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Ihedinobi3:
Whatever the mechanics might be, the Bible says that the magicians had their wooden rods turn into snakes. Of course, it is God Who gives life, but does the Bible teach that He does not grant the power to do things like that to the enemy?

I did mention the example of the Nephilim. How were demons able to produce human children through relations with human women? In order for a human being to exist, God creates a human spirit to animate a human body. How then did the Nephilim exist? They were not normal human beings. They were insane productions of angelic and human dalliance. Did God honor that dalliance by creating a human spirit to animate the strange creations that the women bore for the rebel angels? Obviously He did, or else they would not have been living creatures at all. Is this a contradiction of God's Character? Not at all. After all, not a single evil thought, word, or deed would exist unless God made it possible, that is, unless He empowered it. Those who sin can only sin because God gives them the ability to sin. Nephilim could only exist because God made them able to exist. Wood can be turned into living snakes only because God made it possible for the magicians to do that.

All power comes from God. God allows and empowers evil only to demonstrate just how evil it is. Extrabiblical speculations are the way to end up in disobedience to God. If the Bible says a thing, the right thing to do is to humbly believe it and obey it, not to make excuses for it or to adjust it in any way to fit any unilateral ideas that we have.

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.
Proverbs 3:7 (NIV)

I think I have another explanation for that of the Nephilim!

I do not think that God individually put a spirit into a human foetus at conception.
Only humans have been given the delegated power by God to reproduce new human spirit beings. Angels do not reproduce!

Satan and his fallen angels thought of reproducing their kind (a means of population regeneration) by breeding with humans. The hybrid offspring formed was neither human nor angel: they were the Nephilim. Nephilim seem to be the earthbound spirits at death. They do not qualify for redemption (they were not human in the first place): their spirits at death cannot go to sheol hence they roam about the earth with great hatred for mankind.

While occultist can not create life but they can cause manipulation, I remember when I was a little boy I used to watch on television a certain festival done in Benin, there was an image of a lion or so seating beside the oba at a time the moulded figure would become a real lion walking round and later it would turn back to an sculpture, it kept on repeating itself throughout the ceremony.
Yes satan has serious power to perform signs and wonders, which he will use to decieve the whole world when the time comes, presently people are buying into the lie of humanism and atheism, it is all a ploy to prepare them to recieve lucifer as their god.

Blabbermouth:
Jasher? I will skip. Jasher's book hasn't been found.

Its available now. Why not check it out and judge for yourself. You know We could say dead sea scrolls were fake too

petra1:
Its available now. Why not check it out and judge for yourself. You know We could say dead sea scrolls were fake too

I've checked it out and i've judged, it's not the book of Jasher.
Except perhaps, the version I have with me is different from yours

petra1:
I don't get your point. Are you saying the experience of money appearing is not true. Or it is true but I shouldn't mention it because it will be seen as glorification of the devil?

May I ask you two simple questions, I need honest answer to the questions: Did you or the girl see the clothes/money disppearing and appearing?

I know the limits of satan. He is under us true believers. We draw our powers from GOD, where does satan draw that kind of powers from?

shadeyinka:
I think I have another explanation for that of the Nephilim!

I do not think that God individually put a spirit into a human foetus at conception.
Only humans have been given the delegated power by God to reproduce new human spirit beings. Angels do not reproduce!

Satan and his fallen angels thought of reproducing their kind (a means of population regeneration) by breeding with humans. The hybrid offspring formed was neither human nor angel: they were the Nephilim. Nephilim seem to be the earthbound spirits at death. They do not qualify for redemption (they were not human in the first place): their spirits at death cannot go to sheol hence they roam about the earth with great hatred for mankind.

As I said and showed from the verse in Proverbs, it is always best to listen to the Bible and not make up theories. That is true wisdom. If the Bible says a thing, then it is true; if it does not, then at the very best we cannot be sure that it is true, and at worst it could be entirely false. And only the truth that we believe will actually set us free, not any theories that we espouse.

This is what the Bible says:

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:7 (NKJV)

​1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1 (NKJV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Psalms 139:13 (NIV)

These are things that the Bible actually says. I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that the Lord delegated the power to reproduce new human spirit beings to anybody. If you have a Bible passage that says this, I would be happy to read it and be corrected.

Human bodies are the machines that God uses now to produce new human bodies. Apart from Adam whom the Lord God created from the dust of the earth, every individual human being whom the Lord creates is crafted within another human body. However, just as the Lord put the spirit in Adam after forming his body from the earth so that he could live, so He also creates a new spirit and puts into every baby just as they exit their mother's womb. This is what the actual reading of the Scriptures leads me to believe. I see no biblical reason to believe anything else.

As for the Nephilim, this too is what I read in the Bible --

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)

The Bible calls them "men." That seems rather conclusive to me. Given the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 too and all the other prophecies about the Antichrist found in, for example, Daniel 11, Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, and Revelation 13, it is obvious that being the product of Satan, an angel, and a Jewish woman, a human, does not mean that he is not human. He is certainly half-angel because of his parentage, but he is not other than human.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NIV)

I do agree that Satan wanted to reproduce his kind, but I don't think that by his kind "angels" are meant. I don't see any thing in the Bible to think that Satan even thought that it was possible to produce more angels. What seems obvious from my reading of the Bible is that Satan planned to create a new strain of humanity that would eventually replace all the pure humans in the world so that the Messiah promised in Genesis 3:15 would never be born. That was why the Bible made a point of saying that Noah was "perfect in his generations," (see Genesis 6:9 KJV and NKJV). That phrase was not speaking of his morality or relationship to God. That bit was covered by "righteous" and "walked with God." "Perfect in his generations" spoke to the purity of his humanity, that is, he was not a Nephilim. There were fewer and fewer human beings left as more and more women wanted to have Nephilim children too (who doesn't want to have children with "superior genes" that will be great in the world? Note the meaning of Noah's name and his father's stated reason for naming him that way, for example). Not only did this mean that more and more people were getting involved with rebel angels in a way that meant that if they had been believers previously, they probably wouldn't remain believers after such craziness. There may be a clue to this in the fact that Noah uniquely seems to have gotten married really late in life. His forebears generally had their first children before they turned 200, with some of them having children even before they turned 100, but Noah had his own children only after he turned 500. It is certainly possible that he married early and simply suffered a delay in childbirth as sometimes happens even with righteous men, but given the information in Genesis 6:1-2, it seems more likely that women were more interested in getting together with these angels that gave them such powerful children than in marrying ordinary men, much less "goody two-shoes like Noah." You'll remember that his 120-year preaching about the coming wrath of God went disregarded by everyone in his generation, so he must not have been wildly popular for being righteous.

The Nephilim are a great part of Genesis 6:5. We can see from the example of the Antichrist that Nephilim don't seem inclined at all to obedience to God. They seem to be wired to just be evil like their angelic parents. This is the reason in fact that the Lord brought the global flood that destroyed them. Ordinary human beings have always been evil, but some of us do repent of our wickedness, and we humans are ridiculously easy to kill. A global flood is not necessary to kill all human beings. But Nephilim are both unrepentantly wicked and also very hard to kill (again, the example of the Antichrist proves this), so a global flood brought to destroy them makes sense.

That is to say that while Satan indeed was looking to create his kind, he was not looking to create angels. He was looking to create a fatally corrupted human species that would replace all the normal human people in the world and he would have succeeded too if the Lord had not intervened for the sake of humanity.

I see nothing in the Bible to say that Nephilim are "earthbound spirits." The Antichrist is one and we know that he is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). I also see no reason to think that they don't qualify for redemption. Again, this seems to me to be extrabiblical reasoning. Jesus did come to die for human beings, not angels, but the Bible calls Nephilim men. If it does, I see no reason to think that any Nephiyl that were to repent would not be saved. The only issue is that it appears that they never have any desire at all to be in good relations with God (Genesis 6:5). So, I would neither say that Nephilim are not qualified for salvation in the sense that I suppose that you mean, since in fact the Bible treats them as human too, nor say that they remain on earth to roam about without going to Sheol after they die. Neither seems to me to be in the Bible.

Brother, this is correct.

Ihedinobi3:
As I said and showed from the verse in Proverbs, it is always best to listen to the Bible and not make up theories. That is true wisdom. If the Bible says a thing, then it is true; if it does not, then at the very best we cannot be sure that it is true, and at worst it could be entirely false. And only the truth that we believe will actually set us free, not any theories that we espouse.

This is what the Bible says:

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:7 (NKJV)

​1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1 (NKJV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Psalms 139:13 (NIV)

These are things that the Bible actually says. I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that the Lord delegated the power to reproduce new human spirit beings to anybody. If you have a Bible passage that says this, I would be happy to read it and be corrected.

Human bodies are the machines that God uses now to produce new human bodies. Apart from Adam whom the Lord God created from the dust of the earth, every individual human being whom the Lord creates is crafted within another human body. However, just as the Lord put the spirit in Adam after forming his body from the earth so that he could live, so He also creates a new spirit and puts into every baby just as they exit their mother's womb. This is what the actual reading of the Scriptures leads me to believe. I see no biblical reason to believe anything else.

As for the Nephilim, this too is what I read in the Bible --

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)

The Bible calls them "men." That seems rather conclusive to me. Given the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 too and all the other prophecies about the Antichrist found in, for example, Daniel 11, Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, and Revelation 13, it is obvious that being the product of Satan, an angel, and a Jewish woman, a human, does not mean that he is not human. He is certainly half-angel because of his parentage, but he is not other than human.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NIV)

I do agree that Satan wanted to reproduce his kind, but I don't think that by his kind "angels" are meant. I don't see any thing in the Bible to think that Satan even thought that it was possible to produce more angels. What seems obvious from my reading of the Bible is that Satan planned to create a new strain of humanity that would eventually replace all the pure humans in the world so that the Messiah promised in Genesis 3:15 would never be born. That was why the Bible made a point of saying that Noah was "perfect in his generations," (see Genesis 6:9 KJV and NKJV). That phrase was not speaking of his morality or relationship to God. That bit was covered by "righteous" and "walked with God." "Perfect in his generations" spoke to the purity of his humanity, that is, he was not a Nephilim. There were fewer and fewer human beings left as more and more women wanted to have Nephilim children too (who doesn't want to have children with "superior genes" that will be great in the world? Note the meaning of Noah's name and his father's stated reason for naming him that way, for example). Not only did this mean that more and more people were getting involved with rebel angels in a way that meant that if they had been believers previously, they probably wouldn't remain believers after such craziness. There may be a clue to this in the fact that Noah uniquely seems to have gotten married really late in life. His forebears generally had their first children before they turned 200, with some of them having children even before they turned 100, but Noah had his own children only after he turned 500. It is certainly possible that he married early and simply suffered a delay in childbirth as sometimes happens even with righteous men, but given the information in Genesis 6:1-2, it seems more likely that women were more interested in getting together with these angels that gave them such powerful children than in marrying ordinary men, much less "goody two-shoes like Noah." You'll remember that his 120-year preaching about the coming wrath of God went disregarded by everyone in his generation, so he must not have been wildly popular for being righteous.

The Nephilim are a great part of Genesis 6:5. We can see from the example of the Antichrist that Nephilim don't seem inclined at all to obedience to God. They seem to be wired to just be evil like their angelic parents. This is the reason in fact that the Lord brought the global flood that destroyed them. Ordinary human beings have always been evil, but some of us do repent of our wickedness, and we humans are ridiculously easy to kill. A global flood is not necessary to kill all human beings. But Nephilim are both unrepentantly wicked and also very hard to kill (again, the example of the Antichrist proves this), so a global flood brought to destroy them makes sense.

That is to say that while Satan indeed was looking to create his kind, he was not looking to create angels. He was looking to create a fatally corrupted human species that would replace all the normal human people in the world and he would have succeeded too if the Lord had not intervened for the sake of humanity.

I see nothing in the Bible to say that Nephilim are "earthbound spirits." The Antichrist is one and we know that he is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). I also see no reason to think that they don't qualify for redemption. Again, this seems to me to be extrabiblical reasoning. Jesus did come to die for human beings, not angels, but the Bible calls Nephilim men. If it does, I see no reason to think that any Nephiyl that were to repent would not be saved. The only issue is that it appears that they never have any desire at all to be in good relations with God (Genesis 6:5). So, I would neither say that Nephilim are not qualified for salvation in the sense that I suppose that you mean, since in fact the Bible treats them as human too, nor say that they remain on earth to roam about without going to Sheol after they die. Neither seems to me to be in the Bible.

Ihedinobi3:
As I said and showed from the verse in Proverbs, it is always best to listen to the Bible and not make up theories. That is true wisdom. If the Bible says a thing, then it is true; if it does not, then at the very best we cannot be sure that it is true, and at worst it could be entirely false. And only the truth that we believe will actually set us free, not any theories that we espouse.

This is what the Bible says:

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:7 (NKJV)

​1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1 (NKJV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Psalms 139:13 (NIV)

These are things that the Bible actually says. I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that the Lord delegated the power to reproduce new human spirit beings to anybody. If you have a Bible passage that says this, I would be happy to read it and be corrected.

Genesis 2:7 says man was formed from the dust of the earth and God breath into his nostrils the breath and man became a living soul. This is true BUT, does this scripture also apply to conception? Can one say that foetuses are made from the dust of the ground and the Lord has to BREATH into its nostrils for a baby to become living?

The bible didn't record everything. And the bible does not intend to record everything. Some things are known only by experience or revelation. We must be careful however that whatever we know DOES NOT contradict the written Scripture. Whatever that is NOT explicitly stated MUST NOT be made a doctrine. It just represent our understanding of the blind side of the scripture.

If we are to look at the scripture highlight in RED. You may want to say that for the formation of the human baby in the womb, the mother really has no input as the LORD Himself cell by cell add to the foetus until the baby is born. Is that not what the literal scripture says?

However, the Psalmist was only stating that the Lord knows everything about him and the Lord is his creator right from the womb. Just as the scriptures say that the very hairs on our head are numbered: meaning that God knows about even the insignificant part of our lives.

Ihedinobi3:
Human bodies are the machines that God uses now to produce new human bodies. Apart from Adam whom the Lord God created from the dust of the earth, every individual human being whom the Lord creates is crafted within another human body. However, just as the Lord put the spirit in Adam after forming his body from the earth so that he could live, so He also creates a new spirit and puts into every baby just as they exit their mother's womb. This is what the actual reading of the Scriptures leads me to believe. I see no biblical reason to believe anything else.

God made man in His OWN Image!
Seth was NOT born in the image of God but the image of their parent (Adam and Eve)
Gen 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness , after his own image ; and he named him Seth.

Meaning that you cant just apply such scriptures as Gen 2:7 in a generalized way.

The highlight in green is not supported by Gen2:7

Ihedinobi3:
As for the Nephilim, this too is what I read in the Bible --

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)

The Bible calls them "men." That seems rather conclusive to me. Given the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 too and all the other prophecies about the Antichrist found in, for example, Daniel 11, Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, and Revelation 13, it is obvious that being the product of Satan, an angel, and a Jewish woman, a human, does not mean that he is not human. He is certainly half-angel because of his parentage, but he is not other than human.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NIV)
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I still hold on to the fact that the Nephilim were neither Angels nor Men.

The bible refer to them as men because they had human attributes while they were alive.

Your argument of saying the bible records them to be men of renown must be looked at from the point of view of their physical attributes. If you insist that the argument of the use of "men" must be taken literally, will you also agree that Angel Gabriel is a MAN?
Dan9:21
21while I was still praying, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice

OR
Reference to Jesus as a man
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”


[quote author=Ihedinobi3 post=96781907]I do agree that Satan wanted to reproduce his kind, but I don't think that by his kind "angels" are meant. I don't see any thing in the Bible to think that Satan even thought that it was possible to produce more angels. What seems obvious from my reading of the Bible is that Satan planned to create a new strain of humanity that would eventually replace all the pure humans in the world so that the Messiah promised in Genesis 3:15 would never be born. That was why the Bible made a point of saying that Noah was "perfect in his generations," (see Genesis 6:9 KJV and NKJV). That phrase was not speaking of his morality or relationship to God. That bit was covered by "righteous" and "walked with God." "Perfect in his generations" spoke to the purity of his humanity, that is, he was not a Nephilim. There were fewer and fewer human beings left as more and more women wanted to have Nephilim children too (who doesn't want to have children with "superior genes" that will be great in the world? Note the meaning of Noah's name and his father's stated reason for naming him that way, for example). Not only did this mean that more and more people were getting involved with rebel angels in a way that meant that if they had been believers previously, they probably wouldn't remain believers after such craziness. There may be a clue to this in the fact that Noah uniquely seems to have gotten married really late in life. His forebears generally had their first children before they turned 200, with some of them having children even before they turned 100, but Noah had his own children only after he turned 500. It is certainly possible that he married early and simply suffered a delay in childbirth as sometimes happens even with righteous men, but given the information in Genesis 6:1-2, it seems more likely that women were more interested in getting together with these angels that gave them such powerful children than in marrying ordinary men, much less "goody two-shoes like Noah." You'll remember that his 120-year preaching about the coming wrath of God went disregarded by everyone in his generation, so he must not have been wildly popular for being righteous.

I do not think that I have insinuated that satan want to produce angelic beings by copulating with humans.
I have reiterated that
1. Only humans have been the given the authority/power to reproduce spirit (human) beings
2. Angels cannot reproduce their kinds

My argument was that if the souls of dead humans went to sheol, where did the souls of the Nephilim go after death?
Do Nephilims qualify for redemption of Christ on the cross?

My little experience in deliverance show that many demons have human attributes AND many are not that intelligent and are subject to fear and vanities showing that they are NOT the fallen Angels. The bible did not say anything about the origins of demons. Anything we know about demons or fallen angels are educated guesses and must not be made doctrine.

Ihedinobi3:
The Nephilim are a great part of Genesis 6:5. We can see from the example of the Antichrist that Nephilim don't seem inclined at all to obedience to God. They seem to be wired to just be evil like their angelic parents. This is the reason in fact that the Lord brought the global flood that destroyed them. Ordinary human beings have always been evil, but some of us do repent of our wickedness, and we humans are ridiculously easy to kill. A global flood is not necessary to kill all human beings. But Nephilim are both unrepentantly wicked and also very hard to kill (again, the example of the Antichrist proves this), so a global flood brought to destroy them makes sense.

That is to say that while Satan indeed was looking to create his kind, he was not looking to create angels. He was looking to create a fatally corrupted human species that would replace all the normal human people in the world and he would have succeeded too if the Lord had not intervened for the sake of humanity.

I see nothing in the Bible to say that Nephilim are "earthbound spirits." The Antichrist is one and we know that he is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). I also see no reason to think that they don't qualify for redemption. Again, this seems to me to be extrabiblical reasoning. Jesus did come to die for human beings, not angels, but the Bible calls Nephilim men. If it does, I see no reason to think that any Nephiyl that were to repent would not be saved. The only issue is that it appears that they never have any desire at all to be in good relations with God (Genesis 6:5). So, I would neither say that Nephilim are not qualified for salvation in the sense that I suppose that you mean, since in fact the Bible treats them as human too, nor say that they remain on earth to roam about without going to Sheol after they die. Neither seems to me to be in the Bible.

You are probably hearing the word "earth bound" for the first time. Jewish Rabbis call demons Dybbuks which mean "earth bound". Dybbuks are supposed to be ghosts/spirits who possess humans to cause them to physically propagate evil in the world.
Before you scream blue blood, as of the time of Christ, some of the Jewish Rabbis were also doing some form of deliverance
Matthew12:27-28
And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The demons called legion didn't ask for redemption rather, they seem to know for certain that there is a day of judgment which as of that time was not yet time.
Matthew8:29
29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”


The Bible didn't insinuate that demons nor fallen angels can repent and be forgive. If the forgiveness of humans require the spilling of a perfect human blood, what would be the requirement for forgiveness of spirit beings

OpenYourEyes3:
May I ask you two simple questions, I need honest answer to the questions: Did you or the girl see the clothes/money disppearing and appearing?

I told you we went to her house to bring our the bags of clothes and we set fire on them. I saw the clothes myself and burned them.

I didn't say I saw the money the other lady only said the spirit do bring money to her . And it appears in closed locker when she needs it while one for clothes say thesame thing she goes out locks the door and when she comes back she meets the bags of clothes .

I know the limits of satan. He is under us true believers. We draw our powers from GOD, where does satan draw that kind of powers from?

Have you heard about Christians who went to destroy shrine and died ? Where did satan get the power from?

Have you heard about individuals who complain of things missing. Money jewelries some even clothes . But many atimes money . In locked compartments. Money start disappearing. What about those who go to Malaysia to change dollars to naira. They count it in the presence of the guy and the money is complete they get home half of it disappears

shadeyinka:
Genesis 2:7 says man was formed from the dust of the earth and God breath into his nostrils the breath and man became a living soul. This is true BUT, does this scripture also apply to conception? Can one say that foetuses are made from the dust of the ground and the Lord has to BREATH into its nostrils for a baby to become living?

The bible didn't record everything. And the bible does not intend to record everything. Some things are known only by experience or revelation. We must be careful however that whatever we know DOES NOT contradict the written Scripture. Whatever that is NOT explicitly stated MUST NOT be made a doctrine. It just represent our understanding of the blind side of the scripture.

If we are to look at the scripture highlight in RED. You may want to say that for the formation of the human baby in the womb, the mother really has no input as the LORD Himself cell by cell add to the foetus until the baby is born. Is that not what the literal scripture says?

However, the Psalmist was only stating that the Lord knows everything about him and the Lord is his creator right from the womb. Just as the scriptures say that the very hairs on our head are numbered: meaning that God knows about even the insignificant part of our lives.


God made man in His OWN Image!
Seth was NOT born in the image of God but the image of their parent (Adam and Eve)
Gen 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness , after his own image ; and he named him Seth.

Meaning that you cant just apply such scriptures as Gen 2:7 in a generalized way.

The highlight in green is not supported by Gen2:7

I do not think that I have insinuated that satan want to produce angelic beings by copulating with humans.
I have reiterated that
1. Only humans have been the given the authority/power to reproduce spirit (human) beings
2. Angels cannot reproduce their kinds

My argument was that if the souls of dead humans went to sheol, where did the souls of the Nephilim go after death?
Do Nephilims qualify for redemption of Christ on the cross?

My little experience in deliverance show that many demons have human attributes AND many are not that intelligent and are subject to fear and vanities showing that they are NOT the fallen Angels. The bible did not say anything about the origins of demons. Anything we know about demons or fallen angels are educated guesses and must not be made doctrine.

You are probably hearing the word "earth bound" for the first time. Jewish Rabbis call demons Dybbuks which mean "earth bound". Dybbuks are supposed to be ghosts/spirits who possess humans to cause them to physically propagate evil in the world.
Before you scream blue blood, as of the time of Christ, some of the Jewish Rabbis were also doing some form of deliverance
Matthew12:27-28
And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The demons called legion didn't ask for redemption rather, they seem to know for certain that there is a day of judgment which as of that time was not yet time.
Matthew8:29
29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”


The Bible didn't insinuate that demons nor fallen angels can repent and be forgive. If the forgiveness of humans require the spilling of a perfect human blood, what would be the requirement for forgiveness of spirit beings

1. As Zechariah 12:1 quoted in my response to you shows, yes, indeed, it applies to conception. But the better question to ask is why it wouldn't apply to conception. If the Bible only teaches that God formed Adam and then put a spirit into him so that he could be alive, even if it did not go on to tell us that God "forms a spirit within man," we have no reason at all to think that because man's body is not being formed directly from the dust of the earth but using provisions within the woman's body God stopped creating a spirit to animate human bodies. Why should we think that? If the Bible does not indicate that anything changed beyond the direct material used to create the human body, I see no reason why we should assume that anything changed.

2. On what authority do you claim that the Bible does not record everything that we need to know? Does the Bible teach anywhere that it is to be supplemented with "experience" or "revelation"? Does it not rather say the following?

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NKJV)

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NKJV)

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)

2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 4:2 (NKJV)

5 Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. 6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6 (NKJV)

Obviously, if the words of the Scriptures are all that is necessary for a man (or a child) of God to become "complete" and "thoroughly equipped for every good work", then there is nothing that is missing in it.

Also, if God has spoken in His Son Who is Himself the Word of God and the One of Whom all the Scriptures speak, then why should we expect to find anything missing in the Bible that either experience or "revelation" will provide?

As the other passages posted above (and, again, these are by no mean the only passages that speak of these things) clearly show, the Scriptures themselves forbid any addition to what they say or any removal at all from their words.

To be clear, the issue is not about contradicting or not. Anything at all added to the Bible, anything presented as being of equal authority with it is condemned by the Lord Himself. If your experience or revelation is in agreement with the Scriptures, then you will find that the Scriptures have already provided any knowledge that they purport to provide, and that renders them at least redundant.

That is all to say that your position is clearly antibiblical here.

3. I was clear that the Lord uses the woman's body to produce children now. I did not even suggest at all that the woman has no part to play. I am only refuting your claim that any human being is able to produce human spirit beings. Not a single human being has such authority or power. The woman's body is used by the Lord to produce other human bodies, but the spirit is still created by the Lord and put into the baby at birth without any human contribution. The creation of human spirits is entirely God's Work with no human component to it.

4. The psalmist's words hardly need interpreting. So I consider your statement a clear rejection of Scriptural witness.

5. Even elementary logic is clear that if B is in the image of A and C is in the image of B, then C is in the image of A too. So, your argument falls flat on its face. But you do have a point about that statement in Genesis 4:3. It is somewhat strange that it should read as it does, but the strangeness does not excuse your interpretation. It is still an obviously wrong one.

First, the image of God is simply free will. God is wholly Spirit. He is not physical at all, so His image is a spiritual thing. Since we understand that it is connected to the exercise of moral authority (Genesis 1:26), we see even more clearly that this image is something that enables us to act consciously in response to God's Authority.

Obviously, all human beings have a free will. So, we are all in the image of God. This much is reiterated by God in Genesis 9.

6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.
Genesis 9:6 (NKJV)

Adam, then, is not to be understood as the only human being made in God's Image. All human beings are.

As for Seth and others being made "in [Adam's] likeness and according to [or after] his image," this switching of terms is deliberate. The explanation for this is involved, but suffice to say that in the Hebrew "in" indicates a closer relationship than "according to." When the Scriptures spoke of Adam being made in the image of God and according to His likeness, the comparison was between Adam and God. All human beings are created like Adam to be like God in possessing a free will. That is our common spiritual essence. We all have the spiritual characteristics including mentality, consciousness, and intelligence to make free will choices. This is a mirror of God's Own Sovereignty, His unfettered Will.

To be made according to His likeness, on the other hand, means that mankind is composed of multiple individuals who are responsible to make their own choices in response to God's Authority. The similarity to God here is that God is a Trinity, that is, there are three Persons Who are God. Obviously, however, this similarity is not as close as the one of the image because whereas we have a will that is very similar to what God has, we are created to have individual responsibility to make our choices in response to God. This is different from the way the Trinity works. The Three are always in perfect agreement and always working together. So, although we possess individuality similar to Them, our individual responsibility for our choices makes that similarity of a lesser degree than the one about our wills versus God's Sovereignty.

In the case of Adam and Seth, the comparison is between man and man rather than man and God. Seth is being compared to Adam. In this situation, we know that they are exactly parallel to each other in their possession of individuality, so Seth is in Adam's likeness. But when we are speaking of image, the comparison is between Adam as a whole person to Seth as a whole person (just as in the comparion of Adam to God in the question of image, we were being taught how man is in his very essence similar to God in His Own essence as well). This latter comparison quickly shows that Seth is a different person from Adam although they are both human. So, Seth is according to Adam's image, that is, they are similar in their humanity, but obviously different people in their whole selves.

I see no biblical reason, then, why Genesis 2:7 is not to be understood as the Scriptural principle for the creation of every human being. Although we are not all made directly from the dust of the earth like Adam was, we are certainly made according to the same pattern as he was. The Scriptures do not give us any reason at all to think that anything changed about that. Seth's being in the likeness of Adam and according to his image is no proof at all that God has not continued to mold human bodies first and then created a spirit and put into them at the end of the molding process. Zechariah 12:1 seems to me to be clear that that is still the case.

I also fail to see what you mean by the text you highlighted in my response not being supported by Genesis 2:7. I think that my arguments both in my response and here are clear that this is what the Scriptures teach.

6. My mistake then. You did say that angels cannot reproduce, but then you said "population regeneration" too, so I was a little confused. Nonetheless, my arguments still stand as made. I don't think I have anything more to add to what I already said about the Nephilim. As for your experience with deliverance, I believe that I already told you that in my reading of the Bible, I see no reason to believe that there is any true exorcism occuring anywhere. I'm afraid I cannot give any credence to your experience here. I don't believe that your or your experience has equal authority with the Bible.

It should also be easy to see that your experience as described is, at least, misleading. If your reason for believing that the demons you exorcised were not rebel angels is that they were not very intelligent and that they were afraid and that therefore they are Nephilim, you probably don't pay much attention to Genesis 6:4. It is quite clear that the Nephilim were considerably more powerful than humans in attainment. They don't lack at all in intelligence or in physical power. That is why the Antichrist will be so successful in deceiving the whole world. Normal human intellect will simply not match his. The only people who will be delivered out of his lies are those who are and will be diligently studying the Bible to learn all that God has to teach. So, whatever you were exorcising, it most definitely was no Nephiyl or rebel angel at all.

7. First, I couldn't care less what any Jewish rabbis said, if it is not supported by the Scriptures themselves.

Second, the Bible does not say nor does it report our Lord Jesus to say that any Jewish rabbis were carrying out any exorcism. The Lord asked a question on the basis of the false assumptions that his accusers held. Since they believed that their sons were actually driving demons out, by what power were they doing so? That was His question. He never even suggested that these "sons" were actually successful at actually driving any demons out. In fact, He made it clear that if demons were actually getting driven out, it must be because God Himself was doing it.

19 Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20 But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 11:19-20 (NIV)

Third, I certainly don't hold that rebel angels can either repent or be forgiven. They have already been condemned by the Lord. Their sentence is only suspended until the Church and the Friends of the Bride are completed. The Nephilim are another matter, however. Because they are half-human, I see no reason to believe that they are not "qualified for redemption." If they repent, they'll be saved. But the Scriptures appear to indicate that repentance is just not in their nature.

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What about cloning ?

petra1:
I told you we went to her house to bring our the bags of clothes and we set fire on them. I saw the clothes myself and burned them.

I didn't say I saw the money the other lady only said the spirit do bring money to her . And it appears in closed locker when she needs it while one for clothes say thesame thing she goes out locks the door and when she comes back she meets the bags of clothes .



Have you heard about Christians who went to destroy shrine and died ? Where did satan get the power from?

Have you heard about individuals who complain of things missing. Money jewelries some even clothes . But many atimes money . In locked compartments. Money start disappearing. What about those who go to Malaysia to change dollars to naira. They count it in the presence of the guy and the money is complete they get home half of it disappears

I was actually interested in evidence of the physical materials disappearing (de-materialize) and reappear (re-materialize). I used to believe things like that but I later learnt from GOD that the evil side is not as powerful as i/we believed. I was told after I was delivered that alot of the paranormal videos I watched and believe were heavily exaggerated and encouraged by people who rule the world. They are exaggeratimg the powers of the dark side on youtube. Since I was told that, I deleted all the paranormal youtube Channels in disgust and fear of GOD.
I can assure you that someone or people kept the clothes and money there secretly. This can be recreated by any talented person and it would look like miracle to people. What the girls believe about the appearing of clothes/money are lies from kingdom of darkness to make her think they can miraculously make things disappear and appear. I do not believe them. I believe what the Bible says about their powers and limits.

OpenYourEyes3:
I was actually interested in evidence of the physical materials disappearing (de-materialize) and reappear (re-materialize). I used to believe things like that but I later

Does it matter if I saw it dissappear or not . The truth it that these things do happen . If you don't know about it thats just your personal lack of information.

I can assure you that someone or people kept the clothes and money there secretly.

How would they know her desire and get access to her locked room to drop designers clothes in there.

This can be recreated by any talented person and it would look like miracle to people.

Just like the skeptics says the money from Peter fish must be fake.

What the girls believe about the appearing of clothes/money are lies from kingdom of darkness to make her think they can miraculously make things disappear and appear

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What about women who give birth to lizards or strange objects. I've ministered to someone with migraine headaxhe and a long pin came out of her through the mouth . And she was healed . How did the pin enter her? Ofcourse I know Its witchcraft . .

You are curious for the supernatural but because you have not experienced it you rather deny it. I would you rather do research on areas you do not have much information. If not it is better to be silent over issues you know little or nothing about.

I do not believe them. I believe what the Bible says about their powers and limits.

You neither believe the bible. It says their rod turn into serpent. You cant allow your personal skepticism to overulle scripture. The realm of the spirit is the realm of the spirit. Either light or dark

Ww see vision They see vision too. Ofcourse we call theirs divination. But its same principle .

petra1:
Does it matter if I saw it dissappear or not . The truth it that these things do happen . If you don't know about it thats just your personal lack of information.



How would they know her desire and get access to her locked room to drop designers clothes in there.



Just like the skeptics says the money from Peter fish must be fake.

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What about women who give birth to lizards or strange objects. I've ministered to someone with migraine headaxhe and a long pin came out of her through the mouth . And she was healed . How did the pin enter her? Ofcourse I know Its witchcraft . .

You are curious for the supernatural but because you have not experienced it you rather deny it. I would you rather do research on areas you do not have much information. If not it is better to be silent over issues you know little or nothing about.



You neither believe the bible. It says their rod turn into serpent. You cant allow your personal skepticism to overulle scripture. The realm of the spirit is the realm of the spirit. Either light or dark

Ww see vision They see vision too. Ofcourse we call theirs divination. But its same principle .

The truth is that satan or his servants cannot do what you claim they did. Only GOD has that kind of Power. Why do you guys hardly record this claim? Weren't there people who witness the clothes/money disappearing and appearing? How about the two to three honest witnesses recommended by the Holy Bible to prove cases like that? Or you just want me to believe them without proofs?


The world is under the power of satan and you ask they know? Billions of people on earth are servants of satan and you seem not to understand what satan can do with his servants


What skeptic? And which Peter? I'm not skeptic of the truth. I do not doubt what GOD can do. HE can do all things. satan can't!



Are you suggesting that the pin got inside her body through similar means (appeared inside her body)?


Thesame Bible says the anti-christ gave life to image made by human hands. Do you believe satan can create real life in that manner?

petra1:
What about cloning ?

Hope you are not suggesting that cloning is proof they can create life.
Cloning doesn't involve creating life from nothing. It's like taking a tiny living fish from a river and having it grow in a fish tank... The fish farmer didn't create a life, same as those who clone living things.

OpenYourEyes3:
The truth is that satan or his servants cannot do what you claim they did

Youre wrong. Satan does operate in supernatural. How do you think he will gather nation to battle.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

I've told you before. The realm of the spirit is the realm if the spirit.. internet is internet . You may use Glo or Mtn. God never denies the enemy ability and power. He only gave us authority over his ability. But to deny the ability of the enemy is ignorance


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Only GOD has that kind of Power. Why do you guys hardly record this claim?

What claim

Weren't there people who witness the clothes/money disappearing and appearing? How about the two to three honest witnesses recommended by the Holy Bible to prove cases like that? Or you just want me to believe them without proofs?

I cannot force you . You had enough issues believing the bible claim . That socerers turned rods to serpent

The world is under the power of satan and you ask they know? Billions of people on earth are servants of satan and you seem not to understand what satan can do with his servants

Youre just talking with assumptions . Do a research brother. You're very ignorant of the realm of the spirit. Instead of arguing on what you don't know why not ask questions or do research .

I have asked you a question b. Have you heard of cases of people losing money ? And objects . In a locked closet?

What about people who wake up and oart if their hair has been cut off? What about people who wake up and see marks of razor cutting on their hands or body. What do you know about witchcraft? Don't just sit in front of computer arguing. Research brother . I'm not talking theories that I read.

What skeptic? And which Peter? I'm not skeptic of the truth. I do not doubt what GOD can do. HE can do all things. satan can't!

If satan has no power . How do people get afflicted,killed and destroyed. The first blind case that got healed through me was a Christian attacked by witchcraft. She had a quarell with a neighbor and the neighbors threatened her" You Will see " the following day the Christian got blind in the bathroom. For 2 months they carried her to hospital ,even to native. Until they brought her to me. God miraculously healed her.

Are you suggesting that the pin got inside her body through similar means (appeared inside her body)?

Precisely! Have you seen a deliverance session before and see what people vomit? Some vomit blood ,phelm, cowries etc

Thesame Bible says the anti-christ gave life to image made by human hands. Do you believe satan can create real life in that manner?

If the bible says so take it like that. It doesn't reduce God.

OpenYourEyes3:
Hope you are not suggesting that cloning is proof they can create life.
Cloning doesn't involve creating life from nothing. It's like taking a tiny living fish from a river and having it grow in a fish tank... The fish farmer didn't create a life, same as those who clone living things.

There is demonic science brother. Thats why we are against the covid vaccine. It will alter DNA. . Peoole will no longer be real human. Salvation is nor for robots.
Those who receive the mark will not be saved
Read the book of enoch and jasher

petra1:
Youre wrong. Satan does operate in supernatural. How do you think he will gather nation to battle.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

I've told you before. The realm of the spirit is the realm if the spirit.. internet is internet . You may use Glo or Mtn. God never denies the enemy ability and power. He only gave us authority over his ability. But to deny the ability of the enemy is ignorance


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What claim



I cannot force you . You had enough issues believing the bible claim . That socerers turned rods to serpent



Youre just talking with assumptions . Do a research brother. You're very ignorant of the realm of the spirit. Instead of arguing on what you don't know why not ask questions or do research .

I have asked you a question b. Have you heard of cases of people losing money ? And objects . In a locked closet?

What about people who wake up and oart if their hair has been cut off? What about people who wake up and see marks of razor cutting on their hands or body. What do you know about witchcraft? Don't just sit in front of computer arguing. Research brother . I'm not talking theories that I read.



If satan has no power . How do people get afflicted,killed and destroyed. The first blind case that got healed through me was a Christian attacked by witchcraft. She had a quarell with a neighbor and the neighbors threatened her" You Will see " the following day the Christian got blind in the bathroom. For 2 months they carried her to hospital ,even to native. Until they brought her to me. God miraculously healed her.



Precisely! Have you seen a deliverance session before and see what people vomit? Some vomit blood ,phelm, cowries etc



If the bible says so take it like that. It doesn't reduce God.

Here is something important you need to understand, the miracles are all false. They are what Paul calls Lying wonders 2 Thessalonians 2:9. They are all fake, including what the Egyptian magicians did. No human on earth can turn even a human to animal without GOD not to talk of stick to Snake. The Holy Spirit through Paul called such miracles lies.
You keep listing out satan's capabilities without proving any of them. I don't believe in worldly myths or hearsay

Will continue this conversation later today, GOD willing.

OpenYourEyes3:
Here is something important you need to understand, the miracles are all false. They are what Paul calls Lying wonders 2

Define false . Define lying wonders. That the experience did not happen? What about people whos charm would not allow bullet to penetrate ? Is it rubber bullet? Define false hood. For me false hood has to do with its intention, source and motive.
Satan can transform as light to deceive.
But don't tell me the transformation is an illusion .

The girl who was predicting the future in with spirit of divination are you going to say the prediction are not true?
The faslhood there is only the fact that its not from God .

Thessalonians 2:9.
They are all fake, including what the Egyptian magicians did.

No human on earth can turn even a human to animal without GOD not to talk of stick to Snake. The Holy Spirit through Paul called such miracles lies.[/quote]Is that what your Bible say. Or your personal doctrine and assumption

You keep listing out satan's capabilities without proving any of them. I don't believe in worldly myths or hearsay

Because its what I know . Paul knows also and Jesus does too[/quote]

OpenYourEyes1:
No, they didn't. They did exactly what magicians of today would do — trick people. The magic was mere tricks, deceit, secret-art (as the scripture calls it) etc. No one except GOD can create life out of non-living thing(staff)... It was a trick.
Moses's own was real because GOD did it, and HE alone can do that (create life from non-life)

You have a point but the truth is they did turn their staff to snakes, water into blood, and to bring up frogs out of the river. However it was impossible for them to turn dust to lice. The only other living creature that the bible says is made out of dust is man, not snakes, not frogs... So turning rod to snake was possible for them. Ex. 8:17-19

petra1:
Define false . Define lying wonders. That the experience did not happen? What about people whos charm would not allow bullet to penetrate ? Is it rubber bullet? Define false hood. For me false hood has to do with its intention, source and motive.
Satan can transform as light to deceive.
But don't tell me the transformation is an illusion .

The girl who was predicting the future in with spirit of divination are you going to say the prediction are not true?
The faslhood there is only the fact that its not from God .






No human on earth can turn even a human to animal without GOD not to talk of stick to Snake. The Holy Spirit through Paul called such miracles lies.

Is that what your Bible say. Or your personal doctrine and assumption


You keep listing out satan's capabilities without proving any of them. I don't believe in worldly myths or hearsay

Because its what I know . Paul knows also and Jesus does too

You should prove what you claim satan and his servants can do. You seem too know alot about what he can do, so why is satan servants not boldly coming out to prove what you claim they can? I will be willing to see it!
Children of GOD are greater than satan, so we know what he is capable of, he tries to imitate/counterfeit GOD's power (which he no longer has) but he does it with deceit, illusion, lies, etc. I used to think he and his servants could really do those things you claim they can do until I was delivered from the foolish belief. The girl can't predict the future accurately... GOD uses HIS prophets to tell what will happen in the future and they are always accurate/perfect, unlike what demons/satan can do with people he controls. Besides, what they predict that seem accurate is what they control/know but their predictions will always fail when it tries to go against the will of GOD.

My friend, satan does not have the kinds of powers you claim he has, they are all deceits. All such Powers come from GOD ALMIGHTY. satan is counterfeiting those Powers to decieve those under his control and make them think he is GOD or he's that powerful.

OpenYourEyes3:
You should prove what you claim satan and his servants can do. You seem too know alot about what he can do, so why is satan servants not boldly coming out to prove what you claim they can? I will be willing to see it!

If you read your Bible enough and fellowship with the spirit of God you will not be ignorant of the operations of your advasery

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Children of GOD are greater than satan,

That's no news

so we know what he is capable of,

You don't. The first successful attack of satan to uninformed Christians is that he s harmless and doesn't have any power. So they walk in denial

he tries to imitate/counterfeit GOD's power (which he no longer has) but he does it with deceit, illusion, lies, etc.

You're correct.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I used to think he and his servants could really do those things you claim they can do until I was delivered from the foolish belief

Then he got you.

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The girl can't predict the future accurately..

Is that what the Bible say or your theory. If her work was not effective

Acts 16:16
. . .and she brought her owners much gain by her fortunetelling.

If her prediction were wrong she won't have that popularity. Secondly God will not have a reason to discourage his peoole from consulting them . After all they are lies.

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GOD uses HIS prophets to tell what will happen in the future and they are always accurate/perfect, unlike what demons/satan can do with people he controls.

Wrong, are prophets always accurate ? Let's leave that matter for another day

My friend, satan does not have the kinds of powers you claim he has, they are all deceits.

Define deceit ..
Some ministers have erroneously taught that everything satan say is a lie. That's a wrong theory. The lie of satan has truth but he pervert the conclusion .

When Jesus asked the demon " what is your name? Did the demon lie?

When Jesus asked the demon "How many are you? Dud the demon lie?

In Genesis Did satan actually lie to Adam ?

Gen 3:4 — Gen 3:5
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Compare it with below

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

All such Powers come from GOD ALMIGHTY. satan is counterfeiting those Powers to decieve those under his control and make them think he is GOD or he's that powerful

Every power come from God . Even the one the devil is using

OpenYourEyes1:
No, they didn't. They did exactly what magicians of today would do — trick people. The magic was mere tricks, deceit, secret-art (as the scripture calls it) etc. No one except GOD can create life out of non-living thing(staff)... It was a trick.
Moses's own was real because GOD did it, and HE alone can do that (create life from non-life)

Lie, that's what the Bible says. That's why Moses was sent back to confound their spiritual know how .
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. Acts 7: 22

petra1:
If you read your Bible enough and fellowship with the spirit of God you will not be ignorant of the operations of your advasery

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.



That's no news




You don't. The first successful attack of satan to uninformed Christians is that he s harmless and doesn't have any power. So they walk in denial



You're correct.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.




Then he got you.

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Is that what the Bible say or your theory. If her work was not effective

Acts 16:16
. . .and she brought her owners much gain by her fortunetelling.

If her prediction were wrong she won't have that popularity. Secondly God will not have a reason to discourage his peoole from consulting them . After all they are lies.

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Wrong, are prophets always accurate ? Let's leave that matter for another day



Define deceit ..
Some ministers have erroneously taught that everything satan say is a lie. That's a wrong theory. The lie of satan has truth but he pervert the conclusion .

When Jesus asked the demon " what is your name? Did the demon lie?

When Jesus asked the demon "How many are you? Dud the demon lie?

In Genesis Did satan actually lie to Adam ?

Gen 3:4 — Gen 3:5
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Compare it with below

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:



Every power come from God . Even the one the devil is using

We are discussing satan false miracles here. Do not deviate to things we are not discussing.

Unfortunately your replies are mostly offpoints. Stay on the topic.

You claimed satan can stop bullets, make physical things disappear & appear, create real life from nothings... I told you those are all fake/lies/deciet. I wasnt talking about what satan says (or whether he tells truth or not).

Satan doesn't know enough about human body or what GOD has created to cause them to appear and disappear without problems. He does not know enough to create real life or cause human natural body to stop bullets.
Stick to the topic.

The fortune telling girl don't know enough about what GOD has made in order to predict the future accurately. They will always tell lies(not predicting accurately) if you bring them to me.


Understand what it means to tag my comments wrong? If they end up right, it's between you and GOD... So you have to be really sure what you say here

MightySparrow:
Lie, that's what the Bible says. That's why Moses was sent back to confound their spiritual know how .
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. Acts 7: 22

What exactly did you tag lie? Bold it let's me see.

Hope you are using that tag unintentionally.

OpenYourEyes1:
What exactly did you tag lie? Bold it let's me see.

Hope you are using that tag unintentionally.

that. Human transformation is not possible.

OpenYourEyes1:
We are discussing satan false miracles here. Do not deviate to things we are not discussing.

Unfortunately your replies are mostly offpoints. Stay on the topic.

Okay

You claimed satan can stop bullets, make physical things disappear & appear, create real life from nothings... I told you those are all fake/lies/deciet.

But you are uninformed about such things. I can only advice you stay in the lane of your information and not criticise what you don't have information about. Not having information is not a derogatory statement its probably not in the line of your ministry so thats okay. But If you're interested to know you should rather be asking questions from those who are acquainted with such experience

Satan doesn't know enough about human body

He knows about human body more than you. He has demons and evil spirits assigned to every body organ causing ailment . There are evil spirits for the eyes,heart, kidney, cells ,skin etc Innumerable in number and operation Thats why they can afflict the body or kill they know where to touch.

or what GOD has created to cause them to appear and disappear without problems.

Its possible. It does happen . Did he not bring Samuel back through the witch of endor? What about the image from Jupiter from in acts of apostle . Teleportation happens in the realm of the spirit

He does not know enough to create real life or cause human natural body to stop bullets.

I have met individuals who were cultists and had charm by which bullets would not penetrate . Even armed robbers. There's one of them we led to christ who was sick and they couldn't inject him because of the charm . Syringes should not penetrate . They brought him for prayers. We had to lead him in salvation and break the power of the charm.

A Christian army General that I know . When he was a colonel in the Niger Delta . They were sent to the militants. The militants had killed soldiers . Because the bullets of the soldiers were not penetrating or their gun jam.

He is a tongue speking bold Christian.

Whe he confronted these militants the guns were not working. He commanded in prayer and the gun worked . But was not penertratinnng . The militants were advancing with chants of war. The Christian colonel took the gun of one of his soldiers and prayed and aimed it at the ring leader of the militants. He shot him and he died . Thats how the charm was broken.

You can Google history about the agbekoya riot and revolt in nigeria.
My own Dad who was a preacher and a police man was sent to arrest the ringleader of agbekoya. Prior to this time . Soldiers had been sent to the place but the farmers used charm on them their bodied began to itch them . Whe they try to remove their uniform thier skin were pullung and tearing with the uniform . The Agbekoya ring leader was always invisible

My Dad led a team of Policemen to the place . He had a small bible which he always carry . He pointed it to the building and commanded the agbekoya leader out . To cut the long story that's how he was arrested. The story depicted in the nollywood was wrong

The fortune telling girl don't know enough about what GOD has made in order to predict the future accurately. They will always tell lies(not predicting accurately) if you bring them to me.

Look once you're a seer . You can see to the past and present and future. Nobody can see everything. Not even a prophet . Every seer sees in part

1 Corinthians 13:9
. . . For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.


Babalawo sees. Some as the man is coming in they start to tell him his problem

Satan Created Serpent to trick Eve Serpent was a man when it tricked Eve . Satan entered JUDAS ISCARIOT.

Satan Created Serpent to trick Eve Serpent was a man when it tricked Eve . Satan entered JUDAS ISCARIOT. So the Egyptian MAGICIANS did. God APPROVED the Powers for them to make a Point.