Jashub:
Let me point out certain things that do not correlate in your post :


1. Your relation of Joseph and Pharaoh to Jesus and God is seriously off point because Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead (Colossian 2:9). So He cannot be two separate persons.


2. For a long time, Jesus spoke about His Father and His disciples being curious, wanted to know who this Father really was. So Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John (10:30). Then one of the disciples(Philip) wanting to really know the identity of the father, then asked :

"Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.". Please notice the bold. He did not say image or presence ; he said SHOW.

Now Jesus answered, [b]"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"[/b]John 14:8, 9

Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says.


Besides all this, God has even repeated it many times that He will not share His glory with another,and neither should worship be ascribed to any other other God. But in scripture, we see that Jesus is worshipped (Matthew28:17 and John20:28) and He does not rejects it.

Here is are more verses to prove the point for doubters :

If that of pharaoh and Joseph did not satisfy you , what about the 1st Corinthian 5 26-28 I whowed you ?

Was that written by me ?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 KJV
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is EXCEPTED which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM , that God may be all in all.

The Revelation Jesus gave John tells us that Jesus is sitting by the right hand of God the Father.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


This does not mean that Jesus is not God . He is still God because he is our Creator whom God was talking to in Genesis :

Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God told Jesus , let us create man in our image .But after that the Bible ''God created man in his image ''.
Why not THEY OR GODS created man in their images ?
This is because , God the Father and God the Son are One . That is , all is for the Father since the Son does nothing of his own but for the Father.

A husband and wife are one does not mean they are not different people .


Jesus Christ is also the Alpha and Onega , the Almighty God like His Father who is Greater than His Son.

enilove:


If that of pharaoh and Joseph did not satisfy you , what about the 1st Corinthian 5 26-28 I whowed you ?

Was that written by me ?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 KJV
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is EXCEPTED which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM , that God may be all in all.

The Revelation Jesus gave John tells us that Jesus is sitting by the right hand of God the Father.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


This does not mean that Jesus is not God . He is still God because he is our Creator whom God was talking to in Genesis :

Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God told Jesus , let us create man in our image .But after that the Bible ''God created man in his image ''.
Why not THEY OR GODS created man in their images ?
This is because , God the Father and God the Son are One . That is , all is for the Father since the Son does nothing of his own but for the Father.

A husband and wife are one does not mean they are not different people .


Jesus Christ is also the Alpha and Onega , the Almighty God like His Father who is Greater than His Son.

Please do not get me wrong in all in this :

I am not arguing with the verses you quoted; on the contrary I accept them as God's word. But where I contend with you is on the explanation/interpretation of the whole picture the bible portrays of Jesus through scripture The verses you quoted do not give a complete picture because they do not correlate to the things Jesus said about Himself neither do they give a full definition of who Jesus really is . Which leave a gap that only the Holy Spirit can cover.

Now look let us compare some notes on the attributes of God and relate them to Jesus:


Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's[b/]
2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's
3. Who sends angels? God
4. To whom belong the elect?God
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God
7. Who comes from Heaven? God



Why do I claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? I did not invent this idea, no. Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over.

Let us see some answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20


2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20


3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]


4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31


5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20


6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13


7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28

And there is more....loading

Preciousgirl:
See Evidence:

Isaiah 44:6
[6]“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.


Mark 15:2
[2]Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”


YHWH, God of the Old is Jesus Christ of Nazareth He is the King of the Jews

Amen

Are you saying that jesus is still the father of himself...hmm christianity and bull shiit are like 5 and 6

sonmvayina:


Are you saying that jesus is still the father of himself...hmm christianity and bull shiit are like 5 and 6

Why do you narrow Jesus to that nursery-school logic . For your information, Jesus is as old as time itself. It means He is ageless

Jashub:
Please do not get me wrong in all in this :

I am not arguing with the verses you quoted; on the contrary I accept them as God's word. But where I contend with you is on the explanation/interpretation of the whole picture the bible portrays of Jesus through scripture The verses you quoted do not give a complete picture because they do not correlate to the things Jesus said about Himself neither do they give a full definition of who Jesus really is . Which leave a gap that only the Holy Spirit can cover.

Now look let us compare some notes on the attributes of God and relate them to Jesus:


Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's[b/]
2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's
3. Who sends angels? God
4. To whom belong the elect?God
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God
7. Who comes from Heaven? God



Why do I claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? I did not invent this idea, no. Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over.

Let us see some answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20


2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20


3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]


4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31


5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20


6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13


7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28

When you take part of the Bible and neglect the other means you are calling the Bible a liar .


LET US DO IT THIS WAY .

AS ME ONE QUESTION AT A TIME AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT , THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP BY STEP.


Your first question on whose name do people come together and pray ?

It is in Jesus name . Because we cannot go to the father except through the Son .

Matthew 18:19-20 KJV
Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of MY FATHER which is in heaven. [20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The fact that people pray in Jesus name and gathered in his and and he is their midst does not mean he does not have a Father in heaven.

Is the above scriptures not true?

John 5:26-27 KJV
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 15:1-2 KJV
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [2] Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Go and read Revelation 4& 5: to the end

There is God the Father who gave Jesus the power , authorities and Life as per the Bible.

A son is not above the father. The his Bible says '' This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased '' .

Pls, believe the whole bible and don't reject any verse or book of it .

Jashub:
And you too.

When I was younger, I never knew who Jesus was. But through the grace of the Holy Spirit, the knowledge of whom Jesus really is came and I am very grateful for it.

It made me understand that the knowledge of God is progressive and never ending.

Jesus is God? Lol

Father, father why have you forsaken me... Who was he referring to? To himself?

Jashub:
Please do not get me wrong in all in this :

I am not arguing with the verses you quoted; on the contrary I accept them as God's word. But where I contend with you is on the explanation/interpretation of the whole picture the bible portrays of Jesus through scripture The verses you quoted do not give a complete picture because they do not correlate to the things Jesus said about Himself neither do they give a full definition of who Jesus really is . Which leave a gap that only the Holy Spirit can cover.

Now look let us compare some notes on the attributes of God and relate them to Jesus:


Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's[b/]
2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's
3. Who sends angels? God
4. To whom belong the elect?God
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God
7. Who comes from Heaven? God



Why do I claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? I did not invent this idea, no. Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over.

Let us see some answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20


2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20


3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]


4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31


5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20


6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13


7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28

Questions 1, to 3,5
Matthew 28:18, according to Jesus Christ.
Take it or leave.

Q4. 1 Corinthians 3:23.. receive SENSE.

Q6. John 3:16 , Romans 8:3 Yahweh sent Jesus Christ.
John 7:16 Jesus never came of his own accord.

Q7. John 20:17, after his earthly mission, Jesus is "ascending to my God & your God"
Bros, Who does Jesus call "my God" ?

According to the topic of this thread, John 20:17, did Jesus reject the claims of 'Precious girl'?

Bros, in your quote of John 16:28, why would Jesus your God of old Testament be having a Father in the spiritual realm ?

Jashub:
Why do you narrow Jesus to that nursery-school logic . For your information, Jesus is as old as time itself. It means He is ageless

But his birthday is coming according to tbe people that sold the tale to your ancestors, i can pardon your ancestors as they accepted the abdurdity out of fear and intimidation...not you..

There is a big library called the internet.

[s]

sonmvayina:


But his birthday is coming according to tbe people that sold the tale to your ancestors, i can pardon your ancestors as they accepted the abdurdity out of fear and intimidation...not you..

There is a big library called the internet.

[/s] Illogical rants

Jashub:
Did you see that Jesus is saying he and the father are different persons?

The bolded is a serious contradiction because you are indirectly telling us here, that Jesus and God are two different personages with a separate existence. But you fail to understand that in Colossian 2:9, scripture says that the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form is in Jesus, which happens to be one Person . The bolded contradicts many other verses. Examples are : 1Timothy 3:16 , Isiah 9:6 and 1John 5:7.

didnt you see what Jesus himself said concerning he and his father or you think Jesus was lying?
John 8:17
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Didnt you see where Jesus said he and his father bear witness of him thereby fulfilling the scriptures of two persons witness.

livingchrist:
what type of stupid question is this, didnt you see what Jesus himself said concerning he and his father or you think Jesus was lying?

Well actually, you are the one who is making the scripture look stupid by trying to contradict what Jesus said about Himself.

By you saying Jesus and God are two differ personages, then it contradicts John 14:9 as His identity. It also contradicts 10:30 which says "I and my Father are one ".

livingchrist:
what type of stupid question is this, didnt you see what Jesus himself said concerning he and his father or you think Jesus was lying?

It is the person who wrote it that is lying. The person was not even there, they put absurdities in jesus mouth to insult the creator of the universe..

Just negodu

Jashub:
Well actually, you are the one who is making the scripture look stupid by trying to contradict what Jesus said about Himself.

By you saying Jesus and God are two differ personages, then it contradicts John 14:9 as His identity. It also contradicts 10:30 which says "I and my Father are one ".

Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

Jashub:
Did you see that Jesus is saying he and the father are different persons?

The bolded is a serious contradiction because you are indirectly telling us here, that Jesus and God are two different personages with a separate existence. But you fail to understand that in Colossian 2:9, scripture says that the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form is in Jesus, which happens to be one Person . The bolded contradicts many other verses. Examples are : 1Timothy 3:16 , Isiah 9:6 and 1John 5:7.

Godhead is a FRAUD.
Greek theiotes is divine quality/divine nature.
God doesn't possess 3 heads.

Colossians 2:9-10, it pleases God the Father that divine quality dwells in his Son in heaven.

The son is in heaven when Paul wrote Colossians, Paul was NOT writing about Jesus earthly life.

1 John 5;7 and 1 Timothy 3:16 are confirmed Fraud, Bros go and learn!

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

So who is teaching you all these?
Are you no more of the opinion that Jesus is Jehovah?

Continue to deceive yourself, the one and only group teaching what you're typing now with strong conviction and efficacy is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

So you are free to continue learning from us we are not as arrogant as you guys, just know that it's the Governing Body that's teaching us not some spirit of confusion where you can't found fellow believers teaching the same thing. That's why we are the one and only Organization whose teaching is unique and all our members have the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10, 14:33, 40

You can never find another group like ours all of them are confused and scattered with their doctrines! Luke 11:23

May you have PEACE!

livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

You knew all this, yet you claimed that Jesus is Jehovah,his God and Father, John 20:17.
Bros, no play hide and seek, reject Trinity GIBBERISH completely
.

livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

I see that regular contact with Jehovah's Witnesses is already having positive impact on you. That's something one doesn't see everyday.
Just pray that your brethren Emusan and co. don't ostracize you oo

Janosky:

You knew all this, yet you claimed that Jesus is Jehovah,his God and Father, John 20:17.
Bros, no play hide and seek, reject Trinity GIBBERISH completely
.

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

So who is teaching you all these?
Are you no more of the opinion that Jesus is Jehovah?

Continue to deceive yourself, the one and only group teaching what you're typing now with strong conviction and efficacy is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

So you are free to continue learning from us we are not as arrogant as you guys, just know that it's the Governing Body that's teaching us not some spirit of confusion where you can't found fellow believers teaching the same thing. That's why we are the one and only Organization whose teaching is unique and all our members have the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10, 14:33, 40

You can never find another group like ours all of them are confused and scattered with their doctrines! Luke 11:23

May you have PEACE!

yes Jesus is Jehovah God.
You are just deluding yourself, you should seek Jesus christ not Jehovah witness cult organisation.

Janosky:

You knew all this, yet you claimed that Jesus is Jehovah,his God and Father, John 20:17.
Bros, no play hide and seek, reject Trinity GIBBERISH completely
.

Trinity do not teach that Jesus is God the father, so where are all these coming from?

DappaD:


I see that regular contact with Jehovah's Witnesses is already having positive impact on you. That's something one doesn't see everyday.
Just pray that your brethren Emusan and co. don't ostracize you oo

you Jehovah witness do not know what trinity is, trinity doctrine does not teach that Jesus and the father are the same person but rather they are one being.
Trinity actually means one God in three persons and three persons in one God.
The person of the father is same as the son neither is it same as the holy Spirit but all the same God.

When we tell them they need to learn from Jesus' brothers (Governing Body) they are proving stubborn and arrogant, now they're secretly yielding to the teachings of JWs.

Just imagine the livingchrist guy saying "Jesus and JEHOVAH are separate persons"

Even if they are shy to admit it JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are teaching them!

Well-done my brothers may Jehovah crown our effort!

DappaD:


I see that regular contact with Jehovah's Witnesses is already having positive impact on you. That's something one doesn't see everyday.
Just pray that your brethren Emusan and co. don't ostracize you oo

It's OK we're hearing you loud and clear now!

Your thread says "Jesus is Jehovah" Preciousgirl said "Jesus is the God of old testament" even though i'm not Chris Okotie i can still follow up with your teachings consistently Sir.
So are you for or against the OP's assertion?

livingchrist:
yes Jesus is Jehovah God.
You are just deluding yourself, you should seek Jesus christ not Jehovah witness cult organisation.

I don't understand what isn't found in the Bible abi?
Just quote anywhere in the Bible where the word “Trinity” is located. Even if it's just one occurrence please!

livingchrist:
you Jehovah witness do not know what trinity is, trinity doctrine does not teach that Jesus and the father are the same person but rather they are one being.
Trinity actually means one God in three persons and three persons in one God.
The person of the father is same as the son neither is it same as the holy Spirit but all the same God.

MaxInDHouse:
When we tell them they need to learn from Jesus' brothers (Governing Body) they are proving stubborn and arrogant, now they're secretly yielding to the teachings of JWs.

Just imagine the livingchrist guy saying "Jesus and JEHOVAH are separate persons"

Even if they are shy to admit it JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are teaching them!

Well-done my brothers may Jehovah crown our effort!

This guy just reminded of solite3 and DrLiveLogic matter sha

That is another Nollywood movie on Nairaland!

DappaD:


This guy just reminded of solite3 and DrLiveLogic matter sha

livingchrist:
Trinity do not teach that Jesus is God the father, so where are all these coming from?

livingchrist
When we say Jesus is equal to Jehovah it means the same as Jesus is Jehovah.

Yes, Jehovah became man that is the meaning of Emmanuel.


livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar

This Bros, you well ?

Janosky be careful!
Why you dey laugh me nah?

Janosky:

MaxInDHouse:
Janosky be careful!
Why you dey laugh me nah?

Brother Max,
Mr livingchrist is a gifted comedian

TRINITY has gone mad o!

Janosky:


This Bros, you well ?

OK na Akpororo shey?

Janosky:


Brother Max,
Mr livingchrist is a gifted comedian