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obonujoker:
This question has lingered amongst many believers... Some believe there will be a secret rapture, and some do not... However what does the word of God say about the question?

Firstly... What does rapture mean? Rapture has many synonyms i.e caught up, snatched away, removed from.. the Bible states, a day will come when the Lord Jesus will come to remove his saints (the believers in the Earth), so that they can be with him forevermore. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

However does the Bible say this event will be secret to believers alone?

What exactly is the “secret Rapture” teaching? It is the teaching that the Christian church will be secretly removed from the world (to meet Jesus in the sky, where they will stay for years), so that the unbelievers who are left behind will not know where all the Christians have gone.

These unbelievers will be left on the earth to endure seven years of tribulation, which will be initiated by the Antichrist, who will be revealed only after the Rapture has taken place. The prophecies of the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven bowls (in the book of Revelation) will supposedly be fulfilled during the Tribulation.

What, then, does the Bible teach? At the time of Christ's ascension, the disciples were told that “this same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11).
His ascension was visible and physical; his second coming will likewise be visible and physical.

Matthew 24:21 & 31 teaches that the coming of Christ will be “as the lightning” (vs. 27), that “all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet” (vss. 30-31).

In addition to describing this event as noisy and visible to all the inhabitants of the earth, this passage also warns us against belief in a secret coming of Christ: “Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it” (vs. 23). And “if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it” (vs. 26). There will be no question about what has happened after Christ has returned.
People left behind will not be dreaming up explanations they will be mourning because their judgment has come

Also going against the theory of a secret Rapture is 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10, which teaches that two events will occur prior to the coming of Christ: (1) “the falling away” (or “the rebellion” [niv], or, literally, “the apostasy”) and (2) the revelation of “the man of sin” (vs. 3), who is generally identified with “the Antichrist” (1 John 2:18).
Now whether we understand the Antichrist as nothing more than the spirit of Antichrist (1 John 4:3; cf. 2:22 and 2 John 7), or as a particular individual, one thing is clear: this revelation of the Antichrist will occur prior to Christ's coming, not afterwards.

The passage that is most frequently used to substantiate the idea of a secret Rapture, with unbelievers being left behind, is Luke 17:31�37, which speaks of “two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left” (vs. 34). This passage does indeed teach that unbelievers will be left behind, but comparing Scripture with Scripture, we must conclude that those left behind are left behind to suffer judgment.

Unbelievers will not be left behind to go through a seven-year Tribulation and have a second chance to accept the Lord during that time. This idea of a second chance is emphasized again and again in Left Behind, but it is foreign to Scripture.

You can never enter heaven with your blood... You only overcome with the blood of the lamb, and by the words of your testimony (Jesus Christ).

Prepare!!!!

REFERENCE

https://opc.org/new_horizons/NH99/NH9907b.html

nkemoma:
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Rubbish post.

Anieke39:
stop fooling yourselves. there's nothing like rapture. you're saying rapture your mates are making money see your life.

reubenobi:
You must be kidding with this your write up. May God help you

MrPresident1:
fool

maximunimpact:
Hello bud, is this the new light on "the generation" that Jesus talked about? if yes can you please guide me to where i will get more details?

obonujoker:
This question has lingered amongst many believers... Some believe there will be a secret rapture, and some do not... However what does the word of God say about the question?

Firstly... What does rapture mean? Rapture has many synonyms i.e caught up, snatched away, removed from.. the Bible states, a day will come when the Lord Jesus will come to remove his saints (the believers in the Earth), so that they can be with him forevermore. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

However does the Bible say this event will be secret to believers alone?

What exactly is the “secret Rapture” teaching? It is the teaching that the Christian church will be secretly removed from the world (to meet Jesus in the sky, where they will stay for years), so that the unbelievers who are left behind will not know where all the Christians have gone.

These unbelievers will be left on the earth to endure seven years of tribulation, which will be initiated by the Antichrist, who will be revealed only after the Rapture has taken place. The prophecies of the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven bowls (in the book of Revelation) will supposedly be fulfilled during the Tribulation.

What, then, does the Bible teach? At the time of Christ's ascension, the disciples were told that “this same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11).
His ascension was visible and physical; his second coming will likewise be visible and physical.

Matthew 24:21 & 31 teaches that the coming of Christ will be “as the lightning” (vs. 27), that “all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet” (vss. 30-31).

In addition to describing this event as noisy and visible to all the inhabitants of the earth, this passage also warns us against belief in a secret coming of Christ: “Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it” (vs. 23). And “if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it” (vs. 26). There will be no question about what has happened after Christ has returned.
People left behind will not be dreaming up explanations they will be mourning because their judgment has come

Also going against the theory of a secret Rapture is 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10, which teaches that two events will occur prior to the coming of Christ: (1) “the falling away” (or “the rebellion” [niv], or, literally, “the apostasy”) and (2) the revelation of “the man of sin” (vs. 3), who is generally identified with “the Antichrist” (1 John 2:18).
Now whether we understand the Antichrist as nothing more than the spirit of Antichrist (1 John 4:3; cf. 2:22 and 2 John 7), or as a particular individual, one thing is clear: this revelation of the Antichrist will occur prior to Christ's coming, not afterwards.

The passage that is most frequently used to substantiate the idea of a secret Rapture, with unbelievers being left behind, is Luke 17:31�37, which speaks of “two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left” (vs. 34). This passage does indeed teach that unbelievers will be left behind, but comparing Scripture with Scripture, we must conclude that those left behind are left behind to suffer judgment.

Unbelievers will not be left behind to go through a seven-year Tribulation and have a second chance to accept the Lord during that time. This idea of a second chance is emphasized again and again in Left Behind, but it is foreign to Scripture.

You can never enter heaven with your blood... You only overcome with the blood of the lamb, and by the words of your testimony (Jesus Christ).

Prepare!!!!

REFERENCE

https://opc.org/new_horizons/NH99/NH9907b.html

beges:
Mr man.I only read your last line.how can you say that the book of revelations was written to know the past...well people like you are needed on earth after rapture to explain it away.

specialmati:
nawa oo try reading the bible with understanding rapture is an illusion like you said thats what you think.read that john 3:16 again there is a choice to make there. and if the bible said there will be rapture who are you to say its an illusion mere mortal

Anieke39:
stop fooling yourselves. there's nothing like rapture. you're saying rapture your mates are making money see your life.

MaxInDHouse:
The word RAPTURE doesn't appear in any part of the Bible, but if you mean the taking away of the Born again Christians who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven then the answer to your question is YES!
The angel who spoke to Jesus' disciples when he left the earth said something that most people don't notice, he said "This Jesus that's taken away from you will return in the same manner" Act 1:11
Jesus left the earth unannounced, after his death none believers never saw him again only his faithful disciples continue seeing him until his final departure! John 14:19
What confused most Bible readers is where God's word says "Look he is coming with the clouds and every eye will see him and those who pierced him: and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves beat themselves in grief because of him. YES Amen! Revelations 1:7

If you're not careful and intelligent you'll miss the colored part that says "those who pierced him" of course those who pierced Jesus are dead so they can't possibly see him so what does this mean?

Well it simply means all what Jesus prophesied that will take place when he returns to take his chosen ones home will be felt by all the inhabitants of the earth (including the Jews who don't believe Jesus till today) Yes everyone will feel the presence of Jesus as everything he said is happening one after the other!

Jesus has returned since 1914 and ever since then the earth has been experiencing all what he said @ Matthew 24, most of his chosen ones have been taken away from the earth, the great tribulation is about to begin but first the rest of his chosen ones who are still alive will complete their earthly mission! Matthew 24:22

After the last one of them dies and is transformed immediately, the great tribulation will begin. This is surely not palatable but it's the truth!

obonujoker:
This question has lingered amongst many believers... Some believe there will be a secret rapture, and some do not... However what does the word of God say about the question?

Firstly... What does rapture mean? Rapture has many synonyms i.e caught up, snatched away, removed from.. the Bible states, a day will come when the Lord Jesus will come to remove his saints (the believers in the Earth), so that they can be with him forevermore. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

However does the Bible say this event will be secret to believers alone?

What exactly is the “secret Rapture” teaching? It is the teaching that the Christian church will be secretly removed from the world (to meet Jesus in the sky, where they will stay for years), so that the unbelievers who are left behind will not know where all the Christians have gone.

These unbelievers will be left on the earth to endure seven years of tribulation, which will be initiated by the Antichrist, who will be revealed only after the Rapture has taken place. The prophecies of the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven bowls (in the book of Revelation) will supposedly be fulfilled during the Tribulation.

What, then, does the Bible teach? At the time of Christ's ascension, the disciples were told that “this same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11).
His ascension was visible and physical; his second coming will likewise be visible and physical.

Matthew 24:21 & 31 teaches that the coming of Christ will be “as the lightning” (vs. 27), that “all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet” (vss. 30-31).

In addition to describing this event as noisy and visible to all the inhabitants of the earth, this passage also warns us against belief in a secret coming of Christ: “Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it” (vs. 23). And “if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it” (vs. 26). There will be no question about what has happened after Christ has returned.
People left behind will not be dreaming up explanations they will be mourning because their judgment has come

Also going against the theory of a secret Rapture is 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10, which teaches that two events will occur prior to the coming of Christ: (1) “the falling away” (or “the rebellion” [niv], or, literally, “the apostasy”) and (2) the revelation of “the man of sin” (vs. 3), who is generally identified with “the Antichrist” (1 John 2:18).
Now whether we understand the Antichrist as nothing more than the spirit of Antichrist (1 John 4:3; cf. 2:22 and 2 John 7), or as a particular individual, one thing is clear: this revelation of the Antichrist will occur prior to Christ's coming, not afterwards.

The passage that is most frequently used to substantiate the idea of a secret Rapture, with unbelievers being left behind, is Luke 17:31�37, which speaks of “two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left” (vs. 34). This passage does indeed teach that unbelievers will be left behind, but comparing Scripture with Scripture, we must conclude that those left behind are left behind to suffer judgment.

Unbelievers will not be left behind to go through a seven-year Tribulation and have a second chance to accept the Lord during that time. This idea of a second chance is emphasized again and again in Left Behind, but it is foreign to Scripture.

You can never enter heaven with your blood... You only overcome with the blood of the lamb, and by the words of your testimony (Jesus Christ).

Prepare!!!!

REFERENCE

https://opc.org/new_horizons/NH99/NH9907b.html

MightySparrow:
Jesus came secretly, only JWs saw Him.
1914 theory is baseless. The 607 BCE or so and Nebuchadnezzar's tree doesn't make any historical or scriptural sense. Professor Furuli, your authority on Assyriology is not a scholar at all.

pozehnani:
Nothing like secret rapture. It will be in the news and all media when it happens due to the sudden disappearance of the saints.

Sorry though I didn't read the content of your post. Just reacting to the caption.

ENIGMATIC2023:
Accept Jesus Christ Now before it is too late

MaxInDHouse:
Here you are!
You are hungry, nobody brought you something to eat but you see a full house of people eating, dinning and winning with LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the air. And all you have to say is
"the food is not nourishing, in fact it's poison"

Of all the religious groups on this planet the one and only group having all the attributes God's word foretold regarding true servants of God during the end time is JWs. You don't even have any to present yet you're looking for excuses to condemn the only living proof of the blueprint of the Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 compare to Micah 4:1-3
What is the difference between you and the first century Jewish religious leaders that condemned Jesus and his disciples?
Well whether you like it or not millions are solidly behind the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses saying "We will go with you people because we have heard that God is with you people" Zachariah 8:23
You can say the same to your Daddy GOs or better still go and find Jews to whom you can say the same thing, just be rest assured that this prophecy is undergoing fulfilment presently and there is nothing absolutely NOTHING you or your father the Devil can do to stop it!

MightySparrow:
It is pitiable that you left the confusion of Islam to enter another of JWs. You go and research yourself. I told you before: you could be a captive of what you are defending.


About three years ago, Jess trying to study end - time events. I took the Seven Days Adventists, Islam, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, Bishop Malachy of Catholic, JWs Pay Attention to Prophecy of Daniel and that of Isaiah, of some others at the background from earlier knowledge from Lindsays' ( I know you don't read outside your self acclaimed organisation) and world history texts and internet. I discovered some discrepancies in JWs chronological arrangements and biased interpretation.
I called a fellow friend, who is a full time JWs friend, we study the Bible together, Saturdays. I tried to point to him. He reacted the same way you are doing now (Not with insult like yours anyways).
In my search, I stumbled upon a treatise written by a JWs to your GB. That led to his disfellowshipment. That doesn't change the truth.
I still wish you well in your delusion. You are always posting with pride about your organisation. Fine, I once told you in a thread that whatever comes to you first is the best. I was like that. I still question some doctrines of where I am, but still feel safe. You too, try and do same. I am not claiming we are the most special group.So many Christians leaders have taught errors before. I still research.
Stop being living in delusion. I now most of you fear being disfellowshiped. Disfellowship? In Christs Church?
He said he would do the separation Himself. No special body is authorised to do that. It is all delusion, Sir!

paxonel:
brother, i guarantee you like someone who read all through the bible no rapture in that book, believe me.
I attend a Pentecostal church too, but i don't need to argue that with anyone in my church.

I used to believe there was rapture in the bible until i started reading it myself.

All those scriptures that seems to be like rapture were all refering to something else.
For instance,
Matthew 24 was Jesus listing the signs of his coming to his disciples, there is nothing rapture there.
1 Corinthians 15 Paul explained resurrection of the dead if you read that chapter from verse 35 to the end, there is nothing rapture there

See, all you need to do is, just read the whole chapter and draw a conclusion

MaxInDHouse:
The word RAPTURE doesn't appear in any part of the Bible, so none of those you mentioned said the word RAPTURE!

StreetFight:
So where do these people get this RAPTURE they are talking about from? I want to learn please.

obonujoker:
God is going to punish the wicked humans that decide to follow the devil on Earth with bowls of his wrath... Before he starts, Jesus Christ will come to remove his chosen ones from the Earth ... This is what is called the rapture

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
When he is doing the separation work how would you know?
Or do you think he will come and announce to you?
People are leaving different religious settings from various geographical locations on this planet and forming one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} and you're here saying Jesus the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} will do the separation by himself.
So you think it's just the 8 men in America that's doing all these by their own initiative?
Now i know the full meaning and impact of unbelieving Spirit!

MightySparrow:
You are a smart guy. You can dodge real issues. Well done. 2 Pet 1: 20