I and my friend are having an argument ,

It's a simple question.

Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

No

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument ,
It's a simple question.
Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

Yes He was rich and is rich

BassReeves:
Yes He was rich and is rich

As in financially rich?

Thazard:
As in financially rich?

John 13:29
Since Judas was their treasurer, some thought Jesus was telling him to go
and pay for the food or to give some money to the poor.

John 12:6
Judas did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief.
As keeper of the money bag, he used to take from what was put into it.

If not financially rich, then its odd to have a money bag and treasurer

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument ,
It's a simple question.
Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

He didn’t even have a personal home.
Matthew 8:20

BassReeves:
John 13:29
Since Judas was their treasurer some thought Jesus was telling him to go
and pay for the food or to give some money to the poor.

John 12:6
Judas did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief.
As keeper of the money bag, he used to take from what was put into it.

If not financially rich, then its odd to have a money bag and treasurer

The key word not his treasurer

DappaD:

He didn’t even have a personal home. Matthew 8:20

So which side are you on.

Thazard:

So which side are you on.

What do you mean?

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument ,


It's a simple question.


Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

No, Jesus was not a rich man-Matthew 8:20

DappaD:

What do you mean?

I mean are you saying Jesus Christ was rich or he was poor?

Thazard:

I mean are you saying Jesus Christ was rich or he was poor?

Jesus Christ focused on the more important things[Philippians 1:10] which was preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom. Luke 4:43
If you are familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, you’d notice when he admonished his listeners not to have a materialistic outlook.
Matthew 6:24-33 compare 1Timothy 6:9,10
So do you think Jesus will not practice what he preached and lead by example? 1Peter 2:21

That’s not to say that one cannot be rich but that person has to use discernment and has to be content[1Timothy 6:6, Hebrews 13:5] so as not to get carried away by the deceptive power of riches.
Matthew 13:22

Being rich spiritually is what’s most important.
Matthew 6:20, 1Timothy 6:18

Jesus was not poor because he received lucrative gifts -- gold, frankincense and myrrh -- at birth. Jesus was wealthy because the Roman soldiers who crucified him gambled for his expensive undergarments. Even Jesus' parents, Mary and Joseph, lived and traveled in style,
"Mary and Joseph took a Cadillac to get to Bethlehem because the finest transportation of their day was a donkey, "Poor people ate their donkey. Only the wealthy used it as transportation."
another point to consider is that Jesus had a treasurer, or a "keeper of the money bag."
"The last time I checked, poor people don't have treasurers to take care their money,"
also the scriptures says the Roman soldiers gambled for Jesus' clothing while he hung on the cross. They wouldn't gamble for Jesus' clothing unless it was expensive.
"That might be a fine stuff he wore.
Jesus never would have had disciples or a large following if he was poor. He would not have been able to command their respect.
"The poor will follow the rich, the rich will follow the rich, but the rich will never follow the poor.
Even Jesus' own words prove that he wasn't poor.
"Jesus said you will always have the poor, but you will not always have me, "Jesus did not affirm himself as being part of the poor class...
"I believe he was the richest man on the face of the earth because he had God as his source,"

: I and my friend are having an argument , It's a simple question.Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?Yes He was rich and is rich

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument
It's a simple question.
Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

The obvious answer is No.

1. Like He commanded His disciples, He too sold all He had in order to give it away to the poor. Jesus Christ lived the exact same life He commanded His disciples to live and they all watched Him and taught from Him that way. And yes, Jesus Christ was homeless for some of the period He spent with His disciples.

2. The Bible does not say that Judas served as Jesus Christ's personal treasurer...instead Judas served as treasurer to Jesus Christ and His followers... A number that was about 72 at one point.

3. Travelling by donkey was no Cadillac at the time. A donkey was the typical transport of the poor a the time, where the rich road around on horses, camels, cattle, chariots et which were of course much faster means of moving from place to place.
As to the poor eating their donkeys? Maybe an old and tired donkey but not a strong donkey. Donkeys, are not great food sources since they do not multiply like your sheep and goats would and they are not easily grazed like other farm animals wither, so the suggesting that the poor saw their donkey as primarily a food source is in educated and ridiculous.

1. He had a Treasurer, that is an account officer
2. He gave back to society by feeding multitudes.
3. He has politicians and task collectors as friends
4. He travels abroad frequently.
5. He attends parties
6. He has aides.
Finally do the judgement yourself with these points

entrep88:
1. He had a Treasurer, that is an account officer
2. He gave back to society by feeding multitudes.
3. He has politicians and task collectors as friends
4. He travels abroad frequently.
5. He attends parties
6. He has aides.
Finally do the judgement yourself with these points

I think kobojunkie is right and you are wrong.


You know what I think?


I think you guys are somehow afraid of saying Jesus Christ was poor financially.

Jones4190:
Jesus was not poor because he received lucrative gifts -- gold, frankincense and myrrh -- at birth. Jesus was wealthy because the Roman soldiers who crucified him gambled for his expensive undergarments. Even Jesus' parents, Mary and Joseph, lived and traveled in style,
"Mary and Joseph took a Cadillac to get to Bethlehem because the finest transportation of their day was a donkey, "Poor people ate their donkey. Only the wealthy used it as transportation."
another point to consider is that Jesus had a treasurer, or a "keeper of the money bag."
"The last time I checked, poor people don't have treasurers to take care their money,"
also the scriptures says the Roman soldiers gambled for Jesus' clothing while he hung on the cross. They wouldn't gamble for Jesus' clothing unless it was expensive.
"That might be a fine stuff he wore.
Jesus never would have had disciples or a large following if he was poor. He would not have been able to command their respect.
"The poor will follow the rich, the rich will follow the rich, but the rich will never follow the poor.
Even Jesus' own words prove that he wasn't poor.
"Jesus said you will always have the poor, but you will not always have me, "Jesus did not affirm himself as being part of the poor class...
"I believe he was the richest man on the face of the earth because he had God as his source,"

I wonder where you conjured all these up

Mat 8:19-20:
"And a certain scribe came, and said to him, Master, I will follow you wherever you go. And Jesus said to him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has not where to lay his head."

I don't know a rich man who doesn't have a house!

Mat 21:2:
"Saying to them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway you shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them to me."

A donkey as a Cardiac!? No sir.
A donkey is like a "work truck" rich people ride HORSES!

A don't know any rich man whose only means of transport are his feet and borrowed vehicles (boat and donkeys)!

Mar 15:16-20:
"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit on him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."

Jesus's clothing wasn't even fit for a rich man. They had to clothe him with purple dress which was taken by lot


Your Pastor is probably trying to justify why he is so flamboyant.

shadeyinka:

I wonder where you conjured all these up

Mat 8:19-20:
"And a certain scribe came, and said to him, Master, I will follow you wherever you go. And Jesus said to him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has not where to lay his head."

I don't know a rich man who doesn't have a house!

Mat 21:2:
"Saying to them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway you shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them to me."

A donkey as a Cardiac!? No sir.
A donkey is like a "work truck" rich people ride HORSES!

A don't know any rich man whose only means of transport are his feet and borrowed vehicles (boat and donkeys)!

Mar 15:16-20:
"And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit on him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him."

Jesus's clothing wasn't even fit for a rich man. They had to clothe him with purple dress which was taken by lot


Your Pastor is probably trying to justify why he is so flamboyant.

forget pastor and talk to me based on the Gospels, it is safe to say Jesus was neither rich nor poor. According to His own words, He was not occupied with accumulating earthly riches and material possessions (Matt. 6:19-21). But neither did He go lacking for the material necessities of life.
The idea that Jesus lived in material poverty was encouraged by misinformed (and often illiterate).

Jesus was a rabbi, and as such, He was required to know an occupation and to earn His living by it. Jesus was a carpenter (Matt. 13:55; Mark 6:3). According to a tradition from the early church, Jesus’ specialty was making farm implements, which may account for His many references to farming activities.
The Gospels tell He took up residence in Capernaum (Matt. 4:13), which became the headquarters for His ministry until He made that last trip to Jerusalem to be crucified. This residence of Jesus at Capernaum is referred to simply as “the house” (Matt. 9:28; 13:1, 36; Mark 2:1; 7:17; 9:28, 33; 10:10). If I say to you, “I am going to the house,” you know I mean the house I live in—my residence.
There is no evidence in the Gospels that Jesus was ever homeless.
The Gospels reveal Jesus was blessed with wealthy benefactors who lived in large houses, and He and the Twelve had money, enough that they had a treasurer, Judas, who stole from them (John 12:4-6). When Jesus fed the 5,000, He and His disciples had 200-days’ wages in their treasury but this was not enough to buy food for so many. Jesus and the Twelve were not poor; they gave routinely from their treasury to the poor Bros. can a poor man feed 12000 people?

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument ,


It's a simple question.


Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

Do you want to be poor, or what is your point?

Jones4190:

forget pastor and talk to me based on the Gospels, it is safe to say Jesus was neither rich nor poor. According to His own words, He was not occupied with accumulating earthly riches and material possessions (Matt. 6:19-21). But neither did He go lacking for the material necessities of life.
The idea that Jesus lived in material poverty was encouraged by misinformed (and often illiterate).

Jesus was a rabbi, and as such, He was required to know an occupation and to earn His living by it. Jesus was a carpenter (Matt. 13:55; Mark 6:3). According to a tradition from the early church, Jesus’ specialty was making farm implements, which may account for His many references to farming activities.
The Gospels tell He took up residence in Capernaum (Matt. 4:13), which became the headquarters for His ministry until He made that last trip to Jerusalem to be crucified. This residence of Jesus at Capernaum is referred to simply as “the house” (Matt. 9:28; 13:1, 36; Mark 2:1; 7:17; 9:28, 33; 10:10). If I say to you, “I am going to the house,” you know I mean the house I live in—my residence.
There is no evidence in the Gospels that Jesus was ever homeless.
The Gospels reveal Jesus was blessed with wealthy benefactors who lived in large houses, and He and the Twelve had money, enough that they had a treasurer, Judas, who stole from them (John 12:4-6). When Jesus fed the 5,000, He and His disciples had 200-days’ wages in their treasury but this was not enough to buy food for so many. Jesus and the Twelve were not poor; they gave routinely from their treasury to the poor Bros. can a poor man feed 12000 people?

I don't think it is right to say that Jesus was POOR just as it would not be right to say Jesus was RICH.
Jesus seem not to care for material things hence, he could not be described as rich.

Jesus taught us to lay our treasures in heaven rather than on earth.

2Cor 8:9:
"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich."

A rich man is known by how much he has accumulated for himself in this world. Jesus fed the multitudes not from his accumulations but by showing that He is the provider of resources.

Jesus being homeless is an exaggeration. This is different f on Jesus not building a personal house

Jesus was so rich that when the tax collectors came, He had to depend on a fish to pay them tax for Him and Peter.

He was so rich that He didn't have a house to stay.

He was even born so rich in a manger of all places on Earth.

He was extremely rich that He kept borrowing things like the donkey He used to enter Jerusalem.

He even richer than all men on Earth that His disciples were worried about food to eat and clothes to put on after they had forsaken all to follow Him.

Jesus was really rich that the first miracle He did was because wine had finished in a wedding He attended.

Jesus was so rich that He relied on a poor fig tree to quench His hunger.

I'm sure for all those saying that Jesus was rich, those are the criteria for someone to be rich in their sight.

Not surprised though, it's the same way some want to pin alcohol on Jesus to justify their drinking of alcohol.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus was so rich that when the tax collectors came, He had to depend on a fish to pay them tax for Him and Peter.

He was so rich that He didn't have a house to stay.

He was even born so rich in a manger of all places on Earth.

He was extremely rich that He kept borrowing things like the donkey He used to enter Jerusalem.

He even richer than all men on Earth that His disciples were worried about food to eat and clothes to put on after they had forsaken all to follow Him.

Jesus was really rich that the first miracle He did was because wine had finished in a wedding He attended.

Jesus was so rich that He relied on a poor fig tree to quench His hunger.

I'm sure for all those saying that Jesus was rich, those are the criteria for someone to be rich in their sight.

Not surprised though, it's the same way some want to pin alcohol on Jesus to justify their drinking of alcohol.


God bless.

Ha my front of my back!

shadeyinka:

I don't think it is right to say that Jesus was POOR just as it would not be right to say Jesus was RICH.
Jesus seem not to care for material things hence, he could not be described as rich.

Jesus taught us to lay our treasures in heaven rather than on earth.

2Cor 8:9:
"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich."

A rich man is known by how much he has accumulated for himself in this world. Jesus fed the multitudes not from his accumulations but by showing that He is the provider of resources.

Jesus being homeless is an exaggeration. This is different f on Jesus not building a personal house

if we are to define poverty, it will be right for us to say is a person that lack shelter,food and clothes, Jesus didn't lack any of this, he has enough food to feed himself, his disciples and even feed his followers.
He has a clothes to wear, after his deaths his clothes was use to cast lot. nobody we drag a poor man clothes
He has a place to sleep in capenahun, it was on his way to Jerusalem where he know he will not return he make the statement that "the son of man has no where to leave" he knew it was a journey of no return.
There is no place recorded in the bible that says jesus was lacking when he was on earth.

Jones4190:

if we are to define poverty, it will be right for us to say is a person that lack shelter,food and clothes, Jesus didn't lack any of this, he has enough food to feed himself, his disciples and even feed his followers.
He has a clothes to wear, after his deaths his clothes was use to cast lot. nobody we drag a poor man clothes
He has a place to sleep in capenahun, it was on his way to Jerusalem where he know he will not return he make the statement that "the son of man has no where to leave" he knew it was a journey of no return.
There is no place recorded in the bible that says jesus was lacking when he was on earth.

The creator of the heaven and the earth couldn't have lacked anything He wanted! However, Jesus did not live like a wealthy man and he didn't own things that will make anyone consider him as wealthy.

If Jesus was in our generation, he probably will have enough influence to get Him anything He wanted BUT will not personally own most of the things we see our rich people owning. In other words, he would probably fly in helicopters, planes, cars and ship that he doesn't own. He would probably live in a rented house and not build churches. Jesus's investment was more on people rather than material assets.

Pastors who live flamboyant lives would want to portray Jesus as a materially Rich and wealthy man (so as to justify their own flamboyant lifestyle) but no: Jesus seem to live a simple lifestyle. He had the power to turn baskets of rocks and dirts int GOLD but he would rather send Peter to draw out the first fish in whose mouth is money enough to pay for just two people (with no excess)!

But Jesus did not live in Poverty or Penury: that will be completely wrong belief system.

It largely depends on what you view as RICHES!

To Jesus he is the richest man who ever walk on this planet, because he has lots and lots and lots of treasures kept safely with the owner of this planet where no thief or circumstances can take away his riches! Matthew 6:19-20

To Jesus whatever anyone has now will soon become another person's possessions when they die {Luke 12:16-21} but where Jesus stored his own treasures, do you know that even you, i and everything on this planet will become Jesus' belongings when God's kingdom comes? Luke 19:27 compare to Daniel 7:14, Colossians 1:15-16

That's why i said it depends on what you call RICHES!

He is just a character in a story....so whatever the writers potray him as....

There is no point loosing sleep over a fictional character.....is Harry potter rich,?..who cares, just enjoy the story and move on..

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus was so rich that when the tax collectors came, He had to depend on a fish to pay them tax for Him and Peter.

He was so rich that He didn't have a house to stay.

He was even born so rich in a manger of all places on Earth.

He was extremely rich that He kept borrowing things like the donkey He used to enter Jerusalem.

He even richer than all men on Earth that His disciples were worried about food to eat and clothes to put on after they had forsaken all to follow Him.

Jesus was really rich that the first miracle He did was because wine had finished in a wedding He attended.

Jesus was so rich that He relied on a poor fig tree to quench His hunger.

I'm sure for all those saying that Jesus was rich, those are the criteria for someone to be rich in their sight.

Not surprised though, it's the same way some want to pin alcohol on Jesus to justify their drinking of alcohol.

God bless.

Exactly they are mentioning Judas was treasurer.

Why is Judas a treasurer if it wasn't a group money for a set organisational goal?

There was tax collector and money keepers who professionally kept personal money for people, why would Jesus be giving his personal money to Judas who wasn't one (except it was organization money that should stay with the organization)

Why did the devil tempt Jesus with "riches" if he already had it?

shadeyinka:

The creator of the heaven and the earth couldn't have lacked anything He wanted! However, Jesus did not live like a wealthy man and he didn't own things that will make anyone consider him as wealthy.

If Jesus was in our generation, he probably will have enough influence to get Him anything He wanted BUT will not personally own most of the things we see our rich people owning. In other words, he would probably fly in helicopters, planes, cars and ship that he doesn't own. He would probably live in a rented house and not build churches. Jesus's investment was more on people rather than material assets.

Pastors who live flamboyant lives would want to portray Jesus as a materially Rich and wealthy man (so as to justify their own flamboyant lifestyle) but no: Jesus seem to live a simple lifestyle. He had the power to turn baskets of rocks and dirts int GOLD but he would rather send Peter to draw out the first fish in whose mouth is money enough to pay for just two people (with no excess)!

But Jesus did not live in Poverty or Penury: that will be completely wrong belief system.

I agree i think the question wasn't whether he was comfortable but whether he was rich?

No body argues that Jesus wasn't comfortable, he had ardent followers that would have given him basics stuffs (not flamboyancy).

One of his followers was Joseph of Arimathea who took his body down, washed it, wrapped it in new clothes in a special grave.

Jesus got heroric welcome from followers at the triumphant entry.

Mary and her sisters always came to wash him with perfume all the days they could after his death.

Mary and her sisters would also have been given him food when he was with them too.

So no one can say he wasn't comfortable

Jones4190:

if we are to define poverty, it will be right for us to say is a person that lack shelter,food and clothes, Jesus didn't lack any of this, he has enough food to feed himself, his disciples and even feed his followers.
He has a clothes to wear, after his deaths his clothes was use to cast lot. nobody we drag a poor man clothes
He has a place to sleep in capenahun, it was on his way to Jerusalem where he know he will not return he make the statement that "the son of man has no where to leave" he knew it was a journey of no return.
There is no place recorded in the bible that says jesus was lacking when he was on earth.

Jesus wasn't supposed to be a wreck, those things you described aren't riches.

Can you answer me on why the devil promises to give him riches if he had it already?

Don't run o answer since you know the definition of riches than the one who offered it.

The people who cast lots on his clothes were his killers who humiliated him, where they casting lot because they respected him or to to mock him.

Can you also answer my second question on why Jesus himself gave the parable of the birds who don't labour yet have basic needs from God.

If all birds could get shelter and food can God not give his son shelter and food too

Does it translates to the birds been rich?

If God can give all humans shelter and food like birds does that mean all humanity is rich

Christ had the basic necessities of life and that doesn't translate to riches

Excellent!

Regene2020:
Jesus wasn't supposed to be a wreck, those things you described aren't riches.

Can you answer me on why the devil promises to give him riches if he had it already?

Don't run o answer since you know the definition of riches than the one who offered it.

The people who cast lots on his clothes were his killers who humiliated him, where they casting lot because they respected him or to to mock him.

Can you also answer my second question on why Jesus himself gave the parable of the birds who don't labour yet have basic needs from God.

If all birds could get shelter and food can God not give his son shelter and food too

Does it translates to the birds been rich?

If God can give all humans shelter and food like birds does that mean all humanity is rich

Christ had the basic necessities of life and that doesn't translate to riches

Regene2020:
Exactly they are mentioning Judas was treasurer.

Why is Judas a treasurer if it wasn't a group money for a set organisational goal?

There was tax collector and money keepers who professionally kept personal money for people, why would Jesus be giving his personal money to Judas who wasn't one (except it was organization money that should stay with the organization)

Why did the devil tempt Jesus with "riches" if he already had it?

Hmm... You have some valid points there. Nice one.