Myer:


Like I said, it's you who isn't comprehending what you're reading.

Philippians 2:12 says work out your salavatiin, yes.
Phillipians 2:13 says it us God who will determine both your willingness to work out your salvation and also your ability to do it.

Clearly vs 13 proves it is all God's doing.

Have you not read that while Esau was yet unborn God already hated him and loved Jacob? Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13

Did you not read in the Bible how God hardens people's hearts according to his desire? And how he himself prepares others for his use?

Until you read the Bible with an open mind, you will "choose" not to see these things.

It's ok anyway. I guess I wish i also didn't see these things, perhaps I would still have been a devout Christian.lol

I would like to hear about your journey into the faith and how you are doing today in the faith. That's if you don't mind. Thanks

Myer:


Like I said, it's you who isn't comprehending what you're reading.

Philippians 2:12 says work out your salavatiin, yes.
Phillipians 2:13 says it us God who will determine both your willingness to work out your salvation and also your ability to do it.

Clearly vs 13 proves it is all God's doing.

Have you not read that while Esau was yet unborn God already hated him and loved Jacob? Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13

Did you not read in the Bible how God hardens people's hearts according to his desire? And how he himself prepares others for his use?

Until you read the Bible with an open mind, you will "choose" not to see these things.

It's ok anyway. I guess I wish i also didn't see these things, perhaps I would still have been a devout Christian.lol

Bro, I keep trusting God for you o. But you truly have to study the scriptures as a whole. Not snippet. That is what you are doing even your explanation.


Lastly, doctrine don't draw away peoples commitment to God. It's a person's heart that draws away. The scriptures doesnt. It is other things you have exposed yourself to that affect a personal devotion.

If you stay with the word, and stop having to be browsing what contribute negative thoughts to your devotion, you will do well.

No one is immune to being drawn away. Likewise we can all receive stable if we desire so.

Myer:


I don't know who your pastor is but apparently he has fed you with his own doctrine not the Bible.

The Bible never mentioned that Rahul stopped her brothel business.
Neither did it tell us she prayed to God.
She simply recognised that through the rumours she's heard about Israelites, they usually conjure their enemies so she decided to help them on the condition that they spared her family.

It might help you to know that God doesn't want to be understood. The moment you think you understand God he changes his strategy.

Which is why I've always maintained that what Jesus said is that the Holyspirit is very important in a Christians life. If you only follow biblical examples chances are you will assume what God is saying when he's doing something else. But if truly you can be sure that the Holyspirit leads you, then you can know per time what God desires of you.

Cos as the scriptures says as many as are led by God these are the sons of God Romans 8:14

From your comments I understand that you have backslided, and from the Word I understand that the backsider in heart is full of his own ways.

Proverbs 14:14 "
KJV: THE BACKSLIDER IN HEART SHALL BE FILLED WITH HIS OWN WAYS: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself."

So, what interests me now is to know how you started and how you end it.

The quotations I gave, if it doesn't have the point I raised, call my attention to it.

Jesus is coming soon...

Myer:


I don't know who your pastor is but apparently he has fed you with his own doctrine not the Bible.

The Bible never mentioned that Rahul stopped her brothel business.
Neither did it tell us she prayed to God.
She simply recognised that through the rumours she's heard about Israelites, they usually conjure their enemies so she decided to help them on the condition that they spared her family.

It might help you to know that God doesn't want to be understood. The moment you think you understand God he changes his strategy.

Which is why I've always maintained that what Jesus said is that the Holyspirit is very important in a Christians life. If you only follow biblical examples chances are you will assume what God is saying when he's doing something else. But if truly you can be sure that the Holyspirit leads you, then you can know per time what God desires of you.

Cos as the scriptures says as many as are led by God these are the sons of God Romans 8:14

I want to make one thing clear here, as I have seen from the Word:

God has never made the steps to salvation ambiguous at anytime.

No body has been saved at anytime without faith/belief, prayer and submission/obedience.

If you know anyone you can point out...

hoopernikao:



You are still speaking for him. There is no where I also did misquote him.

Below is the focus of his message.

GOD CAN LEAVE A BELIEVER AND CHOOSE AN UNBELIEVER even at Jesus's coming.

Observe his references, Paul, Thief on the right hand.

You

I then presented the Bible view to him about the faith of man in salvation, hence a child of God can't be compared to that of the devil.

Then, see his conclusion about my write up.

YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCRIPTURES.

Which I didn't dispute with him.

But then, I asking him to present his understanding, you claimed I misquote him.

Can God leave his children and cling to the seed of the devil? That is what he emphasized.


Then I asked him a simple question, if he will be part of those Jesus will leave behind.

Why can't he answer the question since he already know who Jesus will not choose. I don't think that is a hard question or should lead to his flaring up.

Now do you know where his self righteousness and sense of perfection comes from?

Moment he could t sincerely answer that question, it shows he doesn't believe he will be left behind. Such persons will tell you "by grace", yet is the grace available for them alone?

He should honestly answer the question to know his expectation when Jesus appear. Then we can know the intent of his heart.

Lastly, Like I said, when you put God to be an unstable being that act of emotions and reactionary, who does even know what he wants or can change his word anytime, such preaching is what breeds his assumptions and erroneous explanation of the scriptures.

Can God leave his children and climg to unbelievers?
Really?
Why were the Jews (God's chosen through promise to Abraham) rejected and the Gentiles (Unbelievers) chosen?

Like I always say, the inconsistency of God is undisputed except on the basis that you do not want to acknowledge it.
I've presented other scenarios in the Bible where this is so. In fact most believe the God of the old testament must be different from the God of new testament cos apparently he changed due to the sacrifice of Jesus.

KNOWMORE56:


I want to make one thing clear here, as I have seen from the Word:

God has never made the steps to salvation ambiguous at anytime.

No body has been saved at anytime without faith/belief, prayer and submission/obedience.

If you know anyone you can point out...

Well, let me help you.
The Jews were born saved according to God's covenant with Abraham. Just by virtue of being a Jew they were saved. Except occasionally when God chose to punlish them.

The Apostles were saved without any faith or prayer just simply submission. If you read your Bible there were so many instances Christ admonished them for their lack of faith.

Also the woman with the issue of blood only had faith, no prayer, no submission.

The Samaritan woman had faith, after experiencing Jesus' prophetic gift, no prayer no submission.

Jeremiah was saved without having anything to do with it. Just because God had preordained it to be so. Jeremiah 1:5

So like always say, unless you pick your bible to read yourself and not just swallow hook, line and sinker all your pastor teaches you, you'll keep thinking you understand the Bible when you don't.

KNOWMORE56:


From your comments I understand that you have backslided, and from the Word I understand that the backsider in heart is full of his own ways.

Proverbs 14:14 "
KJV: THE BACKSLIDER IN HEART SHALL BE FILLED WITH HIS OWN WAYS: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself."

So, what interests me now is to know how you started and how you end it.

The quotations I gave, if it doesn't have the point I raised, call my attention to it.

Jesus is coming soon...

It would interest me more how you started and what still keeps you going, besides your fear of hell of course.

Myer:


Well, let me help you.
The Jews were born saved according to God's covenant with Abraham. Just by virtue of being a Jew they were saved. Except occasionally when God chose to punlish them.
You can check 1 Corinthians 10 from verse 1 down
*. 5 "KJV:But WITH MANY OF THEM GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6
KJV:Now THESE THINGS WERE OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

The Apostles were saved without any faith or prayer just simply submission.
Nobody submitted himself to who they don't believe, so they have faith in Him.
If you read your Bible there were so many instances Christ admonished them for their lack of faith.
No, not that they don't have faith but their Faith was little: Mathew 6:30; 8:26; 14:31; 16:8 and so on

Also the woman with the issue of blood only had faith, no prayer, no submission.
This is miracle, not salvation, but faith remains indispensable though! ( Hebrews 11:6)

The Samaritan woman had faith, after experiencing Jesus' prophetic gift, no prayer no submission.
faith remains indispensable, the woman prayed. She said " give this water" water = salvation:
*. John 6:10 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; THOU WOULDEST HAVE ASKED OF HIM, AND HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LIVING WATER.
15
KJV: THE WOMAN SAITH UNTO HIM, SIR, GIVE ME THIS WATER, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

Jeremiah was saved without having anything to do with it. Just because God had preordained it to be so. Jeremiah 1:5
His story of salvation is not given, should it be given, it would have followed the same steps!
So like always say, unless you pick your bible to read yourself and not just swallow hook, line and sinker all your pastor teaches you, you'll keep thinking you understand the Bible when you don't.

You can check out the quotations again, and were it disagree with what I'm saying call my attention to it.

Myer:


Well, let me help you.
The Jews were born saved according to God's covenant with Abraham. Just by virtue of being a Jew they were saved. Except occasionally when God chose to punlish them.

The Apostles were saved without any faith or prayer just simply submission. If you read your Bible there were so many instances Christ admonished them for their lack of faith.

Also the woman with the issue of blood only had faith, no prayer, no submission.

The Samaritan woman had faith, after experiencing Jesus' prophetic gift, no prayer no submission.

Jeremiah was saved without having anything to do with it. Just because God had preordained it to be so. Jeremiah 1:5

So like always say, unless you pick your bible to read yourself and not just swallow hook, line and sinker all your pastor teaches you, you'll keep thinking you understand the Bible when you don't.

You can check 1 Corinthians 10 from verse 1 down
*. 5 "KJV:But WITH MANY OF THEM GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6
KJV:Now THESE THINGS WERE OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

Nobody submitted himself to who they don't believe, so they have faith in Him.

No, not that they don't have faith but their Faith was little: Mathew 6:30; 8:26; 14:31; 16:8 and so on.

This is miracle, not salvation, but faith remains indispensable though! ( Hebrews 11:6).
FAITH remains indispensable, the woman of Samaritan prayed. She said " give me this water" water = salvation:
*. John 6:10 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; THOU WOULDEST HAVE ASKED OF HIM, AND HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LIVING WATER.
15
KJV: THE WOMAN SAITH UNTO HIM, SIR, GIVE ME THIS WATER, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

His (Jeremiah's) story of salvation is not given, should it be given, it would have followed the same steps!

You can check out the quotations again, and were it disagree with what I'm saying call my attention to it.

Myer:


It would interest me more how you started and what still keeps you going, besides your fear of hell of course.

The only thing that keeps me going is the grace of God, sustaining grace.

I discover that if somebody is serving God because of fear of hell, the person won't go far.

But when you grow in grace, and you serve Him because of love, you'll go very far.

My story of how I get converted is very interesting and long. I will try to summarize it anyway...

Myer:


It would interest me more how you started and what still keeps you going, besides your fear of hell of course.

My parents served masquerade (traditional occultism).
And I was to be initiated into it, but a friend invited me to church.

I will never forget that Easter weekend that something happened to me...

... they sang a song saying Jesus suffered terribly for me, I and Younger brother, we left the place so quiet and thoughtful.

From that day I started searching to know more about this Jesus. And I asked a lot of questions about Him.

The 1st church are not grounded in the Word, which made me search for where I can get satisfaction.
In those days, from Sunday to Sunday is like a month interval for me.

I needed someone to tell me something about Jesus every now and then...

While this hunger lingered, I saw some boys running somewhere with Bible in their hands.
I asked them, they told me they are going to Bible study.

I joined them in the week that followed. Oh!!!, it's the Lord's doing.

The things that was lacking in me was supplied. My questions answered....

... when the devil noticed that I'm in for a business, he stirred up my mother.
Hmmm. It wasn't a child's play.

I was rejected and denied, I cried and cried. But I was not ready to let go my friendship with Jesus.

The persecution lasted for 2years and...
If I should tell you this story of my sufferings, no, there's no strength to type it all...

https://www.nairaland.com/5760398/nl-christians-what-persecution-did

I later fell into immorality and the loving Lord allowed me to suffered terribly for it.

I stopped going to church I was too confused...

He later called me back. It's difficult for me to forget that day also.
He used Isaiah 43:25. It was as if somebody was talking to me verbally
"
KJV:I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins."

All I can say today is LORD, THANK YOU FOR ENDURING THE CROSS FOR ME;

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME AND

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT UP DAILY IN ORDER TO RESCUE ME.

I'M GRATEFUL LORD!

@ Myer the Lord still loves you!

Is your God partial or biased? I think you should allow Myer to have the same experience as you, i strongly believe he will know how to worship this God of yours after the God has spoken to him like he did to you!

But JEHOVAH our own God has a setting, there is always an arrangement he makes to communicate with his people, all his worshipers must submit ourselves under that arrangement so whenever or wherever we find one another we speak the same thing {Zephaniah 3:9} because his arrangement is to make us all think alike! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Thanks!

KNOWMORE56:
@ Myer the Lord still loves you!

MaxInDHouse:
Is your God partial or biased? I think you should allow Myer to have the same experience as you, i strongly believe he will know how to worship this God of yours after the God has spoken to him like he did to you!

But JEHOVAH our own God has a setting, there is always an arrangement he makes to communicate with his people, all his worshipers must submit ourselves under that arrangement so whenever or wherever we find one another we speak the same thing {Zephaniah 3:9} because his arrangement is to make us all think alike! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Thanks!

The organization is not for Jesus my LORD. All Jesus disciples point humanity to Jesus:

https://www.nairaland.com/6001666/what-preach

Many questions in the above link you refused to answer

MaxInDHouse:
Is your God partial or biased? I think you should allow Myer to have the same experience as you, i strongly believe he will know how to worship this God of yours after the God has spoken to him like he did to you!

But JEHOVAH our own God has a setting, there is always an arrangement he makes to communicate with his people, all his worshipers must submit ourselves under that arrangement so whenever or wherever we find one another we speak the same thing {Zephaniah 3:9} because his arrangement is to make us all think alike! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10
Thanks!

And from the Word below is the difference between a Christian and others:

*. 1 John 3:10 "
KJV:In this THE CHILDREN OF GOD are manifest, and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

So what correlation is there between the post you quoted and your response?

I said "allow your God to speak with Myer the same way he did with you"
Nobody forced you to say you're not even ready to stop your unrighteousness when your God called you out, but now you're saying your God detests unrighteousness yet he didn't mind calling you our of such filth. Myer never said he's practicing unrighteousness all he's asking is the difference between a Christian and none Christian. Then you're talking about loving one's brother, please what correlation has this got with what i said?

KNOWMORE56:

And from the Word below is the difference between a Christian and others:
*. 1 John 3:10 "
KJV:In this THE CHILDREN OF GOD are manifest, and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

So are you the one your God is now sending to change Myer's mind over from what he chose to do for his own God?

Haba! Your God spoke to you directly but instead of allowing your neighbour to experience the same you want to come in between your God and him!

As for my organization WE WORSHIP A SEPARATE GOD!

KNOWMORE56:

The organization is not for Jesus my LORD. All Jesus disciples point humanity to Jesus:
https://www.nairaland.com/6001666/what-preach Many questions in the above link you refused to answer

MaxInDHouse:
So are you the one your God is now sending to change Myer's mind over from what he chose to do for his own God?

Haba! Your God spoke to you directly but instead of allowing your neighbour to experience the same you want to come in between your God and him!

As for my organization WE WORSHIP A SEPARATE GOD!

All these mentions just this morning?
I was hoping you both focused on the topic of the thread though.

You keep proving over and over again that you're not a man of your word. Or ie it lack of self-control?

Can't you just ignore this thread and find some other thread to spread your gospel of annoyance?

KNOWMORE56:
@ Myer the Lord still loves you!

Is there anyone God doesn't love?
I think whats more important is how he expresses this love.lol

Myer:


Is there anyone God doesn't love?
I think whats more important is how he expresses this love.lol

And He had died for you - the height of the expression of love.

What do you want more?

I'm only pointing out the inconsistencies in what your friend is saying!
He said his God looked round throughout this earth and of all the people in this world his God just want him to come and worship despite the fact that he himself doesn't give a bleep about any God. Well it's like you love such fairy stories {2Timothy 4:3-4} so i'll bow out!

Myer:

All these mentions just this morning?
I was hoping you both focused on the topic of the thread though.
You keep proving over and over again that you're not a man of your word. Or ie it lack of self-control?
Can't you just ignore this thread and find some other thread to spread your gospel of annoyance?

KNOWMORE56:


And He had died for you - the height of the expression of love.

What do you want more?

Seems you haven't read your bible thoroughly. The way he expresses his love is to make you suffer through chastising. To the extent of having to give your life and all you have in return if he requires it.

A true Christian should actually:

1. Abandon his family and take up his cross.

Matthew 16: 24-25
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

2. Follow the Spirit any where he is led.
John 3: 5-8
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

3. No longer be entangle with worldly affairs.
James 4:4-5
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

That said, the kind of love that demands you abandon your loved ones and passions, sounds more like a hostile relationship.

Myer:
The whole idea of Christianity is all about how Christians are to be identifiable by the grace of God upon them, their relationship with the Holyspirit and living in victory over enemies and challenges through faith in Christ.

I have been a Christian but this was not my reality. Which made me question the bible.

Recently a christian pastor murdered his own wife just like an unbeliever could. Which makes me question, is there even any difference between a Christian and others?

The word christian has been wrongly used and misinterpreted because of those who play religion.

Now the true meaning of being a Christian is to be "Christ -Like", the Spirit of Jesus within you. Having the mind, attitude attribute, character,etc,etc.....in words and in deeds.


Those who are of the Other(s) know who they belong to.

bixton:



The word christian has been wrongly used and misinterpreted because of those who play religion.

Now the true meaning of being a Christian is to be "Christ -Like", the Spirit of Jesus within you. Having the mind, attitude attribute, character,etc,etc.....in words and in deeds.


Those who are of the Other(s) know who they belong to.

Can you shed more light on what it means to be Christ-like?

Myer:


Can you shed more light on what it means to be Christ-like?

To be Chriat-Like foremost means to show and express love. To do the work of the Father (to preach the gospel of repentance. To believe and have faith in the Father. When you see those who contradict, misinterpret or do not have a clear understanding of the Word..... you politely explain better for them. Don't get self into unnecessary discussions( religiously) that practically does not bring edification to yourself to the hearers. Do not be converged with the crowd(Always know when to leave the crowd and get a quiet time with the Father). Be able to meditate/intercede for others to the Father. Appreciate good things but be not be conformed lustly to the things of the world. Desire the gift(s) of the Holy Spirit. Obey the Word of the Father in it's entirety and keep His commands promptly. Preach the Word wherever you find yourself as the opportunity presents itself. Study and meditate on His Word to show yourself approved. Maintain a good relationship as an individual with the Father.



You can learn more of it if you go through the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

bixton:


To be Chriat-Like foremost means to show and express love. To do the work of the Father (to preach the gospel of repentance. To believe and have faith in the Father. When you see those who contradict, misinterpret or do not have a clear understanding of the Word..... you politely explain better for them. Don't get self into unnecessary discussions( religiously) that practically does not bring edification to yourself to the hearers. Do not be converged with the crowd(Always know when to leave the crowd and get a quiet time with the Father). Be able to meditate/intercede for others to the Father. Appreciate good things but be not be conformed lustly to the things of the world. Desire the gift(s) of the Holy Spirit. Obey the Word of the Father in it's entirety and keep His commands promptly. Preach the Word wherever you find yourself as the opportunity presents itself. Study and meditate on His Word to show yourself approved. Maintain a good relationship as an individual with the Father.



You can learn more of it if you go through the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Well said.
Guess we have very few Christians in our generation. I wonder why.

Myer:


Well said.
Guess we have very few Christians in our generation. I wonder why.

The over whelming desire for the things of the world. The cares of man.

Myer:


But the problem is God doesn't even speak to Christians too.
At least if God speaks to you, you can be different from others but take the Covid19 pandemic for example, no one knew about it talkless of what to do. Even Pastors where caught unawares talkless of ordinary christian members.

I'm certain God revealed it to certain persons but not those popularly known so that when you hear it you will not want to believe.


Now it is not the revelation that matters it's the reaction(s) by the so called christians. The drama and comedy that erupted afterwards.

Take a look at Elisha and the Shunammite woman when she brought her dead son to him. What was his reaction?