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For instance, your religious books describe Alexander the great as a devout Muslims even though he was recorded to be a homosexual pagan?

Or the claim that anybody that worships or submits to one God before Mohamed was a devout Muslim this includes zoro astrians who we know have nothing to do with Abrahamic religion. Infact, we are told that Mohamed and his successors gave special status to zoro astrains because they only worshiped one God and their families and properties were not destroyed like those of other non Muslims.


How about, the claim that early Christians were Muslims and that Jesus wrote a gospel called the injeel. Islam conveniently claims both have disappeared from the surface of the earth. We constantly find artifacts from civilisations as far back as Sumerians, but nothing on the claims islam ever makes. Would it not ne nice to discover something that can be carbon dated back to those periods with Islamic inscriptions or writings or something.

Also the claim of Mohammed visiting the temple in Jeruslame on a flying horse even though we know for sure that at the time of Mohamed, the temple was only but ruined.

Those this not bother you. The only proof your religion has is that the trinity does not make sense to human understanding which is not really a proof because u don't know what God is like.


I didn't even mentions some of the silly claims like the devil lives in your nose when u sleep or that a Flys wings contains poison and antidotes.
The prophet said alot of silly things in his life time I don't want to even go Into.

Just30:
a road to nowhere

it actually leads to the south western quadrant of the lekki free zone where the Dangote Petrochemical chemical and fertilizer is located.
This project will be just as successful as the one in Kenya. The one in ghana, however looks like it failed. No new clients or infrastructure foe over 4 years now.

Guess the location??

Qasim6:
Lol

U are already even making conclusions.

Let's say there is no verse where Jesus was reported to have described a messanger coming after him as a prophet to all mankind.

There is a verse where Jesus is described to have given good news of Ahmad as prophet after him.

There is another verse that describe Ahmad as prophet to all mankind.

The prophet was also reported to have said
I have been given five things which were not given to any other prophet including, “…Every prophet would be sent to his nation exclusively, but I have been sent to all mankind.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

And Jesus was reported to have said
"I am only sent to the lost sheep of house of Israel"

You can connect the dot..

The questions still begs, why is Jesus message called good news, the very same thing Christians called it because they claimed it contained news of salvation which is indeed good news.

Other prophets talked about prophets coming, John the baptists talked about Jesus coming, why isn't his message titled good news too?

AntiChristian:
I don't have much time for your front and back mixing of truth with falsehood!



Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus!
Torah is the revelation revealed to Moses!
Zabur is that revealed to David!
Abraham too had a Book revealed to him!

All of these revelations are speech/Word of Allah!

I don't know what use is the meaning of the word "Injeel" when Allah says in Qur'an 61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

Clearly he was referring to the Children of Israel as you can see in red above! He was sent to Israel! And Israel is just a fraction of the world!

Injeel is the Gospel revealed to Jesus which is definitely not your Matthew, Mark, Luke and John!
Torah is the Book revealed to Moses which is definitely not the Pentateuch or the Old testament!
Zabur is Psalms revealed to David which is definitely not the Psalms in your Bible!

You have still failed ro deliver islam out of this dilemma.
You claim 'injeel is the Gospel revealed to isaah' I think this is the best time to inform u that injeel means gospel and gospel means good news. Therefore, injeel cannot be the 'gospel' given to Jesus. What u are saying is that 'goodnews is the goodnews given to isah'
The reason u have made this error is because of the gaps in Islam. It steals from Christianity without reasoning.
What u ment to day is that the message isah preached was titled goodnews which begs the question why is it titled good news? As there was no good news, he preached the same thing other prophets preached.
Is Allah copying from Christians who called it good news because it contained news of salvation?


Lmao so Jesus isn't even the only careless prophet in Islam. It seems like all the prophets in Islam mispla es their books.

Explore2xmore:
Do you know what the intertestamental period Is?

Do you not know that the Israelites had strayed from their path before Jesus emerged as a prophet, marked by spiritual disunity, moral decay, and a disregard for prophetic teachings?

Did Jesus not come to guide the Israelites back to true monotheism or your Bible is devoid of him stating that God is one and testifying to the truth of the older scripture?

This issue of monotheism is not an issue in Christianity. We believe in the true God and not in 'one God'. However God is one which implies monotheism, but this is not an issue in Christianity.
The main focus is the worship of the true God.
But, the way Muslims are fixated on this 'montheism' revealed something to me. In the Bible the devil Aka anto christ in obsessed with monotheism. I also heard Mohamed considered Persian religion to be true because it was monotheistic.
Ans Muslims male claims that budah was a prophet from Allah etc.
Take a look at this verses.

Qasim6:
At least you have seen a verse where Jesus talked about Ahmad.

Q7:158
Say, “O humanity! I am Allah’s Messenger to you all. To Him ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. He gives life and causes death.” So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His revelations. And follow him, so you may be ˹rightly˺ guided.

Isaiah 42 also described him as a light to all nations.

Still bla bla bla.
The question was to show me a verse in your own sources where Jesus claims that Mohammed is sent to all nations and not just the Arabs or isrealites etc.

U failed to do so and also brought up a verse in the Bible which I have no idea what u are trying to show me, but I haven't even opened the verse and I know that it does not contain what I have asked for because it's not in the Bible.

My conclusion is that u have made innovations to your own religion in an attempt to defend the Islamic delimmas that have been pointed out. I'm sure islam frowns at innovations or does taqiiyaa cover you here

Explore2xmore:
Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

I am going to pretend as if I do not know of this specific messiah and just assume that everybody God has had dealings with is a messiah. I want to understand why the title is exclusively used only for Jesus carrying along the same Jewish and Christian tradition that claims this prophesied messiah is tasked with a special duty?

Why Is nobody else anointed or described ad anointed asides Jesus in the quran?

Explore2xmore:
You will need to first tackle this problem you claim from the Bible.

Are there people other than Jesus referred to messiah (anointed) in your Bible?

The term Messiah comes from the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means anointed one isn't it?

1 Samuel 24:6 (referring to King Saul)
He said to his men, 'The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.

2 2 Samuel 23:1 (referring to King David)
These are the last words of David: 'The inspired utterance of David son of Jesse, the utterance of the man exalted by the Most High, the man anointed by the God of Jacob.

3 Isaiah 45:1
This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut.

4 1 Kings 19:16 (Elisha)
Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.


In the Old Testament, the term messiah is not limited to a future savior. It serves as a title for anyone chosen by God for a specific divine purpose, including kings, priests, and leaders.

Now did Jesus not have a specific purpose for Israel?


Islam regards Isa (Jesus) as a significant prophet and messenger, divinely supported and known as Al-Masih (the Messiah). However, it does not accept the ideas of his divinity, atonement, or a mission to create a spiritual kingdom as understood in Christianity. The Islamic perspective highlights Isa’s role in reinforcing monotheism and preparing for the final revelation delivered by Prophet Muhammad pbuh

Notice how u have reduced the title messiah, to mean everybody that was supposedly anointed by God because it did not fit the messiah in Islam.

Now I will ask u this question, why is this specifically used for isah in the quran. Why wasn't Mohamed also given this title?

Qasim6:
So the Qur'an verse I quoted flew over your head??

And in the meantime, you all can accept it's forged documents you are carrying around calling the message of Christ.

u quoted a verse where Isah says there would be a prophet named Ahmad. What I didn't see there is that he would be a prophet for all nations. I need a verse where isah says this before we can move on.
The reason why I am demanding this is because u claimed isahs message was named Good news because he came to introduce a prophet for all mankind which previous prophets were not and this makes it a big news. Personally, I fail to see how this is a good news. Prophets are simply messangers and i don't think any community celebrated the coming of a prophet in the Bible. People waited and celebrated the coming of a messiah tho.

Qasim6:
Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

I didn't ask u about this fairy tales, lol. I simply asked u to show Me the Islamic sources where Jesus claimed that there would be a prophet for all nations coming after him. Don't bother about Christian sources, use your Islamic sources. I heard u have a whole chapter written about Jesus and that his name was mentioned more times than any other. Surely, something as important as this would have been included and u would not have to make it up to try and correct the Islamic delimma I pointed out.

Qasim6:
You may benefit on strengthening your logical reasoning skills.

All previous prophet before Prophet Muhammad were all sent to some group of people or some sect, The last prophet is to the whole of mankind, So it's a big thing coming. Bringing such news is a good news.

And the kingdom of God is supposed to end the Romans rule. The Roman empire is no more here for some centuries now. FOR HOW LONG SHOULD WE WAIT FOR??

All this nonsense someone dying for your sins is all hogwash that have no scriptural backing. And no, our prophet is not useless. He will complete his mission on his 2nd coming.


All those dilemmas are just in your head!

Good.. use Islamic sources to show me where Jesus is recorded talking about this prophet for all nations.

My bro, if u are not able to fins this, then u must explain how u came about this hogwash u made up.

Perhaps it's time to accept that Allah copied the Christians without thinking.

Qasim6:
The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

Does this not sound stupid to u?? Firstly, like u said, daniel and every other prophet had talked about this 'kingdom coming' so it wasnt new. Also, why didn't the message of the person who prophesied the coming of Jesus get his message called good news since in islam Jesus is supposed to be the messiah?

The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the account of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

Cc Qasim6 steep ken4christ

GothamCities:
It's Good News in Christendom because there had never been such a message before Christ came on the scene. Christ's message is a message of salvation through Grace which is received by faith. No prophet before Jesus has ever had such a message. Hence, the message is Good News.

What is the Good News (Injeel) of Jesus according to Islam? We'll like to know.

it's another Islamic dilemma. They could have argues that it was a word borrowed in other to relate with Christians at rhe time, but this word was also used in the Quran and they claim the Quran is directly from God. Could it be that Allah didn't spot this dilemma

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After I was informed that Muslims referred to the teachings and message of Jesus as Injeel, which translates to "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it), I became even more confused because the title seems mismatched.
The theme of Jesus's message in Christianity is that he brought salvation for those previously condemned by the law. In this context, the title "Good News" makes sense.
Where it does not make sense is in Islam, where it is mismatched. The title for his message in Islam is Injeel, and it also translates to "Good News." The dilemma here is that, in Islam, there is no reason for the message to be referred to as "Good News." It is obviously mismatched. Most of my Muslim friends here would argue that Jesus didn't teach anything new and that, in fact, he preached the same message as the previous prophets before him.
This raises the question: Why is Jesus's message in Islam called "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it)?

Normally, this would not have been a setback if not for the way the word came about in Christianity: the message of salvation by believing in Christ (something Islam preaches against).

I thought to myself, maybe it’s borrowed from the Christians at the time because Muslims wanted to relate to them but didn’t have a word for it aside from that. However, after researching, I found out that the word Injeel was stated in the Qur'an (the supposed direct word of Allah).


--- cc antichristian antiislam

Jibril could not deliver a message to Mohammed for a time longer than that because of a dog. Allah and his messengers were afraid of a dog.

Who else has noticed this new trend in world class secondary and primary schools being built in Lagos.

First it was james hope college then chater house and immediately the investors at eko atlantic started theirs. I hope the investors turn their eyes into building world class universities like this too


This is the best school infrastructure wise in Africa. An investment of 150million euros. May be when the eko atlantic school is done we can come back to that title.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzJZLruN5E?si=KDebVnjWWFfVgMhG

makizee:
You are the one that is not smart ..No new inventions on issues particular to the religion, is internet particular to Islam, is television particular to Islam. For Muslims, it is said that your religion has been made perfect for you, hence we don't make new or invent new ways of practicing Islam as some religion do, they have been modified to fit in with the times, no so for Islam,the way it was done 2000 years ago is the way it will be done 2000 years from now.

How is your birthday particular to your religion ?

I used to think the new world occult thing was something exclusive to foreigners in the west. I just recently found out that there are people into this in Nigeria. Today I found out that one of my friends is actively into this. I have to tell u this. As a Christian, stay away from people that say things like; ‘I can know God without going to church, I am not religious but I am a spiritual being, Jesus is not God’

Dear Christian brothers I beg u, do not practice anything those type of people tell you.

olayinka63:
The article is addressing Muslims and Christian's are the one taking the headache. What a life!!

the thing is stupid. No new inventions are allowed but u are using the internet to warn us. As if Mohammed, invented the internet.

Alaro city


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZzvFGWcARE?si=nlEFukOjQ5yizDZP

AntiChristian:
You should determine who is lying. You can't see and know who you have never met before!
If i tell you i saw your dad yesterday won't you request for a description?

Let him tell us the Jesus he saw and what language he spoke to him!

The picture of Jesus most Christian have is an English speaking dandy white guy with blue eyes!

This has nothing on the legitimacy of the guys claims because we don’t really care for what he looks like. But because I am curious I would ask him to describe the person he saw.

Qasim6:
You guys don come with your non-existent Muslim having a non existent dream about Jesus.

What happened to Matthew 24:26?

"So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Your guy probably see something else, just like Paul on his way to Damascus.

our understanding of this scripture is that Muslims would tell us that their Isa bin Mariam is Jesus in the last days. We are warned not to believe them.

We are told that God would pour out his spirit into the world and people would dream dreams and for this reason we believe when non believers like Muslims receive intervention through dreams.

Antichristian
Who is lying, me or the young man in question?

Secondly, what is the obsession with the language Jesus spoke and what race he was.

I feel like Muslims are thought to believe that white people lied to us about the race of Jesus and that all Christian’s are blinded by this lie.
This is fascinating because I grew up knowing that Jesus was Jewish and could not have been white. This also applies to other Christian’s Eve though we do not see the importance of this in anything. He could have been a hausa man and we would still worship him.

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EmekaBlue:
DM the man above me

The boy is a 19yeae old Foriegn boy. I told him that if he had another dream and saw Jesus in it again, he should reach out. I would then reach out to the brother above to mentor him.

Guys, I met this guy online and he is scared and looking for answers. He wants to know if Jesus is calling him to Christianity or It’s a warning of his imminent death.
At first I thought he was not serious because he kept asking if Jesus wanted to kill him.
God has never used me before to bring someone to him and I am unsure of what to do.

He claims he was in a coffin with two people trying to bury him and then the lord appeared with his eyes as bright as. The lord proceeded to wave to him and he felt something leave his body.


I am certain the lord is calling him as this has happened with Muslims plenty of times.

What advice do you give me to give him? I’m not sure I can be the best spiritual guardian to him cuz I myself do not feel worthy.

Cc antichristian antiislam

enumerica:
I discovered that Muslims hate the Apostle Paul more than Jesus Christ.

Apostle Paul admonished Christians to eat meat even if it is offered to the idols (I don't think Muslims offer their slain rams to any idol). Not eating such meats shows you have exalted the power of the idols more than God's.

Again, he said if eating such meat will make other Christians deny their faith, then don't don't eat.

they do not offer it to idols, but to Satan.

However, Christian’s can chose to eat as long as they give thanks to God.

Peaceful

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Thanks guys for your contributions.
I didn't expect this thread to blow up like this.

With Four games to go and Rangers and Enyimba sitting in 1st and second respectively on the npfl log, this Sunday nights clash(oriental derby) is poised to be the biggest game in the country this week.

I am a life long Enyimba fan and I would love y'all to comment who you are backing on Sunday!

bigiyaro:
you mean they don't fail exams in British schools?

they don’t fail exams in British independent schools. The trick is 6 students to a teacher. That way teachers are better informed about the progress of their students and can mentor them on a personal level.