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true2god:
al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalayl an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na’eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A’dham (radiyallahu ta`ala anhu) that:

The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you” (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)

Source: (Malik's Muwatta' 3.14.56 & 3.14.58)

Link: https://eshaykh.com/hadith/were-it-not-for-you/

The Hadith is not Saheeh!
You and your brother dey doeef too!

advocatejare:
You're really doing a good job teaching Antichristian and he likes their religion.

There are many ways they've equated Muhammad to Allah even though they try to deny it.

For example, they claim that speaking against Muhammad is blasphemy, but one can only blaspheme against God and not a mere human like Muhammad, so they've indirectly said that Muhammad is their god because they don't call for the head of anyone that insults Allah like they do to anyone that they accuse of blasphemy against Muhammad like the Kano tijjaniya guy.

Also, in the hadith when the Muslims equated Allah's knowledge with muhammad's, Muhammad didnt rebuke them which means that he accepted that he and Allah know best and not that Allah alone knows best.


Narrated Mu`adh bin Jabal:
While I was riding behind the Prophet (ﷺ) and between me and him and between me and him there was only the back of the saddle, he said, "0 Mu`adh!" I replied, "Labbaik, 0 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and Sa`daik!" he said, "Do you know what is Allah's right upon his slave?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best" He said "Allah's right upon his slaves is that they should worship Him alone and not worship anything else besides Him." Then he proceeded for a while and then said, "O Mu`adh bin Jabal!" I replied, "Labbaik, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ):, Sa`daik!' He said, "Do you know what is the right of the slaves upon Allah if they do that?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "The right of the slaves upon Allah is that He will not punish them (if they do that).
- Sahih al-Bukhari 5967

You have a shallow comprehension of words. "Allah and his apostle knows best" is equating Allah to Muhammad?

Muhammad is the one who taught us everything in our religion as revealed to him by Allah. So how is this sentence incorrect?

Allah says, “Muhammad is no more than a Messenger.” (3:144) The Prophet Muhammad said, “Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in their praise of the son of Maryam. For indeed I am a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allah and His Messenger.’”
Bukhari 3261

Liars should perish in hell.

I just wish we can ignore these people for a while but ZEAL will not let...

advocatejare:
You're really doing a good job teaching Antichristian and he likes their religion.

There are many ways they've equated Muhammad to Allah even though they try to deny it.

For example, they claim that speaking against Muhammad is blasphemy, but one can only blaspheme against God and not a mere human like Muhammad, so they've indirectly said that Muhammad is their god because they don't call for the head of anyone that insults Allah like they do to anyone that they accuse of blasphemy against Muhammad like the Kano tijjaniya guy.

Also, in the hadith when the Muslims equated Allah's knowledge with muhammad's, Muhammad didnt rebuke them which means that he accepted that he and Allah know best and not that Allah alone knows best.


Narrated Mu`adh bin Jabal:
While I was riding behind the Prophet (ﷺ) and between me and him and between me and him there was only the back of the saddle, he said, "0 Mu`adh!" I replied, "Labbaik, 0 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and Sa`daik!" he said, "Do you know what is Allah's right upon his slave?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best" He said "Allah's right upon his slaves is that they should worship Him alone and not worship anything else besides Him." Then he proceeded for a while and then said, "O Mu`adh bin Jabal!" I replied, "Labbaik, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ):, Sa`daik!' He said, "Do you know what is the right of the slaves upon Allah if they do that?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "The right of the slaves upon Allah is that He will not punish them (if they do that).
- Sahih al-Bukhari 5967

How does this mean equating his knowledge is Allah's unlimited knowledge? He (saw) do ask his companions this type of questions to teach them. It is a question he already knows answer to it. So his companion do say "only Allah and his Apostle knows". This type of expression is in every language, for example i may say ask my students 'what did i eat this morning? they may replied 'only Allah and you knows what you eat' so this type of expression does not in any way mean equation! Furthermore there are many Quran and hadith proofs that shows our Prophet Muhammad has limited knowledge like other humans, except what Allah reveal to him. Lastly this type of hadith is very numerous in hundreds, it seems you are new to it keep doing learning on here!


Proof from Quran

Q.46:9

قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنَ ٱلرُّسُلِ وَمَآ أَدْرِى مَا يُفْعَلُ بِى وَلَا بِكُمْۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ وَمَآ أَنَا۠ إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ

Say, "I am not something more original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

This is Allah teaching prophet Muhammad SAW to give this reply to to people: Which means, `I am not the first Messenger who ever came to the world. Rather, Messengers came before me. Therefore, I am not an unprecedented incident and i know nothing except what is revealed to me.



Second Proof


Q.17.85

وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."


The Ruh (spirit)
Al-Bukhari recorded in his Tafsir of this Ayah
that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was
walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he
was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews
passed by. Some of them said to the others,
`Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said,
`What urges you to ask him about that' Others
said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply
which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask
him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The
Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an
answer, and I knew that he was receiving
revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the
revelation was complete, the Prophet said:
ﻭَﻳَﺴْـَﻠُﻮﻧَﻚَ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡِ ﻗُﻞِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡُ ﻣِﻦْ ﺃَﻣْﺮِ ﺭَﺑِّﻰ

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the
spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the
things, the knowledge of which is only with my
Lord...'')

In many occasions like this when a question is asked from Prophet Muhammad if he didn't know it he used to wait till when a reveation will be sent concerning the Question! This shows his humanhood and humbleness.

[The Hadith you Quoted is Hadith- Mawdoo (fabricated hadith) which is worse than Daeef (weak hadith) ALL Hadith scholars testified to its fakeness! The hadith is so very fake!!! quote author=true2god post=97163926]al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalayl an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na’eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A’dham (radiyallahu ta`ala anhu) that:

The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you” (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)

Source: (Malik's Muwatta' 3.14.56 & 3.14.58)

Link: https://eshaykh.com/hadith/were-it-not-for-you/[/quote]

Realismailakabir:
How does this mean equating his knowledge is Allah's unlimited knowledge? He (saw) do ask his companions this type of questions to teach them. It is a question he already knows answer to it. So his companion do say "only Allah and his Apostle knows". This type of expression is in every language, for example i may say ask my students 'what did i eat this morning? they may replied 'only Allah and you knows what you eat' so this type of expression does not in any way mean equation! Furthermore there are many Quran and hadith proofs that shows our Prophet Muhammad has limited knowledge like other humans, except what Allah reveal to him. Lastly this type of hadith is very numerous in hundreds, it seems you are new to it keep doing learning on here!


Proof from Quran

Q.46:9

قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنَ ٱلرُّسُلِ وَمَآ أَدْرِى مَا يُفْعَلُ بِى وَلَا بِكُمْۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ وَمَآ أَنَا۠ إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ

Say, "I am not something more original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

This is Allah teaching prophet Muhammad SAW to give this reply to to people: Which means, `I am not the first Messenger who ever came to the world. Rather, Messengers came before me. Therefore, I am not an unprecedented incident and i know nothing except what is revealed to me.



Second Proof


Q.17.85

وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."


The Ruh (spirit)
Al-Bukhari recorded in his Tafsir of this Ayah
that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was
walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he
was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews
passed by. Some of them said to the others,
`Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said,
`What urges you to ask him about that' Others
said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply
which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask
him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The
Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an
answer, and I knew that he was receiving
revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the
revelation was complete, the Prophet said:
ﻭَﻳَﺴْـَﻠُﻮﻧَﻚَ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡِ ﻗُﻞِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡُ ﻣِﻦْ ﺃَﻣْﺮِ ﺭَﺑِّﻰ

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the
spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the
things, the knowledge of which is only with my
Lord...'')

In many occasions like this when a question is asked from Prophet Muhammad if he didn't know it he used to wait till when a reveation will be sent concerning the Question! This shows his humanhood and humbleness.

Damage control.

Answer the simple question.

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?

AntiChristian:
"Allah and his apostle knows best" is equating Allah to Muhammad?

Yes because that statement means that Muhammad was as wise as Allah and vice
versa

Answer the simple question.

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?

Muhammad is the one who taught us everything in our religion as revealed to him by Allah. So how is this sentence incorrect?

Liar, Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to. Allah never revealed anything to Muhammad. It was an unknown jinn who waraqa erroneously suggested was Namus and whom muhammad confused as jibreel was the one that spoke to Muhammad.

advocatejare:
Yes because that statement means that Muhammad was as wise as Allah and vice
versa

Answer the simple question.

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?

It's not good to be ignorant and boastful at the same time.

Allah knows all things. Muhammad only knows what was revealed to him as he's unlettered. No human can ever compose the Qu'ran.

When the Prophet was alive, no one knows the religion than him on earth as Allah's revelations come to him. So he knows best as far as Allah reveals to him.

Liar, Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to. Allah never revealed anything to Muhammad. It was an unknown jinn who waraqa erroneously suggested was Namus and whom muhammad confused as jibreel was the one that spoke to Muhammad.

Where is your proof of Waraqah's error?
You just keep dilly-dallying from one argument to another like someone being chased.

AntiChristian:
The Hadith is not Saheeh!
You and your brother dey doeef too!

How do you reach this conclusion that the hadith is not saheeh? You can't just brush aside an hadith because you don't like the content. And note, many imams/sheiks have quoted from this hadith of Maliki to support their claims. Besides, Muslims collected the hadith and not Christians or Jews.

And since you don't accept this hadith, tell me what makes you think it is not sahih?

Realismailakabir:
How does this mean equating his knowledge is Allah's unlimited knowledge? He (saw) do ask his companions this type of questions to teach them. It is a question he already knows answer to it. So his companion do say "only Allah and his Apostle knows". This type of expression is in every language, for example i may say ask my students 'what did i eat this morning? they may replied 'only Allah and you knows what you eat' so this type of expression does not in any way mean equation! Furthermore there are many Quran and hadith proofs that shows our Prophet Muhammad has limited knowledge like other humans, except what Allah reveal to him. Lastly this type of hadith is very numerous in hundreds, it seems you are new to it keep doing learning on here!


Proof from Quran

Q.46:9

قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنَ ٱلرُّسُلِ وَمَآ أَدْرِى مَا يُفْعَلُ بِى وَلَا بِكُمْۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ وَمَآ أَنَا۠ إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ

Say, "I am not something more original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

This is Allah teaching prophet Muhammad SAW to give this reply to to people: Which means, `I am not the first Messenger who ever came to the world. Rather, Messengers came before me. Therefore, I am not an unprecedented incident and i know nothing except what is revealed to me.



Second Proof


Q.17.85

وَيَسْـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلرُّوحِۖ قُلِ ٱلرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."


The Ruh (spirit)
Al-Bukhari recorded in his Tafsir of this Ayah
that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was
walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he
was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews
passed by. Some of them said to the others,
`Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said,
`What urges you to ask him about that' Others
said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply
which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask
him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The
Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an
answer, and I knew that he was receiving
revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the
revelation was complete, the Prophet said:
ﻭَﻳَﺴْـَﻠُﻮﻧَﻚَ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡِ ﻗُﻞِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡُ ﻣِﻦْ ﺃَﻣْﺮِ ﺭَﺑِّﻰ

(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the
spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the
things, the knowledge of which is only with my
Lord...'')

In many occasions like this when a question is asked from Prophet Muhammad if he didn't know it he used to wait till when a reveation will be sent concerning the Question! This shows his humanhood and humbleness.

If you read the hadith again you will see that Mohammed never corrected him when the rider of the camel answered Mohammed that 'Allah and his messenger know best". What he meant was that no one knows except Allah and his messenger. The man could have simply say "Allah knows best" but he placed Mohammed in a preeminence position, together with Allah, the same way muslims do today.

AntiChristian:
It's not good to be ignorant and boastful at the same time.

Allah knows all things. Muhammad only knows what was revealed to him as he's unlettered.

You're yet to answer the simple question asked

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?

No human can ever compose the Qu'ran.

Liar

Umar has told us how he was the one inspiring your fictitious Allah to reveal the Quran to the false Prophet.

Anything Umar desired, he only had to say it to Muhammad and boom, Muhammad would claim that Allah has revealed it.


"Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

Anything Muhammad wanted to do that he knew would raise eyebrows of the people, he would simply use Allah as a scape goat by claiming that Allah was the one that inspired him like when Muhammad conceived in his heart to marry the wife of Zaid while they were still married and how he eventually married her and how after the wedding, he sent his guest away by hiding behind a curtain and claiming to have revelation from Allah to send them away:

Sahih Bukhari 7:62:95
Narrated By Anas bin Malik
I was ten years old when Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina. My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Prophet regularly, and I served him for ten years. When the Prophet died I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Al-Hijab (veiling of ladies) more than any other person when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when Allah's Apostle had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh. When the day dawned, the Prophet was a bridegroom and he invited the people to a banquet, so they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Prophet for a long time.

The Prophet got up and went out, and I too went out with him so that those people might leave too. The Prophet proceeded and so did I, till he came to the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place. Then thinking that these people have left by then, he returned and so did I along with him till he entered upon Zainab and behold, they were still sitting and had not gone. So the Prophet again went away and I went away along with him. When we reached the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place, he thought that they had left, and so he returned and I too, returned along with him and found those people had left. Then the Prophet drew a curtain between me and him, and the Verses of Al-Hijab were revealed.


"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 53)


That was how Muhammad used Allah as a scapegoat to send his friends away so that he could have time to consummate his marriage with the wife of his adopted son

When the Prophet was alive, no one knows the religion than him on earth as Allah's revelations come to him. So he knows best as far as Allah reveals to him.

Allah revelation never came to Muhammad. Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Only an unknown jinn that tormented him in the cave of Hira spoke to him. Show us where Allah spoke to Muhammad in the Quran. In the same Quran, allah spoke to Moses and others but never to Muhammad. Why did Allah find Muhammad unworthy of being spoken to?

Where is your proof of Waraqah's error?
You just keep dilly-dallying from one argument

I will show you waraqa's error if you can show me the proof that Allah and not a jinn recited the Quran to Muhammad

Realismailakabir:
[The Hadith you Quoted is Hadith- Mawdoo (fabricated hadith) which is worse than Daeef (weak hadith) ALL Hadith scholars testified to its fakeness! The hadith is so very fake!!! quote author=true2god post=97163926]al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalayl an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na’eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A’dham (radiyallahu ta`ala anhu) that:

The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you” (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)

Source: (Malik's Muwatta' 3.14.56 & 3.14.58)

Link: https://eshaykh.com/hadith/were-it-not-for-you/

Mention the names of the hadith scholars that say it is fake. Your friend antichristian said it is not saheeh and you say it is fake, who do I believe. Remember, if a weak is not saheeh that doesn't make it fake. There are many hadith of Imam Bukhari that are also called fake, why should this be since Islam is a perfect religion in text and practice?

advocatejare:
Yes because that statement means that Muhammad was as wise as Allah and vice
versa

Answer the simple question.

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?


Liar, Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to. Allah never revealed anything to Muhammad. It was an unknown jinn who waraqa erroneously suggested was Namus and whom muhammad confused as jibreel was the one that spoke to Muhammad.

I agree with you, Allah never for once spoke to mohammed except through an intermidiary who muslims call jibril.

advocatejare:
You're yet to answer the simple question asked

Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?


Liar

Umar has told us how he was the one inspiring your fictitious Allah to reveal the Quran to the false Prophet.

Anything Umar desired, he only had to say it to Muhammad and boom, Muhammad would claim that Allah has revealed it.


"Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

Anything Muhammad wanted to do that he knew would raise eyebrows of the people, he would simply use Allah as a scape goat by claiming that Allah was the one that inspired him like when Muhammad conceived in his heart to marry the wife of Zaid while they were still married and how he eventually married her and how after the wedding, he sent his guest away by hiding behind a curtain and claiming to have revelation from Allah to send them away:

Sahih Bukhari 7:62:95
Narrated By Anas bin Malik
I was ten years old when Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina. My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Prophet regularly, and I served him for ten years. When the Prophet died I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Al-Hijab (veiling of ladies) more than any other person when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when Allah's Apostle had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh. When the day dawned, the Prophet was a bridegroom and he invited the people to a banquet, so they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Prophet for a long time.

The Prophet got up and went out, and I too went out with him so that those people might leave too. The Prophet proceeded and so did I, till he came to the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place. Then thinking that these people have left by then, he returned and so did I along with him till he entered upon Zainab and behold, they were still sitting and had not gone. So the Prophet again went away and I went away along with him. When we reached the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place, he thought that they had left, and so he returned and I too, returned along with him and found those people had left. Then the Prophet drew a curtain between me and him, and the Verses of Al-Hijab were revealed.


"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 53)


That was how Muhammad used Allah as a scapegoat to send his friends away so that he could have time to consummate his marriage with the wife of his adopted son



Allah revelation never came to Muhammad. Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Only an unknown jinn that tormented him in the cave of Hira spoke to him. Show us where Allah spoke to Muhammad in the Quran. In the same Quran, allah spoke to Moses and others but never to Muhammad. Why did Allah find Muhammad unworthy of being spoken to?





I will show you waraqa's error if you can show me the proof that Allah and not a jinn recited the Quran to Muhammad

Very revealing and inciteful. Kudos!

true2god:
How do you reach this conclusion that the hadith is not saheeh? You can't just brush aside an hadith because you don't like the content. And note, many imams/sheiks have quoted from this hadith of Maliki to support their claims. Besides, Muslims collected the hadith and not Christians or Jews.

And since you don't accept this hadith, tell me what makes you think it is a fabricated hadith.

Abeg wetin you know about our Hadith? It's not like the Bible that has no chain of narrators. For example, Luke wrote the book of Luke by research. He should have included all the people or books he consulted to compile the book.

Luke narrated from John son of Zebedee that he heard Peter son of Lazarus that Jesus said....

Assuming John above is a confirmed liar who brings things up then this narration would be fabricated. This is one of the reasons an hadith can classified as mawdoo' i.e. fabricated.

I have read the hadith before and i know it's fabricated.

And this is one of the beauties of our Ahadith.

true2god:
Very revealing and inciteful. Kudos!

Thank you brother. Let's keep teaching them.

true2god:
Mention the names of the hadith scholars that say it is fake. Your friend antichristian said it is not saheeh and you say it is fake, who do I believe. Remember, if a weak is not saheeh that doesn't make it fake. There are many hadith of Imam Bukhari that are also called fake, why should this be since Islam is a perfect religion in text and practice?

There are many classifications of hadiths the most common being Sahih (authentic), hasan (Good), Do'eef (weak) and Mawd'oo (fabricated).

Sheikh Albani, Al Bayhaqi and Al-Thahabi made that claim.

Al-Albani said in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah, 25: (it is) mawdoo’ i.e. fabricated.

Many Ahadith of Imam Bukhari are fake? Another lie. How much is this many of yours bring the numbers and percentage?

AntiChristian:
There are many classifications of hadiths the most common being Sahih (authentic), hasan (Good), Do'eef (weak) and Mawd'oo (fabricated).

Sheikh Albani, Al Bayhaqi and Al-Thahabi made that claim.

Al-Albani said in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah, 25: (it is) mawdoo’ i.e. fabricated.

Many Ahadith of Imam Bukhari are fake? Another lie. How much is this many of yours bring the numbers and percentage?

On a project now but I will school you more on Monday.

Note: All the hadith collected by Imam Bukhari was about 600000 but was later filtered to about 7250 Hadith, meaning that over 92% of the original hadith collected by Imam Bukhari were considered fake and fabricated. How can you depend on the work of a man whose work, over 92%, was considered unreasonable?

And on a final note, the hadith is also a tumour, or gossip, some anonymous peddled about Mohammed. Imam Bukhari didn't see any of the sahabas who reported so so and so. He came over 200 years after the death of all the sahabas hence all what he documented as your hadith are mere rumours and gossips from the people he met in Arabia when he embarked on the task of collecting the hadth.

Imam Bukhari is not the only one gathering rumours as your hadith. Hafs, whose quranic recitation style you are using today, also collected many hadith but his collections were discarded because he was considered unreasonable. How can Muslims accept the quranic recitation of Hafs while the reject his hadith? A question begging for answers from we kuffar.

true2god:
On a project now but I will school you more on Monday.

Note: All the hadith collected by Imam Bukhari was about 600000 but was later filtered to about 7250 Hadith, meaning that over 92% of the original hadith collected by Imam Bukhari were considered fake and fabricated. How can you depend on the work of a man whose work, over 92%, was considered unreasonable?

What's the difference between the ahadith collected by Bukhari and Sahih Bukhari?

And on a final note, the hadith is also a tumour, or gossip, some anonymous peddled about Mohammed. Imam Bukhari didn't see any of the sahabas who reported so so and so. He came over 200 years after the death of all the sahabas hence all what he documented as your hadith are mere rumours and gossips from the people he met in Arabia when he embarked on the task of collecting the hadth.

A rumour doesn't come with authentication, chains of narrators, etc as do our Ahadith.

Is the Bible not a rumour according to Luke 1:1-4?

Mark and Luke never met Jesus. They didn't mention where their source of information was. No chains of narrators like the hadiths. No authentication. Even Mathew and John were not present when Jesus was born. They met in between the story yet they wrote the story from the beginning copying texts, etc.

And after Jesus went up. Saul became Paul and then wrote about 14 out of 28 books of the New testament!

Moreover I will like to ask you if it is possible for Moses to have written his own obituary in the last book of Moses?

Why are you guys more of hypocrites like these?

Imam Bukhari is not the only one gathering rumours as your hadith. Hafs, whose quranic recitation style you are using today, also collected many hadith but his collections were discarded because he was considered unreasonable. How can Muslims accept the quranic recitation of Hafs while the reject his hadith? A question begging for answers from we kuffar.

Bring the evidences of what you're typing make we see!

AntiChristian:
What's the difference between the ahadith collected by Bukhari and Sahih Bukhari?

The former is all the 600000 collected by Bukari while the latter is the approved one commonly called 'sahih' Bukari because of it alleged authenticity.

AntiChristian:
A rumour doesn't come with authentication, chains of narrators, etc as do our Ahadith.

One hundred people can peddle a rumour, which might be untrue. The number of 'chains of narrators' (or rumour carriers) does not make a gossip or rumour (hadith in this case) true.

AntiChristian:
Is the Bible not a rumour according to Luke 1:1-4?

Mark and Luke never met Jesus. They didn't mention where their source of information was. No chains of narrators like the hadiths. No authentication. Even Mathew and John were not present when Jesus was born. They met in between the story yet they wrote the story from the beginning copying texts, etc.

And after Jesus went up. Saul became Paul and then wrote about 14 out of 28 books of the New testament!

Moreover I will like to ask you if it is possible for Moses to have written his own obituary in the last book of Moses?

Why are you guys more of hypocrites like these?

The Bible is not a rumour but an eye-witness account of events. My friends, even though they may not know when/where I was born can write my biography providing these details in their books from secondary sources that are verifiable. And note, Jesus, from childhood, was well know among the Jews, rabbis, saduccees and the pharisees.

On Paul, what he wrote were epistles (long letters) to various churches and individuals in the early church. The reason it is always called THE EPISTLE OF PAUL.

On Moses, the first 5 books of the Jewish scriptures were written by Jewish scribes under the inspiration of God. It was named 'the 5 books of Moses' because Moses was the central figure in the 5 books and in Jewish religion.

AntiChristian:
Bring the evidences of what you're typing make we see!

The links below can be of help to you:

https://markusgsite./2017/10/28/hafs-ibn-sulayman-ibn-al-asadi-trustworthy-or-untrustworthy/
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/314071/criticism-of-hafs-as-a-weak-reporter-of-hadeeth
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/05/ibn-abbas-said-i-do-not-know-whether-it.html

On the number of hadith Imam Bukhari collected, see links below:

https://lifeinsaudiarabia.net/who-was-imam-bukhari-he-collected-600000-hadith-and-wrote-sahi-bukhari/
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/hadith/bukhari.html
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/05/27/Who-was-Imam-Al-Bukhari-the-most-famous-Muslim-to-documented-Islamic-hadiths-

Study the links and learn. Be humble!

true2god:
The frequency of which you mention mohammed's name in your prayers is not the issue but for the fact that in all your solat you have to mention the name of mohammed in one way or the other. This is against the concept of Tawhed which muslims falsely claim to strictly adhere to. Muslims are associating partner with allah when mohammed's name needs to be included in your 5 solat and shahada.

It never changed the fact that mohammed is held in a supreme position in islam. Why dont your shahada read: There is no god but allah and moses is his messenger.. This is because islam is all about allah and mohammed.

The shirk is when mohammed placed himself in the same position with allah. Mohammed said and I quote: ...the earth belomgs to allah and his messenger (sahih muslim 4363). If a Christian says 'the earth belongs to the father and his son' will you call it shirk or tawhed?

Not at all. Quran 33:43 & 33:56 state that Allah did “Yusalli/Yusalluna” which means “Prays/Pray”. Muslims cannot/shouldn't mistranslate their quran to hide/satisfy their bias. The question is 'why did allah pray for mohammed and to whom'? And please dont try to tell me that the word 'Yusalluna' has many meaning. That's a lie!

It might not be related to this thread but many people have learnt one or two new things from this discussion.

There is even a narration in the hadit that when Allah created adam, Adam said praise be to Allah and Mohamed.

Then Allah asked Adam how come you so smart you already know my name and know Mohamed whom i haven't even created lol

Then Adam said oh Allah I saw the name of Mohamed inscribe on your throne

Theguided:
Lol. David wood fan boys teaching muslims Arabic language..
If you really want to understand what you are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3WVAzSAvc

No he is actually a student of christian prince who is a native Arabic speaker than you abdool who can't comprehend two letters