Myer:

Actually the 2 keys to salvation for an unbeliever according to the Bible are Faith and Humility (Merkness).
Actually it is just Faith.
But also Humility because God resists the proud.
Righteoness is imputed on one who has faith (believes God) such as Abraham. Galatians 3:6, 15:6
Your claim that any group of worshippers who practise righteousness is a proof of God's existence is faulty simply on the basis that even non Christians practise Righteousness. In fact Islam exalts righteousness more than the Christianity of our generation does.

The bolded shows you don't understand what the Bible means by the phrase "righteousness of God" Romans 10:2-3
Of course all the peoples on the planet do practice one form of righteousness or the other but the only people God called his own people are those living by his own standards. My friend that's where you missed it! Exodus 19:5-6

Confucianism, Buddhism and even some of our local traditional religions exalt righteousness more than what we see in Christianity today.
As much as I would like to believe that all religions that practise righteousness are godly, we both know that Christianity doesn't preach that.
As long as their righteousness is without faith in Jesus Christ, they are hellbound.
Here in lies the fault in your preaching of JW as a body that practises righteousness.

@ John 3:16 God's word made it clear that all those who failed to believe in Jesus will perish but instead of you to learn from the true Christians (JWs) you keep confusing yourself with what misinformed churchgoers are saying.
Well let me tell you that God's standard totally differs from the standard of the world, you must humble yourself to learn it not just presume how it should be.
So when you're ready to know why only Christian will live forever in PARADISE i'll TEACH you! John 17:3

The only confirmation and attestation to God's existence both scripturally and according to human reasoning is the Power of the Holyspirit that confirms every word of the scriptures.
Unfortunately your denomination/organisation believes the purpose of the Holyspirit was simply to produce the Bible and now the Holy spirit does not perform anything else.
You be the judge, what then separates you from every other religion when you do not belueve nor manifest the powers of the Holyspirit as expressed in the Bible.

This is why you continue to mix everything up as if you must set standard for God, don't worry you will soon become an atheist!
God has purpose why he performs miraculous signs but you're insisting He must prove himself to you whereas he already has more than enough worshipers WITNESSES globally.
Churchgoers will tell you they're worshiping the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. They want that God to perform wonders in their favour but what was the FAITH of these three Hebrews back then? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego never expected God to rescue them from trouble, they knew he can but whether he chooses to or not their FAITH in Him remains unshakable!
Daniel 3:16-18
You are now expecting that same God to use you in healing sick yet you don't even know the difference between His righteousness and that of the world! Matthew 16:4, 12:39
JEHOVAH doesn't need people like you who feels He must show them favour before they worship him, he cherishes faithful people who knew that there must be a distinction between worshipers of God and unbelievers and are fervently paying rapt attention to know such difference! John 20:29

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded shows you don't understand what the Bible means by the phrase "righteousness of God" Romans 10:2-3
Of course all the peoples on the planet do practice one form of righteousness or the other but the only people God called his own people are those living by his own standards. My friend that's where you missed it! Exodus 19:5-6



@ John 3:16 God's word made it clear that all those who failed to believe in Jesus will perish but instead of you to learn from the true Christians (JWs) you keep confusing yourself with what misinformed churchgoers are saying.
Well let me tell you that God's standard totally differs from the standard of the world, you must humble yourself to learn it not just presume how it should be.
So when you're ready to know why only Christian will live forever in PARADISE i'll TEACH you! John 17:3


This is why you continue to mix everything up as if you must set standard for God, don't worry you will soon become an atheist!
God has purpose why he performs miraculous signs but you're insisting He must prove himself to you whereas he already has more than enough worshipers WITNESSES globally.
Churchgoers will tell you they're worshiping the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. They want that God to perform wonders in their favour but what was the FAITH of these three Hebrews back then? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego never expected God to rescue them from trouble, they knew he can but whether he chooses to or not their FAITH in Him remains unshakable!
Daniel 3:16-18
You are now expecting that same God to use you in healing sick yet you don't even know the difference between His righteousness and that of the world! Matthew 16:4, 12:39
JEHOVAH doesn't need people like you who feels He must show them favour before they worship him, he cherishes faithful people who knew that there must be a distinction between worshipers of God and unbelievers and are fervently paying rapt attention to know such difference! John 20:29

May you have PEACE!

Are you better than Moses? Who demanded that God shows him signs before people can believe him?
Which God constantly obliged to?

Or are you better than Jesus who himself said people will not believe unless they see signs?

Yes, faith is best when it does not wait for signs but neither God nor Jesus deprived people of signs when they demanded for it. Except fir the Pharisees.

Even his own disciple Thomas asked for signs and he showed him.

Myer:

Does religion work? I'd say yes.

I love your thread because it shows mind use.
I love this particular post a lot.

Questions

How do you define religion, and what works about it?

Myer:

Are you better than Moses? Who demanded that God shows him signs before people can believe him?
Which God constantly obliged to?

God called Moses Sir so Moses was right to have asked for back up.

Or are you better than Jesus who himself said people will not believe unless they see signs?

Jesus wasn't talking about the signs for his listeners to believe his teachings Sir, rather he's talking about the signs God promised Israelites that they will see when the Messiah is around! Matthew 11:2-5

Yes, faith is best when it does not wait for signs but neither God nor Jesus deprived people of signs when they demanded for it. Except fir the Pharisees.
Even his own disciple Thomas asked for signs and he showed him.

Please remind me the name of that disciple who didn't even believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite all what Jesus taught them?
So our faith surpasses that of Thomas Sir!

MaxInDHouse:

God called Moses Sir so Moses was right to have asked for back up.


Jesus wasn't talking about the signs for his listeners to believe his teachings Sir, rather he's talking about the signs God promised Israelites that they will see when the Messiah is around! Matthew 11:2-5


Please remind me the name of that disciple who didn't even believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite all what Jesus taught them?
So our faith surpasses that of Thomas Sir!

Smh

That's divine wisdom for you {Isaiah 54:17} we silence the cunning ones with God's word {Job 5:13} but try not to hate us! John 15:19

Myer:


Smh

budaatum:


And you are a buda quoter with a God obsession, but I bet you think you are different to us.

Are you a child?

You are not the only one I have quoted before.
You are wrong when you say I am obsessed.
Ultimately, you are not capable of proving what cannot be true.

budaatum:

I love your thread because it shows mind use.
I love this particular post a lot.

Questions

How do you define religion, and what works about it?

You love the post even though you don't know what he/she means by religion.
Splendid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Myer:


I'm interested in your philosophy of life.

Do you believe there's God? If not, what's your belief?

Gods are imaginary.
They don't really exist.
They are just like Spiderman, Superman,Hulk,Flash, Batman,etc.
I consider life as the manner in which different species carry out different activities.
The manner in which different species carry out different activities is an absurdity.
Life is an absurdity.
Life has no purpose.
There is no reason for the manner in which different species carry out different activities.
Different species carry out different activities anyhow.

Myer:


But the interpretation I'm getting wrong here is still the work of the Holy spirit.
How can I believe I'm wrong when you've not been a witness to the Power of the Holyspirit?

You claim Paul was not referring to signs and miracles, what of Jesus Christ?

I have explained to you and also asked you to show where the scriptures pointed to a miracle worker being same as the PR guy or social media journalist. Point to one. All healing and miracles are reported by spectators, recipients etc. Hence why I advise you that if you want what you are asking for you must follow the path of needing healing? Spectator?.

Bro, don't major on the minor and end up losing both ways.

HellVictorinho:

You are not the only one I have quoted before.
You are wrong when you say I am obsessed.
Ultimately, you are not capable of proving what cannot be true.

I don't need to prove anything to you! Use your own mind and eyes to prove things for yourself.

budaatum:

I don't need to prove anything to you! Use your own mind and eyes to prove things for yourself.

You have to prove what you said about me because I don't agree.

HellVictorinho:

You have to prove what you said about me because I don't agree.

That's okay. You don't have to agree. After all, it won't be the first time so what's different now?

budaatum:

That's okay. You don't have to agree. After all, it won't be the first time so what's different now?

Since I don't agree,don't tell anyone anything like that concerning me.
Don't tell me anything like that.
Period.

HellVictorinho:

Since I don't agree,don't tell anyone anything like that concerning me.
Don't tell me anything like that.
Period.

Are you telling me what I should or should not do Hell? You do know you can pluck your eyes out so you do not see what I say, right?

budaatum:

I love your thread because it shows mind use.
I love this particular post a lot.

Questions

How do you define religion, and what works about it?

Thanks Buda.
However, I don't have my definition, just the same generic one.

Religion: The belief in a deity or deities and the activities that accompany such belief.

Of course the bible defines true religion as the acts of charity to orphans and widows. James 1;27

My question to you is, does faifh work?

If you believe faith works then you should believe that if one places their faith in any religion, it just may work for them.

HellVictorinho:

Gods are imaginary.
They don't really exist.
They are just like Spiderman, Superman,Hulk,Flash, Batman,etc.
I consider life as the manner in which different species carry out different activities.
The manner in which different species carry out different activities is an absurdity.
Life is an absurdity.
Life has no purpose.
There is no reason for the manner in which different species carry out different activities.
Different species carry out different activities anyhow.

Well, that's a school of thought.
But I believe atheists have their philosophy of life.
How then do you explain your existence, nature, family, etc?

I would rather not derail this topic but interested in your own philosophy?
How do you make sense of life?

Myer:


Well, that's a school of thought.
But I believe atheists have their philosophy of life.
How then do you explain your existence, nature, family, etc?

I would rather not derail this topic but interested in your own philosophy?
How do you make sense of life?

I just exist.
There is nothing to explain here except biological processes that happen by chance.
No one can make sense of life.
You can only live anyhow possible till you die.

Myer:


Thanks Buda.
However, I don't have my definition, just the same generic one.

Religion: The belief in a deity or deities and the activities that accompany such belief.

Of course the bible defines true religion as the acts of charity to orphans and widows. James 1;27

My question to you is, does faifh work?

If you believe faith works then you should believe that if one places their faith in any religion, it just may work for them.

The Bible that defines the so-called true religion as bla bla bla also says God created light before the stars.
What nonsense!!!!!!!!!!

budaatum:


Are you telling me what I should or should not do Hell? You do know you can pluck your eyes out so you do not see what I say, right?

You shouldn't say nonsense about me unless you are mentally deranged!!!!!!
If your brain is that damaged,then it means there's nothing that can stop you from exhibiting such needless behavior except death.
In fact, this is one of the reasons why life is absurd.
budaatum just decides to tell lies about someone for no reason whatsoever and budaatum is unwilling to stop lying because budaatum doesn't have loaded guns directed at budaatum's brain and that of budaatum's children.
There's no grammar that budaatum can use to show that budaatum doesn't deserve to be shot in the head for saying Hell Victorinho is something that Hell Victorinho detests.

hoopernikao:


I have explained to you and also asked you to show where the scriptures pointed to a miracle worker being same as the PR guy or social media journalist. Point to one. All healing and miracles are reported by spectators, recipients etc. Hence why I advise you that if you want what you are asking for you must follow the path of needing healing? Spectator?.

Bro, don't major on the minor and end up losing both ways.

I showed you Jesus when he addressed Jonh's disciples.

Are you like 2 years old?

HellVictorinho:

You shouldn't say nonsense about me unless you are mentally deranged!!!!!!
If your brain is that damaged,then it means there's nothing that can stop you from exhibiting such needless behavior except death.
In fact, this is one of the reasons why life is absurd.
budaatum just decides to tell lies about someone for no reason whatsoever and budaatum is unwilling to stop lying because budaatum doesn't have loaded guns directed at budaatum's brain and that of budaatum's children.
There's no grammar that budaatum can use to show that budaatum doesn't deserve to be shot in the head for saying Hell Victorinho is something that Hell Victorinho detests.

Myer:


Thanks Buda.
However, I don't have my definition, just the same generic one.

Religion: The belief in a deity or deities and the activities that accompany such belief.

Of course the bible defines true religion as the acts of charity to orphans and widows. James 1;27

You could have chosen a verse that defines religion as belief, or faith, or lots of other things, but I am glad you chose James, because it implies work. It's like in my favorite Parable of the Orangutan of whom Jesus says "go and do likewise".

Religion is a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements. However, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Myer:
My question to you is, does faith work?

If you believe faith works then you should believe that if one places their faith in any religion, it just may work for them.

I am not a believing person myself, so my faith must rest on tested facts. I, for instance, would not have faith in a bridge built to span water unless it is built by a engineer, whose competence I would not just believe but check credentials and references. It is what is meant by [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A24-27&version=KJV]building faith on rocks so the storm does not wash one's faith away[/url].

Any faith built on rocks will work. And most religions have rocky foundations though most think their religion is the only religion built on rocks.

Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid, is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept. In the context of religion, one can define faith as "belief in a god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion". Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant, while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.

I have posted the wiki definitions to point out the ambiguity and lack of consensus of such words depending on who is defining them.

budaatum:
Are you like 2 years old?

Are you mad?

HellVictorinho:


Are you mad?

Are you too mad to tell the difference?

budaatum:


Are you too mad to tell the difference?

Bla Bla Bla.

HellVictorinho:


Bla Bla Bla.

Like the 2 year old that you are.

budaatum:

Like the 2 year old that you are.

Like the mad person you are.

HellVictorinho:

Like the mad person you are.

I'll tell you what's funny. I still have immense faith in you hell that your eyes will open so that you see that you are the future.

You, will not die young.

Myer:


I showed you Jesus when he addressed Jonh's disciples.

You didn't read Jesus word properly Sir.

Matthew 11:4
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

He wasn't giving testimony.

Read the bold again.
They heard and saw. So you will do the hearing and seeing, hence start going from one church to another and spectate so as to gather your conviction.
. In fact if you read properly you will know that Jesus was actually scolding John and his disciples.

So, if you want to be as John's disciples go on the streets of men and start investigating and looking for the power of God so as to be convinced.

No where is the miracle worker giving PR of His miracles. Not even Paul or Peter or any of the apostles. No such practice. Such PR is left for the unbelievers.

hoopernikao:


You didn't read Jesus word properly Sir.

Matthew 11:4
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

He wasn't giving testimony.

Read the bold again.
They heard and saw. So you will do the hearing and seeing, hence start going from one church to another and spectate so as to gather your conviction.
. In fact if you read properly you will know that Jesus was actually scolding John and his disciples.

So, if you want to be as John's disciples go on the streets of men and start investigating and looking for the power of God so as to be convinced.

No where is the miracle worker giving PR of His miracles. Not even Paul or Peter or any of the apostles. No such practice. Such PR is left for the unbelievers.

Lol he even scolded them in your own bible?

Like I said earlier, you already have all it takes to be a fine politician.
Well, I'll take your posts as your testimony. Shikena

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest but spiritual pride will not kill you. I hope you said a big amen to that.

Have a good night.

Myer:


Lol he even scolded them in your own bible?

Like I said earlier, you already have all it takes to be a fine politician.
Well, I'll take your posts as your testimony. Shikena

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest but spiritual pride will not kill you. I hope you said a big amen to that.

Have a good night.

Read your statement below.

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest JUDGEMENT
spiritual pride will not kill you JUDGEMENT
already have all it takes to be a fine politician. JUDGEMENT


I choose to point to your straws above since you claimed you are being judged.
You could see that the reason you complained of being judged, felt unease and started throwing straws was because you are full of judgement.

AMEN
I tried to big the Amen o but e no gree big...