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Empiree:
I have told you that top or developed countries are not essentially Christians. They practice adulterated Christianity. They only respect religious rights but in reality they don't give a damn about religion. The real Christian countries that actually carry religion on their head are very poor christian countries.

So all those developed countries, if you ask them about Christian values you will see whole bunch of people among them tell you that their countries were founded on no religion. It is minority Judeo-christian zionist terrorists amongst them like Michael Savage that tells you that America was founded on Judeo-christian values yet they don't believe in one another's religion.

Real Christian countries are poorer than ekute churchi . But religious Muslim countries you mentioned are wealthy and successful. Try again, buddy.

I shocked una

Are you dense or what?

I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT FOR ME THAT RELIGION IS BAD FOR GOVERNANCE IN A COUNTRY, BE IT ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY. SECULARISM IS THE WAY FORWARD.

Kai....no wonder your muslim.brothers ignore you. You make muslims look ignorant

They didn't need to involve. You have defended Christianity from time to time. You recently tried to distance yourself because I have superior argument.

Now let me point something out to you. All christian countries including Haiti and Congo do not use their religious book to govern themselves. They are mostly secular democracy or democratic countries but they are still not successful. Yet they are very religious. We would not be arguing if you didn't attack Islam all the time.

AbdulSleeky:
Are you dense or what?

I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT FOR ME THAT RELIGION IS BAD FOR GOVERNANCE IN A COUNTRY, BE IT ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY. SECULARISM IS THE WAY FORWARD.

Kai....no wonder your muslim.brothers ignore you. You make muslims look ignorant

Empiree:
They didn't need to involve. You have defended Christianity from time to time. You recently tried to distance yourself because I have superior argument.

Now let me point something out to you. All christian countries including Haiti and Congo do not use their religious book to govern themselves. They are mostly secular democracy or democratic countries but they are still not successful. Yet they are very religious. We would not be arguing if you didn't attack Islam all the time.

But the top 30 countries in the world are secular democracies with minority of muslims.

Why is that?

I am not a Christian. Ogbeni. I am an atheist.

AbdulSleeky:
But the top 30 countries in the world are secular democracies with minority of muslims.

Why is that?

I am not a Christian. Ogbeni. I am an atheist.

so why are condemning Muslim countries when devoted christian countries are poverty-ridden?.

Their religious Laws are backward. That's why they shamelessly abandoned it. They have secular democracy but they have no brain to govern properly.

Empiree:
so why are condemning Muslim countries when devoted christian countries are poverty-ridden?.

Their religious Laws are backward. That's why they shamelessly abandoned it. They have secular democracy but they have no brain to govern properly.

Both are poverty ridden. That is both christianity and Islam.

But you are a muslim. Secularism is the way forward.


You have admitted it indirectly. Sharia is a failure compared to a secular democracy.

AbdulSleeky:
Both are poverty ridden. That is both christianity and Islam.

But you are a muslim. Secularism is the way forward.


You have admitted it indirectly. Sharia is a failure compared to a secular democracy.

you keep saying Sharia is a failure but you looked the other way at secular democracy in poverty ridden countries

Empiree:
you keep saying Sharia is a failure but you looked the other way at secular democracy in poverty ridden countries

What nonsense are you saying?

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT THE TOP DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ARE ALL SECULAR DEMOCRACIES AND NOT SHARIA PRACTICING COUNTRIES.


If sharia was so good, the ummah would be living in the best countries in the world. Islamic countries would be ruling the world.

AbdulSleeky:
What nonsense are you saying?

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT THE TOP DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ARE ALL SECULAR DEMOCRACIES AND NOT SHARIA PRACTICING COUNTRIES.


If sharia was so good, the ummah would be living in the best countries in the world. Islamic countries would be ruling the world.

They have in the past for centuries. Everything has its time appointed. Enikan kii je awade. A time will come when secular democracy will also evaporate. There will be a new turn when another zaman emerges. This is common sense. Pharaoh was powerful and reigned like he would never end. Solomon was powerful that no power in the world could challenge his authority. He reigned like he would never end.

Right now it is western secular democracy in the picture. When a new zaman comes this secularism will also shift. It is God that rotates affairs of humans. If this is not clear to you, you should ponder on MKO Abiola. The richest man in Nigeria in his time. He reigned like forever. During his time Dangote did not exist. From no where Dangote emerged and becomes the richest man in Africa. A time will come when everything will shift from him and given to someone else.

It is all parts of Divine Plan. So you can hug transformer if you hate Sharia Law so so much.

Empiree:
They have in the past for centuries. Everything has its time appointed. Enikan kii je awade. A time will come when secular democracy will also evaporate. There will be a new turn when another zaman emerges. This is common sense. Pharaoh was powerful and reigned like he would never end. Solomon was powerful that no power in the world could challenge his authority. He reigned like he would never end.

Right now it is western secular democracy in the picture. When a new zaman comes this secularism will also shift. It is God that rotates affairs of humans. If this is not clear to you, you should ponder on MKO Abiola. The richest man in Nigeria in his time. He reigned like forever. During his time Dangote did not exist. From no where Dangote emerged and becomes the richest man in Africa. A time will come when everything will shift from him and given to someone else.

It is all parts of Divine Plan. So you can hug transformer if you hate Sharia Law so so much.

Your caliphate will never rise. The ummah will oppressed by the infidels till the end of time

JackBizzle:
Your caliphate will never rise. The ummah will oppressed by the infidels till the end of time

why did you comment from another moniker

So you understand that Muslims are currently the oppressed. Thanks for saying the truth again.

Empiree:
why did you comment from another moniker

So you understand that Muslims are currently the oppressed. Thanks for saying the truth again.

There are oppressed muslims and muslim oppressors.

In every sharia compliant country, there is marginalisation of non-muslims, gays and women.

Another fraud by Christian guy pretending to be a Muslim. He blended perfectly fine with Muslims. He reads Qur'an perfectly but he is not a Muslim.

Many Muslims have called him to have words with him. Like seriously, why are Christians insecure about their religion?. Is it not clear now that they can add well be BH?.

A legal step need to be taken asap. This is a religious fraud and deception, not religious freedom.

Christians have trained their people in arabic and Islamic schools and use them against Islam. Thanks to media that exposed this guy. This is how they trained two Christians in Sudan and they returned to Nigeria and transformed into BH.

AbdulSleeky:
There are oppressed muslims and muslim oppressors.

In every sharia compliant country, there is marginalisation of non-muslims, gays and women.

Funny dude

Can you point out a Muslim countries currently oppressing nonmuslims?. Please I need answer asap.

Talking about gay, is it only Muslim countries?. Nigeria is evenly divided btw Muslims and Christians but the country has anti-gay legislation under Christian president Goodluck E. Jonathan.

Zimbabwe is a christian county and is very anti-gay. Homosexual is a punishable offense in Zimbabwe. Talking about marginalisation, can you point out how they are marginalized?. Are Muslims not marginalized in France, UK, USA, Germany, Denmark?.

Empiree:
Funny dude

Can you point out a Muslim countries currently oppressing nonmuslims?. Please I need answer asap.

Talking about gay, is it only Muslim countries?. Nigeria is evenly divided btw Muslims and Christians but the country has anti-gay legislation under Christian president Goodluck E. Jonathan.

Zimbabwe is a christian county and is very anti-gay. Homosexual is a punishable offense in Zimbabwe. Talking about marginalisation, can you point out how they are marginalized?. Are Muslims not marginalized in France, UK, USA, Germany, Denmark?.

1. The worst countries for women are dominated by islamic countries- see the picture below#
2. Islam's discrimination of gays is worse than christianity's. Islam is way worse. Both religions have problems.
3. Anywhere sharia is, non-muslims are not allowed to drink. Dubai learnt the hard way when foreigners reduced- then they relaxed the alcohol prohibition laws.
4. In Saudi, christians cannot worship. In pakistan both christians and buddhists are beaten, killed or arrested. Simple and clear examples of oppression.





See the worst countries for women- islamic countries dominate- about 70%

AbdulSleeky:
1. The worst countries for women are dominated by islamic countries- see the picture below#
2. Islam's discrimination of gays is worse than christianity's. Islam is way worse. Both religions have problems.
3. Anywhere sharia is, non-muslims are not allowed to drink. Dubai learnt the hard way when foreigners reduced- then they relaxed the alcohol prohibition laws.
4. In Saudi, christians cannot worship. In pakistan both christians and buddhists are beaten, killed or arrested. Simple and clear examples of oppression.





See the worst countries for women- islamic countries dominate- about 70%

I think my points are clear. You have been struggling to defend critical points i raised. The data you attached is obviously propaganda by the ruling class. As you can there is no Western countries on the list. It's all depends on your definition of how women are treated. There are westerners moving to Africa and Middle east for conducive environment as well. Anything else you said is irrelevant. I think I am done here and i am moving on to a more important things

Empiree:
I think my points are clear. You have been struggling to defend critical points i raised. The data you attached is obviously propaganda by the ruling class. As you can there is no Western countries on the list. It's all depends on your definition of how women are treated. There are westerners moving to Africa and Middle east for conducive environment as well. Anything else you said is irrelevant. I think I am done here and i am moving on to a more important things

Truth is bitter abi? Lol

AbdulSleeky:
Truth is bitter abi? Lol

let me tell you what you don't seem to understand brekkie I ignore you until you say something rational. What you don't understand is, some part of Sharia Law is subjective to culture. All Muslim countries that incorporated elements of Sharia in their local laws are subjected to their culture.

The aspects that acceptable concerned Islam is very small portion. For instance, in western countries, they incorporated Sharia in their systems especially in the aspects of social benefits and tax system. Knowledgeable Muslims understand that some of the western law complied with Islamic law. But because you are a bigot you can never understand anything because you have irrational hatred and islamophobic tendencies in your heart.

Empiree:
let me tell you what you don't seem to understand brekkie I ignore you until you say something rational. What you don't understand is, some part of Sharia Law is subjective to culture. All Muslim countries that incorporated elements of Sharia in their local laws are subjected to their culture.

The aspects that acceptable concerned Islam is very small portion. For instance, in western countries, they incorporated Sharia in their systems especially in the aspects of social benefits and tax system. Knowledgeable Muslims understand that some of the western law complied with Islamic law. But because you are a bigot you can never understand anything because you have irrational hatred and islamophobic tendencies in your heart.

Lies and more lies.

Is sharia law not from Allah? Why is it so fallible to culture? Why is God's law so weak?

Hahaha.

Atheism is growing in Iran and Saudi. Let's see how the countries fare in the next two years

AbdulSleeky:
Lies and more lies.

Is sharia law not from Allah? Why is it so fallible to culture? Why is God's law so weak?

I know you don't have sense to decipher my post. Bigotry is truly a disease.

When I said it is subjected to culture it means it's application. For example, Nigeria and United kingdom claimed to have democracy. Can you compare them?.

Nigerian democracy is subjective to Nigerian cultures and way of life. Way of life in Nigeria political system is favoritism
and disregard for the rule of law which they have maintained during military regime. When Nigeria adopted democracy the country still never changed. Matter of fact it changed for the worse. There is no difference between political system then and now.

Politicians still get away with many things but in United kingdom corrupt politicians are brought to book under the law. But it doesn't mean they don't have issues too.

Similarly Sharia, when it is applied by different countries they tend to incorporate elements of their culture into it. Muslims are not homogeneous people. This is what you failed to understand.

For example, Saudi Arabia did not allow women to drive for decades. This has nothing to do with Islam but because it is a majority Muslim country, nonmuslims would think it is Sharia law that prevents women from driving. A sincere truth seeking nonmuslim would look into other Muslim majority countries to see if women drive. If they do it means Saudi Arabia that refused to allow their women to drive is subjective to them not Islam.

I know I have to teach you certain things but I am sure you are still gonna come up with trash because you don't think from your head. You have allowed hatred to take over the best of you. It is very painful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opx43EckTrw

Empiree:
I know you don't have sense to decipher my post. Bigotry is truly a disease.

When I said it is subjected to culture it means it's application. For example, Nigeria and United kingdom claimed to have democracy. Can you compare them?.

Nigerian democracy is subjective to Nigerian cultures and way of life. Way of life in Nigeria political system is favoritism
and disregard for the rule of law which they have maintained during military regime. When Nigeria adopted democracy the country still never changed. Matter of fact it changed for the worse. There is no difference between political system then and now.

Politicians still get away with many things but in United kingdom corrupt politicians are brought to book under the law. But it doesn't mean they don't have issues too.

Similarly Sharia, when it is applied by different countries they tend to incorporate elements of their culture into it. Muslims are not homogeneous people. This is what you failed to understand.

For example, Saudi Arabia did not allow women to drive for decades. This has nothing to do with Islam but because it is a majority Muslim country, nonmuslims would think it is Sharia law that prevents women from driving. A sincere truth seeking nonmuslim would look into other Muslim majority countries to see if women drive. If they do it means Saudi Arabia that refused to allow their women to drive is subjective to them not Islam.

I know I have to teach you certain things but I am sure you are still gonna come up with trash because you don't think from your head. You have allowed hatred to take over the best of you. It is very painful

Man made laws will always be influenced by culture.


But isn't sharia God's law? Why is it having the same pitfalls as man made laws?

The strongest muslim countries all failed to implement sharia law properly. Saudi didn't allow women to drive for years. Jordan, Kuwait, iran, UAE all have laws that have been secularized recently for foreigners.


Sharia law is a total failure.

It is a pity you have no sense. I can't be wasting my time any further. You have your motives which I can understand.

AbdulSleeky:
Man made laws will always be influenced by culture.


But isn't sharia God's law? Why is it having the same pitfalls as man made laws?

The strongest muslim countries all failed to implement sharia law properly. Saudi didn't allow women to drive for years. Jordan, Kuwait, iran, UAE all have laws that have been secularized recently for foreigners.


Sharia law is a total failure.

Empiree:
It is a pity you have no sense. I can't be wasting my time any further. You have your motives which I can understand.

abegi.

We both know that your religion has so many flaws.

AbdulSleeky:
abegi.

We both know that your religion has so many flaws.

I can excuse your ignorance actually

Empiree:
I can excuse your ignorance actually

Bala Mubarak case nko? Can you see how many muslims disgrace islam?

Read about Bala's case and weep. The finally let him out

AbdulSleeky:
Bala Mubarak case nko? Can you see how many muslims disgrace islam?

Read about Bala's case and weep. The finally let him out

what's my business with his case?. It is not new for govt to lock up people unconstitutionally. This is not restricted to Nigeria only. I believe you live in UK. They do it there too. So what the problem?.

I don't believe in locking up someone indefinitely without charge regardless of his crime. But it is govt practices around the world to lock up people for years without formal charge. But for Nigerians to start screaming "international human rights and international community" should involved is absurd. They do the same in their own countries. Let the so called international community resolves issues in their own countries first before poke-nosing others. Ask me for proofs and I will bring just 10 cases of Muslims locked up for years and decades without formal charges against them in western countries.

How about Gitmo?. There are Muslims locked up there without charge but you bigots turned blind eye. Is that constitutional?. If Bala did nothing or if govt has no case against him they need to let him go. Simple.

How about ikoyi prison?. Do you guys have idea what's going on there?. There are people in there already discharged legally but they are still held in prison because no one would come to bail them (egunje). But you guys focus on anything Islamic to make cheap point. Please go to ikoyi prison and you will see lots of innocent Muslims asked nonmuslims there for years but they are already relieved of the charges brought against them but they are still not released. You all need to get a life and stop instigating hatred against religion.

Empiree:
what's my business with his case?. It is not new for govt to lock up people unconstitutionally. This is not restricted to Nigeria only. I believe you live in UK. They do it there too. So what the problem?.

I don't believe in locking up someone indefinitely without charge regardless of his crime. But it is govt practices around the world to lock up people for years without formal charge. But for Nigerians to start screaming "international human rights and international community" should involved is absurd. They do the same in their own countries. Let the so called international community resolves issues in their own countries first before poke-nosing others. Ask me for proofs and I will bring just 10 cases of Muslims locked up for years and decades without formal charges against them in western countries.

How about Gitmo?. There are Muslims locked up there without charge but you bigots turned blind eye. Is that constitutional?. If Bala did nothing or if govt has no case against him they need to let him go. Simple.

How about ikoyi prison?. Do you guys have idea what's going on there?. There are people in there already discharged legally but they are still held in prison because no one would come to bail them (egunje). But you guys focus on anything Islamic to make cheap point. Please go to ikoyi prison and you will see lots of innocent Muslims asked nonmuslims there for years but they are already relieved of the charges brought against them but they are still not released. You all need to get a life and stop instigating hatred against religion.

Whataboutism.

When islam or muslims do something bad, your usual defense is "Christians and other people do it too".


Ogbeni, you and other muslims that supported Bala's arrest are now looking like bigoted fools

AbdulSleeky:
Whataboutism.

When islam or muslims do something bad, your usual defense is "Christians and other people do it too".


Ogbeni, you and other muslims that supported Bala's arrest are now looking like bigoted fools

you didn't address my post. Read again

Empiree:
you didn't address my post. Read again

Your whole post was falsely claiming that other people are locked up without trial.

YOU ARE A COMPLETE FOOLISH TERRORIST SYMPATHISER FOR COMPARING LOCKED UP TERRORISTS TO INNOCENT BALA BEING LOCKED UP FOR BLASPHEMY


Which is false.
In the uk, there is due process.

The only exception is terrorism. You say that muslims are unjustly locked up for terrorism. This is false. There is no innocent muslim in Guantanamo bay.

Life imprisonment for terrorists is just. You are a terrorist sympathiser if you believe any less.


We are not talking about sentencing terrorists. We are talking about

1. Unjust arrest for blasphemy
2. Detention with no trial
3. Silence from muslims