achorladey:


I expect you would have insist they DEFINE what FORM or NATURE means. You never can tell what will come up.

achorladey:


Don't you read between lines?
If I say - Man is a natural being, I am right.
If I say - A lion is a natural being, I am right.

What then, is the Lion a human?
No!

Natural being - Lion, Tiger, Snake, and more

Do you copy?

39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.


Spirit being - The Divine (Eloi of course), Angelic creature, spiritual man!

40. THERE ARE HEAVENLY BODIES

Is this not the info you are passing across?

achorladey:
Okay, in what sense does " Is spirit " qualifies the noun at John 3:6 and John 4:24 , what does it reveal about the noun?

@ Blabbermouth I was following when this was asked and I was

You asked initially the barrister what is SPIRIT Falls into previously have you asked NOW?

A. NOUN or

B ADJECTIVE.

I don't know if my eyes dey based on the first 3 lines in bold.

achorladey:


You know this NOUN and ADJECTIVE thing made the whole discussion Interesting.

I was surprised you didn't ask the barrister when he stated the below

Okay, in what sense does " Is spirit " qualifies the noun at John 3:6 and John 4:24 , what does it reveal about the noun.


Did he agree that the IS SPIRIT is

A. Adjective

B. Noun

Which one?

Because it is on that premise the discussion spiral into FORM/NATURE

Blabbermouth:

In your words, you always sound like a baby JW. So I always prefer to be soft with you.
Barristter07 knows where we were coming from, that's why he's trying so hard to scrap up the shards he was the cause of.

livingchrist:
demons are spirits but do they possess same nature as Jehovah?

Emusan:


After you've been schooled...olodo!

But there is only ONE HOPE for every believers.

livingchrist:
all these crap for a simple question?
The first resurrection only involves those that were killed for Christ and those that did not accept the mark of the beast.




So according to you only those who are resurrected as Spirit beings will have everlasting life right?
The rest will be resurrected as flesh which can still die right?
Which means some Christians will have eternal life but some will not have, right?



You dont know what you have just gotten into, it seems you are taking something or you need to take something.


How do you reconcil your redicoulus statement with what Jesus said

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

You cant stop churning up lies can you? Where did you see Spirit resurrection in the bible?


Lie, lie It is clearly stated that the rest dead wont be resurrected until the thousand years are over.

How does life we are living now concern the 1000 years of Christ reign?

The simple question is who are the rest of the dead?

You said dead cannot be judged for the past actions right?

Jozzy4:


One hope , the hope of everlasting life . But two ressurection . Open your senses

Some enjoy this hope as spirit sons (John 3:6, 1Pet 1:4) , others as human sons (Revelation 21:3,4)

Meanwhile the focus of this thread is on the spirit sons, as their nature tells us what body Jesus have after ressurection.

achorladey:


So according to you only those who are resurrected as Spirit beings will have everlasting life right?
The rest will be resurrected as flesh which can still die right?
Which means some Christians will have eternal life but some will not have, right?


The remaining Christian that are not part of the 144,000 share same hope with numerous other people not Christians like one of them put it SECOND RESURRECTION (believers and unbelievers {UNRIGHTEOUS DEAD} that will be given second CHANCE

Yes, the remaining Christians not part of the 144,000 can still DIE after the 1000 year reign of JESUS

Won't it be a privilege to teach people like Moses and Abraham the good news about Jesus when they are resurrected back on earth

You never see anything . Everything is planned out based on SPECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS just consult their favorite website for more DIGEST.

achorladey:




One hope of NEVER TO DIE AGAIN......144,000

another

one hope of THREAT OF DYING AFTER 1000 years

How is it same hope?

Note: according to you OPONU ni mi

Jozzy4:


One hope , the hope of everlasting life . But two ressurection . Open your senses

Some enjoy this hope as spirit sons (John 3:6, 1Pet 1:4) , others as human sons (Revelation 21:3,4)

Meanwhile the focus of this thread is on the spirit sons, as their nature tells us what body Jesus have after ressurection.

Blabbermouth:

I insisted, but I realized barrister likes playing on his own turf. If I were pushing my own opinion, I might have chose to back down since it's his turf.
Fortunately, na truth dey my mouth, in darkness, in light, in the spirit realm, in the solar realm, on his turf or wherever, I knew he will never be able to gainsay.

To be honest, I start every time with the pure intention to edify and be edified, what do they pay me back with? A recorded voice message.

So, I just decided to go on. Just as you said, someone silently reading might me blessed with it.

Blabbermouth:
To be honest, one thing many fail to cross check when pitching tents on doctrines is - Implications!

You don't just erroneously say - this is what this scripture is talking about. When you see other scripture against your interpretation, you say it is symbolic! It is not so, the lexicon actually says it's something else!

After thrashing out other scriptures to peddle an erroneous implication, you come out and call yourself true bible students.
Yet, the implication of one of your doctrine makes you equal with God.

There was this day we discussed on Hell fire. After seeing one or two points by different party, I said to myself, let me go back to God and hear him clear.
[For the first time, I so much wished JW were at least right in that matter]

Another error - You don't start from bilal and end with Jesus. You ought to start from Jesus and end with the others. You will never miss it!

I started getting irritated at that point where you will say - Jesus said they will gnash teeth and burn.
Then someone runs to Old testament and say - No! Jesus was drunk, God doesn't think of those things.
Then you ask them, what was Jesus saying then? They tell you, sit down and eat whatever dog shit we interpret from Christ's literal words.

Kobojunkie had maximus by his throat, I expected something sensible but all Maximus could utter was something similar to - You can't take Christ literally in that case, learn from someone that ate bread with Jesus, I.e. Peter.

I read the words of Peter which Maximus referenced and realized Peter was never even in any way importing a new meaning into Christ's literal words.

Blabbermouth:

Previous experiences taught me never to over press them like Liverpool. I did it with Haddeylium and we all saw how he came back here to say something like - I said "they will only be like" that day because your (my) comprehension level is low. The real thing is "they will become pure angelic creatures", but your brain cannot comprehend my explanation - I just weak.

So, when I saw " Okay" as Barrister's sentence starter, I just assumed that he now concurs that to be an ADJECTIVE.

Blabbermouth:
To be honest, one thing many fail to cross check when pitching tents on doctrines is - Implications

You don't just erroneously say - this is what this scripture is talking about. When you see other scripture against your interpretation, you say it is symbolic! It is not so, the lexicon actually says it's something else!

After thrashing out other scriptures to peddle an erroneous implication, you come out and call yourself true bible students.
Yet, the implication of one of your doctrine makes you equal with God.

There was this day we discussed on Hell fire. After seeing one or two points by different party, I said to myself, let me go back to God and hear him clear.
[For the first time, I so much wished JW were at least right in that matter]

Another error - You don't start from bilal and end with Jesus. You ought to start from Jesus and end with the others. You will never miss it!

I started getting irritated at that point where you will say - Jesus said they will gnash teeth and burn.
Then someone runs to Old testament and say - No! Jesus was drunk, God doesn't think of those things.
Then you ask them, what was Jesus saying then? They tell you, sit down and eat whatever dog shit we interpret from Christ's literal words.

Kobojunkie had maximus by his throat, I expected something sensible but all Maximus could utter was something similar to - You can't take Christ literally in that case, learn from someone that ate bread with Jesus, I.e. Peter.

I read the words of Peter which Maximus referenced and realized Peter was never even in any way importing a new meaning into Christ's literal words.

achorladey:


You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.


28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus

So how come some are still sons of human or as you put it human sons

I bet you are trying to COIN it or something like that


However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God

livingchrist:

two hopes, they are just block heads

MaxInDHouse:


So all i am saying is
There must be a GROUP where the qualities of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} is working fine just as many of you will love to move to countries where things are working fine for their average citizens
I have found that GROUP that's why i left the one i formerly associate with to become a dedicated member of this GROUP, just as most of you will do if given the opportunity to become a citizen in Canada or USA due to the condition of things there. I know it's not easy to leave families, friends and loved ones for a better destination but that will not deter 90% of Nigerian youth from saying "Goodbye to Nigeria" therefore all these arguments you are putting up just to say "there is no religious group with a fair setting where all lovers of God can grow spiritually, mentally and physically in LOVE, JOY and PEACE indicates that the love for the TRUTH is not in you!

MaxInDHouse:
Once beaten twice shy!
Your double response to a single post shows how deeply touched you are in the heart with that post!
So continue deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:


God's word clearly stated that in Christianity there is what is called "UNDESERVED KINDNESS" or "GRACE" this was never mentioned in connection with servants of God in pre-christian times.
Well this is because all those people were declared righteous based on their fine works {James 2:21} it's Faith in Christ that makes the born again Christians partakers in the first resurrection {Revelations 20:6} none of those who live or served God before John the baptist qualifies to be part of this {Matthew 11:11} it was after John the baptist that the door to become part of the first resurrection was made open {Matthew 11:12} but what God had in stock for all obedient mankind is the same ONE HOPE
EVERLASTING LIFE! John 3:16
Just as most of our forefathers lived before the advent of colonial masters (like the Israelites who served God before the coming of Christ) many also lived during the time when the white came to colonize Nigeria (like when Jesus came to preach about his father's government) many are also living today after Independence when power now belongs to those trained by the white men (like after Jesus' ascension when many became born again to rule with Christ)
But one thing brings all these people under one umbrella People of the Niger Area(Nigerians)
So whether you lived before the white men came, during there era or after Independence, you are a Nigerian! What makes most of you think heaven is where life will be is obvious today, only those connected to the government are enjoying all the goodies. But God's kingdom will not be like that Sir, those going to rule with Jesus in heaven will work as our ministers, doing everything they can to make sure that life is sweet for all their subjects on planet Earth, in other words they are going to heaven in order to SERVE us! Matthew 20:25-27
Those who become part of the ruling team have a price to pay before they were called to that setting! Mark 10:38 compared to Revelations 20:4
Those who will become citizens under God's kingdom here on earth also have a price to pay before they could be ushered in to live on Paradise earth! Revelations 7:13-17
So don't think there is any easy entry, both those going to heaven to rule with Christ and those who will live as citizens under that government (kingdom) will have to prove that they are worthy of everlasting life! Luke 13:24

Thanks and God bless you!

Blabbermouth:

While some say I belong to Paul and others say I belong to Apollos, are ye yet not carnal?

It's okay Maximus. But know this, it is better that there is no mediator between you and Christ, Men FAIL AND FALL INTO ERROR A LOT (Your Group as well as the other groups) but Christ NEVER FALLS IN ERROR, this is where your confidence should lie.

MaxInDHouse:


Christ himself chose Apostles out of disciples so there are mediators between the congregation and Christ otherwise Jesus would have called all his followers disciples and not select some as Apostles.
Of course those Apostles aren't perfect yet Jesus said "whatever you bind or loose on earth will be same in heaven" {Matthew 16:19} Jesus himself commissioned Christianity that way, i believe Jesus still behaves the same today {Hebrew 13:8} so there can be orderliness! 1Corinthians 14:33,40
There has never been a time when God left his worship without proper arrangement, you can pray to God directly on personal issues but when it comes to worship it must be well arranged so that false worship could be stamped out!
That's the importance of identifying the GROUP practicing pure worship Sir!

achorladey:


You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.


28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus

So how come some are still sons of human or as you put it human sons

I bet you are trying to COIN it or something like that


However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God

achorladey:




One hope of NEVER TO DIE AGAIN......144,000

another

one hope of THREAT OF DYING AFTER 1000 years.........many other Christian not part of the 144,000 aka the GREAT CROWD of OTHER SHEEP

How is it same hope?

Note: according to you OPONU ni mi

livingchrist:
so if you have the nature of a Human being does that not make you a human being?
If Jehovah has same nature with Angels what does that make him? Clown

Blabbermouth:

Spot on!
If they understood that Man has a Spirit in him, they won't have become a laughing stock.

Blabbermouth:

The function of apostles is not to mediate between the Church and Christ!
Apostles lay foundations, plant Ekklesia but they don't mediate!

Paul corrected that Error when those babes wanted to fall under different Apostle's umbrella, and segregate themselves from the rest.
Christ cannot be divided!

There is nothing like segregating yourself and saying - we are the only one being fed. We belong to Barnabas.

Maximus, I do hope your years are young, you will see what An Ekklesia can do, and how much light they can radiate (collectively and individuall when they are one and under the same Lord - Christ Jesus.

Blabbermouth:

The form. By implication of the form, it influences the nature too.

When you are born by the Spirit, you as man now have this spirit that is alive unto God.


Because you now have the Spirit of Christ abiding in you which is the Spirit of God's nature (who he is), you are changed in out in your nature, from a carnal man (subjected to the power of death) to a spiritual man ( A slave of God's own nature). [The implication on the nature]

Blabbermouth


Because you now have the Spirit of Christ abiding in you which is the Spirit of God's nature (who he is), you are changed in out in your nature, from a carnal man (subjected to the power of death) to a spiritual man ( A slave of God's own nature). [The implication on the nature]

Blabbermouth:

I insisted, but I realized barrister likes playing on his own turf. If I were pushing my own opinion, I might have chose to back down since it's his turf.
Fortunately, na truth dey my mouth, in darkness, in light, in the spirit realm, in the solar realm, on his turf or wherever, I knew he will never be able to gainsay.

To be honest, I start every time with the pure intention to edify and be edified, what do they pay me back with? A recorded voice message.

So, I just decided to go on. Just as you said, someone silently reading might me blessed with it.