einsteine:
There seems to be a misconception about Citizenship by Investment programs. Most buyers of these programs are not relocating to these Carribbean countries. In fact the majority remain in their home countries as it is just for the passport. Nigerians make up only a tiny fraction of them as Chinese, Arab and Indians are the top subscribers.

Also, someone said drug dealers and fraudsters are the ones subscribing for them from Nigeria. Very unlikely. The Carribbean countries conduct strict background checks as it is a significant revenue stream and they won't want to lose visa free access to key countries (that's where the value of their passport lies in). I think it was St Lucia that lost visa free access to Canada after giving citizenship to an Iranian. Requirements are more stringent now and go beyond just having the money.

For one, you must pass Interpol clearance.

Very well said.
Nobody wants to go and live on Nevis, as alluring as a tropical island sounds, or bank there, they want the visa-free access to the EU and Canada the passport offers.

jajeri3216:



I don't agree, surely there's nothing wrong if one decides to travel, but to say you're living comfortably and still want to travel is a bloody contradiction, better to say I'm managing ,maybe your definition of comfortable is different.

While you're busy typing long epistles and even going as far as the Carribbeans re citizenship, did you know that with 150k eur you could get Maltese citizenship, a member of the European Union?

150k is chicken change for truly comfortable people or at worst should find affordable, more than likely these types don't fetishize abroad but they may apply for it just for safety.

So finance must be a challenge and hence the motivation to emigrate, if not there are so many options.

Accept your reality to allow you make informed decisions.

I don't agree, surely there's nothing wrong if one decides to travel, but to say you're living comfortably and still want to travel is a bloody contradiction, better to say I'm managing ,maybe your definition of comfortable is different
This is not true
One can be comfortable and still want to move to another country
Like I said, those of us who were running expres entry back then were definitely NOT STRUGGLING
If you are a struggling person
You will not be able to even commence that race

WES Evaluation
Cost of extra certificate to get more points
Doing TEF Canada
Proof of funds
Paying for the PR application upon getting ITA
All that costs money that a struggling person will not be able to cough out

I hope you know that
Folks earning N12m annually
Even N24m annually are on the queue for Express entry
In a poor country like Nigeria
Earning that much money makes you very much comfortable

So finance must be a challenge and hence the motivation to emigrate, if not there are so many options.
So according to you, "finance must be a challenge " is the motivation that every person who wants to move elsewhere has

Dont you know that people move for different reasons?
And not every Nigerian is driven by materialism and money money money?

How about living in a sane environment?
How about raising your kids in a better place ?
How about wanting to live in a place where you dont have to constantly be looking over your shoulder?
Reasons like that are the main motivating factors for me
Not even financial reasons as such


Accept your reality to allow you make informed decisions
Of course
One should not delude himself
That's the same advise I'll give you as well...
Know yourself and your circumstance
And make decisions accordingly
I have done mine
Do yours as well

Peace

Cyberknight:


Lol, this man.

Just pretend u did not see that part lol

Its interesting to think that some here think it's finances that is the major reason why ANYONE would want to move

Most people often think you don't have to travel or relocate if you are too comfortable in Nigeria, not true at all.

About 5yrs ago, my wealthy uncle visited me in Europe, we drove and visited many German cities, went to Austria, Switzerland, Holland and some other EU countries, after our EU tour, he confessed that no matter how rich or comfortable you are in Nigeria, there is something greatly missing in our society and that is sanity, security and high sense of human freedom and responsibilities.

As long as over 80% of the entire population are poor and without future, nobody will ever be comfortable, no matter how rich or comfortable you think you are today, tomorrow is not certain for anybody in Nigeria, anything can happen anytime and you are gone and forgotten.

DexterousOne:


I don't agree, surely there's nothing wrong if one decides to travel, but to say you're living comfortably and still want to travel is a bloody contradiction, better to say I'm managing ,maybe your definition of comfortable is different
This is not true
One can be comfortable and still want to move to another country
Like I said, those of us who were running expres entry back then were definitely NOT STRUGGLING
If you are a struggling person
You will not be able to even commence that race

WES Evaluation
Cost of extra certificate to get more points
Doing TEF Canada
Proof of funds
Paying for the PR application upon getting ITA
All that costs money that a struggling person will not be able to cough out

I hope you know that
Folks earning N12m annually
Even N24m annually are on the queue for Express entry
In a poor country like Nigeria
Earning that much money makes you very much comfortable

So finance must be a challenge and hence the motivation to emigrate, if not there are so many options.
So according to you, "finance must be a challenge " is the motivation that every person who wants to move elsewhere has

Dont you know that people move for different reasons?
And not every Nigerian is driven by materialism and money money money?

How about living in a sane environment?
How about raising your kids in a better place ?
How about wanting to live in a place where you dont have to constantly be looking over your shoulder?
Reasons like that are the main motivating factors for me
Not even financial reasons as such


Accept your reality to allow you make informed decisions
Of course
One should not delude himself
That's the same advise I'll give you as well...
Know yourself and your circumstance
And make decisions accordingly
I have done mine
Do yours as well

Peace

It would take folks earning 12 million per annum donkey years to save 150 k, same in abroad ( Deduct expenses).

Essentially you're still a struggle middle class like the millions of middle class Nigerians who fled , cause the burden of the inefficiencies of the state must be factored into your state of affairs..

Wanting to go to a sane environment is not materialism ?, well that means all the good stuff in sane societies just appeared out of nowhere, without any conscious thought of wanting something better.

Upper class folks have options and in many cases abroad is the least of their worries.

jajeri3216:



It would take folks earning 12 million per annum donkey years to save 150 k, same in abroad ( Deduct expenses).

Essentially you're still a struggle middle class like the millions of middle class Nigerians who fled , cause the burden of the inefficiencies of the state must be factored into your state of affairs..

Wanting to go to a sane environment is not materialism ?, well that means all the good stuff in sane societies just appeared out of nowhere, without any conscious thought of wanting something better.

Upper class folks have options and in many cases abroad is the least of their worries.

Struggle middle class
That's a nice one lol
I like it

Though on a more serious note
What range of networth will you put one who is in the "struggle middle class"
Let me hear your perspective on this one

And what will yoi consider as "Upper Class"
Give figures in Naira terms

DexterousOne:

Struggle middle class
That's a nice one lol
I like it

Though on a more serious note
What range of networth will you put one who is in the "struggle middle class"
Let me hear your perspective on this one

And what will yoi consider as "Upper Class"
Give figures in Naira terms

I really don't know, na you go explain that one.

But abroad , 50k and above is middle class.

No dey compare yourself with western retirees who have inherited fortunes, invested early or worked hard all their life and now enjoying in the Bahamas.

Just roll up like the rest of us

jajeri3216:



I really don't know, na you go explain that one.

But abroad , 50k and above is middle class.

No dey compare yourself with western retirees who have inherited fortunes, invested early or worked hard all their life and now enjoying in the Bahamas.

Just roll up like the rest of us

I hear you

Lazyyouth4u:


Please don’t get my point wrong o. There’s nothing wrong with moving to another country if one is frustrated with his situation in Nigeria. But don’t just jump from fry pan to fire.

Some of those countries you are listing are countries that even the citizens are struggling. And life is not as cheap as you think it is. At the end of the day, you are a foreigner and you will be discriminated against. Big time. Mind you, many of the so called Nigerian expats you keep talking about in those countries are into yahoo, drugs and other criminal activities. Others are doing the lowest level menial jobs to survive.

You sound like a smart chap and I’m very sure you will do well in Naija or other countries where there are jobs for legit immigrants. I maintain that Naija is not that bad if you are doing well. And some people are. No be human beings dey make that N50m wey person mention the other day?

My advice. Focus on finding a good job in Naija and try to build your career while trying to get permanent residency in countries like the US, Canada, UK, etc.

Alternatively, with a few years solid work experience in Naija, try to get into a reputable school where recruiters from top global firms will pick you up and place you in correct jobs with those armed robber salaries any where in the world that will enable you save enough to retire early and then go and relax in the Caribbeans with lots of passive income from your investments.

Also, find a girlfriend jare. That also helps to take your mind off all the nonesense going on in the country. Again I’m assuming you are into women

The bolded took me out.

Donbrig:
The way things are going in this country, military might likely surprise the nation before year end or early next year, things are just too bad and out of control with a president we don't know if he is dead or alive. The news going on behind closed doors among top military officers is not good at all.

Buhari is aware they want to take him out as soon as possible. Democracy is a scam, we need a good military dictator with a vision and mission, like Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso.

Either we believe it or not, democracy will never take us anywhere in this country, Just look at the endless process and duration our lawmakers and politicians are taking to do things that will uplift the common man on the streets and develope the country.

God knows China wouldn't have been where they are today if they had followed due democratic process in building their nation.

Hope you know that in the event of a military coup in Nigeria, it's the likes of Buratai and other criminals like him that will take over.

Are these the type of people you want to hand over the running of a country to?

When it sets, na you go follow run o.

Grupo:


Hope you know that in the event of a military coup in Nigeria, it's the likes of Buratai and other criminals like him that will take over.

Are these the type of people you want to hand over the running of a country to?

When it sets, na you go follow run o.

You can tell that it was written by someone that does not live in Nigeria.

Fear no go even let person wey dey Naija to write something like that on a public forum.

jajeri3216:



I really don't know, na you go explain that one.

But abroad , 50k and above is middle class.

No dey compare yourself with western retirees who have inherited fortunes, invested early or worked hard all their life and now enjoying in the Bahamas.

Just roll up like the rest of us

IMO, Nigeria still remain the best place to retire if u have okpobo . One rule though, whichever area you are at don't be the biggest or the smallest, look average. U go see say no bagger go worry you.

ositadiima1:


IMO, Nigeria still remain the best place to retire if u have okpobo . One rule though, whichever area you are at don't be the biggest or the smallest, look average. U go see say no bagger go worry you.

Ya dig, na money be d koko anywhere.

ositadiima1:


IMO, Nigeria still remain the best place to retire if u have okpobo . One rule though, whichever area you are at don't be the biggest or the smallest, look average. U go see say no bagger go worry you.

I agree. 100%.

If you see big man wey dey try japa by fire by force, they are running away from something. We also get some wealthy young people wey dey play for the other team and are trying to escape to country where they can play ball well without the risk of spending 10 years for jail

What many people hustling abroad don’t say is that they are homesick and tired and long to return home and settle down. Na fear of the unknown and uncertainty around jobs and finances dey keep them abroad.

ositadiima1:


IMO, Nigeria still remain the best place to retire if u have okpobo . One rule though, whichever area you are at don't be the biggest or the smallest, look average. U go see say no bagger go worry you.

Oga I agree with you completely.Those who are relocating are just low and middle class.If you fall into the class of elumelu,Jim,obas,otedola,tinubu, dangota etc.You won't be planning to leave naija.All those things you think you don't have in naija you can always buy them if you got cash.You will only think of going abroad for vacations and extra fun.Niaja still remains the best if you have loads and loads of cash.Have you visited neighborhood of billionaire in naija who are not stingy with thr cash.

Bolded below is very true. Which is a shame.

Lazyyouth4u:


I agree. 100%.

If you see big man wey dey try japa by fire by force, they are running away from something. We also get some wealthy young people wey dey play for the other team and are trying to escape to country where they can play ball well without the risk of spending 10 years for jail

What many people hustling abroad don’t say is that they are homesick and tired and long to return home and settle down. Na fear of the unknown and uncertainty around jobs and finances dey keep them abroad.

Just imagine you have an annually passive income of #200 million and above as one source of you income.Then a moderate family and less extended family liabilities.what will I be looking for in abroad if not to go catch fun with family

Lazyyouth4u:


I agree. 100%.

If you see big man wey dey try japa by fire by force, they are running away from something. We also get some wealthy young people wey dey play for the other team and are trying to escape to country where they can play ball well without the risk of spending 10 years for jail

What many people hustling abroad don’t say is that they are homesick and tired and long to return home and settle down. Na fear of the unknown and uncertainty around jobs and finances dey keep them abroad.

Always on point. .

I have been scrolling for 5 to 6 pages, and it’s all about immigration (and other off topic back and forth)... on a thread in “investment” section. And it’s not like Nairaland doesn’t have a “travel” section where these arguments can happen.

Seems this thread has finally been fully hijacked by hoodlums who are not familiar with the idea of staying on focus. All the investment gurus have finally taken a backseat (many have unfollowed). This is quite ridiculous now.

This part is mostly true and is the part I always struggle to understand. That homesickness becomes very strong when they start getting close to retirement age.

I learnt of a couple of young guys who left Shell Warri back in the 90s as young engineers to that same Canada and US when the craze wasn't even that much. Many of them have started returning, some of them their wife's don divorce them after they don train children finish and almost finish paying mortgage .
Now their counterpart that stayed back in that same shell have become managers in their respective departments, some have gone and come back from various cross posting in various Shell global offices, of course some lost their jobs, some don die, some non grow.

Lazyyouth4u:


I agree. 100%.

If you see big man wey dey try japa by fire by force, they are running away from something. We also get some wealthy young people wey dey play for the other team and are trying to escape to country where they can play ball well without the risk of spending 10 years for jail

What many people hustling abroad don’t say is that they are homesick and tired and long to return home and settle down. Na fear of the unknown and uncertainty around jobs and finances dey keep them abroad.

Not sure this one is true again. Kidnappers non de bother all the time with profiling, they sometimes even stock intra town transport buses and kidnap the people.

ositadiima1:


IMO, Nigeria still remain the best place to retire if u have okpobo . [b]One rule though, whichever area you are at don't be the biggest or the smallest, look average. U go see say no bagger go worry yo[/b]u.

SamReinvented:
I have been scrolling for 5 to 6 pages, and it’s all about immigration (and other off topic back and forth)... on a thread in “investment” section. And it’s not like Nairaland doesn’t have a “travel” section where these arguments can happen.

Seems this thread has finally been fully hijacked by hoodlums who are not familiar with the idea of staying on focus. All the investment gurus have finally taken a backseat (many have unfollowed). This is quite ridiculous now.

Look who’s talking. Like you are not one of the hoodlums discussing immigration on an investment thread

SamReinvented:
I have been scrolling for 5 to 6 pages, and it’s all about immigration (and other off topic back and forth)... on a thread in “investment” section. And it’s not like Nairaland doesn’t have a “travel” section where these arguments can happen.

Seems this thread has finally been fully hijacked by hoodlums who are not familiar with the idea of staying on focus. All the investment gurus have finally taken a backseat (many have unfollowed). This is quite ridiculous now.

You can start an investment discussion and we shall contribute to the discussion and analysis

emmanuelewumi:



You can start an investment discussion and we shall contribute to the discussion and analysis

Would’ve loved to... but not really good at starting the discussions, I just love to read... then contribute sometimes. People who start the relevant discussions have been chased away, apparently. That makes me sad.

SamReinvented:
I have been scrolling for 5 to 6 pages, and it’s all about immigration (and other off topic back and forth)... on a thread in “investment” section. And it’s not like Nairaland doesn’t have a “travel” section where these arguments can happen.

Seems this thread has finally been fully hijacked by hoodlums who are not familiar with the idea of staying on focus. All the investment gurus have finally taken a backseat (many have unfollowed). This is quite ridiculous now.

There's really nothing to discuss.

The only place to put your funds right now in Nigeria and elsewhere is the stock market.

Both threads are on nairaland, search for it.

Personally I'm not interested in nse at all , so i just come here for banter.

SamReinvented:


Would’ve loved to... but not really good at starting the discussions, I just love to read... then contribute sometimes. People who start the relevant discussions have been chased away, apparently. That makes me sad.

Maybe whenever you are ready to come up with an investment topic, just enjoy the current flow of discussion.

Who told you people were chased out, just have the eye of an investor who can always identify opportunities in the discussion's going on here rather than lamenting and complaining.

Have you bought the current bond by Edo State? What are your expectations concerning the offer? What are the factors responsible for the increase in the rate for the last 364 days Treasury Bills.

Let the discussion continue

emmanuelewumi:

Who told you people were chased out, just have the eye of an investor who can always identify opportunities in the discussion's going on here rather than lamenting and complaining.

Have you bought the current bond by Edo State? What are your expectations concerning the offer? What are the factors responsible for the increase in the rate for the last 364 days Treasury Bills.

Let the discussion continue

It’s not about having the “eye of an investor”, it’s about “order“ and doing things right. Travel is actually a topic I’m interested in... and if you go through my posts, you’d see me in that section. The point is, there’s place for everything. I can watch for opportunities in the appropriate sections where those discussions are made for and are happening. Derailing threads is not right, even if the discussions are useful. We should learn to do things the right way.

I haven’t bought any bonds or bills atm. I just exited the cryptocurrency market, because the market has obviously peaked for now to me. I got in when btc crashed to around $5,000 earlier in the year, so my liver can’t stay in longer than now. Like I posted before, I have also exited the USD market. So all I have right now is liquid cash watching everywhere carefully.

jajeri3216:


There's really nothing to discuss.

The only place to put your funds right now in Nigeria and elsewhere is the stock market.

Both threads are on nairaland, search for it.

Personally I'm not interested in nse at all , so i just come here for banter.

If there’s nothing to discuss, then we can all just take a break from this thread until there are exciting opportunities... then we resume from where we stopped. That’s pretty ideal. People who want to “banter“ about offtopics can head to the threads where such bants are ontopic.

Honestly, it’s counterproductive and very inconsiderate to make people scroll through dozens of banter, just because they are trying to look for something useful in the pile of “trash“. Let’s focus. We can stray off here and there, but we should try to learn when to call it off and get back ontopic.

SamReinvented:


If there’s nothing to discuss, then we can all just take a break from this thread until there are exciting opportunities... then we resume from where we stopped. That’s pretty ideal. People who want to “banter“ about offtopics can head to the threads where such bants are ontopic.

Honestly, it’s counterproductive and very inconsiderate to make people scroll through dozens of banter, just because they are trying to look for something useful in the pile of “trash“. Let’s focus. We can stray off here and there, but we should try to learn when to call it off and get back ontopic.

I have pointed you in the direction where you'll get all the investment ideas you need.

Tb is dead, the discussions here are not futile.

You see hoodlums, i see intelligent young folks expressing themselves.

Money shouldn't be the be all and end all, that's where we get it wrong sometimes.

jajeri3216:


I have pointed you in the direction where you'll get all the investment ideas you need.

Tb is dead, the discussions here are not futile.

You see hoodlums, i see intelligent young folks expressing themselves.

Money shouldn't be the be all and end all, that's where we get it wrong sometimes.

It’s quite ironic that you’re “pointing me” to threads, but you can’t “point” derailers to the appropriate threads for their discussions. I see you don’t get the point about order and following rules... Not that surprising though, as that’s sadly the bane of Nigeria’s existence. So your mindset fits.

Anyway... In order not to fall into the same hole that I’m cautioning people about, I’m ending my explanation here. If you still don’t get it, I can’t help further. Farewell.

SamReinvented:


It’s quite ironic that you’re “pointing me” to threads, but you can’t “point” derailers to the appropriate threads for their discussions. I see you don’t get the point about order and following rules... Not that surprising though, as that’s sadly the bane of Nigeria’s existence. So your mindset fits.

Anyway... In order not to fall into the same hole that I’m cautioning people about, I’m ending my explanation here. If you don’t get it, I can’t help further. Farewell.

Happy investing and cheers!