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This has turned to cyber warfare. It seems millitary and its gadgets will soon become something of the past. Its getting interesting.
As at press time Mastercard can't process. Whoz next?.

Quote from Kobo

Espionage or spying involves an individual obtaining information that is considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information. Espionage is inherently clandestine, lest the legitimate holder of the information change plans or take other countermeasures once it is known that the information is in unauthorized hands.

Doesn't this your quote apply to Hillary Clinton for her directive to obtain secret info witout permission from UN diplomats.

I believe you will come up with another name for it since it involved "Our Dear US and Clinton"

trooperz:
@OYB you forgot to mention Aids & grants (grant -in- aid)

n pl grants-in-aid

1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sum of money granted by one government to a lower level of government or to a dependency for a programme, etc.
2. (Social Science / Education) Education a grant provided by the central government or local education authority to ensure consistent standards in buildings and other facilities,
e.g. China gives $2,000,000,000 grants to Nigeria to combat the AIDs epidemic !, Nigeria dint ask for it but will gladly receive such funds.

But for every gift, there is a price abi? Nigeria by default will gladly let the Chinese come into the domestic market and do business. Ensuring the business

Did Chinese Govt not made such fund available for that purpose? The Grant as you said has its portion in Chinese Budget and it will be accounted for at the end of the fiscal yr. Sometimes we deserve what we get from our govt. if a citizen can make this comment of yours. Tomorrow you will come out and complain how bad all the fed roads are yet you are in support of $50k transport money from Abj to Lag. You are a disgrace to to your family.

seanet02:
Beaf, are you dead?

Sounds like Umaru Umaru are you dead by OBJ. Beaf proves IBB(Nigerian youth comment) correct everyday on this board.

But $50,000USD can conveniently build a 6 classroom block. This shows that the money used to grease palms in Aso rock in a day will do wonders to Nigerian dilapidated infrastructure.

Justwise,

It will be nice if you read well b4 you reply. Did i mention 3rd world country anywhere in my post. I think your mind is pre-conditioned already so no need discusing. You and Elrazor asked any good this leak will bring i answered with the case of iran but you never mentioned it in your last post. Was it an oversight?

justwise:
No serious TV company will ever illegaly get hold of CLASSIFIED govt secret cable and went on and publish it. You don't seems to get it.

But those serious TV companies will publish from a 3rd party. I did not get this news from wiki mind you. If its illegal its illegal. Why is BBC and the rest broadcasting it to the whole world. They could have said "no we don't broadcast such the news is illegal or itz from an illegal source".

Justwise,

Their is boundary between Diplomacy and Spying. Have you asked yourself why US exchanged prisoners with Russia some months ago.

Julian did not hack any system, he just published info he got just like BBC, Sky and RT are doing with the info wiki released. I don't know what you are on about hacking.

B4 me and u were born, govt around the world does their businesses like this, its no big deal and now one homeless animal thinks its ok to steal it and sell it.

Does that make it right? Is the question not how long itz been happening. You are clearly missing the point.

ElRazur
Yes it will cause more harm and at the same time we know who is back stabbing who. The Arab league will tell Iran that they are in support of their nuclear whatever but will get behind and tell US to Bomb Iran. Why not let Iran to know their stand abnitio to avoid any confrontation with anybody. Don't you think Iran might be doing strong head on the believe that her Arab brothers are behind whatever they are doing while what they are seeking is Iran distruction.

justwise:
Any evidence to prove that UN sec passwords were actually stolen?

Hahahaha you have switched to evidence.

And how do you know what Iranian FM directed his own security agents to do?
Govts around the world has one or two pple working for them and the means of gathering info is something no outside-eye sees. Julian Assage did this for  his own financial again. You seems to be very naive about the whole issue.

Is he a registered charity? I don't think so,

[/quote]How will countries share info again after this? Many countries fight all sorts of crime including terriorism through intelligent sharing.[quote]

After sharing that intelligent you spy on them, it shows you don't trust them.  Why should i share intelligent with you when i know you have no trust on me. It makes me silly.

Has any country come out to support him? You really must be kidding.

Do you think they will put it in CNN or BBC to show their support. Obviously they won't support him but they will watch their back from now on. Why mock the person that gives you info?

Dude this is not about US. Nations are back stabbing each other, Melvin King leak is on the news now, Russia and other countries will see their leak soonest.

Meanwhile you refused to answer my question about the legality of stealing password. Was it an oversight?

$50k for transport? , may be they want to go right round the world 10 times before getting to Lagos or wherever they came from.

@ Beaf

When Sahara report in favour GJ they are credible but when against they become bear parlour. You are proving IBB right with his "Nigerian Youths are not ready yet" mantra.

Justwise,

Is it legal to collect/Steal the UN Sec. Password, biometric date and all what not without his consent?. How will you feel if this directive was given by Iranian FM to Iranian diplomats.

Dude their is a boundry between Diplomacy and Spying.

Melvin King BoE Gov's own is on BBC right now. Many head will role.

justwise:
Every govt does what u called 'spy' Do you know what other diploma said about USA govt? freelance journalist don't go about hacking into any private system, its a crime in many countries, how about hacking into or stealing cable from the Russians?

Did anybody say they hacked into any system? Ok hacking is crime but eavesdropping is no crime, I wonder why Obama's SOS apologised.

Don't worry about Russia and others, their own leaks are underway.

The Good of the leak is that everybody will now know that we leave in an unjust world.

justwise:
now this trust has been shattered.

Who shattered the trust? Wiki of those who spy on "trusted" allies. Wiki guys did their job as freelance journalist. If you blame wiki you must blame bbc panaroma for Amodu's suspension. They gave us news any other unbiased news agent would have given us.

Ally makes no meaning if you can't trust each other to the extent of spying.

justwise:
Well. . he has to prepare to face the music, cos the chase is on for him now.

Do you think that killing him will stop wiki? That guy might just be a front you know. Moreover he knew the consequence before going ahead.

I think Nigeria contested against Nigeria so Nigeria won.
I don't see Nigeria winning against Niger or Chap

Abeg change the tittle in-line with the score line.
Even Arsenal cannot open legs wide like this.

ElRazur:
Smh. I am not an apologist of the west jare. I have explained my reasons. I support the leaks, but concerned about[b] what good it is in the long run[/b]. Surely, this position of mine is obvious?

The Good is that US allies will realise that US don't always means what it portrays.

Can you believe it that last week or so some RT news reporters was arrested by Georgian state police and fined while covering a demostrati on at the "US school of Assassin". Non of the western news media reported it why? it happened in US. If such happened in China, Russia, Zimbabwe or Iran all the western news media will make a documentary about it.

Ok i can see where you are coming from but then why should the Saudi prince advice US on such if he actually what peace. US striking Iran won't bring peace, if he want peace he should have seeked a diplomatic way of resolving the issue on ground. Now Iran will see Saudi, Bahrain and Jordan as enemy which is normal if at all this leak is spot on.

There is no Good war and there is no Bad peace.

Dude i don't see the leak as problematic rather i see Hillary Clinton espionage attitude on other UN diplomats as problematic. If she did not spy on others wikileak won't get anything to leak. If Obama didn't comment negatively about UK and hers troops in Afghan and Iraq Wikileak won't have anything to leak.
So where is the problem now? me reporting what you said or you saying such thing.

Are you telling me that others diplomats will be happy with Clinton? i don't think so. Spying on you ally shows lack of trust.

ElRazur:
You may be missing my point here. I have no problem with Freedom of Press, what I have a problem with is when Freedom of press becomes problematic or interfering. That is what I am saying. I already gave examples to illustrate this.

You have no argument here, problematic or interfering makes no diff as far as freedom of press is consigned. Anything you released to the press effects somebody in one way or the other. You are only saying that you have a problem with freedom of the press when its problematic to US and her allies and not the other way round. Lets take for instance that this leak is on Iran, Hezbollah or North Korea will you be consigned to this extent? No cus it gives you the info you want to hear about those consigned to tag them more towards negativity. In that case its not a problem to you.

We all know it will not change anything topically but within themselves many comments will be reserved. Relation, correspondence and sharing of info will definitely change.

ElRazur:
You may have a point, but don't these people "represent their people"?

Just like Ahamedijan represent the entire Iran.

ElRazur:
At when does freedom become endangerment?
The freedom of the press in the UK have lead to reporting crap on people's personal lives - Rooney, Ashely cole, Wenger etc. What interest this type of story serves to the public?
While I respect freedom of speech, I am not entirely convinced that what this guy is doing is 100% good.

Freedom of press cannot be interpreted in two or three diff ways. If this leak is against Iran i don't think you will question.

They can kill or kidnap the guy if they want. What happends to freedom of press.?

US Cables describes the inappropriate behaviour by "member of the royal family"

hahaha this wikki guy is creating enemity from every angle.

I use to know that Niger Delta in Nigerian "Political or Oil Geography" comprises of states from the SE,SW and SS. However anytime Nigerian disintegration is being discused here some folks will always argue that Niger Delta will not go with SE. Does it mean that if Nigeria dis intigrate today Imo and Abia(Niger Delta) will not go with SE and Ondo(Niger Delta) will not go with SW according to those making such claims.

I need a clarification on this pls.

HNIC:
Alladyce don do deal with his best friend SAF

No longer Refs. and FA. Now itz SAM who will be next David Cameron or Queen Eliza

how much dude

nazzyon:
The performance in this match will serve as a warning to the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, may be City and Tottenham Hotspurs.

dipo2much:
Blackburn is selling 3 points. Chimbonda musta bn paid well for that pass to berbatov. they keep passin d ball to roonie

4llerbuntu:
i see allardyce is still bent on playing accord matches with fergie. wonder what the mumu recieves in return.

Its no longer the Ref and FA its Big Sam and Chimboda now. Who will these losers accuse next, climate change i guess or snow in NW Scotland? .

So whats the situation report for the road after 1 yr.

dayokanu:
GAYYners are jumping ship already?

If any club will take them cus they(fans) are 90% of the problem in Arsenal team. When mad people become your fan you will surely behave like them.

debosky:
Berba and Obertan.

Is like Braga second goal hit your brain first b4 going in. Why not include SAF .

Una last game is winnable considering your opponent and for the fact that they have not taken any point from any of your group teams. I see arsenal going far in this CL.

dipo2much:
now that djourou playd ahead of kos, what difference.
I keep on tellin u pps that Kos shits on djourou anyday

Thatz to say that Djourou na aboki shit. But in Wengers world he is world class.

Na waah for Arsenal ooh, Is wenger not the prof again?

Its long time i read some thing like this "IN WENGER WE TRUST" What happened to the line or Mantra.