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Tcwork:
Not only Adam we all are all made afterm Jehovah but Adam lacked the knowledge of right and wrong.
That's what the bible says

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to be liberal here, just ask each commentator to state his/her PERSONAL opinion on the topic, forget about JWs because no matter where you find us JWs answer will always remain "NO" to your question.
So leave achorladey because he has nothing to contribute apart from instigating other commentators against JWs!

Tcwork:
Again Adam could not have sinned. He lacked knowledge of Good and evil.
Just like babies can't sin because they lack knowledge of right and wrong

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you are forgetting, let me remind you that your friend clearly stated "MaxInDHouse has been MOST decent"
So it's time you tell him the truth because i never had issues with you before you started following up with my comments on every thread.
The proof is all over this religious section, you're the one who always monitor JWs about in all threads as if you've got nothing to contribute in any of the topics apart from arguing with JWs!

Tcwork:
Not only Adam we all are all made afterm Jehovah but Adam lacked the knowledge of right and wrong. That's what the bible says.
You said he wasn't stupid... I guess not but like every child he did not know he was naked. There was so much more he did not know until he ate the fruit.
It was the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. Planted by God himself in the midst of the garden.
Without knowing good from evil you cannot sin
Deuteronomy 1:39
And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one single difference between Adam and Jesus, one was created as a spirit being while the other was made to live in flesh both of them are God's perfect sons! Matthew 17:5; Luke 3:38
Jes8us said "of all those born by women, there is none greater than John (the baptist)" {Matthew 11:11} because imperfection began outside the garden of Eden, according to Jesus Adam was the greatest man who ever walked this earth because God made him directly he was not born by any woman he weighed the same as Jesus before God! {1Corinthians 15:45} that's why only Jesus (another perfect human) can redeem mankind from the curse the first perfect man brought upon innocent mankind! Romans 5:12

MaxInDHouse:
The language JEHOVAH, Adam, Eve and Satan spoke in the garden of Eden was Spiritual Sir, so don't take it literal otherwise you will mix up everything.

What Adam meant by

"we are naked" is

"we need privacy/independent"

That's why Jehovah asked his angels to drive them out from his garden after all he is prepared to give them the whole earth {Psalms 115:16} but they must leave his presence if they truly want to be independent of him. That's why you can see anywhere God spoke or had a dealing with Adam and Eve till they expired!

Tcwork:
Yet he did not know good or evil until he ate the fruit.
Genesis 3.22
Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.+ Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life+ and eat and live forever,

MaxInDHouse:
Spiritual language my friend!

It simply means

Adam wants absolute freedom (in the flesh) but don't allow him to remain in my presence where life sustaining info is because that's what they needed to continue living {Matthew 4:4} i'm ready to disengage him
So it's the words from JEHOVAH'S month that they're not getting again that made them began deteriorating gradually until they expired!
Had it been they were still in his presence they would have lived till today!
Whenever you read about the water flowing from God {Revelations 22:1:17} it connotes timely information that perfect humans need to live forever! John 4:14

So calm down and learn from us, we are not arrogant neither are we better than you but we are connected with the only source of spiritual nourishment today the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Tcwork:
So you mean they actually knew good from evil but the bible was trying to be spiritual by saying the opposite,?

And again I can't depend of your private interpretation of Adams unclothedness.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend it is all spiritual language!
The good and evil means God's sovereignty, only God can make rules for humans, the rulership of mankind doesn't belong to us but to our Creator! Jeremiah 10:23
So knowledge of good and evil connotes the right to set standards and only JEHOVAH can do that perfectly, mankind has been on this issue for thousands of years trying all forms of government all to no avail, the present system the world is propagating now is DEMOCRACY, it's still about how to set standards within ourselves whereas only God can do that!

You and i agreed that killing is evil but how are we going to end it? You're saying until Jesus announce it whereas JEHOVAH has passed the message through his son (Jesus) Jesus has passed the message through the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and so far so good people from all nations have agreed to live by it.

Yet you don't want to agree even when you know it's perfectly OK if all of us agree!




It's just a demand for privacy/Independence, only JWs can expatiate to help you with that, if you go out there they will just continue to twist the account here and there, nothing tangible will come out from Churches of Christendom on the topic!

Tcwork:
Any body can claim anything using [b] 'Spiritual Language' [/b]as an excuse. We all can claim to have PhD in spiritual language.

Tcwork:
A deeper life could claim that they have the right interpretation, a redeem could say the same. I don't accept private interpretation.
I prefer to follow the bibles interpretation.
If you had a verse or 2 that express your position, that would have been something else but you have no verse that says that God meant something else when he spoke of good and evil.
Yet you insist on creating new meaning for a simple verse, why?

MaxInDHouse:
If you find any other interpretation that's working out something tangible please! please!! please!!! don't forget to inform me, but for now i completely agree with the interpretation that's WORKING! James 2:18-26

My friend, the Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, no matter how you read it the understanding has been given to a group {Daniel 12:10} all those who oppose that group are on their own! Matthew 24:45

MaxInDHouse:
If you find any other interpretation that's working out something tangible please! please!! please!!! don't forget to inform me, but for now i completely agree with the interpretation that's WORKING! James 2:18-26

My friend, the Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, no matter how you read it the understanding has been given to a group {Daniel 12:10} all those who oppose that group are on their own! Matthew 24:45

Tcwork:

Oga James 2.18-26 does not reflect anything you have said unless you want to make another spiritual translation.
James 2.18-26
Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?+ 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called Jehovah’s* friend.+
24 You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.

I copied the whole thing for all to read. Let's find the verse that says Adam knew good from evil before eating the fruit.
You shouldn't just be giving me bible assignment when you know it's not important to our discussion. Not fair.

Tcwork:
Oga James 2.18-26 does not reflect anything you have said unless you want to make another spiritual translation.
James 2.18-26
Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?+ 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called Jehovah’s* friend.+
24 You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.

I copied the whole thing for all to read. Let's find the verse that says Adam knew good from evil before eating the fruit.
You shouldn't just be giving me bible assignment when you know it's not important to our discussion. Not fair.

DappaD:
Okay so if Adam did not know good from bad, then he did not actually sin and God is to blame abi? If he did not sin, why is blame heaped on his head that he brought sin and death into the world as a trespasser? Romans 5:12,17-19
That means God is to blame for everything and it would also mean that you’re siding with Adam? Genesis 3:12

Tcwork:
If the bible belongs to you then explaining it clearly shouldn't be a problem for you.
Talk is cheap, anyone can claim anything.
When you say stuff like the the bible belongs to Jw, it means no one has the right to ask questions we should just accept anything you give to us.
Christianity crossed that stage years ago with the coming of the reformers. You now want to take us back after so much progress has been made.

MaxInDHouse:
James 2:18-26

Says if you can't find any fine WORKS in the faith you profess, then know that your faith is DEAD!

I showed you an interpretation of what the Bible is saying, you're agitating that you've never heard it before, the ones you've been hearing ever since you were born can you point to its positive as in unique effect on those adhering to it?

Now read James 2:18-26 again!

MaxInDHouse:
Even our Ògá pátápátá (Jesus Christ) God's word didn't just say the scriptures belongs to him but that "Jesus is the WORD of God" {John 1:1} upon all his wahala and explanations how many of his contemporaries agreed that his explanations was clear and understanding? John 6:64-66, 10:19-20

So we are not surprised, if the word of God himself can only get few that will understand his utterances, how much more we that we're just his messengers? John 15:20

As long as we're able to reach all lands and fish out disciples for our Ògá, the rest is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

MaxInDHouse:

Tcwork:
Oga abeg are you still talking about Adam here?

Tcwork:
Every church is fishing their disciples. That isn't the topic for today.

Tcwork:
Its not my position. To question God's intentions. I follow his words. You do the questioning

MaxInDHouse:
We are his Witnesses!

So we must question him before we can go and DEFEND his WORD with efficacy before people {Exodus 3:11-14} because if we failed to defend his word efficiently then it will just be as if anything anybody say should be taken and there should be NO QUESTION whether it's WORKING or not, that's an insult on our heavenly father.
So we must be fully competent and completely equipped to defend his word before those who are already looking for the TRUTH. 2Timothy 3:16-17
But when we discover that you're already contented with the contradictions on ground, we go WAKA PASS {Matthew 10:13} our Ògá pátápátá sent us out in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel (those who feels like knowing the one and only pure worship) Matthew 10:6

MaxInDHouse:
Let them come out to present themselves!

We are the light of the world, a city built on the mountain top can never be hidden! Matthew 5:13-16

Tcwork:
You want to question God but you want everyone to accept your interpretationstory without question.
Repeat the question again I have a few minutes

Tcwork:
Every one quotes that verse.

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying Jesus don't know what he is saying or all the 41,000 different religions claiming Christian with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are for the man who said those words?

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times "you are not our type" there is just one language that help us to know our type, many are out there love the language but are earnestly looking for the people speaking it!

The language is spiritual! The first thing we will hear to identify them is their interest in knowing the one and only religion that's approved by God and those practicing it.
Whenever, wherever we find anyone asking such a question whether verbally or through their actions we are under obligation to speak the language to them.
Note that such a person will not start arguing in support of religions that he himself is no part of the way you've been doing, rather our lost brother will be asking for proof to ascertain that he has found what he's been longing for!
Our lost brother will not start comparing Islam, Buddha, Krishna, Deeperlife and RCCG with what we're presenting to him. He already knows that our one God must have just one form of religion he approves. So all we need is proof that we have found that one and only pure worship!

That's why we will quickly refute the claim that you're one of our brothers, but even if our lost brother is a member of Boko Haram as long as he is fighting for the one and only pure worship in his heart Jesus will locate him. Act 22:4; 1Corinthians 15:9

So the type of questions you're asking has revealed to us that you're not one of our lost brothers!

Tcwork:
I am quoting you not Jesus. Anyone can say Jesus words.