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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 2:30pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

Your view of luck means there is nothing like intelligence.
So, your view is incorrect.

Are you missing the part where you have to prepare? Don't be illogical. Its you who is discounting intelligence, thinking luck is some dumb thing that just happens to you. You want 50million dollars to just fall into your lap, where is the intelligence in that?

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 2:41pm On Jan 14, 2021
LordReed:


Are you missing the part where you have to prepare? Don't be illogical. Its you who is discounting intelligence, thinking luck is some dumb thing that just happens to you. You want 50million dollars to just fall into your lap, where is the intelligence in that?
No .
It's you.
You think being lucky and being intelligent mean the same thing.
Preparation has nothing to do with luck.
Preparation only shows intelligence.
In fact,you actually think being successful is the same thing as being lucky,too.
Luck, intelligence and success are three different things.
Intelligence shows you tried to get
Luck shows you had a chance to get.
Success means you got.
What else?
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 2:56pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

No .
It's you.
You think being lucky and being intelligent mean the same thing.
Preparation has nothing to do with luck.
Preparation only shows intelligence.
In fact,you actually think being successful is the same thing as being lucky,too.
Luck, intelligence and success are three different things.
Intelligence shows you tried to get
Luck shows you had a chance to get.
Success means you got.
What else?

Are you lucky if you are not successful? Are you lucky if you do not succeed? On the other hand don't strawman my argument, I am not equating luck to intelligence. Intelligence is the tool you use to get lucky.

Meanwhile I am done with this conversation, you are free to continue with thinking magic 50 million dollars will fall into your lap.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 3:15pm On Jan 14, 2021
LordReed:


Are you lucky if you are not successful? Are you lucky if you do not succeed? On the other hand don't strawman my argument, I am not equating luck to intelligence. Intelligence is the tool you use to get lucky.

Meanwhile I am done with this conversation, you are free to continue with thinking magic 50 million dollars will fall into your lap.
You actually equated luck to intelligence when you said the act of picking up a pen means you are lucky.
Also, you should not equate success to luck because success means you achieved something after taking advantage of the luck you had or your exposure to something useful such as a pen.
Perhaps, you are even saying that the pen was never good for anything.
Well ,the 50 million dollars was just an illustration.
Do you think I am really expecting 50 million dollars
Hell Victorinho is neither a pessimist nor an optimist.
He is a realist.
All he sees now is randomness.
In other words,he is awaiting twists and turns.
So, even Elon Musk can't amaze him.
The universe is an arena of madness.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 5:34pm On Jan 14, 2021
LordReed:


Don't fall into the trap of magical thinking, you are not going to meet 50 million dollars out of the blue. You will meet opportunities to make 50 millions dollars but how would you recognise or take advantage of the opportunity if you are not prepared?
You, My Lord, need to get Hell to define the words he uses.

I have found his dictionary to not be the same as a regular one so he does not quite mean what he writes.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 5:45pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

You, My Lord, need to get Hell to define the words he uses.

I have found his dictionary to not be the same as a regular one so he does not quite mean what he writes.

I get irritated when people tell me what I mean and insist even after clarification so I am not interested in further conversation with him on this subject.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 6:14pm On Jan 14, 2021
LordReed:


I get irritated when people tell me what I mean and insist even after clarification so I am not interested in further conversation with him on this subject.
I get sad for it shows they do not hear, even themselves.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 6:53pm On Jan 14, 2021
DeusXmachina:
My idea/thoughts/hypothesis on the origin of religion.

Long form writing isn't something I'm particularly good at, as I find to hard to organize my thoughts so bare with me.
I'll be trying to connect some loosely related ideas combined with my own experience and limited understanding of the human mind here.

Let's start with examining one of the oldest known form of belief in the world, which is animism (the attribution of a living soul to plants, inanimate objects, and natural phenomena.), which is still commonly held by rural indigenous tribes/people.

We are not inherently logical creatures, we are driven more by emotion, sentiment, intuition. While our minds are hardwired to create narratives about our ourselves and our reality.

Here is a thought experiment, what would an uninformed person who was born and lived only in the wilderness think about the world? What would he think caused the rain/thunder, caused the earthquake, the sun to rise etc.. what narrative would his/her mind create to explain the world?
My thoughts here are from using my own memories and my thought process form my childhood as a reference here. Whenever there was a rain storm I was frightened, because to my immature and uniformed self it gave me a feeling as though the sky, rain, wind, thunder had a mind and will of its own and it was raging.

With this I'm drawing an assumption on animism being something that came about from this type of feeling. A feeling of as though everything and every phenomenon in the world had a will and mind of its own. Because what could possibly cause these phenomenon to behave the way they did, and it all seemed unpredictable.
So, a not so far fetched idea would be an animistic perception of the world.

Ok, tells take this a little further. Polytheism originating from animism.
From natural phenomenon having a mind and will of its own, to being anthropomorphized..

Will continue later..

Read, liked, waiting.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 7:41pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

I get sad for it shows they do not hear, even themselves.
I know that winnings gotten from gambling are viewed as being lucky.
But I wasn't expecting LordReed to apply such views towards my statements.
Besides, there are cases whereby a person wins XYZ dollars. Then loses it as well as every other money with him after staking again.
So,why should I apply such views towards other scenarios or scenarios that have nothing to do with betting

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 7:59pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

Well,if I come across a pen on the floor,it means I'm lucky to some extent because I can use the pen to write the lyrics of a rap song.
There are other scenarios like that.
If you could write the lyrics of a rap song you'd be unintelligent to wait for luck to come across a pen because you might never come across a pen and therefore never get to write the lyrics of a rap song.

N.B. "Pen" includes any lyrics of a rap song writing device you might think of. And unless you are talking about spontaneously writing a rap song with no prior knowledge, practise nor experience, you would have required such a device while practising and learning to write rap songs, hence, luck would have had nothing to do with it because you would have spent time working hard to write a rap song and that work would have already included getting a pen to write with and paper to write it on.

The above is why you qualified with "to some extent". It's because you know what you are saying is false .

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 8:08pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

If you could write the lyrics of a rap song you'd be unintelligent to wait for luck to come across a pen because you might never come across a pen and therefore never get to write the lyrics of a rap song.

N.B. "Pen" includes any lyrics of a rap song writing device you might think of. And unless you are talking about spontaneously writing a rap song with no prior knowledge, practise nor experience, you would have required such a device while practising and learning to write rap songs, hence, luck would have had nothing to do with it because you would have spent time working hard to write a rap song and that work would have already included getting a pen to write with and paper to write it on.

The above is why you qualified with "to some extent". It's because you know what you are saying is false .
I used the word 'if' for a reason.
Besides,I don't have to spend money on a pen if I can simply pick it up from somewhere.
I said it's to an extent because some popular artistes like Eminem came across something bigger.
They have had bigger opportunities.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 8:13pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

If you could write the lyrics of a rap song you'd be unintelligent to wait for luck to come across a pen because you might never come across a pen and therefore never get to write the lyrics of a rap song.

N.B. "Pen" includes any lyrics of a rap song writing device you might think of. And unless you are talking about spontaneously writing a rap song with no prior knowledge, practise nor experience, you would have required such a device while practising and learning to write rap songs, hence, luck would have had nothing to do with it because you would have spent time working hard to write a rap song and that work would have already included getting a pen to write with and paper to write it on.

The above is why you qualified with "to some extent". It's because you know what you are saying is false .
In addition to the other post, writing songs can involve as many as ten pens.
You may have to edit your songs before recording them for several reasons.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 8:52pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

In addition to the other post, writing songs will can involve as many as ten pens.
You will may have to edit your songs before recording them for several reasons.
The more reason why a rap song writer would not ever rely on luck to provide the pens.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 8:59pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

I used the word 'if' for a reason.
Besides,I don't have to spend money on a pen if I can simply pick it up from somewhere.
I said it's to an extent because some popular artistes like Eminem came across something bigger.
They have had bigger opportunities.
First know that if I had begun this conversation with you, I woud have first asked you to define 'luck', as experience of discussing with you has taught me, so, let me.

Luck is success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

You can indeed pick up pens from a pen factory or seller indeed, but you will definitely not be writing any worthwhile rap songs if you rely on picking one up from the floor unless you specifically go looking for pens in like a school for instance, and I would not call that luck, but "through one's own actions".

As for Eminem, ignoring his own actions in his success is insulting to him and moreso to yourself.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

First know that if I had begun this conversation with you, I woud have first asked you to define 'luck', as experience of discussing with you has taught me, so, let me.

Luck is success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

You can indeed pick up pens from a pen factory or seller indeed, but you will definitely not be writing any worthwhile rap songs if you rely on picking one up from the floor unless you specifically go looking for pens in like a school for instance, and I would not call that luck, but "through one's own actions".

As for Eminem, ignoring his own actions in his success is insulting to him and moreso to yourself.
Off course, I won't depend on the floor.
But it's part of it.
There are bigger opportunities than that, anyway.
But I don't mind taking any advantage irrespective of the size.
Every opportunity to progress is important.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

First know that if I had begun this conversation with you, I woud have first asked you to define 'luck', as experience of discussing with you has taught me, so, let me.

Luck is success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

You can indeed pick up pens from a pen factory or seller indeed, but you will definitely not be writing any worthwhile rap songs if you rely on picking one up from the floor unless you specifically go looking for pens in like a school for instance, and I would not call that luck, but "through one's own actions".

As for Eminem, ignoring his own actions in his success is insulting to him and moreso to yourself.
He said he couldn't have gotten anywhere without Dr.Dre.
What else
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 9:28pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

He said he couldn't have gotten anywhere without Dr.Dre.
What else
And I am saying, picking up a pen from the floor will not make you a rap song writer! Eminem would not have been able to take advantage of picking Dr Dre off the floor if he had relied on by chance rather than through his own actions prior to Dr Dre.

Do let me know if we need to list (define) Eminem's efforts (and successes) prior to Dr Dre that contributed to his eventual immense success.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 9:35pm On Jan 14, 2021
HellVictorinho:

At least,they exist in the heads of religious people.

Please know that buda is not discussing with "in the head of religious people" but specifically with the head of HellVictorinho. The reason being that it is buda's opinion that HellVictorinho is more, if not the only expert on the head of HellVictorinho, and much less an expert "in the head of religious people".
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 9:38pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

And I am saying, picking up a pen from the floor will not make you a rap song writer! Eminem would not have been able to take advantage of picking Dr Dre off the floor if he had relied on by chance rather than through his own actions prior to Dr Dre.

Do let me know if we need to list (define) Eminem's efforts (and successes) prior to Dr Dre that contributed to his eventual immense success.

Nah men, lets just wait for 50 million dollars to fall into our laps then we'll be immensely lucky!

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 9:45pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:

And I am saying, picking up a pen from the floor will not make you a rap song writer! Eminem would not have been able to take advantage of picking Dr Dre off the floor if he had relied on by chance rather than through his own actions prior to Dr Dre.

Do let me know if we need to list (define) Eminem's efforts (and successes) prior to Dr Dre that contributed to his eventual immense success.
This post is unnecessary because I never said picking up a pen makes anyone a songwriter.
Also, Eminem should have remembered that he had made efforts before saying bla bla bla.
He said it!!!!!!!!!!
No be me talk am,ooooooo(Like Falz says)!!!
Go and remind him!!!!!!!!
Perhaps,he needs you to be his manager.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jan 14, 2021
LordReed:


Nah men, lets just wait for 50 million dollars to fall into our laps then we'll be immensely lucky!
Have you not heard of illustrations before?
You're disappointing me!!!!
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 9:52pm On Jan 14, 2021
budaatum:


Please know that buda is not discussing with "in the head of religious people" but specifically with the head of HellVictorinho. The reason being that it is buda's opinion that HellVictorinho is more, if not the only expert on the head of HellVictorinho, and much less an expert "in the head of religious people".

You should know that the religions that involve Gods remain baseless to me.
Concerning others, I have heard many saying God is number one to them.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DeusXmachina: 2:17am On Jan 15, 2021
DeusXmachina:

...

Will continue later..

I intended on making an emphasis on this part earlier.
We are not inherently logical creatures, we are driven more by emotion, sentiment, intuition. While our minds are hardwired to create narratives about our ourselves and our reality.
But couldn't provided references and evidence to the extreme examples and cases I had in mind at the time to make my point.
So here they are.

Denial in stroke paralysis patients: There are some partially paralysed stroke patients that seem unable to recognize their condition. At first it seemed like they simply didn't want to acknowledge that they are paralysed because it would be devastating to them, however on a second examination, their inability to acknowledge their paralysis maybe coming from a neurological condition. Something like their brain just can't update the mental image of their body to their current physical reality.
And if you were ask them why they were not moving the paralysed part of their body their response was something like, "I'm not feeling like it", "I'm just resting it" or "this body part is not mine" rather than being upfront about their situation, and if their attention is carefully drawn to their condition they seem to understand it and accept it, and are emotionally devastated by it for a while and they return to their previous state of denial.
The point I'm trying to convey here is that these people are not actually lying about their condition, the theory is rather that they have brain damage, but their mind is still trying to create an explanation/narrative to why they are not moving their paralysed body part.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/science/discovering-that-denial-of-paralysis-is-not-just-a-problem-of-the.html

Another extreme example are epilepsy patients that undergo Corpus Callosotomy (split brain surgery). The nerves connecting the right and left hemisphere of the brain are severed. While this cures the epilepsy, it creates some interesting after effects. Where information isn't properly shared between the two sides of brain. You end up having disconnected actions between sides of the body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCv4K5aStdU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFgtGIL7vEY

For these type of patients, usually after they had some time and they've adapted to their new condition, the left hemisphere which is the speech center (and ego) usually dominates, and creates an explanation for any erratic behavior of their right hemisphere.
So, if say the left hand (which is controlled by the right hemisphere) suddenly moved on it's own and you asked the person why, they'll tell you something like "it was just an itch".

My conclusion and take away here is, the power of the brain to create narratives, even where it doesn't necessarily make sense, and how we may be all under the illusion that we understand ourselves.
(To what extent is who you are individually actually under your voluntary control and not just ticks that your mind explains away? For example why is your favorite type of music your favorite? Anyone can explain extensively what makes their favorite music great, but still doesn't really explain why they are attracted to it.)

Like the argument being had earlier about luck. If you've had a series of fortunate/unfortunate events happen to you in a day, you can't shake the feeling and thought as though the universe/God or something was responsible for it, even if it was just a series of random chances, the thoughts of maybe you are being punished/rewarded, or your just lucky/unlucky pop up into your mind. Like to create a narrative for why these events took place.


Sigh..
I've lost track of how I wanted to relate this back to the origin of religion mid typing, but I should remember it later.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 6:51pm On Jan 15, 2021
HellVictorinho:

You should know that the religions that involve Gods remain baseless to me.
Of course I know. Every single word in quote to yours has had an insistence on that fact with a corrective emphasis. After all, a victor over hell must understand what he seeks victory over.

HellVictorinho:
Concerning others, I have heard many saying God is number one to them.
But we both know that religions that involve Gods remain baseless to you.

Homework

What does the above mean to HellVictorinho?

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 7:56pm On Jan 15, 2021
budaatum:

Of course I know. Every single word in quote to yours has had an insistence on that fact with a corrective emphasis. After all, a victor over hell must understand what he seeks victory over.


But we both know that religions that involve Gods remain baseless to you.

Homework

What does the above mean to HellVictorinho?

That refers to a task that involves addressing a particular topic,given to a student by his or her teacher, to be carried out at home.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 4:10pm On Jan 16, 2021
HellVictorinho:

That refers to a task that involves addressing a particular topic,given to a student by his or her teacher, to be carried out at home.

Lol, Hell. See below the "above" that was referred to as your homework. Do not be lazy please.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12999323_notable02480_jpegda1826e77fb16e79696ac0e246bc3f3e

Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 7:57pm On Jan 16, 2021
budaatum:


Lol, Hell. See below the "above" that was referred to as your homework. Do not be lazy please.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12999323_notable02480_jpegda1826e77fb16e79696ac0e246bc3f3e
Is this a joke?
Who are you to give me a homework?
Is it because I said that religions that involve Gods remain baseless to me?
When I say they are baseless to me,it means I don't think they should exist.
But it seems like you don't mind the celebration of nonsense.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 7:39am On Jan 17, 2021
HellVictorinho:

Is this a joke?
Who are you to give me a homework?
Is it because I said that religions that involve Gods remain baseless to me?
When I say they are baseless to me,it means I don't think they should exist
.
But it seems like you don't mind the celebration of nonsense.

I wonder why you daily fill your mind with religion you insist is baseless and should not exist. You must either have little else to do or think you could think religion out of existence.

buda says, Try harder Hell. You might succeed someday, though I can't but think of Alice.

Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 10:30am On Jan 17, 2021
budaatum:


I wonder why you daily fill your mind with religion you insist is baseless and should not exist. You must either have little else to do or think you could think religion out of existence.

buda says, Try harder Hell. You might succeed someday, though I can't but think of Alice.
I don't fill my mind with religion.
Also,nobody thinks anything out of existence.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 3:10pm On Jan 17, 2021
HellVictorinho:

I don't fill my mind with religion.
Also,nobody thinks anything out of existence.
Your mind is filled with religion and your moniker is filled with religion and you do try to think it out of existence but you can't deexist HellVictorinho.

You are not nobody, Hell. You are celebrated.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 7:57pm On Jan 17, 2021
budaatum:

Your mind is filled with religion and your moniker is filled with religion and you do try to think it out of existence but you can't deexist HellVictorinho.

You are not nobody, Hell. You are celebrated.
You think my mind is filled with religion.
But your thoughts can't determine what I've got in my mind.
Concerning my moniker, I just chose Hell because it has to do with unstoppable fire.
It doesn't mean I actually think about religion.
I stopped thinking about religion a long time ago.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Paramountgift(f): 11:35am On Jan 18, 2021
For you that does not believe in God, Jesus Christ or anything Christianity, always bear in mind that you did not create yourself, and that the body you live in will give away one day. When this happens, your soul will be required of you by your maker. What will you tell God about how you lived your life here on earth?

How would you feel if your creation goes against your will, do you ever stop to think about how God feels whenever you discard His commands and disregard His existence.

...For we are but sojourners here in earth..
The life we live on earth is only a fraction of eternity.

Romans 14:10; ..for we shall all stand before the Judgement Seat Of Christ..

The word escape means to break free from confinement or control. The context of this subject suggests a dangerous situation that needs to be fled from. It also an unpleasant and precarious situation that needs to be separated from.
The Bible is replete with clear warnings to mankind to flee from destruction. In the days preceding Noah, God saw that the afflictions of men were only evil continually and would have destroyed them without notification, bit the righteous and holy God would not do that rather. He decided to inform righteous Noah of his s intentions and used him to prepare the Ark to save his family and preserve all species of animals from the wrath of God and the destruction that was to be unleashed on that generation.
Gen 6:5-7
God eventually destroyed man and all living creatures that remained on earth. This is a salutary lessons to all the humans in this generation to repent of their evil deeds. The rain of Noah's dispensation that destroyed nearly every soul alive then, came suddenly on the people and they could not escape. The people were eating, drinking, marrying, making merriment and doing all sort of things as is being done today until the floods came and destroyed them.
Matt 24:38-39
God also revealed to Abraham of his intentions to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, to enable him intercede for the city. The result was the deliverance of Lot and his family from the great inferno.
Gen 19:17
If God did not spare the generation of No ah and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sins, please note that he will not spare this generation, including sinners, no matter the excuses.
2 pet 2:5-9
Nearly all the adult Israelites that left Egypt by the Lord's mighty hand could not enter the promise Land because of sin and rebellion against God.
Sin in man makes sacrifices abominable and unacceptable to God. Sin in man makes him a willing companion of unquenchable fire of hell. In all dispensations, those who sinned against God without genuine repentance recieved their doses of varying degree of punishment.
Heb 10: 28-29
Jesus died to save man from the unbearable and sore judgement and the accompanying interminable suffering that will be the lot of billions of people. Yet, man has shunned this great work of grace and has chosen to bear the consequences instead.
Dear friends, it must be clearly stated that more than 95% of adults what are dying today end up in hell fire because of one sin or the other.
Be rest assured that if you shun the instruction of the Lord which says, 'strive to enter in at the strait gate', you can never say no to the command of the devil in hell(with great torments and pain), whose interest you serve as an unrepentant sinner on earth.

We must therefore be courageous to cut off those things that lead us to condemnation in hell fire, no matter how dear they may appear to us materially, physically and spiritually. Let no one be deceived, unquenchable fire with worms that can never die, awaits all sinners.
If you do need to wish to face eternal suffering in hell fire, please ensure that you escape from the following; adultery, fornication, worldliness, unforgiving spirit, anger, malice, strife, bitterness, fear, envy, list, pornography, lying tongue, deceit, fraud, extortion, covetousness, pride, wickedness, ungodly dressing such as tight fitting and skimpy dresses, body exposing dresses, perming of the hair, dying of the hair, wearing of attachments and unnatural hair/extensions. In summary, anything that's not your hair, or changes the natural state of your hair.
For validation, check this scriptures: Rom 1:28-32, Gal 5:19-21, Zephaniah 1:8.
Along with this, you must desist from painting the body, nails, toes lips, tattoos, bleaching the skin, wearing extra lashes, etc. For validation, see:
Prov 7:10, Jeremiah 4:30.
No one knows his or her time, if you want to escape the damnation of your soul in hell fire, please ensure you put off all adornments ( earrings, necklaces, Leg/hand chains, Bangles, beads, etc) For validation, see:
Deut 7:25-26, Isaiah 3:18-23, Zeph 1:18, Zeph 1:8
You may want to argue about this, but this is not the time to win any argument. It is a time to wait on the Lord and hear him speak to you.
All those who wrestle scriptures to justify their lustful desires do so to their destruction. The exhaustive list applies to both men and women. Husband's tell your wives and wives do suit.
We must all note that we have a creator, 'God Almighty'. We are not our own, we all have destinies to fulfill on earth in line with God's will. It is not the will of God that any man should perish. If you have doubts, pray earnestly and seek the face of God to reveal to you, and He will.
There is a general new trend of wordiness in the church today. People can wear anything (including sensitive parts exposing clothes), drink anything (including strong drinks), dance to any tune of music, allow choreography, immoral dances and different forms of unholy amusement on the pulpit. Yet, the Ministers of the gospel do not see anything wrong in them.

People tatoo their bodies, get funny and demonic haircuts, women wear trousers and seductive tights and yet the churches as well as their Ministers are very comfortable with them. All that matters is the prosperity of the people and the increased number of excited unrepentant sinners for the gain of the ministers.
Please note that hell fire awaits you if you fall into the above indicated sins, whether as a member or as a minister that allows them in your church.
If you are in a ministry where salvation, sanctification and Holiness if individual members and the entire church is not emphasized, then you are an unprofitable servant already on a dark tunnel to hell fire. Matt 25:30
Fortunately, there is a way out. As long as you are alive, it is never too late to amend your ways.

Escape for your life by leaving that ungodly and antichrist church and look for a place where righteous living, inward and outward purity is emphasized continuously.
If you continue to attend that gathering where you do not need to repent despite your sins, you are willingly sinning against God, and the result is judgement without mercy (hell fire).
Heb 10:36-27

If you really want to escape hell fire, please do the following:
1. Acknowledge that you are a sinner and that you cannot save yourself by yourself (pslm 32:5;51:1-5, Rom 3:23)

2. Identify your sins and confess them to God in repentance asking him to forgive you (Rom 10:9, James 5:16, 1John 1:9)

3. Repent of all your sins asking God for the grace to be holy (Ezek 14:6, Acts 2:38;3:19, Acts 8:22;17:30)

4. Determine not to go back to your sins (Dan 1:8, Phil 3:7-8, Rom 6:1-6)

5. Look for a Bible believing and Holiness preaching Church where biblical truths are preached without compromise (Acts 20:20, 26-27, 31-32, Rev 3:7-10)

6. Seperate from the world and worldliness for your spiritual development (2 Cor 6:14-18: Rev 18:4-5)
Thank you!

Feel free to ruminate over the message consecutively..it will profit your soul. Also share to your friends, family and colleagues. Our lives here in earth are 70- 100 if your strength can take you. But life after death is forever..eternity...

where will you spend yours?
Heaven or hell? No riches here on earth or city can be compared to the beauty of heaven, and no suffering here on earth can be compared to the pain and anguish of hell.
Make your choice now...Jesus or Satan!
It's a two way thing, there's no neutral ground.

I hope and pray that you will make the right choice..
Some years back, I would have spat at anyone that brought this kind of message my way, until I got a personal convinction from Jesus Christ Himself.
I also urge you brethren to pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. There's nothing more valuable than a exclusive walk with God.
Thanks again.

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