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MaxInDHouse:
Exactly! The men decided!

LOL!
Apostle of men!

shadeyinka:
What a joke!
The Holy Spirit guide people and not non-living entities!
And I am consistent with Gal1:8-9.
Even if the leaders of ECWA or any denomination preach any other gospel other than that recorded in the scriptures let them be accursed!

So you are fellowshipping with the ACCURSED! Ó mà seo!

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
"As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

If the Apostles can say this, it means no man is infallible not even your eight white old men at Warwick, NY

That's why i said you need us to TEACH you what is WRITTEN in our book otherwise your knowledge will ever remain inaccurate {Romans 10:2-3} the scriptures says "if any man" which means you shouldn't be driven here and there (switching to teachings of different sects) just because someone there says something sweet to woo you! Ephesians 4:14
The Apostles decided upon so many issues and it became the standard for all the congregations {Act 15:27-29} so neither Peter, Paul or any other Apostle should change what have been decided upon by the BODY because it is believed that Jesus has sealed whatever the BODY decreed. Matthew 16:19
You must leave the religion where the BODY can't be trusted as been guided by Christ, there is nothing like trial and error in Christianity, if they're not qualified to teach the TRUTH it simply means you're not to sit down at all in their midst! Psalms 1:1-3

Come and learn from us!

Exactly just like Matthias!

shadeyinka:
LOL!
Apostle of men!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly just like Matthias!

Never seen Jesus!
Never met Jesus!
Never saw any miracle of Jesus!
Wasnt there at the Beginning of the Ministry of Jesus!
Not remotely present at the crucifixion!


These are apostles of men!

Did you see the disciples ordain apostles after their deaths?
Who succeeded Peter, Thomas, James, John?


You have APOSTLES of MEN!

MaxInDHouse:
So you are fellowshipping with the ACCURSED! Ó mà seo!


That's why i said you need us to TEACH you what is WRITTEN in our book otherwise your knowledge will ever remain inaccurate {Romans 10:2-3} the scriptures says "if any man" which means you shouldn't be driven here and there (switching to teachings of different sects) just because someone there says something sweet to woo you! Ephesians 4:14
The Apostles decided upon so many issues and it became the standard for all the congregations {Act 15:27-29} so neither Peter, Paul or any other Apostle should change what have been decided upon by the BODY because it is believed that Jesus has sealed whatever the BODY decreed. Matthew 16:19
You must leave the religion where the BODY can't be trusted as been guided by Christ, there is nothing like trial and error in Christianity, if they're not qualified to teach the TRUTH it simply means you're not to sit down at all in their midst! Psalms 1:1-3

Come and learn from us!

If your twisted mind is not full, you will not find it difficult understanding and comprehending the scripture.

shadeyinka:
What a joke!
The Holy Spirit guide people and not non-living entities!
And I am consistent with Gal1:8-9.
Even if the leaders of ECWA or any denomination preach any other gospel other than that recorded in the scriptures let them be accursed!

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
"As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

If the Apostles can say this, it means no man is infallible not even your eight white old men at Warwick, NY

Are the Apostles also accursed?

According to Maximus warped understanding, they are!
Shame!

INACCURATE KNOWLEDGE is your problem!

Jesus had many disciples out of which he chose twelve and called them Apostles, so if you don't know why he had to separate this twelve out of his numerous disciples you can't possibly know why they must be replaced!

shadeyinka:
Never seen Jesus!
Never met Jesus!
Never saw any miracle of Jesus!
Want there at the Beginning of the Ministry of Jesus!
Not remotely present at the crucifixion!
These are apostles of men!
Did you see the disciples ordain apostles after their deaths?
Who succeeded Peter, Thomas, James, John?
You have APOSTLES of MEN!

shadeyinka:
If your twisted mind is not full, you will not find it difficult understanding and comprehending the scripture.

Anything that's twisted will not stand upright and definitely it won't yield positive result {Matthew 7:16-18} i've observed the Organization of JWs and witnessed so many positivities in their midst that's why i believe that this is Jesus' group!

Are the Apostles also accursed?
According to Maximus warped understanding, they are!
Shame!

You can't speak for me Sir, if you misunderstood me it's OK you can ask further to ascertain what i meant. The first century Christian congregation fully trusted in the Apostles that's why they were congregating with them. So if you're now associating with a group that you can't boldly defend what they're teaching you then something is wrong somewhere!

MaxInDHouse:
Anything that's twisted will not stand upright and definitely it won't yield positive result {Matthew 7:16-18} i've observed the Organization of JWs and witnessed so many positivities in their midst that's why i believe that this is Jesus' group!




You can't speak for me Sir, if you misunderstood me it's OK you can ask further to ascertain what i meant. The first century Christian congregation fully trusted in the Apostles that's why they were congregating with them. So if you're now associating with a group that you can't boldly defend what they're teaching you then something is wrong somewhere!

You have spoken it:
If the apostles could say that

Gal 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

Gal 1:9: "As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."


You claim they are accursed just as ECWA!

MaxInDHouse:
INACCURATE KNOWLEDGE is your problem!

Jesus had many disciples out of which he chose twelve and called them Apostles, so if you don't know why he had to separate this twelve out of his numerous disciples you can't possibly know why they must be replaced!

Mention those apostles who replaced Peter, James, John or even Thomas or forever keep quiet!

The bible speaks of appointment of Elders/Deacons show one place with guidelines of appointing Apostles?

The first century Christian congregation had no doubt in the teachings of the Apostles just as JWs globally trusted in our Governing Body!

You yourself quoted Paul's letter saying "if anyone comes to teach you twisted things, let him be ACCURSED" now you yourself publicly declared that you can't fully trust in the teachings of those taking the lead in your ECWA church, yet you've remained in their midst. Whereas the first century Christians FULLY TRUSTED in the teachings of those taking the lead (Apostles)
Are you now getting the gist?

shadeyinka:
You have spoken it:
If the apostles could say that
Gal 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
Gal 1:9: "As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."
You claim they are accursed just as ECWA!

MaxInDHouse:
The first century Christian congregation had no doubt in the teachings of the Apostles just as JWs globally trusted in our Governing Body!

You yourself quoted Paul's letter saying "if anyone comes to teach you twisted things, let him be ACCURSED" now you yourself publicly declared that you can't fully trust in the teachings of those taking the lead in your ECWA church, yet you've remained in their midst. Whereas the first century Christians FULLY TRUSTED in the teachings of those taking the lead (Apostles)
Are you now getting the gist?

Simple English should guide to comprehend what a conditional statement is:

Gal 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

Gal 1:9: "As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

But as you have "mumusiously" decided not to be like the Berean Christians, good luck to you with your misinformed position.

shadeyinka:
Mention those apostles who replaced Peter, James, John or even Thomas or forever keep quiet!

Please don't be frustrated with this, i told you from the onset that i'm not here to humiliate or intimidate you, all i've come to do is DEFEND that which i believe (trusted) as you so much desire to question my Faith!

The twelve Apostles were selected by Jesus primarily to oversee the Christian Jews because they're the chosen race that originally has the covenant. Luke 22:30
Jesus chose Paul as the Apostle to oversee the Gentile Christians. 1Timothy 2:7
So their Apostleship ended with the destruction of Jerusalem because that's where Jesus asked them to stay and do their job as Apostles, and there was no place for Apostleship to continue as persecution of the church is in one place after another, the target of their persecutors is the BODY overseeing the Organization!
But when Jesus returned in 1914 he began restructuring his Organization once again that's why we have the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in America today. For your information, no country no matter how they amass nuclear weapons can conquer America because America accommodated the headquarters of God's Organization today by declaring FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP!

The bible speaks of appointment of Elders/Deacons show one place with guidelines of appointing Apostles?

Paul's letter to the Christians in Ephesus clearly stated that "God's Holy Spirit is responsible for the GIFT in men such as Apostles"
So if we have a BODY acting as Apostles today and you're not comfortable with their Apostleship please go and locate a better performing group than their own!

The Beroean Christians accepted the Apostles as God's representatives but they carefully examined the scriptures to ascertain what this men are teaching them. After they're fully convinced they continue to remain submissive to the Apostles.
That's exactly what almost 9,000,000 people from all over the earth did before they fully submitted to the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today!
It's you that's tossed about with whatever teaching that soothes you, JWs remain focused on the teachings of those they've tested and trusted!

shadeyinka:
Simple English should guide to comprehend what a conditional statement is:
Gal 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
Gal 1:9: "As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."
But as you have "mumusiously" decided not to be like the Berean Christians, good luck to you with your misinformed position.

Whenever i recollect how Shadeyinka got himself into this quagmire i just feel pity for our friend!

He was so full of himself that he kept pestering me to come and debate with him but today he's filled with regrets as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have maintained their stand and defending their faith with efficacy in the use of the scriptures but Shadeyinka is just arguing aimlessly saying "my beliefs can't be defined by any religious group and even if there is no group upholding what i'm saying i know that i'm right"

See where we started in the screenshot below and notice who was boasting in the beginning!

MaxInDHouse:
The Beroean Christians accepted the Apostles as God's representatives but they carefully examined the scriptures to ascertain what this men are teaching them. After they're fully convinced they continue to remain submissive to the Apostles.
That's exactly what almost 9,000,000 people from all over the earth did before they fully submitted to the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today!
It's you that's tossed about with whatever teaching that soothes you, JWs remain focused on the teachings of those they've tested and trusted!

The Berean Christians studied the scripture to verify if the Apostles were were speaking the truth CONSISTENT with the SCRIPTURES.

In other words, the scripture is SUPREME!

In your own case, the eight old white men are supreme and infallible!

MaxInDHouse:
Whenever i recollect how Shadeyinka got himself into this quagmire i just feel pity for our friend!

He was so full of himself that he kept pestering me to come and debate with him but today he's filled with regrets as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have maintained their stand and defending their faith with efficacy in the use of the scriptures but Shadeyinka is just arguing aimlessly saying "my beliefs can't be defined by any religious group and even if there is no group upholding what i'm saying i know that i'm right"

See where we started in the screenshot below and notice who was boasting in the beginning!

You remind me of Atheists. This is exactly how they speak!

Empty but Proud Amedonia!

You only lack humility! That's just the TRUTH and if you're not humble you will never submit to any form of setting, but you'll be expecting God to come down and set standards for you before you will submit!

Once the first century Jewish Christians noticed that the group Jesus chose were performing the signs as written in the scriptures they complied completely with whatever the Apostles say. Act 2:37-40

The Beroeans are not Jews but converts into Judaism who have been taught by Judaists that a Messiah will soon arrive but now the Christians are publicly declaring Jesus who has come and gone as the promised Messiah.
But the Beroeans weren't just satisfied with the miraculous works performed by the Christians, they want to verify that the so called Jesus was truly the long awaited Messiah, so they kept examining the scriptures to correlate all what has been written about the Messiah and what happened in the life of Jesus before they finally believe (trusted) that only the Christians (group) are still on course, all other Jewish religious settings have derailed! Act 17:10-11
That's the import of what you're quoting Sir!

shadeyinka:
The Berean Christians studied the scripture to verify if the Apostles were were speaking the truth CONSISTENT with the SCRIPTURES.
In other words, the scripture is SUPREME!
In your own case, the eight old white men are supreme and infallible!

I'm sorry that i kept beating you hands down each time you try to shift the goal post but that's our heritage Sir! Isaiah 54:17

The highlighted fittingly define you Mr Shadeyinka! An atheist simply trust in his own understanding, he doesn't want to be submissive to any form of standard that will humble his ego.
So when two, three or more people form the habit of subjecting themselves willingly to any form of standard the atheist feels uncomfortable he just wish everyone should follow whatever they have resolved in their own personal opinion.

Please try to have a rethink on this as you reexamine yourself in comparison to Maximus who is looking for the right standard that's best for everyone and fully prepared to subject himself, unlike you who only pick whatever pleases you despite choosing a religion you're still not ready to be submissive even to the religion you personally chose to associate with!

shadeyinka:
You remind me of Atheists. This is exactly how they speak!
Empty but Proud Amedonia!

shadeyinka:
You remind me of Atheists. This is exactly how they speak!

Empty but Proud Amedonia!

[color=deeppink]Bring your phone.

Goan rest![/color]

shadeyinka:
I haven't said that.

ECWA nor any denomination is not the message. Christ is the message. I do not go out to win souls for my denomination but for Christ.
As long as any denomination including ECWA preach the truth according to the scriptures, we are in agreement. I cannot be in agreement with any denomination that twist the scriptures for any reason whatsoever.

Jesus said one of the identifying mark of his true followers is that : ' They will have the same line of thought and be in agreement

Can you say you're in agreement with your church members?

Magnoliaa:
[color=deeppink]Bring your phone.
Goan rest![/color]

He started the whole thing even when i implored him to save himself the stress he kept pestering me to debate with him.
The conclusion!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Studied the Bible using the publications of the Watchtower as study aids and after conviction dedicated our lives to the God whom we learnt so many things about and symbolises our dedication by water immersion (bapstim)

We have explicit trust in God's Organization so we fully complied with all the rules of those God used to enlighten us and we are fully prepared to work with them in doing the work of our God. Act 2:42; 15:28-29

We believe that whoever doesn't study our God can't be a worshiper of our God {John 17:8-9} so we insist on studying with anyone and telling them all the rules guiding us before anyone is accepted as one of us. Matthew 28:20

We set times for going out to preach and teach about the coming Kingdom of our God {Act 1:8} and we assist one another by meeting regularly to encourage one another not to relent in this work that our Master, Lord and King assigned to us! Hebrews 10:24-25

We watch each other's back as brothers helping one another to stand up again if any should fall into sin! Luke 22:31-32

We shun unrepentant wrongdoers who don't want to continue living up to their vows in order not to be infected with the spirit of the world! 1Corinthians 5:12-13

So whoever humbly subjects himself to this same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} automatically becomes our brother/sister {Matthew 12:46-50} that we must love not like ourselves this time but as Jesus loves us! John 13:34-35

Shadeyinka thought isolated opinions is better than joint opinion in Christianity {John 17:20-23} but that's what we (JWs) always oppose as Satanic ideas, because by the end of the day Satan will promote division when it has to do with worshiping together in spirit and truth but when it's time for selfish reasonings Satan will support each person to pursue his own goal! Genesis 3:1-5

Thanks Shadeyinka for your time, effort and data.
May you have PEACE!

shadeyinka:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

" Shall" future tense.

So Trinity is false. He isn't even always a mighty God.

Image123:
Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It must be a glorious coincidence then that God alone is Elohim, Elohim being a plural for the Supreme God and whom He revealed Himself as.

Gen 22:8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. 

The Bible says God is One, Jwickedness say God is One person, it is a miracle you cannot see the addition. Was man made in the image of God or image of angels? They don't tell you these truths in the sad hall.

Image of whom did Jesus bear ?

CAPTIVATOR:
" Shall" future tense.

So Trinity is false. He isn't even always a mighty God.

Stupidity in full glare!

haddeylium:
Jesus said one of the identifying mark of his true followers is that : ' They will have the same line of thought and be in agreement

Can you say you're in agreement with your church members?

No sir!

John 13:35:
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."

Magnoliaa:
[color=deeppink]Bring your phone.

Goan rest![/color]

Thanks sis!
I will close the thread!

shadeyinka:
No sir!

John 13:35:
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."

My Brother is correct.
Can there be love and unity without agreement?
Amos 3:3, 1 Corinthians 1:10.

Image123:
Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It must be a glorious coincidence then that God alone is Elohim, Elohim being a plural for the Supreme God and whom He revealed Himself as.

Gen 22:8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. 

The Bible says God is One, Jwickedness say God is One person, it is a miracle you cannot see the addition. Was man made in the image of God or image of angels? They don't tell you these truths in the sad hall.

This Image Bros & GIBBERISH .
Elohim is a plural of majesty, NOT plural of persons. Go figure.

Genesis 1:26, Jehovah spoke to the spirit beings of Job 38:7 who witnessed creation & rejoiced at the creation of man.
Job 38:1-7 , argue with Almighty God. .

Genesis 1:27 Jehovah God is a HE.
Bros, 'HE' is how many spirits?
Is "HE, Himself" a plural ? .
Mumu everywhere.

Bros , you are referring to God as "HE, Himself".
Everywhere in the scriptures, God refers to Himself in singular terms.

Your Bible says God is one spirit person.
NOT plural / Triune spirits.
Jesus is the first born of every creature , living in the image of God just like every creature in heaven and earth.
The Bible and JWs are correct.

shadeyinka:
What a joke!
The Holy Spirit guide people and not non-living entities!
And I am consistent with Gal1:8-9.
Even if the leaders of ECWA or any denomination preach any other gospel other than that recorded in the scriptures let them be accursed!

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
"As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

If the Apostles can say this, it means no man is infallible not even your eight white old men at Warwick, NY

Bros , pls tell this forum.
what is the gospel of John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12?

Janosky:
Bros , pls tell this forum.
what is the gospel of John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12?

is the Holy Spirit an active force or person ?

shadeyinka:
Stupidity in full glare!

"Shall be called...."
E dey cause you sifia pains.
Bros, go remove that expression from your Bible.

malvisguy212:
is the Holy Spirit an active force or person ?

Did you see "holy spirit" in John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12?
Bros , pls tell this forum.
what is the gospel of John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12?