DappaD:


Your forefather Darwin would disagree with you.

Thats not what Darwin said sir.

I don’t expect you to understand it when we are not even sure that you passed secondary level biology

DappaD:


Your forefather Darwin would disagree with you.

wait for it
he's cooking a new theory

FatherOFJesus2:
Yes all specie come from one common source and later evolved into other specie overtime.


You have any evidence to dispute that because all evidence we have today is pointing toward that rather than creation from ribs and dirt

Sarcasm will get you no where. You won't accept that you've finally roped yourself now. Look at the highlighted in the above and below and see if you'll see any contradiction.

FatherOFJesus2:
i still do not know why it’s difficult for you to understand that evolution is not necessarily the production of a new specie.

Learn to read other books other than the Bible

Learn to read the Bible more often instead of regurgitating whatever white men in suits and labcoats have told you.

Bacteriologist:


Tell me what's the incredible/intelligent design of a cancerous tissue?

It's not a design cos' it's harmful?

Tell me, can a trained scientist produce a cancerous cell/tissue from nothing?

haddeylium:


wait for it
he's cooking a new theory

He's been deceiving himself nah
Mutations do not produce new species he has agreed and that proves that the evolution theory is faulty on many fronts.

haddeylium:


Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one.
what you'll have is a variant!
Science experiment prove this.
Homo sapien of different variant will always be homosapiens

You can't be founded?
You're just believing what you wanted to believe

wrong sir. Mutation is any alteration in gene sequence.

It doesn’t necessarily leads to new specie unless your own definition of mutation is from the Bible

FatherOfJesus:

Mutation is always happening, it always results in a new genetic orientation. Mutation is one reason why you will never look exactly like you sibling or have exactly same genetic makeup even as you have same parents.

With respect sir, it's not mutation that accounts for differences amongst siblings; it's gene combination. This is not a mistake a biologist should make.

DappaD:


He's been deceiving himself nah
Mutations do not produce new species he has agreed and that proves that the evolution theory is faulty on many fronts.

Evolution theory is founded on Mutation.
He see how unreasonable it is
He's out

haddeylium:


Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one.
what you'll have is a variant!
Science experiment prove this.
Homo sapien of different variant will always be homosapiens

You can't be founded?
You're just believing what you wanted to believe

someone that sees the way you are typing variant will think you really understand what it is

Mutation do not always lead to formation of new specie. Heritable mutation always lead to change in genotypic and phenotypic feature.


Don’t redefine it sir

FatherOFJesus2:
Thats not what Darwin said sir.

I don’t expect you to understand it when we are not even sure that you passed secondary level biology

If it's about academic qualifications and achievements, don't worry I'm not going to get into that debate with you because of the person I am.

jamesid29:

With respect sir, it's not mutation that accounts for differences amongst siblings; it's gene combination. This is not a mistake a biologist should make.

yes, crossing of chromosomes during meiosis.

But the argument was to establish variation that prompts evolution

DappaD:


If it's about academic qualifications and achievements, don't worry I'm not going to get into that debate with you because of the person I am.

its obvious because you don’t think that mutation is responsible for evolution.

It’s obvious you failed biology

FatherOFJesus2:
wrong sir. Mutation is any alteration in gene sequence.

It doesn’t necessarily leads to new specie unless your own definition of mutation is from the Bible

The theory of evolution hinges on Mutation

you're saying 'it doesn't necessarily'
comeback when you're certain of your stance

haddeylium:


The theory of evolution hinges on Mutation

you're saying 'it doesn't necessarily'
comeback when you're of your stance

Yes sir, cystic fibrosis, microcephaly, albinism are all as a result of mutation. But they don’t cause new specie.

Go back and learn the basis of mutation

haddeylium:


The theory of evolution hinges on Mutation

you're saying 'it doesn't necessarily'
comeback when you're of your stance

Leukemia, cancer etc are mutations.

Is a leukemia patient homo erectus?

FatherOFJesus2:
yes, crossing of chromosomes during meiosis.

But the argument was to establish variation that prompts evolution

it's called Gene recombination man!
it's causes variation too but not new specie

Rest!

haddeylium:


It's not a design cos' it's harmful?

Tell me, can a trained scientist produce a cancerous cell/tissue from nothing?

It could be design, just not an intelligent one.

I just helped you debunk the "incredible" part of it.

But you haven't even proved how human body part is "designed."

Your god of the gaps fallacy is hanging out like a thread.

"We don't know x, therefore god did it."

200 years ago we couldn't put anything afloat in the air. Today we have gigantic metal structures cruising the skies.

That we don't know something yet, doesn't mean a God made it. That is a foolishly fatal sort of reasoning.

And something cannot come from nothing. Maybe try logic 101.

haddeylium:

it's called Gene recombination man!
it's causes variation too but not new specie

Rest!

And variation is a factor that is essential for evolution.

Bacteriologist:


It could be design, just not an intelligent one.
I just helped you debunk the "incredible" part of it.
But you haven't even proved how human body part is "designed."
Your god of the gaps fallacy is hanging out like a thread.
"We don't know x, therefore god did it."
200 years ago we couldn't put anything afloat in the air. Today we have gigantic metal structures cruising the skies.
That we don't know something yet, doesn't mean a God made it. That is a foolishly fatal sort of reasoning.
And something cannot come from nothing. Maybe try logic 101.

Omg
why is it not an incredible design.
Remember we're not discussing benefits..


Good point!
If you show you a working spaceship, and I claimed it formed itself in a big bang process...you would believe this right?

FatherOFJesus2:
Or what’s the intelligence design of a microcephaly, cystic fibrosis, Down syndrome etc

I’m even more intelligent than the designer

Right!

Classic case of theists cherrypicking what suits that indoctrinated narrative when they say intelligent design.

"When I look at the trees, waterfalls.."

"When I see a beautiful sunset.."

How about

"When I see a new born baby larger than the birth canal of the mother causing serious vaginal tears or even death to the mother.."

"When I see natural disasters.."

"When I see conjoined twins.."


It's just the hypocrisy of leaving out the death threats in the Quran when muslims say islam is a religion of peace.

Or the bible supporting slavery and genocidal killings and christians say it is a book that is morally perfect.

FatherOFJesus2:
Leukemia, cancer etc are mutations.

Is a leukemia patient homo erectus?

Settled!
Mutation is not the basis for evolution

haddeylium:

it's called Gene recombination man!
it's causes variation too but not new specie

Rest!

someone that see type gene recombination will think you know what you are saying?

Without that recombination, evolution will be impossible. Humans would have gone extinct long before now because every human on earth will have exactly same genotypic and phenotypic feature.

We can’t n adapt to constantly change environment without the crossing and recombination by homologous chromosomes. That’s the point.

I think I should engage that other guy. He seems more brilliant

haddeylium:


Settled!
Mutation is not the basis for evolution

sorry, mutation is now of the basis for evolution sir.

As a matter of fact it’s very important we mutate our gene from time to time including recombination to survival.

haddeylium:


Omg
why is it not an incredible design.
Remember we're not discussing benefits..


Good point!
If you show you a working spaceship, and I claimed it formed itself in a big bang process...you would believe this right?

Ok so what do you mean by incredible?

I wouldn't necessarily believe it. Unless you can demonstrate to me that it indeed formed itself in a big bang process.

FatherOFJesus2:
And variation is a factor that is essential for evolution.

Variation occur within a specie.
if you have evidence to proof otherwise .
Drop it

Bacteriologist:



Right!

Classic case of theists cherrypicking what suits that indoctrinated narrative when they say intelligent design.

"When I look at the trees, waterfalls.."

"When I see a beautiful sunset.."

How about

"When I see a new born baby larger than the birth canal of the mother causing serious vaginal tears or even death to the mother.."

"When I see natural disasters.."

"When I see conjoined twins.."


It's just the hypocrisy of leaving out the death threats in the Quran when muslims say islam is a religion of peace.

Or the bible supporting slavery and genocidal killings and theists say it is a book that is morally perfect.

I have been trying to convince one ever since that mutations doesn’t necessarily lead to new specie.

He’s just thicker than a wall, can grasp it.

He thinks every mutation will produce new specie like TMNT.

FatherOFJesus2:
sorry, mutation is now of the basis for evolution sir.

As a matter of fact it’s very important we mutate our gene from time to time including recombination to survival.

You're confused truly

haddeylium:


Variation occur within a specie.
if you a evidence to proof otherwise .
Drop it

What causes variations?
1. Mutations and recombination

The evidence for evolution is fossil records and the fact that you don’t reason like me. You need very thick skulls to keep a decent variation in our gene pool

It’s key for survival

haddeylium:


You're confused truly

you are the confuse person here.

You don’t know what variation and you seem not to even know what mutation is.

Bacteriologist:


Ok so what do you mean by incredible?

I wouldn't necessarily believe it. Unless you can demonstrate to me that it indeed formed itself in a big bang process.

There's not a proof of life out of nothing.

So, you should keep the same energy

FatherOFJesus2:
I have been trying to convince one ever since that mutations doesn’t necessarily lead to new specie.

He’s just thicker than a wall, can grasp it.

He thinks every mutation will produce new specie like TMNT.

Lol I am following the conversation although I try to avoid evolution conversations with theists.

It's a pity when they think evolution is an atheist thing when several religious people now accept the evolution theory.

It just shows a lack of knowledge of physical laws and basic biology, when a person cannot grasp the simple concept of evolution. Maybe they should give us their explanation of why drug resistance and vaccination shots exist then.

haddeylium:

There's not a proof of life out of nothing.
So, you should keep the same energy

What has that got to do with the big bang? or anything I have discussed so far?