BornRicch:

It suite there egos that's why they won't change. They get hurt whenever the name Benin is mentioned because it's like a nightmare to them, a minor tribe constantly debating and debunking their claims. That hurts, man. What's your thoughts about the Edos and Japanese having some words in common?

gregyboy:



See question nor b e papa


Oya na who born d papa wwn born your papa papa papa papa


You tell me

Nonsense you worn claim edo monarch as Yoruba oloshi

J111333:
Do you really think I will believe that Oba Eleko without a crown?

gwafaeziokwu:



Guy, you finished work here. Kudos.

I like the way you help people understand your point. Not by shouting or raising Gorilla dusts in order to confuse everyone for the sake of winning argument.

Unclekayfarms:

Why won't Oranmiyan be a made up story? Is it because doesnt favour your account of the story? Listen, without Oranmiyan(a Yoruba Oba) there will never have been Oba in Igodomigodo kingdom...na Ogiso chief go dey

Christistruth00:


Oba of Benin recently called the Ooni his father it is on YouTube he is not as arrogant as you his subjects

nocomment2:
[s]Look, you lack comprehension and this is not the first time I am telling you this.
The paper doesn't say in any way that the word Curamo is a portuguese word. It says that Benin calls the land Korame and that you can recognise the Curamo from previous portuguese mappings of the land ! indeed the portuguese had been there before and had already noted how the Benin people called the land ! The author of the paper writes the name he hears the Benin people call the land and he recognises the ressemblance with the name he already saw in portuguese mappings of the land !

All this is common sense, but you are incredibly dum.b[/s]

Unclekayfarms:

Didnt Oba of Benin said it in a broadcast that Oranmiyan is recognized as the first Oba of Benin? Go and watch his coronation video.

Go and read the Ogiemien story of Igodomigodo and finally Yoruba's account of Benin history.

nocomment2:

I am a maths teacher, I have the habbit of explain complex things to young people. This is not complicated, these guys are just trying to twist reality.

TAO11:
Whenever you’re about to engage me, always have it in mind that you’re about to face someone with superior intelligence. So, don’t bother with your dumb tricks which you apply with naive folks.

Now to disgracing you on this:

(1) Where does the book say that the Portuguese “Curamo” was based on Benin language?

I guess you pulled that out from your anus as usual.

(2) Where does the book say that the Portuguese met Binis in Lagos?

You also pullled that out from your anus as usual.

(3) Instead, the book makes it clear it is the Benins’ “Korame” which is based on the old Portuguese “Curamo”.

(4) Moreover, the same book makes it clear that, the native name is “Ahoni”, ”Awani”, ”Ahoy”

— obviously in their foreign rendition — but clearly reminiscent of the name of the indigenous people “Awori”.

Lol.

nocomment2:


Once agains, unsubstatntiated, instead of saying there is such a video, why not just show it ?
Stop making scams.
The Oba of Benin never called the oni of ife his father. That will never happen.
the oni of ife is not even a king, he is a priest.

Christistruth00:


Make we hear Word.

Unclekayfarms:

Funny u but the first person to ever be Oba of Benin was a Yoruba man

Christistruth00:

When Oba of Benin called the Ooni of Ife his Father he meant it.

Christistruth00:


Make we hear Word.

With all humility no be your Oba of Benin be this ?

When Oba of Benin called the Ooni of Ife his Father he meant it.

gregyboy:

This is colonial sitting areangement
Pre colonial sitting arrangement Oba of Benin will be first

Christistruth00:


Oba of Benin recently called the Ooni of Ife his father it is on YouTube he is not as arrogant as you his subjects

nocomment2:

You need to stop playing into these childish games.
There is no such thing as precolonial sitting arangements or colonial sitting arrangements.
This is just a photo which prince charles wanted to take with his guests at the british consulate. It doesn't mean anything. Prince charles is not God, nor is his photographer nor is whomever made the sitting display (for the photo)

gregyboy:

Lol, our oba probably doing it for media attention

TAO11:
I am coming for the Benin lying machines soon. A little busy for now.

All their lies will be busted as always, and I will copy every single soul that has posted a comment on this thread.

I love to give negative popularity to Benin liars. Let them keep the lies rolling in the meantime before my return.

It gives me joy when I expose and disgrace Benin liars.

@nocomment2, do not deactivate your account before my return.

Good one @christistruth00 for continuing to shut down the Benin lying machines.

Evil thrives when good people like you keep quiet.

nocomment2:
Once again the translation in full:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

TAO11:
Lol. You had to chip this comment in after I had replied ??

You’re trying to give off the false impression that I couldn’t debunk you.

Well, I have debunked this before, and I will do it again. Thanks for the opportunity.

Here goes the bit-by-bit commentary on the actual translation — from the last line of the page 25 to page 26:

Translation:
“Captain Horsely referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”

Comment:
(1)(a) The pronoun “it” here (in the context of this book) does not refer to present day Lagos state.

(1)(b) Rather, it refers to one of the many islands known today as Lagos Island.

(2) The name “Eko” for this island was coined by the Ijebus — and not by the Binis.

Translation:
“••• by the Ijebus, but it is not their domain, it is the Benins’ who refer to it by the name Korame“

Comment:
(1) This relates to the fact that although the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus, the Binis have been on that specific location before them.

This statement here says absolutely nothing about your false notion that the Binis are the autochthonous owners of the island (or any part of Lagos).

In fact, this same book already debunks this idea on page 25 where it clearly indicates that, the autochthonous ownership of the island [and beyond] belongs to the Aworis — not the Binis, nor the Ijebus.

In sum then, this statement here (rather than speaking of autochthonous ownership) simply speaks of the relative right of the Ijebus or the Benin’s to the specific land which the Ijebus later came to name and occupy.

The autochthonous ownership of all the land (according to this same book on page 25 and 26) has absolutely nothing to do with the Binis.

Translation:
“•••the Benins’ who refer to it by the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the old Portuguese’s accounts, just as Eko represents the Dutch hydrographers’ Ichoo.

Korame and its mainland were linked, in the past, by a sandspit between the great lagoon and the sea. The Ijebus have, however, for a long time seized that sandspit which has also been infiltrated by Ijaw pirates in the East.

Korame thus remained isolated at the end of the great lagoon, and continued to be dependent on Benin for its choice of governor or political leader.”

Comment:
(1) The Binis call the island “Korame” based on the old Portuguese word “Curamo” — not the other way round.

(2) The Ijebus who had coined the word ”Eko” for the island also did that (according to this book) based on the old Dutch word “Ichoo”.

(3) [Trade] activities in Lagos appears to attract more people than Ijebu and Benin immigrants. The Ijaws are also noted to have fallen in.

(4) It is noteworthy that the leadership mentioned here [“governor or political leader”] was for the Binis by the Binis among the Binis in the part of the island left to them.

The was witnessed by a German trader by the name Ulsheimer who visited the settlement left to the Bini immigrants in the year 1603.

He noted that their settlement was on the island [Lagos island], that it was fenced, that they ran their own affairs within the walls of their settlement, and that their are other bigger settlements on the island.

In other words, their dependence on their King (back in Benin) for their choice of leader for their Bini settlement
is not to be confused as some sort of King of Lagos.

No, the author of this French book chose his words carefully — he wrote “governor or political leader”. There are French words for “King” or “Monarch” if he intended that.

Moreover, the monarch of Lagos island hadn’t begun at the this time. The Lagos island monarchy didn’t begin until at the end of the 1600s.


It is super easy to refute your dumb lies.

Cheers.

Cc:

Christistruth00:



Ijebu are not dragging Lagos,(Island) with Awori,
Ilaje are not dragging Lagos with Awori,
Egba that defeated Awori in the Ota War of 1842 are not dragging Lagos with Awori,
Egbado are not dragging ,
Egun are not dragging Lagos with
Awori

Is it the Benin from hundreds of Kilometres away that want to be dragging Lagos?

They should Look at the Map well

Where is Benin and Where is Lagos?

Is Ile Ife dragging Benin with Edo's?

Christistruth00:



Ijebu are not dragging Lagos,(Island) with Awori,
Ilaje are not dragging Lagos with Awori,
Egba that defeated Awori in the Ota War of 1842 are not dragging Lagos with Awori,
Egbado are not dragging ,
Egun are not dragging Lagos with
Awori

Is it the Benin from hundreds of Kilometres away that want to be dragging Lagos?

They should Look at the Map well

Where is Benin and Where is Lagos?

Is Ile Ife dragging Benin with Edo's?

nocomment2:
Some other precolonial map of the empire

nocomment2:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996622_oniofifepriest_jpega627ad8152e5189591312779b1eea23a

The image you attached here traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where our OP has simply lifted word-for-word and image-for-image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

Guess what, this poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni, much less substantiate the authenticity of their uncorroborated and sourceless footnote which they’ve edited into the anonymous picture. It was a clear case of propaganda gone wrong.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up his mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood. Neither could he dare say a word in defense of his apparent mischievous editing as there is no other source for such (apparently false) information.

In fact to be emphatic, there is not a single past Ooni of Ife (from Yorubaland’s photography era) who has ever adorned the circular-style beaded-necklace as shown in the OP’s image.

This singular fact alone instantly debunks our OP’s image (and its accompanying footnote) as a work of dubious and fraudulent propaganda. Lol!

The Ooni of Ife was always and remains the head of all Yoruba kings as I have demonstrated with evidence in my above comment which precedes this one.