jesusjnr2020:
What evidence are you talking about?

Do you have any idea who called those men wise men?

It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him so that they could reverence Him.

So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a completely false source.

Your idea of a conspiracy with Herod is also false because Herod lied to them that he wanted that information because he wanted to also worship Him. And you also contradict yourself when you said that Herod had a secret plan to exterminate the Messiah, so where's the conspiracy there with the wise men but the figment of your imagination and those who imagine such a baseless and unfounded thing?

Or was it a conspiracy to worship King Jesus if genuine?

God was the One that led them with the star to where His only begotten Son lay, if not God would have stopped them before they got there after Herod had asked them to reveal the place to him. But God didn't til after the star had led them to where He was so that they'd worship Him, because the purpose He sent them had been accomplished.

engrchykae:
there is more to life than religion, Daniel is my best friend,a witness.
But your church people have no go areas when discussing.
Non participation in secular politics thereby letting hoodlums decide the date of everyone.

I asked my friend Daniel"what happened in the book of Samuel where the witch summoned Samuel"he dismissed it away.
I also asked him about where the Bible said that an evil spirit from God tormented King Saul,he also talked down on it.
I asked him about sons of God in Genesis 5,he already have "no go areas"
But he is my best friend,religion is for stupid people, humanity first before religion.

Janosky:


Is Donald T a hoodlum?
Bros na joke ooo !

Was Jesus Christ a politician?
Jesus and the disciples were no part of this world that will pass away, John 17:16, 1Jo2:15. ,5:19

Genesis 6:4, (if that's what you meant) "sons of God" there refers to rebellious, fallen angels (demons) who abandoned their God given assignment in heaven and transformed into human form to marry daughters of men.
(Hebrew malak = sons of God, angels).

The witch summoned "a god" (a demon) not Samuel who had died..
(Was Adam living in another realm b4 Creation?
No, @ Genesis 2:7.
Where did he go when he died? Genesis 3:19. Ecclesiastes 3:19,20.
Deut18:10-12, states Jehovah's disgust against spiritism.
Will Jehovah use a Source (a witch/demon) HE hates to speak to Saul, whom Jehovah & His Servant, Samuel had rejected?

engrchykae:
when Samuel appeared, Samuel told Saul that God have rejected him (Saul)why is Saul disturbing him.
It's Samuel,about sons of God,deeper lifers said it's backslidden believers who married sinners and therefore gave birth to giants.lol so if a Christian marries an unbeliever,they will give birth to a giant offsprings.
How dumb.
Anyway you seem open-minded.
Have a nice Sunday

DonCortino:


Judaism started when the jew were lead out of Egypt by moses. that should be long before 530BC even.

michresakidjo:
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

jesusjnr2020:
You seem to lack knowledge that it takes two to conspire, hence your unwarranted lame excuses that you said this but did not say that.

Good though that you admitted your error, because only Hero's had ulterior motives concerning what he did, which completely exonerates the wise men of any guilt.

Janosky:


Bros, shalom..

In many Bible versions, it reads " a god" (demon for sure..) was conjured to speak to Saul.
Even though na another person, Saul won't mind, he was that desperate. At that moment, he was desperate to find out the outcome of the forthcoming battle with the Philistines..

jesusjnr2020:
What evidence are you talking about?

Do you have any idea who called those men wise men?

It was Matthew a disciple of Jesus not some worldly person or gentile, and for Matthew to do so that means they were wise men in God's sight just as the likes of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and A.bad.nigga .

So that means they were wise men granted wisdom and understanding by God not the devil. And it was this same God gave them that wisdom that revealed to them the Truth about the birth of His only begotten Son Jesus and how to track Him so that they could reverence Him.

So wherever you got this evidence is not of the Truth but from a completely false source.

Your idea of a conspiracy with Herod is also false because Herod lied to them that he wanted that information because he wanted to also worship Him. And you also contradict yourself when you said that Herod had a secret plan to exterminate the Messiah, so where's the conspiracy there with the wise men but the figment of your imagination and those who imagine such a baseless and unfounded thing?

Or was it a conspiracy to worship King Jesus if genuine?

God was the One that led them with the star to where His only begotten Son lay, if not God would have stopped them before they got there after Herod had asked them to reveal the place to him. But God didn't til after the star had led them to where He was so that they'd worship Him, because the purpose He sent them had been accomplished.

MaxInDHouse:
NO! NO!! NO!!!
They were not evil at all, remember they brought costly gifts to baby Jesus!
The fact that one is born bread and brought up in paganism doesn't mean such a person is evil, it's just that that's what their ancestors practice and they don't know anything better!

benji93:
Why can't you humble yourself and learn?

Pacesetter123:


But those wisemen heard from God directly through dreams.So their mission n de appearance of star wouldn't have been inspired by satan as u said.It was all God's handiwork.I so summit!

michresakidjo:
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

haddeylium:


Yeah what?

Answer that question!

Those are undenying facts that that star sign is from an evil source
or who would want to eliminate the Messiah and convey a message that would leads to the mass murder of innocent babies. Satan affirmatively!

2 Thes 2:9- by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders
Apostle Paul warn Christains against Sign(like stars and all) ..
it misled those magicians, it shouldn't do that to you

1nairaland:

You are defending false information blindly, go read your Bible properly.

sonmvayina:


Christianity and islam maybe, but not judaism. Except if there was any evidence of it before 530BC.

DappaD:



My being honest should tell you that I'm not trying to save face or mislead anybody. As you can see from the thread, many commentators[who aren't JWs] have also alluded to the fact that the men who visited Jesus were astrologers/sorcerers who practiced things forbidden in the Law. Leviticus 20:6, Deuteronomy 18:10-12
If God was the one who directed the astrologers, then he would have led them directly to where Jesus was and not to Jerusalem where Herod was situated.
So God couldn't have been the one who revealed details about the Messiah to worshipers of pagan gods since God at that time revealed details of prophecies to only his Israelite-born servants/prophets. Amos 3:7

Dagz007:


What make you think his claim is wrong while yours is right, your claim is more of assumption that is not even grounded in the misinterpreted bible you study (pardon that) but read from the real language the original bible was written then get to understand even better.
There's nothing wrong in Learning, Unlearning and Relearning, these 3 is essential for a good knowledge seeker.

jesusjnr2020:
<sub>I already killed that question because it is foolish to use the single factor of a man's motive to come to conclusions about God, hence no need for that.

That how you also try to justify the lie that hell fire doesn't exist so I'm not surprised.

The star in the sky was now from an evil source because of Herod's decision to kill babies. So what about the fact that it made the men to sacrificially leave their abode far away in the East with the genuine intention to worship the new born King?

Does that make the star good?

That shows how lost you are.

If they were evil or led by an evil source, God wouldn't have allowed them to accomplish their task of worshipping the King of Kings.

He only warned them after they had done so because it was in accordance with His plan.

You're only drawing conclusions from false assumptions.

Your claim that the star misled the wise men of God is completely false, because it led them to where the Messiah and King was!

You really need the star right now, because you're being led astray and far away from the Truth which He is.</sub>

michresakidjo:
according to history, The three wise men mentioned in the Bible were Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is the first religion.. it predates both Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]You lied! It's because your false accusation of the wise men of God was clearly exposed, otherwise you'd have continued with your lies as you're doing so with the others.
I'm not surprised that there are many commentators here who agree with your position. In fact i'm even surprised of the amount of those who have agreed with mine because I know the position of many Christians about this. I know how you got misled about the wise men, even though you didn't want to state it. It was a recent thread that a pastor's wife called them spies. Imagine someone who's leading people speaking so ignorantly and misleading people about the wise men of God, how much more the followers?
So I didn't expect much persons here to agree with my position, but something you should know about me is that i'm not here to speak what people including Christians would agree to, but the Truth.
That's the purpose of this thread. To speak the Truth about the wise men of God for those who cared to listen.
So you can keep your many commentators who share in your false beliefs.
I stand with the Truth![/s]

DappaD:
I don't contend with proud, hateful and blind religious bigots. It's obvious from this thread that you've been severely schooled on the topic and you only want to save your pitiful face.

LilBlaze24o:


Hmmm, so God led the wise men first to Herod when he could lead them directly to Bethlehem, so Herod will later kill innocent children? Is that what you mean?

Okay let's put it this way, the wise men otherwise refer to as Magi or astrologers or magicians (practices that God hates) were led by God to visit Jesus that caused the following:
1. Endangered the life of Jesus
2. Cause the massacre of innocent babies

Is that what you mean?

No bro, all these are the works of the one who hates what is good, Satan the Devil.

jesusjnr2020:
Maybe you think I'm someone that could be schooled by false teachers like you.
I could only be schooled by teachers of the Truth not lies.
So when next you want to sell your lies, take it somewhere else because i'm not interested.
At least your false accusation against the wise men of God that they conspired with Herod against Jesus has been destroyed, so you can no longer hold on to it.
You've been hence schooled by a teacher of the Truth. That alone justifies this thread.

thebosstrevor1:



The mission of the three wise men was not an act of God but an ancient belief and tradition that signs in the heavens portended great--or terrible--things to come.

The three wise men were called the three wise men because of their expertise in astronomy and maybe philosophy

aysuprano:


Bro I'm just hearing about this Zoroastrianism for the first time and I just read about it, I swear there are lot of things hidden from us o