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kokomilala:
@sonmvayina,please read the Bible well.They were never 3 .They were a company.This error of 3 wise men has been going on for ages.

JoeEeL:
Your problem in Nigeria, y'all, is that you believe too much in fables!

Wise men from the East ko, wise mongrels from the Sahel ni.

Fulanis are in your towns and villages ransacking, raping and killing.

Just this week, Fulani atrocities were recorded in both Southern Kaduna and Benin. 2 weeks ago, it was Edo. The government has been supporting these guys; pogroms premeditatedly going on, and that war is finally here.

Yet una dey discuss wise men from the East wey una no see. Single sense, una no get.

sonmvayina:
Christianity and islam maybe, but not judaism. Except if there was any evidence of it before 530BC.

erico2k2:
There was Magic back then and some odd religion!

explosiveskull:
Don't you know it was Jethro who moses sought refuge from wwhen he ran from egypt that taught him most of the religious things he thought Israel. Jethro was a high priest hope you know? Moses married one of his daughters and she was referred to as a cushite and in hebrew cush means black or dark coloured, it means moses married a black woman and the origin of judaism is from africa.

kokomilala:
@sonmvayina,please read the Bible well.They were never 3 .They were a company.This error of 3 wise men has been going on for ages.

MaxInDHouse:
Back in Bible times anyone having to do with hearing from the spirit realms is referred to as "Wiseman" that's why King Nebuchadnezzar gathered all of them in his kingdom to tell him the meaning of his dream. Daniel 2:2
Daniel who was God's prophet by then was also affected because everyone knew that he also do hear from the spirit realms! Daniel 2:13-14

The east is the cradle of all spiritistic acts, that's why God asked Abraham to leave that place! Genesis 12:1

Since God has called out Abraham the east remains in opposition to God's people because Satan is the chief agent of all spiritistic acts and he doesn't want pure worship to flourish. That's why he (Satan) always set his mind on Jerusalem to profane and mock pure worship! Psalms 137:1-5

Nebuchadnezzar's idea of a statue for worship came through Satanic inspiration in order to force everyone (including God's people) worship images which the true God detests! Daniel 3:1-7 compared to Exodus 20:4-5

So just as Satan manipulated Nebuchadnezzar to attack pure worship he produced the star to lead the wise men from Babylon to Herod so that Jesus could be killed, but God stepped in by telling those men not to return to Herod, they would have returned and direct Herod to where the baby is if God did not intervene. Of course those wise men came with good intentions but the spirit directing them (Satan) only want to use them as bait for Herod to get Jesus killed!

May you have PEACE!

jesusjnr2020:
Keep your false JW translation to yourself!

They were wise men from the East. The same East that produced the likes of Job, Abraham who walked with God, and where the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego were showcased by God.

Stop believing lies!

EhisChelsea1:
Sir, you are not entirely right in this your assertion. The wise men were astrologers, people who study the celestial bodies so as to predict events. It is a practice that the old testament warned the Israelite against....

You would see also that the star didn't lead them directly to Jesus in the first place but to Herod. Now why would the star lead them to a man that would want to kill the young child? That should tell you it wasn't from God. It was from satan. It was a ploy to get the young child killed. They obviously didnt know satans intention. In the course of heir stud of thr stars, they saw the appearance of a strange star, different from others, studied it and realised a great man have bn born and they embark on a journey to worship that great man

The Wise men (they are not 3. The bible never said 3. That they presented 3 kinds of gifts to Jesus doesn't make them 3 persons) were not bad men. They were not conspirators

jesusjnr2020:
When you lie and falsify things concerning Christ the Messiah, as the JWs are well known for, what do you expect?

Those men were "wise men"! Whichever source you dug that your whatever from cannot be more authentic than the translation given in King James Version. You have obvious reasons why you discredit it because it exposes your lies!

By the way, the other ideas you also brought up have been debunked like "the wise men" conspired with Herod".

Stop believing lies.

You'd eventually end up where all liars do.

jesusjnr2020:
Who Were Those Wise Men From The East?

Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Now not much was said about these wise men, but there must have been something unusual about them to have been able to know about the birth of Jesus, and then come all the way down from the East just to worship Him. Because even those that were in the land where Jesus was born didn't even know about His birth that the news about Jesus birth appeared to surprise them.

Matthew 2:3-6 (KJV)

When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

So not just the King, but even the chief priests and scribes of the people, who knew what was said concerning Him by the prophet, were unaware that the King of the Jews had been born. But the wise men from the East knew and they had come all the way from the East to worship Him. And they kept following His star which they had seen in the East, until it brought them to the place where the little child was.

Matthew 2:10-11 (KJV)

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

So who were these wise men who had knowledge of the birth of Jesus the King of the Jews and the promised Messiah, that would compel them to come all the way from the East so that they would worship Him?

From the little said concerning them, the wise men were without a doubt prophet or men of God, whom God had sent from the East, to pay His only begotten Son a respect worthy of not just a king but the King of Kings, despite that He was yet a little child and lay in a lowly manger.

For it's not that easy for grown-up men to bow down and worship their fellow man, how much more a baby who lay in a lowly manger?

But this particular gesture of the wise men to baby Jesus, gives an idea of the spiritual level that these men walked in despite not emerging from the nation of Israel. They more or less acted like little children of whom Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of God." Matthew 10:14

So God was the One that revealed those things about baby Jesus to the "babes" also known as the wise men from the East, and had used a star to guide them to where baby Jesus was at the time of His birth, even the star which they followed until they got to where the baby was.

It was the same God that revealed to them the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, that appeared to them in a dream to warn them about not getting back to King Herod concerning their discovery because he had ulterior motives concerning the new born King.

Matthew 2:12 (KJV)

And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

So the wise men had obeyed the voice of God who sent them there and departed back to the East where they had come from through another way, after accomplishing the task that God had given them concerning His only begotten Son Jesus who was born in a manger.

And Jesus grew up to become a Man Mighty both in the Word and Works of God, that He'd without a shadow of a doubt, became the greatest and most influential Man to ever grace this planet. Hence He has worshipped by many a men after He grew up and became the man that He was, and that has continued unabated up til this very day.

However only a few men could ever boast of falling down and worshipping Jesus while He still a baby and yet lay in a lowly manger, when He hadn't accomplished any of those feats.

And they were the wise men from the East.

God bless.

michresakidjo:
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

jesusjnr2020:
Who Were Those Wise Men From The East?

Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Now not much was said about these wise men, but there must have been something unusual about them to have been able to know about the birth of Jesus, and then come all the way down from the East just to worship Him. Because even those that were in the land where Jesus was born didn't even know about His birth that the news about Jesus birth appeared to surprise them.

Matthew 2:3-6 (KJV)

When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

So not just the King, but even the chief priests and scribes of the people, who knew what was said concerning Him by the prophet, were unaware that the King of the Jews had been born. But the wise men from the East knew and they had come all the way from the East to worship Him. And they kept following His star which they had seen in the East, until it brought them to the place where the little child was.

Matthew 2:10-11 (KJV)

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

So who were these wise men who had knowledge of the birth of Jesus the King of the Jews and the promised Messiah, that would compel them to come all the way from the East so that they would worship Him?

From the little said concerning them, the wise men were without a doubt prophet or men of God, whom God had sent from the East, to pay His only begotten Son a respect worthy of not just a king but the King of Kings, despite that He was yet a little child and lay in a lowly manger.

For it's not that easy for grown-up men to bow down and worship their fellow man, how much more a baby who lay in a lowly manger?

But this particular gesture of the wise men to baby Jesus, gives an idea of the spiritual level that these men walked in despite not emerging from the nation of Israel. They more or less acted like little children of whom Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of God." Matthew 10:14

So God was the One that revealed those things about baby Jesus to the "babes" also known as the wise men from the East, and had used a star to guide them to where baby Jesus was at the time of His birth, even the star which they followed until they got to where the baby was.

It was the same God that revealed to them the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus, that appeared to them in a dream to warn them about not getting back to King Herod concerning their discovery because he had ulterior motives concerning the new born King.

Matthew 2:12 (KJV)

And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

So the wise men had obeyed the voice of God who sent them there and departed back to the East where they had come from through another way, after accomplishing the task that God had given them concerning His only begotten Son Jesus who was born in a manger.

And Jesus grew up to become a Man Mighty both in the Word and Works of God, that He'd without a shadow of a doubt, became the greatest and most influential Man to ever grace this planet. Hence He has worshipped by many a men after He grew up and became the man that He was, and that has continued unabated up til this very day.

However only a few men could ever boast of falling down and worshipping Jesus while He still a baby and yet lay in a lowly manger, when He hadn't accomplished any of those feats.

And they were the wise men from the East.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
You seem to lack knowledge that it takes two to conspire, hence your unwarranted lame excuses that you said this but did not say that.

Good though that you admitted your error, because only Hero's had ulterior motives concerning what he did, which completely exonerates the wise men of any guilt.

samx4real:
Emeka, Chinedu and Okafor










If its these guys they would have brought ; cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin

haddeylium:
Think of it..
The appearance of the star threaten the life of Jesus Christ and even resulted in the murder of innocent babies
Who do you think would be behind this conspiracy
God or Satan?

sagieramos:
Oga the first time I saw this evidence it wasn't from JW, although, I got more insight later from JW online library. But come to think of it, why do people attribute every truth told to JWs?

sonmvayina:
Christianity and islam maybe, but not judaism. Except if there was any evidence of it before 530BC.

EhisChelsea1:
Sir, you are not entirely right in this your assertion. The wise men were astrologers, people who study the celestial bodies so as to predict events. It is a practice that the old testament warned the Israelite against....

You would see also that the star didn't lead them directly to Jesus in the first place but to Herod. Now why would the star lead them to a man that would want to kill the young child? That should tell you it wasn't from God. It was from satan. It was a ploy to get the young child killed. They obviously didnt know satans intention. In the course of heir stud of thr stars, they saw the appearance of a strange star, different from others, studied it and realised a great man have bn born and they embark on a journey to worship that great man

The Wise men (they are not 3. The bible never said 3. That they presented 3 kinds of gifts to Jesus doesn't make them 3 persons) were not bad men. They were not conspirators neither were there any intent in them to harm or conspire with Herod to harm the child..... All they did was to inquire from Herod being thr king am sure supposing the new baby to be from the kings lineage....

So the term wise men in ancient time was not just for people who fear God but people who understand times and season, philosophers, people who can predict the future and events among others and these men definitely fit into this category.....

You also will realise that this event occurred about 2-3 or 5 years after the birth of Jesus. And they visited Jesus in Joseph house, not in the manger where he was born.... (You can confirm this from the age of the children Herod ordered to be killed).... This tells you they took time to study the star and to understand it. If they were prophets as alleged by you, it won't take that long. It will be a simple message. But these were not Prophets but astrologers whose occupation was studying of the celestial bodies

IYANGBALI:
Mazi Okafor, Mazi Obinna and Mazi Okoro

DappaD:
Oh so you've already seen me through lens of prejudice, is that it?
Check the Greek rendering for Matthew 2:1 in the screenshot below from biblehub.com before rushing to conclusions. JWs do not own biblehub.com sir.

jesusjnr2020:
That's a false position!

Otherwise you'd tell me the star's appearance that led to the murder of babies in Egypt because of the birth of Moses.

thebosstrevor1:
This is fake.

The 3 wise men were herod personal wise men.

Herod was king of judea and was appointed by the Roman empire oman. These three wise men were herod personal wise men and they were from Mesopotamia, somewhere in the east, perhaps Persia or Babylonia.

They were educated and we could call them professors in philosophy.

Herod told these men to go bring the child but when they found him ,they worshipped him.

Their names are Caspar, Melchior, and Balthazar]

LilBlaze24o:
Op, nice write-up but the conclusion about the identity of the wise men from the East is wrong, since it doesn't support the general theme of the Bible.

Contrary to popular Christmas tradition, the Bible does not use the terms “three wise men” or “three kings” to describe the travelers who went to see Jesus after his birth. (Matthew 2:1) Instead, the Gospel writer Matthew used the Greek word ma’goi to describe those who visited Jesus. The word likely refers to experts in astrology and other occult practices. A number of Bible translations call them “astrologers” or “magi.”

How many “wise men” were there?
The Bible does not say, and traditions about their number vary. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, “Eastern tradition sets the number of Magi at 12, but Western tradition sets their number at three, probably based on the three gifts of ‘gold, frankincense, and myrrh’ (Matthew 2:11) presented to the infant.”

Were the “wise men” kings?
Although in Christmas tradition the visitors are often depicted that way, nowhere does the Bible call them kings. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, that designation was added centuries later as part of the traditions that “embellished the narrative.”

When did the “wise men” visit Jesus?
The astrologers may have visited Jesus a number of months after his birth. This is evident because King Herod, who wanted to have Jesus killed, ordered the slaughter of boys who were two years old and younger. He based that age range on information he had received from the astrologers.—Matthew 2:16.

The astrologers did not visit Jesus on the night of his birth. The Bible says: “When they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother.” (Matthew 2:11) This indicates that the family were by then living in a house and that Jesus was no longer an infant in a manger.—Luke 2:16.

Did God have the “wise men” follow the “star” of Bethlehem?
Some people believe that God sent the so-called star of Bethlehem to guide the astrologers to Jesus. Consider why that cannot be the case.

What appeared to be a star led the astrologers first to Jerusalem. The Bible says: “Astrologers from the East came to Jerusalem, saying: ‘Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.’”—Matthew 2:1, 2.

King Herod, not the “star,” was the first to direct the astrologers to Bethlehem. When he heard of a rival “king of the Jews,” Herod investigated where the promised Christ was to be born. (Matthew 2:3-6) On learning that it was to be in Bethlehem, he told the astrologers to go there, look for the child, and report back to him.

Only then did the astrologers go to Bethlehem. The Bible says: “After they had heard the king, they went their way, and look! the star they had seen when they were in the East went ahead of them until it came to a stop above where the young child was.”—Matthew 2:9

The appearance of the “star” set in motion events that threatened the life of Jesus and resulted in the murder of innocent children. When the astrologers left Bethlehem, God warned them not to return to Herod.—Matthew 2:12.

How did Herod react? The Bible says: “Herod, seeing that he had been outwitted by the astrologers, flew into a great rage, and he sent out and had all the boys in Bethlehem and in all its districts killed, from two years of age and under, according to the time that he had carefully ascertained from the astrologers.” (Matthew 2:16) God would not have caused such a wicked thing to be done.—Job 34:10 (So listen to me, you men of understanding: It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, For the Almighty to do wrong!)