?

Proof of this ??
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by coolsegun2002: 6:47pm On Oct 24, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Dont take life too seriously, and fyi, its good to funny ha-ha


Really, I’m taking life too serious.??..... was his statement a joke??
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 7:00pm On Oct 24, 2020
coolsegun2002:
Really, I’m taking life too serious.??.....
Why you asked me for what's funny, if you aren't taking life too seriously then

coolsegun2002:
... was his statement a joke??
You made a joke of his statement with your request and questioning nah
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02pm On Oct 24, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Are you happy for two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, hmm are you?
If i'm happy that chickens, cat fish and rabits are increasing in my farm surely i shouldn't feel bad seeing humans like me living their lives too! Mark 12:31 grin

Would you accept two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, fellowship with you?
Of course i'll accept them as neighbours just as i accept all other kinds of people around me and treat them as such but i only worship (render sacred service) in the midst of fellow believers who share the same line of thought with me! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10 compare to Psalms 1:1-3

What verse(s) does your own God and particular the one and only true God, says they dont accept worship from two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, hmm?
It's my own God that says i should keep a distance from homosexuals, so left for me you can live as long as you wish but if my God is the one who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, then know that you're not safe whenever he comes with his judgment! Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:27; 1Corinthians 6:9; Galatians 5:19 smiley
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by coolsegun2002: 7:05pm On Oct 24, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Why you asked me for what's funny, if you aren't taking life too seriously then

You made a joke of his statement with your request and questioning nah

Made a joke out of his statement?? That wasn’t my intention....I didn't understand his claims .... and I just wanted to see it from the angle he was seeing it from....
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by AkinwaleJJ(f): 7:26pm On Oct 24, 2020
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MuttleyLaff :

Whats there to condemn in two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected from any other children of God to do, huh?
Mr, lmso, confused dot com as usual.
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:31pm On Oct 24, 2020
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Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Lightangel65: 7:34pm On Oct 24, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
Hmmm, so you're homosexual!
No wonder you always argue pointlessly just to misconstrue everything
Thanks to Jehovah and Jesus Christ for separating his people during this end time!
How would normal people find marriage mates if most males are homosexuals and most females are lesbians?
The us still find lots of people to marry and divorce.
God is the one the gays have to answer to not us men
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by Prettygirl27: 8:16pm On Oct 24, 2020
The priest had a lovely and objective view to homosexuality and homosexual marriage. When I read Romans 1, homosexuality is product of a degraded mind, what the scientists term 'mental disorder'. St. Paul speaks of homosexuality, either as a cause or effect, as an indication that the society rejects the knowledge of God. So, only the propagation of the word of God can restore this anomaly to what is right.

Homosexuality is a sin; but the homosexual is one of God's creation, whom He sent Jesus to die for. The homosexual is only answerable to God since God is the judge of all flesh. Did not the Bible say, "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."? (Hebrew.13:4). So why do we judge things we don't fully understand? Though St.Paul says God's decree for those who practice homosexuality is death, but death by whose hands? But it is also God's righteous decree for everyone to come to repentance; so the liars among us have the same privilege as homosexuals - we have an access to God's love.

If those who are preachers of God's word refuse to make knowledge of God clearer and undiluted; if they withhold their zeal from correcting the wrongs in the society, which usually are the causes of homosexuality, because the earnest expectation of all creation waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God, and they refuse to manifest, then they are to blame.

The pope has said nothing wrong; and those who have an issue with understanding what he said, should look into their lives and if they find their righteousness to be the same as God's, let them cast their stones at the Pope and homosexuals.
Re: Yes, No One Should Condemn A Homosexual — Nigerian Catholic Priest Advises by MuttleyLaff: 8:19pm On Oct 24, 2020
WoundedLamb:
Nice one. People shouldn't be discriminated based on who there are. Nobody is a second class citizen. Allowing gay people to move around freely will reduce failed marriages and teen suicide rate. Allowing them get married will reduce disease spread.

MaxInDHouse:
The real problem is not about how dangerous they are in person!
What exactly is the problem in two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to from any other children of God to do, hmm?

What danger do two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to from any other children of God to do, pose to you or anyone else for that matter?

MaxInDHouse:
Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information, every human has a measure of this as long as their brain is functioning.
But Wisdom is the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of accumulated information which is put to good use for lasting BENEFITS. I'm sorry only true Christians possess this!
What a truck full load of codswallop. Was the father of Computing Alan Turing, a true Christian? Was the Albert Einstein, a true Christian? Is Leo Varadkar, the last former Irish Prime Minister, a true Christian? Were Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo and Van Gogh, true Christians?

MaxInDHouse:
Homosexuals could argue that they're peaceful, law-abiding, harmless, caring and responsible in the society. But let's look at the future of homosexuality!
Two persons of same sex can't bear children so they'll have to adopt or undergo costly surgeries to bear children, meaning if two persons (same sex) feel like getting married but they're poor then they'll have to do whatever it takes to become rich in other to meet up with certain things that ordinary rat in my house can do (mating and reproducing) So there will be tension in the society as they're trying to get rich at all cost!
The non-discrimination future of homosexuality is just the same as when heterosexual couples, who can't bear children, having options to consider adopting or undergo costly IVF or surrogacy treatments to bear children, meaning if two persons (same sex) feel like getting married but they're poor then they'll not have to do whatever it takes to become rich in other to meet up with certain things that ordinary rat in your house can do (mating and reproducing) and so there will be no tension in the society as they won't be trying to get rich at all cost, as you've with prejudice badly painted up same sex attraction couples, and making matters worse, going so low in the gutter, to be comparing same sex attraction couple (i.e. homosexual/lesbians) with the ordinary rat in your house angry angry angry

Does the ordinary rat in your house aside its mating and reproducing, do anymore distinct things like consciously be committed, faithful, loyal, kind, caring and love to another rat until death do them part, hmm, like as if they are two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to from any other children of God to do, erhn?

Does the ordinary rat in your house aside its mating and reproducing, have the capability to form a relationship with God? Does the ordinary rat in your house aside its mating and reproducing, have the capability to worship God like two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to from any other children of God to do, hmm?

MaxInDHouse:
Secondly children born to them may find it hard to understand why they're both same sex and how they're able to born him, meaning right from childhood they have to start inculcating in the mind of the child that getting rich is the source of their happiness. Such child will definitely become greedy for wealth because that's the only thing he knew could by him happiness. More tension in the society!
What a ridiculous comment to make

Anyway, just as I thought, that the brain, as far as you're concerned, is an ornament to decorate your body and head with, and so, you've come to the terms that, you are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift, for no purpose, for no reason(s), not even for such a time(s) as this/these, to use it.

Fyi, science, happily will provide any half a brain, interested parties with the knowledge, information and fact(s) to understand

MaxInDHouse:
Since it's God who condemns the act and they're now legalizing it, it simply means God's standard is dying in the society and sooner many things people feel remorse about will be taken as normal when homosexuals and lesbians gets to top position and start setting standards in the society!
Show me the verse(s) where God, says He condemns two consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, love for each other, and be in a faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but exuding the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to from any other children of God to do

MaxInDHouse:
There are many things that will go wrong but because many choose short-sightedness on this matter they can't see beyond their noses. Surely God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah will not allow them for long before he comes to exterminate them the same way he did back then. All we have to do is warn them before the time comes and stay away from them to make it clear to them that our God detests what they're doing! smiley
"14And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
15Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
- Matthew 10:14-15

Sodom and Gomorrah was pencilled for destruction way right ahead before the angels came in to town. God had already earmarked Sodom and Gomorrah to be destroyed because of being unfriendly and unwelcoming towards strangers long before the angels ever set foot in town. This was proven by the severely harsh treatment the angels were subjected to by unrestrained promiscuous men of Sodom and Gomorrah with their unbridled lust for strange flesh, of going after the angels

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in Matthew 10:14-15, even confirms, that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, was about the town, not be renowned for hospitality. Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ never nor once, mentioned nor associated sexual sin with Sodom and Gomorrah, but He drew a special attention to mentioning inhospitality and associating Sodom and Gomorrah's with it.

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