jln115:
when did I say Whites invented guns? Stop making up imaginary arguments.

However the guns were imported mostly from the West.... Even before colonization... That's the point

Again go back and follow the discussion from the beginning before spewing your ignorance

Actually they were imported from the Ottoman Empire, there was a trans Saharan trade business and they had proper trade routes where they traded gold, bronze, copper, iron etc, with each other Nigerian iron was found to be used in Malian artefacts. Kanem borno traded their guns with the southern empires of west Africa.

Abohboy:


Actually they were imported from the Ottoman Empire, there was a trans Saharan trade business and they had proper trade routes where they traded gold, bronze, copper, iron etc, with each other Nigerian iron was found to be used in Malian artefacts. Kanem borno traded their guns with the southern empires of west Africa.

and?.... The guns still came from the West

Abohboy:


No they weren’t the Romans were misogynistic they may have had better infrastructure but no they were not fair and equal in society and they still had very crude forms of torture, execution, murder, Robbery etc. Then any African society did also the Roman Empire had some of its greatest cities in Africa like Carthage so what are you talking about.

I'm giving you this one chance to retract the bolded statement before I destroy it

Abohboy:


They did have a piped system you never said anything about modern before, and have you never heard of interlocked brick roads

proof?

Abohboy:


When did I shit to Nigeria or Lagos you talked about a southern Nigeria slave trade and I said if there was one it would only operate in Lagos and Calabar I was being specific learn how to read

I only talked about the Southern Nigerian slave trade because you shifted tge goal posts from Africa to West Africa then to Nigeria

Justnotyou:


For what matter, ignorance? Aren't you boldly claiming Africa didn't have any modern amenities here.



& now you're retracing your stance.



Catch me on, didn't you also write this? So what are we even debating on if you keep on pulling a Peter, disown-ing your wild claims with each reply to me?

Brought is not the same as invented...... Do you even English bro?

jln115:
and?.... The guns still came from the West

No they came from Asia where they were made, when the Portuguese came in the 1600s they were ere surprised to see they had guns and we now know today that they got it from trade with the kanem borno empire which traded with the Ottoman Empire which is from the east.

jln115:
I'm giving you this one chance to retract the bolded statement before I destroy it

I’m not retracting shit

jln115:
proof?

Give me a few hours

jln115:
I only talked about the Southern Nigerian slave trade because you shifted tge goal posts from Africa to West Africa then to Nigeria

But there was no southern Nigerian slave trade, there is a difference between selling slaves and getting laves through war isn’t there, there was no pre European slave trade in west Africa or Nigeria and most likely Africa as a whole

Jln115 this is what I meant although it isn’t technically piped it was way more advanced then the British, Portuguese, French empires at the time. It was the first kingdom to have metal street lamps, one of the first kingdoms to have water sent to eferything single house, long straight roads, very peaceful and there was barely any robbery, great walls. Shall I go on and this is just one example.


We were rich, we were organized, we had beautiful cities and we were peaceful most of all but you refuse to acknowledge this

Abohboy:
Jln115 this is what I meant although it isn’t technically piped it was way more advanced then the British, Portuguese, French empires at the time. It was the first kingdom to have metal street lamps, one of the first kingdoms to have water sent to eferything single house, long straight roads, very peaceful and there was barely any robbery, great walls. Shall I go on and this is just one example.


We were rich, we were organized, we had beautiful cities and we were peaceful most of all but you refuse to acknowledge this

Dude you keep bringing up 1 city..........which FYI also traded slaves and made human sacrifices ............I can also cherry pick great European civilisations of the same time period.

Also Kimberly in South Africa was the first town in Africa and the first in the Southern Hemisphere to have street lights

jln115:
Dude you keep bringing up 1 city..........which FYI also traded slaves and made human sacrifices ............I can also cherry pick great European civilisations of the same time period.

Also Kimberly in South Africa was the first town in Africa and the first in the Southern Hemisphere to have street lights

No it didn’t it was weakened due to the slave trade and they didn’t practice human sacrifice that’s just another piece of British propaganda used to make the Africans look barbaric and uncivilised

Also Kimberly isn’t even close to as old so Benin city. Benin city had street lights back in the 1500s - 1600s. so what your saying about Kimberly is false Benin city was the first one in Africa and Europe to have these metal street lamps. They put up metal poles with hooks. Then they attached a metal working which could be filled with palm oil and they set it on fire and that would light up the streets no concept was present in Europe u til the 1800s in Paris.

Abohboy:


But there was no southern Nigerian slave trade, there is a difference between selling slaves and getting laves through war isn’t there, there was no pre European slave trade in west Africa or Nigeria and most likely Africa as a whole

There was a Southern Nigerian slave trade..........I even gave you a reputable source that proves this.

Also you obviously haven't heard of the Berber slave traders or Barbary slave trade, trans-Saharan slave trade ect ect ect

Also: "Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa. Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa in ancient times, as they were in much of the rest of the ancient world."

Also: "Slavery in historical Africa was practised in many different forms: Debt slavery, enslavement of war captives, military slavery, slavery for prostitution, and criminal slavery were all practised in various parts of Africa."

Also: "Plantation slavery also occurred, primarily on the eastern coast of Africa and in parts of West Africa"

Abohboy:



No it didn’t it was weakened due to the slave trade and they didn’t practice human sacrifice that’s just another piece of British propaganda used to make the Africans look barbaric and uncivilised

Also Kimberly isn’t even close to as old so Benin city. Benin city had street lights back in the 1500s - 1600s. so what your saying about Kimberly is false Benin city was the first one in Africa and Europe to have these metal street lamps. They put up metal poles with hooks. Then they attached a metal working which could be filled with palm oil and they set it on fire and that would light up the streets no concept was present in Europe u til the 1800s in Paris.

- Human sacrifice in Benin is a proven historical fact..........your opinion doesn't change this. And yes Benin did trade in slaves.........Do you want a citation for this?

- "Kimberley was the first town in South Africa to have electric street lights and quite possibly the first in the southern hemisphere."

Abohboy:


Give me a few hours

Does it take you a few hours just to google?

jln115:
There was a Southern Nigerian slave trade..........I even gave you a reputable source that proves this.

Also you obviously haven't heard of the Berber slave traders or Barbary slave trade, trans-Saharan slave trade ect ect ect

Also: "Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa. Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa in ancient times, as they were in much of the rest of the ancient world."

Also: "Slavery in historical Africa was practised in many different forms: Debt slavery, enslavement of war captives, military slavery, slavery for prostitution, and criminal slavery were all practised in various parts of Africa."

Also: "Plantation slavery also occurred, primarily on the eastern coast of Africa and in parts of West Africa"

Number one where’s your source and number two that still isn’t a slave trade they’re not buying the slaves like they did in America or Europe. They are being captured and you still haven’t proved that it was done in bini empire, Oyo empire, nri empire, Asante empire, Akan empire, limba empire, Wolof empire it was done in the Mali empire because those were influence by Islam. The point of this whole argument is that African belief systems and African morals never followed or allowed things like slave trades, robbery, murder etc. Which has been consistently proven because all the examples you’ve given are from arabic influenced parts of Africa. You can even go back the point was Christianity and Islam corrupted Africans and made us more criminality inclined, increased poverty, increased murder etc. East Africa was primarily muslim, so was the sahara so your simply proven my point day by day.

Abohboy:


No they came from Asia where they were made, when the Portuguese came in the 1600s they were ere surprised to see they had guns and we now know today that they got it from trade with the kanem borno empire which traded with the Ottoman Empire which is from the east.

Most of the rifles imported were from Europe bru

When the Europeans were still pooing in their rivers and drinking bathing etc, in them and still pumping dirty water from the same rivers they pooed in the west Africans had provided welled waters to all communities, they had great cities, there was no poverty, they had money, there was no crime there were no doors. They had long straight paved roads made with clay and stone bricks. We were way more developed then the Europeans.

jln115:
Most of the rifles imported were from Europe bru

If you say so. That ain’t the point tho

jln115:

- Human sacrifice in Benin is a proven historical fact..........your opinion doesn't change this. And yes Benin did trade in slaves.........Do you want a citation for this?

- "Kimberley was the first town in South Africa to have electric street lights and quite possibly the first in the southern hemisphere."

But it wasn’t the first to have street lights and I don’t believe in those British claims

Abohboy:


Most Africans had cities. There were empires rich in gold with massive trading ports, markets, gold mines etc, ever heard of mansa musa his son shield to the americas. Africa got to the americas before Columbus so which west brought development. The fact that you believe Christianity saved us is funny. So what if voodoo is their religion is is your problem. Christianity is the same religion that allows slavery but that’s okay to you.


Also if this god is all loving why would he allow us over 400 million people to worship “satan” and by the way there is no satan ina fir an spirituality and there is no hell either so go and learn. My age doesn’t matter but it’s very clear thst you don’t know anything about history. Go and read about the history of the Middle Eastern religions


Started in Egypt, then the Greek adopted some Egyptian gods under different names. Go and learn about the image of serapis and see who your Christ really was, stfu and go and read about chancellor Williams how europe underdeveloped Africa and cheikh anta diop precolonial black Africa. After reading those come back to me

I'm not a hater! You've spoken SENSE and like a sensible man you must enjoy this STRICTLY with other SENSIBLE men.

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jln115:
Omg you are ignorant go do some research mate!! The berber traders didn't take people that volunteered to be slaves.... They actually took people against their will and sold them..... The example you are talking of was just for the Igbo people and even then people didn't volunteer to be slaves!!

And are Berbers black.

jln115:

Dude don't put words in my mouth dickhead.... I never said colonisers gave these things for free, neither did I say colonisers were some great liberators of Africa......all I'm stating is the actual historical fact that the majority of modern amenities were brought to Africa from the West

Go back and read my previous posts before spewing your ignorance

U care to list this amenities?

jln115:
we were arguing the entire Africa, then you shifted the goal posts to West Africa.... Then you shifted to Nigeria..... And shifted again to lagos

U are grasping at straw now. A sign of desperation.

jln115:

That would be guns and cannons my friend

Does Nigeria have tarred roads?

It's because white Americans are the colonisers or at least the direct descendants of colonisers

We had paved road. Go read about Benin kingdom properly.

68816419:

And from the circled pic, u could see how large just one of your slum is to your so called CBDs , all your CBDs could fit in Kibera slums, not to mention others.Nigga, Nairobi is 90% slums, I could prove it if u want me?

Pls prove it bro prove it

jln115:
when did I say Whites invented guns? Stop making up imaginary arguments.

However the guns were imported mostly from the West.... Even before colonization... That's the point

Again go back and follow the discussion from the beginning before spewing your ignorance

U are playing semantics. Ride on

68816419:

I could show u other views , I am not kidding, Nairobi is highly overrated, every Development must be in Westland, CBD, tiny parts of kiliman and upper Hill ,and you could tour all these so called CBDs in less than. 10 munites max.

Pls show me