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Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by SmartyPants(m): 9:38am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Lawsaite: Does vicarious liability apply in criminal cases? Less talking, more reading. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by vanditijjani: 9:42am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Mynd44: They will tell us.. Is a blank bullet. 1 Like |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Oluwasaeon(m): 9:49am On Nov 20, 2020 |
stieyven:Didn't read |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Lawsaite: 9:50am On Nov 20, 2020 |
SmartyPants:Do your research and don't come here to quote me unnecessarily again, did you hear me? When I applied vicarious liability I fully understood what's involved. On whose command where the policemen acting upon? |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Nobody: 9:53am On Nov 20, 2020 |
His security convoy has license to kill, lucky there were no endsars pips around, it would have been a turkey shoot. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by SmartyPants(m): 9:56am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Lawsaite: lol. Whats your problem? Do you understand the distinction between criminal and civil matters? When you are talking about a person giving an order to shoot, that is no more vicarious liability. So did Mr. Femi give the order to shoot? Where did you get that piece of info? Abeg carry your wahala and go. I am only guiding you - if you refuse to learn that is okay by me. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Unrated900(m): 10:01am On Nov 20, 2020 |
See what the idiot says My condolences to the family Your Aids killed someone as claimed Only condolences Was expressed thunder fire you idiot |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by ignis: 10:02am On Nov 20, 2020 |
This guys didn't take any lesson from the concluded protest. 1 Like |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by tonididdy(m): 10:12am On Nov 20, 2020 |
God ... Or has the rapture occurred years ago and we are now suffering the perilous times. I can't understand the recklessness and unconsign in the Nigerian environment any more. Clearly they have us in the palms to switch off at will with no counters. What sort of A country is this? |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by babajummy50: 10:29am On Nov 20, 2020 |
I think it's wrong to say Femi is the employer of the happy trigger cop to have him take responsibility for an action Femi did not order. However, life matters as Femi acknowledged and to read his statement shows he cares even if it's feigned. The cop being investigated is to establish if the cop's action is premised on malice aforethought or lack of proper arms handling knowledge in a somewhat "hostile" environment. Let's hope justice is served |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by ststyreal(f): 10:31am On Nov 20, 2020 |
nastyesco:Funny you..... Sorry about your girlfriend, the jilt really pain you oooo, so tey you come dey write exam ontop 1 Like |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by pacespot(m): 10:34am On Nov 20, 2020 |
They will always claim that they were shooting to the air with the stray bullets killing people, the same thing army said in the lekkimassacre. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Lawsaite: 10:51am On Nov 20, 2020 |
SmartyPants: Did you just ask me about the distinction between civil and criminal cases? It seems you're out of law textbooks, it wouldn't have cost you more than a minute to Google if vicarious liability applies in Criminal cases since it seems you're too weak to consult your texts. But no, you decide to battle it out with me while spilling gibberish. Do I understand distinction between... Did Me femi give the order to shoot? . So the policemen were firing the shots for their own safety abi sake? No oo, the policemen just decided to fire shots cause I mean, they felt threatened. Try and reason like a common man |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by YoungWildFree: 10:55am On Nov 20, 2020 |
FAKE NEWS. UNKNOWN SOLDIERS HOODLUMS TERRORISTS Defend your self by all means necessary from peaceful and unarmed protesters- IGP |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by 175(m): 10:58am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Adonisteve: Okay. Yea you did. I'm just so sad about the loss of life. . .very much avoidable. Stay safe my brother! 1 Like |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by marsman: 11:20am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Lawsaite: Bla bla and blaaaah |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Theflint1(m): 11:25am On Nov 20, 2020 |
crackhaus: Someone was killed for no reason and what you thought most important was to heap praises on the person who's security detail was involved in the killing? It's a wonder the way some Nigerians think, no sense of accountability or sympathy...we deserve our leaders. 1 Like |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Babanah: 11:34am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Nigeria should have an Independent Police Compliants Commission to investigate the use of firearms by the police. This is what happens in civilised countries. Once you discharge your firearm. The policeman in question is required to log a report on circumstances, number of firearms discharged etc. It will be now left for the commission to determine if the firearm was used lawfully or not. This happens every time shots are fired by the police. I think this will bring about some sanity with regards to the use of firearms. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Wolexdey(m): 11:40am On Nov 20, 2020 |
crackhaus: You would have accepted same written speech if peradventure the dead corpse was you... Think before you type next time... A life had been lost... This is evil at it's best |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Collyno82(m): 11:50am On Nov 20, 2020 |
CapitalHYC:Don't mind that girl that fries dead � asun |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Collyno82(m): 11:54am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Sacrifice things,,, if you know, you know. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Cameroonglass(m): 1:15pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
bro, type in English |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by SmartyPants(m): 1:18pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Lawsaite: Alright let me apologize for my initial harsh approach. Let's go strictly legal. You are partly right in that there is indeed some application of vicarious liability in the sphere of criminal law. However, you are emphatically wrong in the sense that the general rule is that vicarious liability, owing to the twin concepts of actus reus and men's rea, cannot practically be applied to any criminal matter in the common law jurisdictions. The exceptions to this rule are only when a statute expressly states otherwise. Now, you are doubly wrong by attempting to apply vicarious liability to this situation, and here is why: 1. The speaker of the house can issue orders to his security staff but certainly is not likely to have done so because the security aides are not likely to have consulted with him on such a basic tactical decision. Every convoy has its own commander who issues tactical orders. 2. Even the person who gave the order cannot be held vicariously liable, because, vicarious liability by definition is the imputation of the actus reus of one person to another who allegedly has the men's rea. In this case, the person who gives the order is a principal offender by virtue of possessing both the men's rea and actus reus. 3. When a police officer errs, vicarious liability would be on police through the IGP, yet, in a criminal matter, it is the same IGP that will initiate prosecution of the police officer. What you are therefore saying, is that the police would prosecute and defend itself in the same case. How? If you insist, I would welcome Nigerian case law as evidence of your position. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Lawsaite: 3:08pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
SmartyPants: An independent contractor it is then. Well said and understood. Thank you for the enlightenment. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by josite: 3:16pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Lawsaite: And the speaker is the employer of the policeman because you saw the letter of employment and if a senior lawyer hires you and you shot the judge dead in anger,he is vicariously liable for your action and you should be allowed to go home? |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by andyanders: 3:53pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Babanah:My brother, the Nigerian policeman- mopol will tell you that nobody questions them on the number of bullets allocated to them. That is why they can confidently tell you that they can waste u and nothing happens. Most of them sell same to rubbers who are their friends and turn at night, most of them rub with the gun assigned to them. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by Mars16(m): 4:20pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Many things kill Nigerians very unfortunate,ranging from malaria, security agencies,poor health and sanitary conditions. Guess what guys, the new thing that kill Nigerians now is shooting in the air. From the lekki toll gate incident to this recent one is shooting in the air that killed the people. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by litaninja(m): 6:14pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Nigerian security agents always shoot into the "air". Innocent citizens always end up dying by those shots. |
Re: Femi Gbajabiamila On Death Caused By His Security Convoy by gbengaeed(m): 8:35am On Nov 21, 2020 |
...Anserine. Donspicey: |
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