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The true history of the yoruba: afro-brazilian slave returnees:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itkAZPA1h8Y

Contrary to the claims of migration from egypt, from saudi arabia, or from the sky with a golded rambo parachute, yoruba actually migrated from brazil in which they were slaves.
The ancestors of those slaves were kidnapped all over africa and and made into slaves.
Yoruba actual only proven heritage is brazil (not ife). And their real tradition is to say "yes sir" when they hear: "fetch me some water"

(with exception to the jebu, and the oyo, for the rest, their roots need to be analyzed case by case)

One guy's take on the yoruba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

So far in the course of this thread, the following retar.ded claims have been devastatingly debunked:

(1) The retar.ded claim (by disgruntled Binis) that Yorubas began using the word “Oba” in the post-1930s.

This has been debunked with written evidence of Yoruba usage from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, et al.

(2) The retar.ded claim (by @samuk) that there exists some “600 years” old written evidence of Benin usage of the word “Oba”.

This retar.ded claim is yet to be substantiated (even with an atom of evidence) despite more than 10 days (and still counting) of their torturous search.

Instead, these disgruntled Binis were at best only able to demonstrate (from their own warped logic) that the Yorubas have an earlier written evidence — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1867 (Bini).

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But what does it really mean that I was able to produce an 1845 written evidence and the Binis weren’t able to come even close to that ??

Well, it just simply means that the Binis weren’t able to come close to the Yorubas, despite their own bogus claim of wRiTteN eViDeNcE. Nothing more, nothing less! [I know I’m being too nice now].

To put the same question in other words:
Does the comparative written evidence already provided really mean that the Binis began using this word only in the year 1867 — because that’s all they could provide ??

Funny enough, this line of warped reasoning is what the disgruntled Binis have been trailing. Should I play their game along with them? No, I’m Yoruba!

To every sound and logically mind, such conclusion (based on available writing) is too obvious as a flawed reasoning and logical fallacy — even though I could have forced their own flawed reasoning down their throats.

Such particular logical fallacy is know in analytical logic specifically by the name: argumentum ex silentio.

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Having debunked their deluded claim of 1930s [see (1)]; having exposed @samuk’s fraud of “600 years” old writing [see (2)]; having exposed their inability to produce anything close to (let alone earlier than) the Yorubas’ [see (2)]; having debunked their warped logic of arguing from earlier written usage (despite the fact that it favours me); I now turn, at this point, to discussing the actual objective evidence for determining the indigenous ownership of a word — that is, the linguistic evidence.

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The Argument:
(I) If a word is in use in a particular language, but its literal meaning can not be meaningfully analyzed within that language; then such word does not originally belong to that language. Gbam!

(II) The word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not have any literal meaning in the language of the Binis.

(III) In conclusion, the word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not belong originally to the Bini language — In other words, it is a loanword.

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The Evidence:
An objective source of evidence for the meanings of Bini words is obviously and undoubtedly an authoritative dictionary of the Bini language itself.

[This is not to be confused with a dictionary of the English language which simply features a paltry number of non-English words of widespread, global, popular usage — such as: “fufu”, “agbada”, “oba”, et al.]

As such, recourse will now be made to a Bini-English Lexicon. This is so that the English readers here can access the written meanings which are attributed to the actual Bini words.

One such example of an authoritative material for this purpose is the work entitled: “A Concise Dictionary of The Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” compiled by the professor of African Phonetics and Linguistics, Hans Melzian.

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Under the entry “Ọba” (for which Professor Melzian used “ɔ” to represent “ọ“, in order to distinguish /o/ as in odd from /o/ as in old ); the following are some interesting observations from this Bini dictionary.

(A) Unlike what the author did with virtually all other Bini words within the same dictionary, he did not give a literal meaning to this word — as I have expected.

Rather, he simply describes the person whom the Binis refer to by this word. Interesting, isn’t it?! See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754901_bb7fcaad09fc479498aedbb24cb57370_jpeg_jpeg80dbd02cb7ce1db81e998db7e161c38e

(B) But more than that, the author (in fact) let the cat out of the bag. He revealed why this word could not have had a literal meaning in a dictionary of Bini language.

Before I reveal his reason, it is important that one is acquainted with a few notations and abbreviations which he define in his work.

Two examples of these are relevant to my discourse here, and they are: “Yor.” and “cf.” which he defines as: “Yoruba” and “etymological reference” respectively.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754902_541f22648c37485488282bea682c0e27_jpeg_jpegf272ec9b7e8de333789df15c524980aa

In the light of this background, let’s then see what reason the author indicates as to why this word could have appeared without a literal meaning in the Bini dictionary.

See embedded image below as highlighted on the top-right corner in continuation of the bottom-left corner.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754903_7e31a3d03b7c407ab60e863fbf8fb4c2_jpeg_jpegfba5de93eebde69a9ef00beabf7a605c

In the light of his foregoing definition of abbreviations, what we have here in the phrase “cf. Yor. ɔba” then becomes extremely clear and straightforward.

In other words, the word “Ọba” [ɔba] (used by the Binis for their monarch) has its ”etymology” [cf.] (aka. ”origin”) in the Yoruba language [Yor.].

Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

davidmarker2:
So what did we learn today:

Well, we’ve learnt that suicide is loading in Benin Kingdom today.

who was the first ooni of ife to copy the word Oba into his title: adesoji aderemi.

Well, on this same thread we’ve already seen written evidence of “Oba” usage among the Yorubas — some going back to the year 1845.

The closest the Benin usage came so far is 1863.

Moreover, linguistics evidence have already been adduced on this same thread to establish that the Binis borrowed “Oba” from the Yorubas.

He also created a beaded crown as a way to copy the Benin crown. (the fake crown in the picture below)

Well I understand your desperation, but guess what: No Benin crown comes close in any way shape or form to any Ife crown.

The closest which one of the Benin crowns came (the tall one) was that it looked like the signature tall crown of other Yoruba kingdoms (excluding Ife) called Ade-Nla.

Moreover, if your claim was that the Ife kingdom had more than one type of crown, that’s factual.

In fact, the crowns are almost innumerable, just as the Binis have more than one as well — two examples (of the Binis’) of which may be seen at this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/20#96543761

there is no such thing as Edo, igbo or yoruba etymology. Anybody using such as argument is either intellectually bankrupt either morally bankrupt, anyways his argument is trash

This is a false statement which you’ve made here without a shred of evidence.

You have simply peddled this falsehood in the hope that people will swallow it without asking for evidence.

the yoruba have a habbit of copying other people's cultures:

Interesting! Let’s hear it.

a) they first copied the word "sir" which is a mark of british nobility: ooni of ife, sir adesoji.

Haha!

Insecure Bini Liar: Look, the Ooni of Ife uses “Sir” instead of “Oba”

Sane Person: In what capacity did he use the designation “Sir”? Is it with respect to his traditional stool?

Insecure Bini Liar: [scratches his bald head and goes] Well, that was in his capacity as a politician and governor of Western Nigeria

Sane Person: Why then did you post this when you already know it is nonsense?
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Moreover, I would have thought you should know that Nigeria was a British colony.

And that certain British titles were conferred on certain distinguished public office holders.

One of such distinguished individuals was the then Ooni of Ife. At the time, he was the Governor of the Nigerian Western Nigeria.

Other Nigerians who have been conferred similar the honor are:
Sir Ahmadi Bello; Sir Herbert Macaulay; Alhaji Sir Abubakr’s Tafawa Balewa to name a few.

b) after some time they changed that borrowed word for an other borrowed word "Oba" the title of the King of Benin: it then became "ooni of ife, oba adesoji"

Well, as the written evidence have shown so far on this thread; your base level of reasoning should have permitted you to conclude that:

The Yorubas have been using the word “Oba” decades before the Binis would first use it — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1863 (Benin).

c) adesoji also imitated the Benin crown

This has already been demonstrated in this same comment to be a deluded falsehood.

d) the current crown worn by the ooni of ife is an imitation of a statue which was found in ife

Interesting! An ancient Ife crown is modeled after a more ancient Ife sculpture. So? Hehehe!

e) the current dress of the ooni of ife is an imitation of the royal uniform of the king of the Ashanti

Oh, I have an idea!

What about ‘the current dress of the Ashanti king is an imitation of the Ife king’s’?

In fact, this is more tenable since a Ghanaian subgroup claimed to have originated from Ife considering the testimony of the then Supreme King of the Ga people — The Ga Matse, King Nii Adama Latse

4) Benin has a true history, ife has fairytales.
5) benin has architecture, ...

6) Benin actually fought a war against britain, ife once again has fairytales of great warriors

7) Benin city got burnt into ashes, ife didn't yet no architecture, nothing to show in ife.
8 ) at this point it feels like a big insult to even dare pronounce benin and ife in the same sentence in anybody's dream.
indeed, ife remains a village, a make-belief rubbish elevated by the invaders becuase the ooni of ife was a backstabbing traitor to the cause the black race. The ooni of ife served the british instead of fighting the british, coward if you ask me.Sayonara

In “Ibn Battûta’s 1352 Voyages to Asia and Africa, ... we learn that southwest of the Mâlli (Mali) kingdom lies a country called Yoûfi (Ife) that is one of the “most considerable countries of the Soudan [governed by a]…souverain [who] is one of the greatest kings”.*

“Battuta’s description of Yoûfi* (Ife) as a country that “No white man can enter…because the negros will kill him before he arrives”* is consistent with the ritual primacy long associated with Ife, due perhaps to its mercantile strength (glass beads, iron and probably textiles).

Among the latter items seem to have been not only cotton and raphia cloth but also silk textiles fashioned from local worms. The latter suggests that in the twelfth through fifteenth centuries, Ife was part of the famous East-West silk road. This is one of many indicators that Ife was part of the larger global trading network. The need to control related goods (and technologies) is in part what gave Ife and its rulers their unique associations with secrecy and danger.”

~ Reference: Ibn Battuta’s 1352 Voyage as cited in Suzanne Preston Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power and Identity, c.1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015, p. 28.

At this time when Ibn Battuta visited West Africa in the 1300s and documented about Ife, there was no kingdom called Benin worth noting.

You know why? Ife was blowing. The elephant and its child doesn’t blow at the same time.

Erin kii fon, ki omo re naa fon.

ife has fairytales of rambo/oduduwa dropping from the sky in egypt strait into ife with a golden parachute/chain.

Till date I’m still yet to get an answer on where the the ancestors of Bini people and their Kings’ progenitors descended from. Is it?:

(A) Ife according to the “official” Benin account.

(B) Heaven via chains according to the Benin mythological account.

(C) Egypt according to Egharevba’s 1952 edition.

(D) The last born child of God Almighty (and his wife) according to Omonoba Erediauwa

(E) All of the above.

Please help, I really need to find out the correct answer.
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It appears you’re disgruntled because there are no more gullible customers for your Benin lies on Nairaland, therefore ... E PAIN AM Die

TAO11:
So far in the course of this thread, the following retar.ded claims have been devastatingly debunked:

(1) The retar.ded claim (by disgruntled Binis) that Yorubas began using the word “Oba” in the post-1930s.

This has been debunked with written evidence of Yoruba usage from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, et al.

(2) The retar.ded claim (by @samuk) that there exists some “600 years” old written evidence of Benin usage of the word “Oba”.

This retar.ded claim is yet to be substantiated (even with an atom of evidence) despite more than 10 days (and still counting) of their torturous search.

Instead, these disgruntled Binis were at best only able to demonstrate (from their own warped logic) that the Yorubas have an earlier written evidence — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1867 (Bini).

——————————————————
But what does it really mean that I was able to produce an 1845 written evidence and the Binis weren’t able to come even close to that ??

Well, it just simply means that the Binis weren’t able to come close to the Yorubas, despite their own bogus claim of wRiTteN eViDeNcE. Nothing more, nothing less! [I know I’m being too nice now].

To put the same question in other words:
Does the comparative written evidence already provided really mean that the Binis began using this word only in the year 1867 — because that’s all they could provide ??

Funny enough, this line of warped reasoning is what the disgruntled Binis have been trailing. Should I play their game along with them? No, I’m Yoruba!

To every sound and logically mind, such conclusion (based on available writing) is too obvious as a flawed reasoning and logical fallacy — even though I could have forced their own flawed reasoning down their throats.

Such particular logical fallacy is know in analytical logic specifically by the name: argumentum ex silentio.

————————————————————
Having debunked their deluded claim of 1930s [see (1)]; having exposed @samuk’s fraud of “600 years” old writing [see (2)]; having exposed their inability to produce anything close to (let alone earlier than) the Yorubas’ [see (2)]; having debunked their warped logic of arguing from earlier written usage (despite the fact that it favours me); I now turn, at this point, to discussing the actual objective evidence for determining the indigenous ownership of a word — that is, the linguistic evidence.

——————————————————————
The Argument:
(I) If a word is in use in a particular language, but its literal meaning can not be meaningfully analyzed within that language; then such word does not originally belong to that language. Gbam!

(II) The word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not have any literal meaning in the language of the Binis.

(III) In conclusion, the word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not belong originally to the Bini language — In other words, it is a loanword.

————————————————————
The Evidence:
An objective source of evidence for the meanings of Bini words is obviously and undoubtedly an authoritative dictionary of the Bini language itself.

[This is not to be confused with a dictionary of the English language which simply features a paltry number of non-English words of widespread, global, popular usage — such as: “fufu”, “agbada”, “oba”, et al.]

As such, recourse will now be made to a Bini-English Lexicon. This is so that the English readers here can access the written meanings which are attributed to the actual Bini words.

One such example of an authoritative material for this purpose is the work entitled: “A Concise Dictionary of The Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” compiled by the professor of African Phonetics and Linguistics, Hans Melzian.

———————————————————
Under the entry “Ọba” (for which Professor Melzian used “ɔ” to represent “ọ“, in order to distinguish /o/ as in odd from /o/ as in old ); the following are some interesting observations from this Bini dictionary.

(A) Unlike what the author did with virtually all other Bini words within the same dictionary, he did not give a literal meaning to this word — as I have expected.

Rather, he simply describes the person whom the Binis refer to by this word. Interesting, isn’t it?! See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754901_bb7fcaad09fc479498aedbb24cb57370_jpeg_jpeg80dbd02cb7ce1db81e998db7e161c38e

(B) But more than that, the author (in fact) let the cat out of the bag. He revealed why this word could not have had a literal meaning in a dictionary of Bini language.

Before I reveal his reason, it is important that one is acquainted with a few notations and abbreviations which he define in his work.

Two examples of these are relevant to my discourse here, and they are: “Yor.” and “cf.” which he defines as: “Yoruba” and “etymological reference” respectively.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754902_541f22648c37485488282bea682c0e27_jpeg_jpegf272ec9b7e8de333789df15c524980aa

In the light of this background, let’s then see what reason the author indicates as to why this word could have appeared without a literal meaning in the Bini dictionary.

See embedded image below as highlighted on the top-right corner in continuation of the bottom-left corner.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754903_7e31a3d03b7c407ab60e863fbf8fb4c2_jpeg_jpegfba5de93eebde69a9ef00beabf7a605c

In the light of his foregoing definition of abbreviations, what we have here in the phrase “cf. Yor. ɔba” then becomes extremely clear and straightforward.

In other words, the word “Ọba” [ɔba] (used by the Binis for their monarch) has its ”etymology” [cf.] (aka. ”origin”) in the Yoruba language [Yor.].

Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

Great post!

This Yoruba history video by an Igbo man should be for the numerous ignorant Igbos on Nairaland being brainwashed by the Yoruba. The Igbo narrator is telling some truth with references on how Yoruba was created to represent groups of former slaves mixed with indigenous south west people in 1808.

These people who were largely former slaves not even from Nigeria are now trying to steal Benin history to make them look older than 1808.

Despite the numerous photos from Benin displayed here, nothing from them. Instead they are concocting and fabricating history on computers.

According to an English adage, a picture is worth a thousand words.

It is gratifying to know that not all Igbos are ignorant of the history of various Nigeria people.

davidmarker2:
One guy's take on the yoruba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

According to an English adage, a picture is worth a thousand (1000) words.

The Benin have put on display numerous pictures from the Benin kingdom. Benin empire/kingdom was real.

TAO11:
Hahaha. No, that’s not a photograph.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12300045_1180859311783653img20190722154954jpegb78bac5c83a42178910da3de9aa62adbjpegjpeg9cfba2c96c509f82646e09ea44461ee6_jpeg_jpegd2120de126612f0fe3ddadd01b9c1d3b

No that’s an imaginative cartoon drawing, you bald head.

Lmao. They even drew horses there. Did Benin ever used horses? Inside a forest region? How did horses survive?

Barbilius:
Lmao. They even drew horses there. Did Benin ever used horses? Inside a forest region? How did horses survive?

It really shows that must of you rely entirely on TAO11 for your education, even baby Oyo once had a cavalry of horses.

Must you publicly display your ignorance.

TAO11 herself knows that must of her arguments are lies but chooses to play on the lack of intelligence of must of you while entertaining and enjoying herself.

In the coastal area to the south of Oyo, between the River Volta and Niger, contemporary European sources throw some light on conditions from the late fifteenth century onwards. In the case of Benin, there is no explicit evidence of the existence of horses before the early seventeenth century, but the fact that the King of Portugal sent a gift of a horse to the King of Benin in 1552 suggests that horses were already established in Benin when the Europeans first arrived there.

Abeokuta was founded in 1830 by fugitive slaves (no migration from ife, just the real history of the yoruba: slavery).

TAO11:


See attached for a quotation by H.L. Roth which he obtained reports of EUrOpEaN travelers from Benin kingdom.

Can I get a full screenshots of this please?

Barbilius:
Lmao. They even drew horses there. Did Benin ever used horses? Inside a forest region? How did horses survive?

Stop obsessing about Benin and listen to your true history:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

samuk:
It really shows that must of you rely entirely on TAO11 for your education, even baby Oyo once had a cavalry of horses.

Must you publicly display your ignorance.

Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

davidmarker2:
Stop obsessing about Benin and listen to your true history:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

Lmao. Something said by ibos wey no even get bearing lmao. See the thick ibotic accent sef.

Barbilius:
Lmao. Something said by ibos wey no even get bearing lmao. See the thick ibotic accent sef.

The narrator is quoting precolonial texts, not your usual made up stories.
Your entire yoruba "history" is a farce.
here is the reality.*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU
abeokuta was founded in 1830 by fugitive slaves.
It seems to me that yoruba is one big slavedom
time stamp: 27:45



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As I said earlier, the Yoruba have always been the servant of the british, they didn't suffer colonization, they were the happy servants of the colonizers who subsequently rewarded them by uplifting their status while degrading the true indigenous people and the true kings.

ife wasn't burnt down, nor destroyed by the british, yet no architecture to show which predates colonization. That alone shows you ife was just a small, smelly vilage, probably also founded by runaway slaves.

Barbilius:
Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

In the coastal area to the south of Oyo, between the River Volta and Niger, contemporary European sources throw some light on conditions from the late fifteenth century onwards. In the case of Benin, there is no explicit evidence of the existence of horses before the early seventeenth century, but the fact that the King of Portugal sent a gift of a horse to the King of Benin in 1552 suggests that horses were already established in Benin when the Europeans first arrived there.

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ife is just like deontay wilder: it rose to fame on the back of another person's name.
Deontay wilder rose to fame on the back of anthony joshua's name.
Ife rose to fame on the back of Benin's name.

These two frauds don't need to be great, they only need to make claims about a great entity, and bouya they rise to fame.

Deontay is a fraud who only fights bums and never deserved recognition, thank god fury has finally put him in his place.
ife is a village, lead by an uncle tom, a place most probably established in the 19th century by fugitive slaves (like abeokuta), ife never deserved recognition, except it attaches to Benin.

Guys circulate this video, the narrator gives references to all he says:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

Barbilius:
Lmao. They even drew horses there. Did Benin ever used horses? Inside a forest region? How did horses survive?

Oyo used horses was oyo a desert region hmm
Dont you wonder how they survive

Even Tao11 false myth of benin-ife relationships she insisted ife gave horse to benin.....

Ife that is a rain forest zone

Lai Mohammed to full Yorubaland

Barbilius:
Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

Oyo open savanah


No wonder lai Mohammed is from yoruba

Barbilius:
Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

The problem with some of you guys is that your quest of knowledge are only limited to a small circle and tribal, if it wasn't said by a Yoruba person, then it's not true and you are not interested, otherwise you would have noticed the depiction of a horse on Benin artwork on the video below that was shared here earlier. In the video is the Ooni in an European museum, probably the British museum admiring a single Ife head sculpture, next to the Ife display were numerous Benin artworks and one of them depicted a Benin nobility probably an Oba on a horseback.

Considering the facts that these Benin artworks were looted by the British in 1897 and majority were done hundreds of years earlier, were did the Benin see hearses to depict in their arts if horses were not already established in the kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

samuk:
The problem with some of you guys us that your quest of knowledge are only limited yo a small circle and tribal, if it wasn't said by a Yoruba person, then it's not true. Otherwise you would have noticed on the video below that was shared here earlier. In the video is the Ooni in a European museum, probably the British museum admiring a single Ife head sculpture, next to the Ife display were numerous Benin artworks and one of them depicted a Benin nobility probably an Oba on a horseback.

Considering the facts that these Benin artworks were looted by the British in 1897 and majority were done hundreds of years earlier, were did the Benin see hearses to depict in their arts if horses were not already established in the kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

I already know the yoruba next reply: they will claim the statue represents a man from ife coming to teach bronze casting to the Edos.
That is the yoruba offical lie on this subject.
They are very predictable.
I have read some precolonial texts talking about how Benin people ride horse.

davidmarker2:
I already know the yoruba next reply: they will claim the statue represents a man from ife coming to teach bronze casting to the Edos.
That is the yoruba offical lie on this subject.
They are very predictable.

I won't be surprised and yet they, the teachers don't have their to showcase apart from few they claimed to have dug up from the ground.

It goes to show the level of education these people have, if the guy had paid little more attention to the video assuming he even bothered to view it or didn't skip the rest after the Ooni had finished speaking, he would have noticed the Benin artworks that depicted an Oba on a horseback and save himself or this embarrassment of laughing off European drawing of horses in Benin.

The eyewitness Europeans largely sketched and described what they saw not what they think and concocts.

Guys, use the parts of the videos which are referenced.
This guy has already done the job.
I don't need to get myself tired.
I can go back to writing my paper.


Perharps it is time to make a topic on yoruba true history with references such as in the videos.
Also add all the proofs I gave.
The yoruba don't like history, they are interested in destroying history, not discovering it.
True history puts them to shame, so they must destroy it and claim other people's history.
You must show them their true history.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

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gregyboy:
Oyo open savanah


No wonder lai Mohammed is from yoruba

Just Google the local old Oyo and Google the vegetation map of Nigeria.

samuk:
I won't be surprised and yet they, the teachers don't have their to showcase apart from few they claimed to have dug up from the ground.

It goes to show the level of education these people have, if the guy had paid little more attention to the video assuming he even bothered to view it or didn't skip the rest after the Ooni had finished speaking, he would have noticed the Benin artworks that depicted an Oba on a horseback and save himself or this embarrassment of laughing off European drawing of horses in Benin.

The eyewitness Europeans largely sketched and described what they saw not what they think and concocts.

the yoruba, of today who witnessed nothing will be shooting down eye-witness accounts while promoting unsubstantiated stories which didn't come from any eye-witness. As I said, yoruba hate history, their only interest in history is on how best to rewrite it. Many of them know they are telling lies, but that is the aim: to rewrite history.
Their fight is against reality, truth and common sense which is why they applaud each other whenever they feel the person wrote a good lie.
Once you fact check some of yoruba rubbish, they will just keep repeating it. They don't don't need to make sense, all they need to do is repeat their illogical statements many times and applaud each other.

Barbilius:
Lmao. Something said by ibos wey no even get bearing lmao. See the thick ibotic accent sef.

Because it was said by Igbo, so it has to be waved off as nonsense not minding the fact that they guy cited historical references. The truth is the average Yoruba have no regards for the Igbos, not even their intellectuals, who can blame the Yoruba if they see the Igbos as intellectually inferior when you have the likes on Juliusmalema and RedboneSmith publicly claiming that Benin was ruled by Yoruba that was created in 1808 to accommodate freed former slaves.

With these kinds of thinking, the Yorubas may be right about some Igbos.

Besides, what has the guy's Ibotic accent have to do with what he said, we all understood him perfectly.

Tao11 would never learn,

She is just disgracing herself

At a moment she came out with the oba of benin wasnt refered to as oba in European text only yoruba obas did until samuk burst her bubbles

With the 1863 refrence, she was left dumbfounded

She stylishly tried to claim benin ife ties with funny archeological material
I gave her sense

She insisted since edo had terracotta sculpture, ife too had then they must have shared relationships

Like terracotta works is only unique to ife and benin, she forgot its an african thing, infact nok had terracotta works too, rome had too, i bet ife
Terracotta is older than those nok and rome terracotta that dates to the bc

As a matter of fact owo and ife share same terracotta art techniques from benin, nok

I guess she was trying her luck on that one

She should be ashamed are ancestors were cowards in history past and have punished her by trying to rewrite their coward historical past

How she claims ownership to the title oba when she is yet to prove her imagined benin-ife relationship in the past baffles me, because according to the myth oromiyan came to establish the oba dynasty now that we know that story was fake, and she is unable to prove it credibility but yet she still lay claims to the title oba to yoruba tribe can you just imagine the temerity, one wouldn't be surprised why the have the finest of liers in nigeria lai Mohammed ifrom a yoruba tribe


Afam4eva sorry we are always dragging you into this, but seeing you get corrupted by Tao11 lies would be disheartening

What you knew before in Yoruba adopting the title oba from benin is the truth, so dont get it messed up

As you can see someone already brought an 1863 proves were a benin king was addressed as oba of benin European only started started calling their kings oba in European text because benin over yoruba lands so they believe since benin rulers were ruling over vast yoruba areas it was safe to call their rulers oba

You get the gist

Afam4eva

samuk:
Because it was said by Igbo, so it has to be wave off as nonsense not minding the fact that they guy cited historical references. The truth is the average Yoruba have no regards for the Igbos, not even their intellectuals, who can blame the Yoruba if they see the Igbos as intellectually inferior when you have the likes on Juliusmalema publicly claiming that Benin was ruled by Yoruba that was created in 1808 to accommodate freed former slaves.

With these kinds of thinking, the Yorubas may be right about some Igbos.

Besides what has the guys Ibotic accent have to do with what he said, we all understood him perfectly.

they even lack self-awareness: they want speeches to be disregarded if said by igbo even if the speech comes with proof, and they also want people to die by yoruba speech even when it comes with no proof...because yoruba na special...
Self-awareness much...
Runaway slaves trying to rewrite history, thy name is yoruba.

samuk:
Because it was said by Igbo, so it has to be wave off as nonsense not minding the fact that they guy cited historical references. The truth is the average Yoruba have no regards for the Igbos, not even their intellectuals, who can blame the Yoruba if they see the Igbos as intellectually inferior when you have the likes on Juliusmalema publicly claiming that Benin was ruled by Yoruba that was created in 1808 to accommodate freed former slaves.

With these kinds of thinking, the Yorubas may be right about some Igbos.

Besides what has the guys Ibotic accent have to do with what he said, we all understood him perfectly.

Lol


Mr Edos are Yorubas and vice versa.

Leave Igbos and face your historical issues with Yorubas.

Igbos and Edo has nothing in common to discuss about history.

Igbos history ends with Igbos.

Let Yorubas believe whatever they believe, an average Igbo man doesn't care or give a damn..Igbos no send..

Every historical friction between Yorubas and Edos always reaches 30 pages and above and which prices that truly these are same stock of people.

Stop disturbing Igboland with una historical fabrications, it won't work here.

Please sort yourself out with your yoruba ally and leave Igbos out of it.