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MrPRevailer:
The eternal breath of life is the raw material of the Soul.
The dust of the earth is the raw material of the Flesh/body

MrPRevailer:
Slap yourself hard please.

DappaD:
Did God breathe the soul or the breath of life into Adam?

FatherOfJesus:
But that’s not what the op is talking about now.

It’s like you are digressing

MrPRevailer:
Simply put, you have been deceived by modern translations which aim to change the original translation to kill the scriptural power and uniqueness.

In that same translation, i'm sure it also removed the word "Begotten" in John 3:16

It also removes the trinity of God from 1 John 5:7
The father,Son and Holy ghost. These three are one.

The Bible warned us of those in the last days who will deceive many by coming in the name of Christ. These news translators have removed and added to the Bible. The curse of Revelation 22:18-19 is upon them.

haddeylium:
ignore it then

I like your answer in a part tho

NASV
eccl 3:20-All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.

DappaD:
Lol. Says the person who disagrees with the meaning of the original Hebrew/Greek words “nephesh/psykhe” which translates “soul” in modern English.


Which translation have I used a basis here?


MrPRevailer, that's why I said you need to do research on your own. That's the only way you'll learn. Go and search for “Johannine Comma” on Google and you'll amazed by what you find.



You actually don't know how funny you sound right now. Yeah the curse definitely has to be on those KJV translators
They're the cause of your confusion but you don't realise it yet.

haddeylium:
Which Bible translation today did God's word reveal to you to be original?
You've showed how it was the original manuscripts it was copied from?
You really want to discuss 1 John 5:19.
You're not made for it.
You making inferences based on the much you know.

Thanks for your time and meditate on those

FatherOfJesus:
sorry no evidence we are made of dust and will go back to being dust.

This can be proven by not burying a corpse. It won’t turn to dust but will eventually be decomposed into atomic and molecular constituents.

MrPRevailer:

Ok. So I uphold KJV as the original. This is what majorly sets us apart in this discussion.
I don't know greek or Hebrews. But I know the most spiritual Hebrew translators have done a good job writing the KJV. I don't need endtime Hebrew teachers yo impose their pervasive/subversive doctrines because taking advantage of me and because
I don't know Hebrew language.

MrPRevailer:
1 John 5:7 "There are three that bear witness in Heaven. The Father Son and Holy ghost. These three are one."
Removed from other translations who definitely had ulterior motives against the truth.
They've today become useful tools in the hands of false teachers

FatherOfJesus:
sorry no evidence we are made of dust and will go back to being dust.

This can be proven by not burying a corpse. It won’t turn to dust but will eventually be decomposed into atomic and molecular constituents.

haddeylium:
That humans are created with particles (composing the elements)...Yeahhhh

Buried or not, it will decay into the particles it was made from

DappaD:
The Bible is not a Science textbook but it has always agreed with most of Scientific theories.
The term “dust” is just a fancy and simple word so that the reader will quickly grasp. If you tell a layman that humans are made up of carbon, phosphorus etc, he will be confused but once you immediately explain to him that humans were formed from the dust of the ground, he'll understand swiftly.
Nevertheless, those elements you mentioned—nitrogen, iron, phosphorus, carbon, calcium etc—are all present in the dust of the earth. So the Bible is correct on the makeup of man.

MrPRevailer:
haddeylium DappaD
I would like to ask you. Since you argue animals have a soul, where do all animals go after they die?

MrPRevailer:
haddeylium
I would like to ask you. Since you argue animals have a soul, where do all animals go after they die?

FatherOfJesus:
sorry, the definition for a dust is well defined.
By definition dust should also contained pollen grains, textile fiber, paper fiber and minerals.

I also strongly disagree with you that the Bible agrees with science.

haddeylium:
There are other Bible translation before KJV was made and also after it.
They copied from the original manuscripts.

This verse in KJV can't be found in the manuscript it was copied from.
I know you accepted it anyway, cos' that's what you might have grew up it.

what makes you consider KJV to be original?

FatherOfJesus:
Yes not dust.

Unless you have another definition for dust

DappaD:
Ecclesiastes 3:20-21 is there for you.

DappaD:
Refer back to the analogy I made. Before your science came, many people developed theories about the makeup of man but the Bible stood out as superficial.


Which is why i said “most” .
Obviously the Bible will never agree with a theory such as evolution which has continually been updated and updated ever since.

haddeylium:
You need God's people to make you understand this.
Trust me, it's so clear.

Dust are particles of matter. This matter are made up of elements.

MrPRevailer:
Can't be found at that time? This can only be equal to a lie.

Why did other versions remove "Begotten".

[All these were a deliberate attack on the proof of Trinity.
Today, people can use those versions to argue there were some of God in bBook of Job. Jesus is not the only Son of God

haddeylium:
Same place with Human.

Simply, they return to dust and their thoughts perish that day.(Eccl 9:5)

But for faithful humans, death is not the end, God's word promise them a resurrection .
God will awaken the Dead soul by giving them 'Breathe of life' to become a Living Soul

FatherOfJesus:
You also need to observe, imagine and read a lot of science text to understand this. Trust me

Dusts are particles of matter, not all matters are particles of dust. Majority of what humans are made of are particles that are not part of dust.

haddeylium:
what can't be found?


You still need more Bible knowledge.
what you don't know is that , the removal of 'Begotten' is actually a subtle support for Trinity doctrine.




So, why did you consider KJV to be original?

haddeylium:
You missed the point.

I mean, Dust are made of 'particles of matter'.
and this matter is 'composed of element'
you dig?

FatherOfJesus:
Its not about standing out superficial, it’s about if your assertions are consistent with reality, which hasn’t been the case with the Bible .
I strongly think that the Bible and science are direct opposite of each other.
Looking at the following:
1. Origin of life
2. Evolution of life
3. Nature of the universe and the solar system.
4. Origin of the universe.
Science is always in direct opposite to what the Bible describes in regards to all listed above.

MrPRevailer:
Lol. This is just funny all round.

Ok. So we should just throw away Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 14:9-11, I Cor 6:9 and many other scriptures like they didn't exist. You should write your own Bible translation like those before you have done.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

DappaD:
Okay so we want to start talking about REALITY now. Note however, that your science professors are always at loggerheads when it comes to those things you highlighted below. Their postulations actually are the ones that are out of harmony with the reality of life.
Granted, science has improved the quality of people's lives for the most part but regards the main issues troubling mankind today—questions that science can never answer:
1. Why are humans here on earth and where did we come from?
2. Why do we get sick, grow old and die?
3. What happens when we die?
4. Are these conditions on the earth going to continue forever?
4. Where does the spark of life come from?
5. Where did the natural laws such as gravity come from and who is behind the governing of such laws?
All these and more that the Bible answers in a very clear and simple manner, something that science can never do.
As for me though, I'm not ready to get myself involved with ideologies that can't solve the root cause of human problems.

haddeylium:
You're yet to make a grasp of Gen 2:7. Now, it's Revelation.

Lake of fire there is symbolic meaning Eternal destruction

Notice in the preceding verse
Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” (Revelation 20:14, KJv)

Death is not something concrete, but it's said to be cast into the lake of fire- Meaning, Death will be no more.
Hell (Grave) is also cast into it- Grace will be no more.
Which means , they die, the cease to exist.
So, it will be for humans who endup there, they will cease to exist.
with no resurrection hope

Thanks

FatherOfJesus:
You are the person not getting it.

Dust is made of particle, but not all particles in humans are in dust.