Barristter07:


The question was asked at 10:18am , December 15 , Can ANY human see God Face and live ?

To which you replied

" Yes! After ressurection "

Which means seeing God is reserved for Glorified humans. This Prompt the question of Moses and other being glorified.



According to Jesus, No MAN has seen God at ANYTIME.



Where is it written that he put his spirit on the Elders to see his Face ?

Shebi it means no frail Man can, provide the verse .


Moses and the Elders , none of them saw his Face , the case of Moses it was specifically written that Moses saw his back

" Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. ”

The Almighty cannot lie, no man can see him and Live . His Face must not be seen by an human.

context matters alot, no man can see God's face refers to flesh and blood which moses was.

Emusan:


Yet you can't provide where I said ONLY glorified humans can see God.

My Yes! After resurrection is to your previous post where you said those in heaven can't be human since they will see God's face.

You can see how deluded and lack of simple comprehension you are now.

Silly liar , a direct question was asked, he said previous post .

Yes! Except the one the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Stephen while stoning to death saw God.

People saw God in the vision.


So the scripture was a lie when God says they will see His face when He put His Holy Spirit on them.

God isn't a liar but your deluded brain is the problem here.

Didn't Moses have the same Spirit even in larger quantity ?

" Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. " Exodus 33:11

Verse 20 , 23 ' No man can see my Face and live ! ... Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. '

What's the Usage of Face in this two context ?

To cure your delusion with the Ezekiel verse.

Yes no man can see God's face and live but God can reveal Himself to who ever He wants.

Many people saw God in a vision, at least you can't deny that.

Since no man can see his Face and live, God won't reveal his Face to any man. This is why Moses can only see his back.

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

Why did you edit this post nah!

So you just feel like arguing with JWs!

You said "Yes man can see God and live"

The point is "no man can see God and live" that's what the scriptures says!

But people saw God and live, isn't that also in your scripture?

livingchrist:
context matters alot, no man can see God's face refers to flesh and blood which moses was.

The enemy camp is in shambles

Emusan saying one thing, livingchrist saying another . O ma se o

All men are flesh and blood . In short , no human can see God.

Emusan:


But people saw God and live, isn't that also in your scripture?

Even after Jesus told you no man has seen him at ANYTIME

God is a liar right ?

livingchrist:

The fact is, a man lived 20 minutes without blood, one of the reason why Jesus body was glorious was because it lived without blood, the point is that if science could make it possible for human body to live for 20 minutes without blood how much more God.

It's a deadly disease called Hypothermia

livingchrist:

God was referring to the natural man not the new creation.

MAN. Comprehend ?

Barristter07:
Silly liar , a direct question was asked, he said previous post .

So where from my answer you saw "ONLY A GLORIFIED HUMANS"

you can see how you keep lying for your god


Tueh...

Didn't Moses have the same Spirit even in larger quantity ?

" Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. " Exodus 33:11

Verse 20 , 23 ' No man can see my Face and live ! ... Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. '

What's the Usage of Face in this two context ?

To cure your delusion with the Ezekiel verse.

God decides not to show His face to Moses at that time.

Didn't people see God's face in vision?

Now, it's the USAGE OF FACE in two context

Clown....

Since no man can see his Face and live, God won't reveal his Face to any man. This is why Moses can only see his back.

Yes no man can see His face and live, that's the ordinary frail man but with God chooses who He can reveal Himself to is different.

Barristter07:


Even after Jesus told you no man has seen him at ANYTIME

God is a liar right ?

Was Jesus talking about God's face or God as a whole.
Remember you provided a scripture where MOSES saw God

Go back and read Jesus statement very well to understand His point..
clown.

Barristter07:


The enemy camp is in shambles

Emusan saying one thing, livingchrist saying another . O ma se o

All men are flesh and blood . In short , no human can see God.

Jesus is a man in heaven, He is not flesh and blood and so is also all the Christians that will be resurrected, all of them will bear Jesus image.

Barristter07:


It's a deadly disease called Hypothermia

yet he was Human

Barristter07:


The enemy camp is in shambles

Emusan saying one thing, livingchrist saying another . O ma se o

All men are flesh and blood . In short , no human can see God.

That's why I will continue to say you lack simple comprehension.

Flesh and blood refer to sinful/frail nature of man.

Or you want to deny that the term "flesh and blood" wasn't used for sinful/frail man.

So we're saying the same thing, when this flesh and blood is taking over by the Spirit of God then man experiences real spiritual things.

That's why you keep reading something like "I was in the SPIRIT"; "The spirit of God carried me" from many Biblical people before they relate spiritual things we have in the Bible.

None of them achieve it through sinful/frail nature.

Emusan:


That's why I will continue to say you lack simple comprehension.


Flesh and blood refer to sinful/frail nature of man.

Or you want to deny that the term "flesh and blood" wasn't used for sinful/frail man.

So we're saying the same thing, when this flesh and blood is taking over by the Spirit of God then man experiences real spiritual things.

That's why you keep reading something like "I was in the SPIRIT"; "The spirit of God carried me" from many Biblical people before they relate spiritual things we have in the Bible.

None of them achieve it through sinful/frail nature.

Flesh and blood means human. Don't be silly,

Jesus has flesh and blood yet he was sinless. But he is Human by virtue of flesh and blood

livingchrist:
yet he was Human

Ressurection body don't have dishonor like diseases.

Emusan:


Was Jesus talking about God's face or God as a whole.
Remember you provided a scripture where MOSES saw God

Go back and read Jesus statement very well to understand His point..
clown.

Talk about God's face , no man can see it and Live.

Emusan:


So where from my answer you saw "ONLY A GLORIFIED HUMANS"

you can see how you keep lying for your god
Tueh...

God decides not to show His face to Moses at that time.

Your head is now back to how it should think, So God can speak to Moses Face to Face yet Moses isn't seeing any Face ? So what does that tell you about Face in that context and Ezekiel , not God's Face which would make any man dead.

Didn't people see God's face in vision?

Now, it's the USAGE OF FACE in two context

Clown....

Yes no man can see His face and live, that's the ordinary frail man but with God chooses who He can reveal Himself to is different.

The text didn't say No frail Man. Don't be a silly nigga

No man.

livingchrist:
Jesus is a man in heaven, He is not flesh and blood and so is also all the Christians that will be resurrected, all of them will bear Jesus image.

Every human is flesh and blood. Perfect and imperfect

So can you expatiate on the two since it's obvious that this is a contradiction?

I believe that what those people saw and spoke with were angelic creatures representing God {Genesis 18:1-15} God later revealed himself to the Christians (born again) after pouring his spirit on them {Joel 2:28; Act 2:16-18} so they were granted the wisdom to understand God far better than all those who lived before John the baptist! Matthew 11:11

So my submission "No man has ever seen God at any point in time!" John 1:18

I stand to be corrected with evidence from the scriptures!

Emusan:


But people saw God and live, isn't that also in your scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
Please no insults or abuses


Wonderful Counselor
Mighty God
Everlasting Father
Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6
So can you please present a group of people that his wonderful counsel has helped to do any of the mentioned?

I won't abuse or throw any insults upon you-I wouldn't recommend the Watchtower personality-nor would I look at the Catholic Church-every Church have their faults, either destroying the love of many-teaching and preaching false doctrine's, to either gain money or gain power to control what they call rules and regulations, traditions' they think' it needs order-all in the power of man-a system that's suit's only them used to control Christ and His followers.
Every man made system' are either corrupt-destitute-everything that concerns Christ belongs to only one organisation-they believe is the one and only true Church...
The Church needs to stand up against these wolves in sheep clothing-turn back to reading and studying the Word of God-it's not about arguments, over who's right and who's wrong-if we would just get back to the bases and believe.
{John 14:26} But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will ... The Spirit will teach you everything and will remind you of what I said while I was with you... send Him in My name--will teach you all things and remind you of everything I ... For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears.

MaxInDHouse:
Please no insults or abuses


Wonderful Counselor
Mighty God
Everlasting Father
Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6

For a man to fully measure up to all this titles he must produce a group through whom we can examine his abilities as a

Wonderful Counselor ~ who can counsel his followers to the extent of making them think alike! John 17:20-23

Mighty God ~ whose influence could be clearly seen on his followers! Matthew 5:13-16

Everlasting Father ~ whose fatherly instructions can make his children work together as one big team! John 13:34-35

Prince of Peace ~ whose subjects will never raise up weapons against anyone not to talk of killing themselves! Matthew 26:52

So can you please present a group of people that his wonderful counsel has helped to do any of the mentioned?

The underlined simply means there is nothing like a wonderful counselor!
If you want to weigh the capability of an invisible Counselor, God, Father or Prince there's no other way than considering those who are living by his counsel. Your inability to present any group is tantamount to saying Jesus' mission on this planet some 2,000 years ago is futile.

Sorry you may not be a part of any reputable group but i know that the Watchtower measure up to what could be called a well organized and orderly global group of people under a
©Wonderful Counselor
©Mighty God in their midst
©Father handling the affairs of his children
©Prince ruling his subjects wisely in PEACE

So please speak of your own house my own house (Watchtower) is orderly and well organized!

brocab:

I won't abuse or throw any insults upon you-I wouldn't recommend the Watchtower personality-nor would I look at the Catholic Church-every Church have their faults, either destroying the love of many-teaching and preaching false doctrine's, to either gain money or gain power to control what they call rules and regulations, traditions' they think' it needs order-all in the power of man-a system that's suit's only them used to control Christ and His followers.
Every man made system' are either corrupt-destitute-everything that concerns Christ belongs to only one organisation-they believe is the one and only true Church...
The Church needs to stand up against these wolves in sheep clothing-turn back to reading and studying the Word of God-it's not about arguments, over who's right and who's wrong-if we would just get back to the bases and believe.
{John 14:26} But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will ... The Spirit will teach you everything and will remind you of what I said while I was with you... send Him in My name--will teach you all things and remind you of everything I ... For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears.

MaxInDHouse:
©Prince ruling his subjects wisely in PEACE[/b]

So please speak of your own house my own house (Watchtower) is orderly and well organized!

Yeah l have heard it all before, "another twit-that believes his/hers Church are the only chosen-and still a long way off the mark..

MaxInDHouse:
The underlined simply means there is nothing like a wonderful counselor!
If you want to weigh the capability of an invisible Counselor, God, Father or Prince there's no other way than considering those who are living by his counsel. Your inability to present any group is tantamount to saying Jesus' mission on this planet some 2,000 years ago is futile.

Sorry you may not be a part of any reputable group but i know that the Watchtower measure up to what could be called a well organized and orderly global group of people under a
©Wonderful Counselor
©Mighty God in their midst
©Father handling the affairs of his children
©Prince ruling his subjects wisely in PEACE

So please speak of your own house my own house (Watchtower) is orderly and well organized!

Ihedinobi3:


Psalms 8:5 says that angels (that is, plural) are el'ohim. Does it say that any individual angel is el'ohim?

[b]I don't believe you when you say that "el" means "mighty one". I believe that you are lying about that. [/b]Lying, I said, not mistaken, because you and I have talked a few times on this platform and you have repeated this lie every time.

The Lord Jesus called Himself "I Am" (John 8:58) which is the Name YHWH.

But, as I said, you know all this, so I know that you're a willful liar and also an abusive debater, so I have no intent to engage you beyond this point unless you say something worth responding to for the benefit of others.

Prophet Isaiah, Peter & Jesus himself says you are LYING , Matthew 12:15-18. Acts3:13 & Revelation 3:12,21.
Your fake "I am" was given his Father's throne in heaven.
Bros, go and learn.

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'al (Aramaic) 'el
The NAS Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 410 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
la shortened from (0352)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
'el TWOT - 93a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ale Noun Masculine
Definition
god, god-like one, mighty one
mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
angels
god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
God, the one true God, Jehovah
mighty things in nature
strength, power
NAS Word Usage - Total: 235
El-berith* 1, God 204, god 16, God's 2, gods 3, helpless* 1, mighty 3, Mighty One 3, power 1, strong 1."

Ihedinobi3, Pastor/Teacher LIENUS.
The Hebrew Lexicon of your preferred Bible Translation confirm you are LYING.

Blabbermouth:

In just 2 sentences, you use the word "group" 3 times. Why are y'all (that includes the others too) so fixated on this nonsense as if it is scriptural?

Isaiah 43:10-12 , Matt 12:15-18,Acts 15:7-14 "the people chosen to bear Jehovah's name, is the group.
1 Corinthians 3:23 the group belongs to Jehovah God.
The truth of the holy Scriptures.

Ihedinobi3:


Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that the Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. From where I stand, it is ridiculous in the extreme.

As for what the Lord Jesus said, He didn't say that before Abraham He was or had been, He said that before Abraham He IS. He was saying the exact same thing as He said in the burning bush to Moses --

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)

and through Paul in Hebrews --

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)

That is what I actually see in the Bible.

@ Daniel 10:13, Your Trinity mentors confirmed that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael in the Geneva Bible since 1599.
That was before your first King James Bible of 1611 came off the press.
What's amusing is the FACT that the Geneva Bible as well as king James Bible were products from the same 16th century Textus Receptus manuscript.
Translators of KJV knew about Daniel 10:13 in the Geneva Bible.


@ Hebrews 13: 8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever"- Yes.
Jesus is the son of God,his Father forever.
Revelation 3:21, Jesus said so in the spiritual realm.
Your twist of John 8:58 na GIBBERISH.
Isaiah, Matthew and Peter confirmed it..

Janosky:
@ Daniel 10:13, Your Trinity mentors confirmed that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael in the Geneva Bible since 1599.
That was before your first King James Bible of 1611 came off the press.
What's amusing is the FACT that the Geneva Bible as well as king James Bible were products from the same 16th century Textus Receptus manuscript. Translators of KJV knew about Daniel 10:13 in the Geneva Bible.

Very interesting!

This shows that 1599 Geneva Bible is accurate than your perverted NWT.

1 In [a]the [b]beginning [c]was [d]that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. John 1:1 Geneva Bible

Footnotes
John 1:1 The Son of God is of one, and the selfsame eternity or everlastingness, and of one and the selfsame essence or nature, with the Father.

Do you think the same translators who made this statement about Christ hold the same view of that Dan 10:13? Definitely you're the conehead one who didn't grab their point.

You'll see the lying liar like his father the Devil jumping from version to version now.

Emusan:


Very interesting!

This shows that 1599 Geneva Bible is accurate than your perverted NWT.

1 In [a]the [b]beginning [c]was [d]that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. John 1:1 Geneva Bible

Footnotes
John 1:1 The Son of God is of one, and the selfsame eternity or everlastingness, and of one and the selfsame essence or nature, with the Father.

Do you think the same translators who made this statement about Christ hold the same view of that Dan 10:13? Definitely you're the conehead one who didn't grab their point.

You'll see the lying liar like his father the Devil jumping from version to version now.

I give you Emusan 3 FACTS:
FACT: 1
Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Daniel 10:13, Geneva Bible ©1599.
Since 1599 Your Trinity mentors says JWs are correct.
Emusan is in sifia pains.

FACT 2.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible is many many centuries far older than ALL, I repeat, ALL your Trinitarian Bible versions of John 1:1.
.

FACT 3.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible (2nd/3rd century) & NWT have similar renditions of John 1:1.

Emusan,go & confirm this fact before your bigotry, LIENUS and anger dash you Hi BP.

Janosky:



Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Daniel 10:13, Geneva Bible ©1599.


.

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

Geneva Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdome of Persia withstoode me one and twentie dayes: but loe, Michael one of the chiefe princes, came to helpe me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

the geneva bible does not say that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael, you of course lied yet again mumu

and as footnotes and bible commentarys often differ they cannot all be God inspired
but you search for what man says that agrees with your false doctrines

in earth Christ is called Jesus, not michael
in heaven He is called the Word, not michael

Jesus is not michael one of the chief angels, Jesus is King of kings Lord of lords, Saviour of the world
He is not one of anything/one of the chiefs, Jesus created all the angels and HE created everything that is created nothing is created that He did not create:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

the Word Jesus Christ cannot be michael the angel whom He created, oh big know nothing
u full of lies and gibberish, aren't you false jw

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:

I give you Emusan 3 FACTS:
FACT: 1
Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Daniel 10:13, Geneva Bible ©1599.
Since 1599 Your Trinity mentors says JWs are correct.
Emusan is in sifia pains.

The same fact I'm giving you from Geneva Bible on John 1:1

Now, Jesus is Arch angel Michael the evidence is from GENEVA BIBLE according to the lying lie but the same Geneva Bible says [b]"and the word was God" even from Geneva Bible footnote of that John 1:1 shows Jesus is ETERNAL BEING which can't make him a created being like Michael.

FACT 2.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible is many many centuries far older than ALL, I repeat, ALL your Trinitarian Bible versions of John 1:1.
.

The idiot has ran to Sahidic Coptic Bible. Jumping from one translation to another.

But the same idiotic won't agree with the same Sahidic Coptic whenever it shows against your demonic organization.

No hiding place for you and your father the Devil.

FACT 3.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible (2nd/3rd century) & NWT have similar renditions of John 1:1.

Which makes it more accurate than your demonic translation NWT

Emusan,go & confirm this fact before your bigotry, LIENUS and anger dash you Hi BP.

[/b]

Not with hypocrite like you that I'll confirm any facts because I know your hypocrisy is height to heaven.

Tell me if you won't discard the same sahidic Coptic if it goes aaginst your demonic organization.

Janosky:

@ Daniel 10:13, Your Trinity mentors confirmed that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael in the Geneva Bible since 1599.
That was before your first King James Bible of 1611 came off the press.
What's amusing is the FACT that the Geneva Bible as well as king James Bible were products from the same 16th century Textus Receptus manuscript.
Translators of KJV knew about Daniel 10:13 in the Geneva Bible.


@ Hebrews 13: 8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever"- Yes.
Jesus is the son of God,his Father forever.
Revelation 3:21, Jesus said so in the spiritual realm.
Your twist of John 8:58 na GIBBERISH.
Isaiah, Matthew and Peter confirmed it..

Hello.

Who are "my Trinity mentors"?

I believe that you have every right to believe whatever you want. I feel sure that I have said this to you several times. If you wish to buy into the interpretations of the translators of the Geneva Bible (if those footnotes were their own production), you are free to do so, but I have trouble seeing why any of that has to be my business.

My faith is a free will choice I made. My beliefs about the Bible's teachings are my own free will choice too. I am not beholden to anyone for them. If I accept a teaching, I do so because it seems right to me depending on its consonance with the Bible. I don't accept a teaching just because I am tied to a tradition. In other words, I don't hold a Trinity position because the Geneva translators or even the KJV translators did. I have never claimed that I do. And I don't claim it now.

As for your own opinions of my teaching, you are certainly free to believe whatever you want . . . as I already said.