nocomment9999:


Come on, I know the only real tradition of the yoruba is to copy others, but did you really need to copy my words ?
You had to paraphrase me by using the word "clown" ? Couldn't you have your own original thoughts ?

To be a really funny clown, you need a certain level of originality. This was paraphrasing, not funny.
I expect better from a naturally gifted clown like you.

Gezz...

Benin now owns the word clown I laugh I. Swahili....

You are exhibiting your stupidity at the highest level.... kikikiki you guyz are trying to get back at me when I said you people can't think for yourselves but only edit other people's comment to sound intelligent but guess what I was not wrong...cuz greyboy just did it...

nocomment9999:
[s]You bring no evidence, only lies and false logics.You use the word "debunk" in a fast and lose manner. You are not debunking anything. You have no proof rather you are going against sentences which have proofs provided for them right in front of your eyes.[/s]

These are mere claims which according to Hutchins’ Razor should be debunked by mere counter claims.

Hence, you’re a fatuous Janus-faced Bini liar who have zero ability of engaging in a logical discussion. Oh please don’t tell me you live in France and think that is counter-argument as usual. LMAO!

The last time I engaged you, you were caught pants down lying about your Oba’s visit to Ife.

You claimed your Oba Akenzua II’s visit to Ife was to greet the then Governor of Western Region — the Ooni.

However, I disgraced you by demonstrating that the Ooni wouldn’t be made Governor until three decades later.

And how did you react to the disgrace? The same thing you do when in shame. You deleted your account and fled in shame.

nocomment9999:
[s]I always knew and I have always stated that the oni of ife is not a king.
the yoruba just invent themselves a tradition and a passed.
They copy real indigenoous cultures and turn arround to claim it is those cultures who copied yoruba.[/s]

Well, I have already debunked this to silence on this same page. Thanks for helping me bring it to this current page.

See my comment below:

The image attached by the OP traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where our OP has simply lifted word-for-word and image-for-image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

Guess what, this poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni, much less substantiate the authenticity of their uncorroborated and sourceless footnote which they’ve edited into the anonymous picture. It was a clear case of propaganda gone wrong.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up his mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood. Neither could he dare say a word in defense of his apparent mischievous editing as there is no other source for such (apparently false) information.

In fact to be emphatic, there is not a single past Ooni of Ife (from Yorubaland’s photography era) who has ever adorned the circular-style beaded-necklace as shown in the OP’s image.

This singular fact alone instantly debunks our OP’s image (and its accompanying footnote) as a work of dubious and fraudulent propaganda. Lol!

Do not take every information/image online at face value. Do your own thorough check if you must form an opinion from such information.

The Ooni of Ife was always and remains the head of all Yoruba kings as I have demonstrated with evidence in my above comment which precedes this one.

Birth of yoruba: 1808

(1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

[s]Adoption of the term "Oba" in yoruba chiefs nomenclature: 1930's[/s]

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Moreover, the oldest written evidence of “Oba” for your king yet on Nairaland is in the 1860s.

Whereas, we have seen an 1845 usage of “Oba” for Yoruba kings. LMAO!

[s]And the average yoruba would just go online and defend his dogma like a fanatic boko haram memeber defending the flatness of the earth[/s].

Substitute the word “yoruba” here for “Bini” and observe a round peg in a round hole.

[s]Notice the ooni of ife is wearing just one bead around his kneck, like any regular low ranking chief of Benin empire. To me this proves the ooni was a low ranking chief in Benin empire. therefor ife was under the Oba of Benin[/s].

Except that no Ooni ever wears any such bead in the history of photography in Yorubaland. A fraudulent boy thinking he is sleek.


Moreover, the attachments below published in the year 1903 shows that the Ooni of Ife had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

TAO11:
Why are you quoting him with your lies in the hope that he won’t detect them.

I have my way of detecting your lies so quote me if you think what you have is not a lie.

Let me disgrace you like I did the last time.

Cc: Balogunodua.

His cowardness is beyond this world...I tell you

TAO11:
These are mere claims which according to Hutchins’ Razor should be debunked by mere counter claims.

Hence, you’re a fatuous Janus-faced Bini liar who have zero ability of engaging in a logical discussion. Oh please don’t tell me you live in France and think that is counter-argument as usual. LMAO!

The last time I engaged you, you were caught pants down lying about your Oba’s visit to Ife.

You claimed your Oba Akenzua II’s visit to Ife was to greet the then Governor of Western Region — the Ooni.

However, I disgraced you by demonstrating that the Ooni wouldn’t be made Governor until three decades later.

And how did you react to the disgrace? The same thing you do when in shame. You deleted your account and fled in shame.



Well, I have already debunked this to silence on this same page. Thanks for helping me bring it to this current page.

See my comment below:


(1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Moreover, the oldest written evidence of “Oba” for your king yet on Nairaland is in the 1860s.

Whereas, we have seen an 1845 usage of “Oba” for Yoruba kings. LMAO!

Substitute the word “yoruba” here for “Bini” and observe a round peg in a round hole.

Except that no Ooni ever wears any such bead in the history of photography in Yorubaland. A fraudulent boy thinking he is sleek.


Moreover, the attachments below published in the year 1903 shows that the Ooni of Ife had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

You don't need to quote the coward...he was the one who started the thread

nocomment9999:
Average yoruba, how about you say thank you to Benin empire ?
Where is your gratitude ?
Stop being a liar and an ungrateful sob.

Go and create another moniker coward...

nocomment9999:
Debating with yoruba makes me think about Galilleo debating with the inquisition.
The gap of inteligence is that wide.
Since the yoruba are slow i will explain further: I am Gallileo and the yoruba are the inquisition.

You mean Edos intelligence in stupidity and cowardness

Kaiiiiiiiii!

You Edo peeps are just too dump

Balogunodua:
Gezz...

Benin now owns the word clown I laugh I. Swahili....

You are exhibiting your stupidity at the highest level.... kikikiki you guyz are trying to get back at me when I said you people can't think for yourselves but only edit other people's comment to sound intelligent but guess what I was not wrong...cuz greyboy just did it...

NOTE: He is a very sleek and adept with lies. He is better at the Benin lying business than Saamu himself.


Pleaeaeaeaeaeaease whenever you find him on any thread peddling Benin lies just tag me quietly.

He deletes his account often whenever I disgrace him, but you can always tell it’s him from his unique lies and comments:

He often post links to precolonial maps of Africa/W-Africa.

He often post videos on Benin bronzes in case we’ve forgotten Benin casted bronzes.

He often claims that the phrase “Omo n’Oba” is one and the same as “Oba” — that is, every one else is blind.

He often insists, even in the presence of contrary written evidence, that Yoruba began to use “Oba” in the 1930s.

He often talks about knowing some Math or Science and that he lives in France — he often brings this up when it becomes clear to he himself that he’s losing out.

Among several other nonsense talks sha!

Pleaaaaase tag me in quietly. If you aren’t quiet about it; he will delete his account before I arrive.

Balogunodua:


You don't need to quote the coward...he was the one who started the thread

No he wasn’t.

I know this one very well. E be my regular customer.

TAO11:
NOTE: He is a very sleek and adept with lies. He is better at the Benin lying business than Saamu himself.


Pleaeaeaeaeaeaease whenever you find him on any thread peddling Benin lies just tag me quietly.

He deletes his account often whenever I disgrace him, but you can always tell it’s him from his unique lies and comments:

He often post links to precolonial maps of Africa/W-Africa.

He often post videos on Benin bronzes in case we’ve forgotten Benin casted bronzes.

He often talk claims that the phrase “Omo n’Oba” is one and the same as “Oba” — that is, every one else is blind.

He often insists, even in the presence of contrary written evidence, that Yoruba began to use “Oba” in the 1930s.

He often talks about knowing some Math or Science and that he lives in France — he often brings this up when it becomes clear to he himself that he’s losing out.

Among several other nonsense talks sha!

Pleaaaaase tag me in quietly. If you aren’t quiet about it; he will delete his account before I arrive.

That must be david guy with numerous accounts he has created and deleted...

I will cc you whenever he is caught spreading lies...

samuk:


Which psychiatric hospital did this one escaped from?

Everyone can now see that though the Yoruba style themselves as educated but most of them, especially the ones here on Nairaland lacks reasoning abilities.

Are you aware that the Europeans were consistently in Benin for 400 years with countless reports on every aspect of Benin culture, tradition, trades and war exploits without being told anything about Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan.

If Ife was as great as you guys are parroting, don't you think the Europeans who were in Benin for 400 years would have be inquisitive enough to visit this wealthy, sophisticated cradle of Yoruba civilisation, Ife?

Benin to Ife is less than 200 miles, yet no visit from the Europeans. The European even visited Lagos which was then under Benin kingdom and much further away from Benin compared to Ife which was closer.

The Europeans served as mercenaries in the Benin/Ida war of the 1500s, yet they heard nothing about Ife.

Ife only appeared in Benin history in the 1800s, why would Benin forget to inform the European about Benin/Ife relationship for 400 years? Because it never existed, it was fabricated in the 1800s. Please prove me wrong.

Unfortunately for the Yoruba, most people that read these comments can think and people are now moving away from unsubstantiated oral history and now seeking fact and evidence based history.

Benin/Ife relationship have no historical, provable, independent eyewitness evidence earlier than 1800s to support it.

Benin/Ife relationship is "me say, you say" history, the Benin says Oduduwa was a Benin prince, Yoruba say Oduduwa is from the Sky, Mecca and now Ife. This is the kind of myth and unsubstantiated oral history people are moving away from.

Benin and Yoruba are not in agreement on the origin of Oduduwa. So stop fooling yourselves pretending there is an agreeable historical account of Oduduwa

Repeat a lie for as long as you want, it will never become true. Your insults will also not help your lies become truth.

The Yoruba don't have problems believing each others lies.

My comments and submissions are for right thinking and logical reasoning other Nigerians and diaspora you guys are trying to mislead.

Yoruba hinterland was first visited in 1824 by the European.. Yoruba came of age after the end of Benin empire/kingdom.

Your Oba is called "Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua
N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) by your own Bini ancestors, end of. Except you're saying your Bini ancestors were/are stupid and drunk for calling your Oba such appellations. You're paranoid and mentally unstable, go take your meds.

Balogunodua:


That must be david guy with numerous accounts he has created and deleted...

I will cc you whenever he is caught spreading lies...

Exactly!

Some of his monikers which I have forced him to delete in the past are:

Prolog,
ghostwon
worldhistory
logycs
Wtf77
davidmarker
mythbuster99999

And several others. When I say several I mean it in the literal sense.

TAO11:
No he wasn’t.

I know this one very well. E be my regular customer.

I remember him...

sesan85:
Your Oba is called "Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua
N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) by your own Bini ancestors, end of. Except you're telling your Bini ancestors were/are stupid and drunk for calling your Oba such appellations. You're paranoid and mentally unstable, go take your meds.

They actually don’t mind naming their Obas as sellout and fraud on such issues.

I haven’t seen these set of people before.

TAO11:
Exactly!

Some of his monikers which I have forced him to delete in the past are:

Prolog,
ghostwon
worldhistory
logycs
Wtf77
davidmarker
mythbuster99999

And several others. When I say several I mean it in the literal sense.

The guy has no shame..atall

The great French teacher....

sesan85:


Your Oba is called "Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua
N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) by your own Bini ancestors, end of. Except you're saying your Bini ancestors were/are stupid and drunk for calling your Oba such appellations. You're paranoid and mentally unstable, go take your meds.

It's not only Abieyuwa, it's Abieyefe.

TAO11:

I haven’t seen these set of people before.

The thing shock you, Abi?

samuk:

The thing shock you Abi?

As in ehn you people can lieee.

Wehdone sha!

I mean, what else will you all do for Benin if not to peddle lies as you’ve been doing.

TAO11:
They actually don’t mind naming their Obas as sellout and fraud on such issues.

I haven’t seen these set of people before.

Balogunodua
Sesan85

[s]

Balogunodua:


The guy has no shame..atall

The great French teacher....

[/s]

.

@Balogunodua and @Sesan85

In refutation of the foregoing screenshot attached by my rag (aka gregyboy), refer to the the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

[s]

Balogunodua:

You mean Edos intelligence in stupidity and cowardness

Kaiiiiiiiii!

You Edo peeps are just too dump

[/s]

[s]

Balogunodua:


You don't need to quote the coward...he was the one who started the thread

[/s]

TAO11:
Dumb ass! When did the Chinese first visit Benin?

Anyways, the Europeans (your gods) visited Yorubaland before they visit Benin.

Moreover, your gods (the Europeans) dared not visit Ife in the 1400s because (according to Ibn Battuta) they would be killed by the Ife people even before they arrived. Hahaha! See attached.

He gets the gist. He just hates the fact that his gods (the EUrOpEaNs) visited Yorubaland before Benin kingdom.

Hence, his diversionary tactics. He may find the quotation below of Ibn Battuta interesting to appreciate what Ife was in the 1300s.

@Obalufon, you may want to revisit my reply to your comment on the Lagos/Benin relationship. Let’s stop repeating the Benin account of Egharevba.

The Lagos account debunks it blatantly on specific matters such as who Ashipa is — Yoruba or Edo?; and of how the Binis settled in Lagos — peacefully or via conquest?

Moreover, the Lagos account was documented and published many decades (more than fifty years) before Egharevba came up with his strange contrary claims which as expected became very popular.

TheLionofLasigi

Not finished stealing Benin history, you are now stealing Zimbabwe history as Ife. The Yufi talked about by Ibn Battuta was in Zimbabwe. Below is your evidence.

TAO11:
As in ehn you people can lieee.

Wehdone sha!

I mean, what else will you all do for Benin if not to peddle lies as you’ve been doing.

You have nowhere to hide this days, all your lies are being shot down.

Another of your lie has just been debunked, you are a Fraud and learner.

Hope all you Igbo fans are reading.

Is Ife close to Mombasa? Does Ife have gold? Olodo rabatta.

samuk:
You have nowhere to hide this days, all your lies are being shot down.

Another of your lie has just been debunked, you are a Fraud and learner.

Hope all you Igbo fans are reading.

Is Ife close yo Mombasa? Does if have gold mine? Olodo rabatta.

LMAO! All I see in this comment are pains, tears, and disappointments.

Yeah, I may feel terrible too if I was in your shoes — realizing that my kingdom (about which I’ve been fed many lies since childhood) was unnoticed for Ife in the 1300s.

Folks, let’s find out how fast @samuk will disown that same material from where he shared his screenshots.

The same screenshots about which he clearly understands not a thing as would be demonstrated now.

samuk:
Not finished stealing Benin history, you are now stealing Zimbabwe history as Ife. The Yufi talked about by Ibn Battuta was in Zimbabwe. Below is your evidence.

I am not sure when Benin history was stolen. All I am sure of instead is that a EUrOpEaN visitor to Benin and Yorubaland in the pre-1897 days stated that Benin was inconsiderable as a town when compared with Yoruba towns — and he mentioned some minor Yoruba towns to that end. How is this my fault?

Having said that, if you were someone who reads, then you would have long realized that Summaries and Conclusions are the culmination of a series of argument.

In the light of that, the same scholar, whose material you screenshoted actually concluded in the same material as shown in the summary below on the final page just before his end notes.

Reference: J. E. G. Sutton, “Ibn Battuta’s Yufi — Bronze and Gold In Mid-Iron Age Africa,” Transafrican Journal of History, Vol. 10, No. 1/2 (1981), p. 160.

Now, let the u-turn begin!

Cc: Obalufon, Balogunodua, babtoundey, Ideadoctor, Sesan85,

samuk:


You have nowhere to hide this days, all your lies are being shot down.

Are you saying Ibn bittuta never talk about Yorubas... Laughing!! is even recorded in Yoruba Ajamis taught by Muslims scholars over centuries in Yoruba land

Old Oyo was a known trading route...

Obalufon:
Are you saying Ibn bittuta never talk about Yorubas... Laughing!! is even recorded in Yoruba Ajamis taught by Muslims scholars over centuries in Yoruba land

Did you not read my attached article. Ibn bittuta was referring to a town in Zimbabwe. Does Ife have gold.

You see what Tao lies have done to you guys? She is probably looking for another lie to tell. I trust she is digging up more lies.

samuk:
[s]Did you not read my attached article. Ibn bittuta was referring to a town in Zimbabwe. Does Ife have gold.

You see what Tao lies have done to you guys? She is probably looking for another lie to tell. I trust she is digging up more lies.[/s]

@Obalufon, don’t worry yourself.

He has been disgraced again as usual.

TAO11:
@Obalufon, don’t worry yourself.

He has been disgraced again.

Fellow Nairalanders:

Please look at Yufi that Ibn bittuta never visited but talk about on my attached article and Judge for yourself if that description resembles Ife. The evidence speaks for itself.

samuk:
Fellow [s]Nairalanders:
Please look at Yufi that Ibn bittuta never visited but talk about on my attached article and Judge for yourself if that description resembles Ife. The evidence speaks for itself.[/s]

Doing your schizophrenic pep-talk to yourself as usual. LMAO!

Samuk is clearly in severe pains that his kingdom was unnoticed by the world for Ife.

Yes, Ibn Battuta never visited Ife, and that’s the precise point.

In other words, the influence of Ife can be felt from the Mali empire where he actually visited.

Moreover, he stated why he couldn’t visit Ife, noting that he would be killed even before he arrived.

Again, from your own attached article; we find the following summary after the scholar had combed through all the evidence:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12917724_773c020280854605901bc2ec24ae414e_jpeg_jpegef2aefbdc897c10023ad0457f4512182

This is an identification from your own source that Ibn Battuta’s Yufi in West Africa is no other than Ile-Ife.

I can imagine exactly how you feel. Take heart, samuk the fraud.

TAO11:


Yes, he never visited Ife and that’s the point — that is, even from the Mali empire where he visited the impact of Ife was felt.

Moreover, he stated why he couldn’t visit Ife noting that he would be killed.

The sophistication of Ife spread all the way to Mali, yet the Europeans that were in Benin city less than 200 miles from Ife since the 1400s never heard or visited Ife till the 1800s. I don't know what Yoruba love most between party jollof rice and lies.

I guess European explorers also didn't visit Ife because they were also afraid of being killed.

Oh I forgot, the Europeans were afraid of mosquitos, bacteria and the unfavourable climatic conditions of Ife according to Tao.