TAO11:
What kind of King gets banished from Benin into Calabar Forest by the foot soldiers of another King??

Only a native doctor by the title Omonoba n’Edo.

nocomment2:

No, Benin was founded by Benin. And Benin was written about in the 1400's.
Yoruba came to being in the 17th century and it was an other name for oyo.
It is weird that you can't understand your elders claim Benin was founded by yoruba in order to boost their egos. Most yorubas descend from slaves and that hurts you people's egos too much.

NGpatriot:


Oranmiyan actually landed in 1170AD in the 12th century.

Abeg go and read your history books.

nocomment2:

you are not even a toddler, you are a baby. Oranmiyan is a cartoon character made for children, not for adults, he never existed.
https://www.youtube.com/wacaYE

nocomment2:

Napoleon Bonaparte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o26XHeCBpBM
When true Kings fight wars, one of them gets killed or sent into exile.
When fake kings (priests like oni ifa) turn themselves into slaves for foreign kings, they get knighted and made governors.

nocomment2:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996622_oniofifepriest_jpega627ad8152e5189591312779b1eea23a

The image you attached here traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where our OP has simply lifted word-for-word and image-for-image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

Guess what, this poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni, much less substantiate the authenticity of their uncorroborated and sourceless footnote which they’ve edited into the anonymous picture. It was a clear case of propaganda gone wrong.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up his mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood. Neither could he dare say a word in defense of his apparent mischievous editing as there is no other source for such (apparently false) information.

In fact to be emphatic, there is not a single past Ooni of Ife (from Yorubaland’s photography era) who has ever adorned the circular-style beaded-necklace as shown in the OP’s image.

This singular fact alone instantly debunks our OP’s image (and its accompanying footnote) as a work of dubious and fraudulent propaganda. Lol!

The Ooni of Ife was always and remains the head of all Yoruba kings as I have demonstrated with evidence in my above comment which precedes this one.

nocomment2:
At this point, I have proven all my points. The fanatical revisionists will keeo denying reality and getting deaper into their madness. I will not join them into madness.

What kind of a king gets knighted by an other king ?

Answer: a fake king.

Thanks for helping me prove my point that oni ofe ife was a sell out to the british.

[s]Also notice that nowhere in your document is the oni called Oba, nor is he even called king. The article which once again you did not provide in full clearly shows the oni as a politician who had the favors of the british. As I have always stated, the oni was elevated by the british whom he served well, while true African kings were degraded.
Notice how the oni is nt referred to as the leader of the yoruba but actually as one among many ruling yoruba chiefs in the western region.[/s]

nocomment2:
[s]look yoruba revisionist if you want to lie, at least make it a smart lie, I feel insulted when I have to correct such an obvious lie. I notice once again that you quote a document which you do not provide in full, therefor you don't allow me or anybody here to cross examine it because it is emost likely a revisionist document written by a revisionist making claims which suit your ego.

Reality check, ibadan was a village: proof

List of he rulers of ibadan: (notice they used to be called ba'ale until 1929) when they started calling them olubadan and it is only in 1955 that they started calling them Oba). A village doesn't raid an empire nor does it threaten an empire.

Ba’ale Maye Okunade (1820-1830)
Ba’ale Oluyedun
Ba’ale Lakanle
Bashorun Oluyole 1850
Ba’ale Oderinlo 1850
Ba’ale Oyeshile Olugbode 1851-1864
Ba’ale Ibikunle 1864
Bashorun Ogunmola 1865-1867
Ba’ale Akere I 1867-1870
Ba’ale Orowusi 1870-1871
Are Ona Kakanfo Obadoke Latosa 1871-1885
Ba’ale Ajayi Osungbekun 1885-1893
Ba’ale Fijabi I 1893-1895
Ba’ale Oshuntoki 1895-1897
Ba’ale Fajinmi 1897-1902
Ba’ale Mosaderin 1902-1904
Ba’ale Dada Opadare 1904-1907
Ba’ale Sunmonu Apampa 1907-1910
Ba’ale Akintayo Awanibaku Elenpe 1910-1912
Ba’ale Irefin 1912-1914
Ba’ale Shittu Latosa (son of Are Latosa) 1914-1925
Ba’ale Oyewole Foko 1925-1929
Olubadan Okunola Abass 1930-1946
Olubadan Akere I 1946
Olubadan Oyetunde I 1946
Olubadan Akintunde Bioku 1947-1948
Olubadan Fijabi II 1948-1952
Olubadan Alli Iwo 1952
Olubadan Apete 1952-1955
Oba Isaac Babalola Akinyele 1955-1964
Oba Yesufu Kobiowu July 1964 - December 1964
Oba Salawu Akanni Aminu 1965-1971
Oba Shittu Akintola Oyetunde II 1971-1976
Oba Gbadamosi Akanbi Adebimpe 1976-1977
Oba Daniel ‘Tayo Akinbiyi 1977-1982
Oba Yesufu Oloyede Asanike I 1982-1994
Oba Emmanuel Adegboyega Operinde I (1994-1999)
Oba Yunusa Ogundipe Arapasowu I (1999-2007)
Oba Samuel Odulana Odugade I (2007-2016)[/s]

TAO11:


First of all — SOURCE ??

nocomment2:
[s]By the way, where are the proceedings. You should know one thing about me, I love history. I can't be shamed by history, anything which is proven I just take it and go with it. What i hate however are fake history which is what you keep peddling. You keep quoting documents which you don't care to provide because they are either fake documents either you don't want me to cross examine them. You are a scam artist.[/s]

nocomment2:
[s]To any neutral and intelligent person out there: this person tao is quoting a paper and he refuses to provide the paper in the form of a link.
How do I know he didn't just write the paper ?
How do I cross examine the paper to know if it were not a revisionist work ?
So I should just believe him ? Is this how debates work ?
This is just crazyness.
The only thing I can do is to ignore the paper until the revisionist is ready to actually provide the full document so that I can cross examine it.[/s]

nocomment2:

Ha, so you are asking for source ? You !
You who refuses to provide the documents which you keep supposedly quoting ?
Is your head correct ?

TAO11:


Secondly — Your sourceless list only goes to prove that Ibadan was founded to be a subservient territory to the Great Eyo Empire.

Until it grew large and strong to attain the status of a Kingdom.

TAO11:
Two different things.

Provide you the book or provide you the source (aka reference) which one? LMAO!

nocomment2:

Napoleon Bonaparte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o26XHeCBpBM
When true Kings fight wars, one of them gets killed or sent into exile.
When fake kings (priests like oni ifa) turn themselves into slaves for foreign kings, they get knighted and made governors.

nocomment2:

So ibadan "grew strong to attain the status of a Kingdom" in 1955 while the region was deep into british rule and indeendence was very near ?
You are so dumb, it is not possible to invent anything as dumb as you.

TAO11:
Lol. You had to chip this comment in after I had replied ??

You’re trying too hard to give off the false impression that I couldn’t debunk you.

Well, I have debunked this before, and I will do it again. Thanks for the opportunity.
—————————

Here goes the bit-by-bit comments after every bit of the actual translation of the French book, starting from the last line of the page 25:

Translation:
“Captain Horsely referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”

Comment:
(1)(a) The pronoun “it” here (in the context of this book) obviously does not refer to the modern geographical delineation of present-day Lagos State.

(1)(b) Rather, ”it” here refers to one of the many islands of Lagos — specifically that which is known today as Lagos Island.

(2) The name “Eko” for this island was coined by the Ijebus — and not by the Binis.

Translation:
“••• by the Ijebus, but it is not their domain, it is the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame •••“

Comment:
(1) This shows that although the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus; the Binis have been on that specific location before them.

This statement here says absolutely nothing about your false notion that the Binis are the autochthonous owners of the island (or any part of Lagos).

(2) In fact, this same book already debunks such idea on page 25 where it clearly indicates that, the autochthonous ownership of the island [and beyond] belongs to the Aworis — not the Binis, nor the Ijebus.

(3) In sum then, this statement here (rather than speaking of autochthonous ownership) simply speaks of the relative right of the Ijebus or the Benin’s to the specific land which the Ijebus later came to name and occupy.

(4) The autochthonous ownership of all the land (according to this same book on page 25 and 26) has absolutely nothing to do with the Binis.

Translation:
“••• the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the old Portuguese’s accounts, just as Eko represents the Dutch hydrographers’ Ichoo.

Korame and its mainland were linked, in the past, by a sandspit between the great lagoon and the sea. The Ijebus have, however, for a long time seized that sandspit which has also been infiltrated by Ijaw pirates in the East.

Korame thus remained isolated at the end of the great lagoon, and continued to be dependent on Benin for its choice of governor or political leader.”

Comment:
(1) The Binis call the island “Korame” based on the old Portuguese word “Curamo” — not the other way round.

(2) The Ijebus who had coined the word ”Eko” for the island also did that (according to this book) based on the old Dutch word “Ichoo”.

(3) [Trade] activities in Lagos appears to attract more people than Ijebu and Benin immigrants. The Ijaws are also noted to have fallen in.

(4) It is noteworthy that the political leadership alluded to here [“governor or political leader”] was for the Binis, by the Binis, among the Binis, confined the part of the island left for the Binis.

The fact was witnessed by a German trader by the name Adreas J. Ulsheimer who in the year 1603 visited the settlement left for the Bini immigrants.

He noted that their settlement was on an island [Lagos island]; that it was fenced; that they ran their own affairs within the walls of their settlement, and that there were other bigger settlements on the island.

In other words, their dependence on their King (back in Benin) for the choice of their leader for their Bini must
not be confused with some idea of a King of Lagos.

No, the author of this French book chose his words carefully. He wrote “governor or political leader”. There are French words for “King” or “Monarch” if he had intended that.

Moreover, the kingship of Lagos island hadn’t yet begun as at this period. The Lagos island kingship didn’t begin until at the end of the 1600s/early 1700s.


It is always super easy to refute your dumb lies.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996573_16a428fd9d6444b2ad7219a9a44781d3_jpeg_jpega1f09ebdcbab0dd0aebe0dcc2167f806

Cheers.

BornRicch:
[s]Why can't you make an argument instead of reposting your copy paste? Aren't you aware some people login Nairaland to read posts and comments? Yoruba people nah wa for una. I don't think I've quoted you before, but I'll take it upon myself to expose who you truly are on this forum. I pray you don't have a social media account because I will hack into your device.[/s]

nocomment2:

I will happilly provide whatever source you want as soon as you provide the documents which you claim to quote.

TAO11:
Lol. Stop being moronically vague. LMAO!

What do you mean by “provide the documents” ??

(1) Do you mean I should always provide detailed references to the materials I allude to ?? — which I almost always do.

nocomment2:
Napoleon Bonaparte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o26XHeCBpBM
When true Kings fight wars, one of them gets killed or sent into exile.
When fake kings (priests like oni ifa) turn themselves into slaves for foreign kings, they get knighted and made governors.

Yebosola:



Nothing serious, he is talking about Lagos island ONLY, not Lagos as a whole, get your facts right.

nocomment2:
Thanks for confirming how dumb you are

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996925_screenshot20210116lagosbelongstobeninobanikorosgrandsondeclarespolitics10nigeria_png505a97fb46bd8692b8fd6d327e8a9a10

nocomment2:
"pirates ouyos" stands for "ijaw pirates", not oyo pirates.

nocomment2:
[s]Your references are fake unless you provide proof they are not.

Provide the documents otherwise you are just a scammer with fake references which do not have anything to do with what you claim to quote.
You need to prove your references are true, i shouldn't have to believe your word and I should be able to cross examine whatever you claim to quote.
You are just a scammer, and I know why you are doing this.

I know you are just a person completely ignorant of the most basic things about history or even reality, you believe google will always save you from your ignaorance and lack of education. Many times in the passed before you started hiding whatever you claim to quote, we were always quick to cross examine the documents you got through google search and we always were able to shame you and show just how ignorant you are.
That is why you decided to either make fake documents or hide whatever you quote.[/s]