MaxInDHouse:


The NEW heaven and earth are not literal!

According to the promises of God the earth will remain forever {Genesis 8:21-22 compare to Psalms 78:69, 104:5, 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4}
Note how Revelations 21:1 presented the riddle "And i saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heavens and the former earth have passed away and the sea is no more"

"the sea" there connotes crooked minded, and devious individuals who don't want any specific code of conduct to be upheld, so God's word says they're tossed about like the waves of the sea! Isaiah 57:20

So whenever we read anything that sounds different from God's original purpose in the beginning later in the scriptures, we know that it's part of those things God promised to say in symbolic terms so only the wise will decipher. Daniel 12:10

If you wish to know the interpretation of the symbolic heaven and earth you can contact any of JWs in your neighbourhood, my brothers and sisters will feel obliged to help you!

Emusan:


This is verse 47 "The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

So the SECOND MAN is HEAVENLY

Verse 43 "These ugly and weak bodies will become beautiful and strong."

Here it is the same PHYSICAL BODY that will become SPIRITUAL BODY

Every believers will have the same RESURRECTION as that of Christ! That's the truth from the scripture!

Barristter07:
What is God's nature ? Flesh or Spirit . To take Jesus words to his apostles literally is to cancel out Jesus having divine nature.

Again think about that verse , it says *She didn't know who he was* ... Its too big a word, Jesus materialized . Not the appearance she know.

shadeyinka:

Point of correction. You should say "I agree with the scriptures that we will live forever on earth as the Scripture teaches.." Of course, it's a new heaven and a new earth. The Scripture didn't say we won't be able to go to heaven either, for we'll possess a glorified body which like Christ's after resurrection can move from earth directly to heaven.

Emusan:


God is a spirit!

Jesus proved beyond doubt that HE HAS A FLESH AND BONES which you agree with but said it's just a MATERIALIZED BODY.

So Jesus resurrected with a BODY.



Not IDENTIFICATION BUT THE VERY PERSON JESUS WAS!

Scripture says "37 They were frightened and terrified because they thought they were seeing a ghost." Why would Jesus lie that He isn't a ghost?

Since that is what the disciples THOUGHT appeared to them.

You're still confused!

Mary was crying is a fact from the scripture

Jesus called her name is also a fact from the scripture.

So Mary couldn't even recognize Jesus even by their conversation UNTIL JESUS mentioned her name!

This is a sign that there's a distance inbtw them.



What is wide distance to you?

So people at 50m apart can't hear themselves audibly when talking, O ma se oooo!

The point I'm making here is that, Mary was crying at that time and Jesus called her name!

Another possible of not close is when Mary wanted to touch Jesus and Jesus told her not to do so! If Mary was very close to Jesus, she would have grabbed Him immediately but Jesus could have seen her running towards where He was.



Stop disgracing yourself by simply apply for English class.



because she was CRYING and there must have been a distance between them. Didn't Jesus first talk to her?

Why she didn't recognize Jesus at that first conversation?

Barristter07:
"from heaven " ... Referring to when he came as a man. Doesn't in anyway said he is still one

Physical bodies are not beautiful and strong, do you know how many people were called beautiful or strong in the Bible ?? Very weak

Spiritual is not physical ...

That which is spiritual is in opposition to physical... Not the same . But opposite

You are still claiming Jesus was ressurected as a physical person as long as you claim flesh and bones, this are physical . That's not what the scripture says.

First ressurection precisely, they will become Spirit beings. Just like Jesus.

What is born of spirit is what ?

yeye dey smell

Emusan:


See lie!

Let's look at the verse closely by your understanding

"The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven"

We can see the comparison BTW the two

"MADE OF DUST..."
So you agree that the SECOND MAN wasn't MADE OF DUST?

Who says the physical bodies are BEAUTIFUL AND STRONG?

Verse 43 is still there for you to restle with.

It is the PHYSICAL BODY that will be CHANGE TO SPIRITUAL BODY which means EMPOWERED by the Spirit to be beautiful and strong.



Sure! That's why the physical body will be TRANSFORMED TO THAT SPIRIT BODY

Jesus resurrected with a GLORIFIED BODY

So are you saying people who Jehovah will resurrected on earth will not have PHYSICAL BODIES BUY SPIRITUAL BODIES?

Now if flesh and bones are physical, does that mean it will weak, ugly and decay after resurrection?

You must shot yourself in the foot today!




There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for all believers!

If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection." Romans 6:5 NWT



Is spirit and what is born of the flesh is flesh!

What is your point?

Barristter07:
Spirit does not have flesh. So if Jesus is flesh and bones truly by nature. He is not having God's nature.

Now you will know the true meaning of It's an identification not nature.

See where lies led you, see the various lies you are spitting cos you are already caged. To defend a lie, more lies are truly needed.

Mary SAW the person ... But didn't know who he was.]/quote]

Another delusion!

Even at 2km, human eyes can still see things and people.

[quote]That alone kill all your ideas. What Mary saw is not the body he always know. He was totally ignorant until He said "Mary " . Was he blind all this while ?? See ehn, stop mocking yourself

Emusan:


Jesus is still in glorified body of human nature which is the nature every one will possess at resurrection. This is the example that Christ sets forth for the hope of resurrection.




Stop giving your name to another person.

You're a liar here!

Barristter07:
Exactly why he is not flesh. Flesh and bones are dust . Adam have them too.

This transform thing always got me laughing to be transformed means their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus. Dust you are and to dust you shall return.

So those bodies are not getting decayed ?? Or else this transformation thing is useless.

Spirit body .. wow, now you got the point. A spirit body is not flesh and bones.

If what is born of Spirit is Spirit.... Co rulers with Jesus whom are born again, will become Spirit beings just like him.

Like the heavenly one , so are those who are heavenly .

Finally.

Barristter07:
If Jesus statement refer to nature and not identification , like you opined. It means Jesus doesn't have God's nature. God by nature is a Spirit being.

I already told you the nature those born of spirit will have . Spirit beings

The case of Mary, you are just wasting your time , He clearly didn't know Who he was despite seeing the person. Not the face she was used to

Emusan:


You can see how your lying mouth is exposed now!

But you said that was before he comes to earth which is the reason verse 48 doesn't have the word MAN, so if Jesus is not flesh and bones and he was still called HEAVENLY MAN

You're confused, find somewhere to sit.

Now you've shot yourself in the legs.

@underlined is the actual point, their bodies won't rot like that of Jesus Christ.

Before resurrection the "Dust you are to dust you shall return" after resurrection "the Dust will be glorified" instead of weak it'll be strong, instead of rot it'll be immortal.

So it's still the same body.



It won't decay like first again after being glorified.

The resurrection body of human is still in flesh and bones.

So what will BORN THE PEOPLE WHO WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH?

Don't dodge this question!

Romans 6:5 we have the same death as that of Christ so we'll have the same resurrection as He is.

Emusan:


Jesus statement at that time clearly show who He was: "for spirits don't have flesh and bones as you see me have"

After you've disgraced yourself of common fact about life.

A person crying can't see clearly
At 2km a human eyes can still see things.

Barristter07:


Yeah that means he isn't Spirit being na, he doesn't have God's nature. clap for yourself.



Did it say he didn't see clearly ? ...the verse said Mary SAW the person. It didn't say didn't see him clearly .


U are a fraud, Crying doesn't stop you from seeing those close to you .

Didn't know who he was ... that's too big . The one Mary saw has a different Face. She even concluded the stranger is a Gardener.

Emusan God in the flesh radarada hits the rock, scatter yakata.

Mr LIENUS since 19gbidigbidi

Depsui:
Jesus Christ resurrected in flesh. But it was a glorified body. That's why you see it in the bible that Jesus Christ was the first one to resurrect from the dead. But we know that lazarus and some other people were raised from the dead.

What differentiates the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the others was that He resurrected with a glorified body.

The glorified body is like a combination of flesh and Spirit. On the last day, every Christian that makes heaven will also take on this glorified body. It is with this glorified body that we will be able to live forever.

MuttleyLaff:

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nencounter10:


Johovah witnesses are a joke. Every scripture is symbolic to them even it it obvious to all that they are not

MightySparrow:
Are all spirits of thesame kind of bodies?

Barristter07:
Yeah that means he isn't Spirit being na, he doesn't have God's nature. clap for yourself.

Did it say he didn't see clearly ? ...the verse said Mary SAW the person. It didn't say didn't see him clearly .

U are a fraud, Crying doesn't stop you from seeing those close to you .

Didn't know who he was ... that's too big . The one Mary saw has a different Face. She even concluded the stranger is a Gardener.

Barristter07:
.At least he is not Divine , he doesn't have God's nature . Clap for yourself

So how many human bodies that have been buried didn't rot ??

Paul body didn't rot too ??

U claim it won't rot the went ahead to claim Dust will be glorified, dust means it's no longer existing, Just say u meant another body not transformation ....

Anyway you already admit the new body is a Spirit body, u are not just reasonable enough to know Spirit body is not physical.

Those born of Spirit are Becoming Spirit beings.

Why are u dodging that aspect ?

Those who will live forever on Earth are not born again. With the hope of becoming spirit beings

First ressurection . Yeah they will become Spirit just as Christ.

Emusan:


Before becoming Human or after resurrection?




Resurrection has not taken place Olodo....

It's at resurrection the decaying human body will be transformed which is what Christ possessed.



Olodo buruku....

People who have died will be raised with a human glorified bodies at resurrection while people who are still alive THEIR BODY WILL BE TRANSFORMED immediately to the glorious body. THE SAME BODY AS HUMAN BUT NIW FUNCTIONING BEYOND JUST THIS DECAYING ONE.



The spirit body is still the one at resurrection get sense.



Which means the SPIRIT is the one who will born them.

Then I asked, those who will live on earth with FLESH AND BONES, who will born them?



I asked you that question which you didn't answer





So who born them?

Since those born of spirit are spirit and those BORN OF FLESH ARE FLESH.

Who is the FLESH that provided their OWN FLESH?



Everybody will become Spirit like Christ then!

livingchrist:
Jesus had flesh and bones when he resurrected, but it was a spiritual body. There is nothing like Spirit body, it does not exist in the bible.

Janosky:


Matthew 5:5 "spirits inheriting the earth forever" because 1Corinthians 15:50 Emusan wiped it out of his Bible

Emusan:


Deluded JWs has come, always saying senseless things!

The question I'm still waiting for the answer is:

Born of Spirit is Spirit

Born of Flesh is flesh

Who is the Spirit that'll born the ones to become spirit and who is the FLESH that'll born the ones becoming FLESH?

Add:

About that 1 Corin 15:50 the scripture says "Flesh and blood can't inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD"

Now the question is, does God's kingdom extend to earth or not?

nencounter10:


Johovah witnesses are a joke. Every scripture is symbolic to them even it it obvious to all that they are not

livingchrist:
Jesus had flesh and bones when he resurrected, but it was a spiritual body. There is nothing like Spirit body, it does not exist in the bible.

Janosky:

Please quote 1 Corinthians 15:44 from your own Bible. Paste it on this thread, please.

No DECEIVE yourself, Bros.

livingchrist:
why dont you do it yourself?
I repeat there is nothing like Spirit body in the bible only spiritual body.
*1
There are two types of bodies, one is natural while the other one is spiritual. Jesus body died a natural body but was raised in a spiritual body

2There is nothing like Spirit body, the bible never said spirits have body, so where is the formulation of Spirit body coming from.

*3
Jehovah witness organisation proves to be antichrist in nature because it denies Jesus is come in the flesh.

Janosky:

Question for You
1 Cor15:44 Who possess spiritual bodies?

DappaD:


The problem is that, they think the word ‘BODY’ applies to only human beings.
When in fact Jehovah, Jesus and the rest of the angels all have spirit BODIES. (John 4:24, 1Corinthians 15:40)

Janosky:


*1)
You confirmed that JWs teach what your Bible says.

Question for You
1 Cor15:44 What is the body of spirits?
*2)
Bros your FALSE claim strong gaan

*3) FALSEHOOD.
Another LYING claim.
The screenshot evidence proves you are LYING