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PEACE.

Is there an explanation for the exclusion of Ummul Khulthum and Ruqqaya, two daughters of the Prophet from Ahlul Bayt?

MakeWeTalk:
Brothers I was on the way to the mosque when a friend who is a good muslim showed me a video that is disturbing about our beloved religion.

In it Tarek Fatah Founder of Muslim Canadian Congress is angry that Muslims are lying to ourselves by denying that our own Quran is the source of violence.

He believes that the Imams know that the Quran teaches, encourages & rewards violence and should speak out against this.
Tarek continues to say that the problems lie within the Quran,

HE SAID MUSLIMS SHOULD STOP DECEIVING THEMSELVES AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL.

I have read some surahs that I have found very disturbing myself, and I am beginning to question if we are on the right path.

What I found most painful is that Tarek said that our prophet's son was murdered and his head paraded in the streets.

Listen to the video yourself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Kmp-VHryI

Can I have honest thoughts on this I beg una all.

You should read about him better, i think you picked his word off context. Check wikipedia, he stands for Quran, but opposes the man made sharia law which most mainstream Muslims ignorantly promote. As for Jihad, check this; They Ask You About Jihad

Peace onto you.

Firstly, this is not the first pilot doning an hijab or head scarf. And if by 'hijab' you mean her cloak, then do some digging, it is not only unacceptable to fly a plane in such an outfit by any airline, it is uncomfortable and unoperative. That was simply a pilot posing for a photo, she wasn't in action.

Secondly, why make so much noise about this when sharia law will hamper her proffesion, possibly forcing her into premature retirement? How on earth is a woman who according to sharia, is not permitted to travel except in company of male relatives cope with the kind of schedule that aviation demands?

Lastly, if the Qur'an granted women this kind of right/freedom 1400 years back and the West followed suit almost a century back, it is a pity that women in the middle east/muslim world are just getting the same, yet with limitation.


There is nothing to be merry about here at all. And don't be shocked, there are more shocking tales; like saudi females not getting the right to formal education untill the 50s.

Be consumed by the flames of truth. Have a nice Friday.

Here is an hadith on dua. A clear indication that for dua to be accepted, salawaat has to come in according to orthodox:

“Duaa is suspended between heaven and earth and none of it is taken up until you send blessings upon your Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.” [At-Tirmidhi, Hasan Al-Albani]

On of Salat, it is specifically believed by shiites that salat is null without it salawat, period. For sunnis, it is agreed that ommiting salawat require performing prostration of forgetfullness. At least this is the stand of ahlul sunna founders like imam Shaafi. Therefore salawat is as mandatory as ruku or sajda. You may not deliberately leave it out.

I would not treat this issue anymore. You have contradicted your own ulamas a couple of times. As i stated before, am not here win supporters. If you will accept fables, myths and legends like origin of darood, then convincing you here is as good as pushing a wall.

So long, so long.

I have a problem with her conversion story. There is just so much missing, especially if by 'Islam' she mean the religion practiced by 1.6 billion
people.

She said tolerance, justice are characters that drew her in. But these characters can be observed among the non muslims of the west than muslims of middle east. For instance, she was able to change here faith and even announce it without a scratch. Doing this in the middle east will earn you instant execution. This is part of their Islamic teachings. Additionally, in the west, more and more Mosques are built, this is tolerated. In the middle east, building new Churches is strictly prohibited according to the Muslims and their Islamic teachings.

She also stated that Islam 's appeal to intellect won her over. As an ex-orthodox muslim(am still muslim but now unorthodox), i can confidently state that mainstream/orthodox Islam frowns upon rationality in religious matters. That is why most muslims are unwilling to subject their doctrines to rationality, hence their dogmatism.

She said also mentioned women rights. Since her understanding of Islam is what is practiced by 1.6 million followers, lets ask a question?
What then explains the presence of Muslim feminists and Liberals? If you meet double dealing Muslims who are seeking for converts they 'll deceive you into thinking mainstream Islam championed throughout the sharia states is a women empowering religion. What many are ignorant of is that in the so called sharia law, highly restrict women to homes. That is why untill recently saudi women had no right to vote and cannot even drive to pick their kids from school to this day. For the same reason, Saudi the so called model Islamic state barred women from university education until the 50s. According to sharia law, the Salat/Prayer of a man is nullified if a pig, donkey or woman passes his front. Similarly, it is permitted to marry female children and consumate it before puberty. That aside, it is permissible to rape female captives. All these and more are parcel of mainstream Islamic teachings that 'll put off a true feminist.

You see, i am also a feminist, a liberal but from my expertise in mainstream Islamic teachings, the West kick ass when it comes tolerance, justice, women empowerment far more than the middle eastern ideology this lady embraced without in-depth research.

Am not condemning Islam, in fact am a muslim but not the typical muslim you meet. As i believe that mainstream Christianity is a severely distorted version of Christ 's teachings, i believe mainstream Islam is a severely distorted version of Muhammad 's teachings, lacking in any of the merits this convert has listed.

Peace onto you. Be consumed by the flames of truth. Be relieved of you thirst for truth. Learn about the system of God(Islam);

Quranic Path
True Islam
International Quranic Center
Free Minds
Flames Of Truth

Empiree:
You really getting weird now. Where did get bold from?. It's not mandatory in salat. Tashahud is basic requirement. @ blue, that's just your ignorant opinion. Yeah, let's hear what you got on Tashahud.

Go find out from your scholars, a salat or dua without salam or salawaat for the Prophet is null. I may get you a few hadith on this later.

vedaxcool: usermane is that you? how are u doing?

Sure, am good.

forgive my ignorance, care to enlighten me on how the kurds fighting ISIS in the north of Iraq and Kobane became largely composed of non muslims?

The Kurds are are different story, man. Though muslims, there are two explanation for their persistence against ISIS.

1. They are moderate, secular and non-arabized muslims unlike most orthodox muslims. You can see their fighters, especially the women.

2. Their land. Kurdish region in Iraq today is the only region on earth where Kurds have autonomy. The Kurds aren't the typical sharia or khalifa clamouring muslims you usually meet. They hold deeper passion for their ethnicity and would not trade it for a caliphate.

Hence, the Kurds are in the picture because they have something to lose if they surrender or just flee like the Arabs. Thus, they are not freedom fighters as you think.

Even before ISIS started it excesses in iraq, muslim groups fighting in Syria and the FSA had turned their weapons on them, till this very day the battle continues.

FSA was not a response to ISIS. FSA serve mainly to oppose the oppression Asaad on the Syrians. And is more of the Syrian army though answer not to the President. They have no religious stand. Members are a mix of muslims and non-muslims.
Had it not been for these, it would have been good response to my original question.

And please the custodians of the same orthodox Islam you keep pronouncing have long dissociated themselves from it, so how does their action springs from this orthodoxy?

Again? Do you remember my last topic that was deleted; "They Ask You About Jihad"? I discussed the orthodox root of offensive Jihad or terrorism there. It is not always easy discussing this subject when most muslims here are prone to flare ups.

And if you are still in doubt, ask yourself why of all religions, Islam is the only one that is often used by terrorists for their narratives.

Empiree: Who are you to question this?

Am Question01

So you think am taking your salawaat for Muhammad as Salat. You better read and digest my post properly again.

I don't have time for linguistic analysis. Have a crack at this: [url=http://http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/corruption_of_33:56_%28P1243%29.html]33:56[/url]

As i previously asked, if the Salawat doctrine isn't meant to join Muhammad in worship of God, why is it done in the middle of salat(tashahood) which is suppose to be devoted to God alone? Why does ommiting it nullify one 's salat according to your religion. I haven't even started on attahiyat yet.
Also, sending blessing may be a way of invoking. The meccan polytheists knew this well.

vedaxcool: 10s of thousands of devouted Muslims are opposing them waging war against their evils and defending the honor of people why did you leave that out? We still forgive you, it is hardly your fault that you cannot live up to expectation. Only Muslims on the ground are fighting the war against ISIL, it takes one with severe loathing for Islam to ignore the issues and fail to put things in their right perspectives!

Am sorry, i cannot agree with you. Bring your evidence. Have you ever heard of any muslim who left his country for Iraq/Syria to fight ISIS? Me, i have not.

Upon the emergence of ISIS, most orthodox muslims in Iraq/Syria were torn between supporting their brothers per their understanding of Qur'an 5:51 and opposing them as the world expect. So they created and chosed a third option; RUN AWAY AND SEE WHERE FATE LEADS TO.

Though, many of them surrendered and pledged allegiance to the ISIS Jihad for restoration of full sharia society. The minorities standing with the incumbent governments are mostly Shiites, Yazidis both of whom are ISIS targets and Sunnis who were already in the military before the war and have no option but to remain.

The Iraqi government has refused any aid from even middle eastern troops because they know it will be a waste, since ISIS is a product of the middle eastern, orthodox muslim ideology. They 'll be running a risk of accomodating potential sympathizers of ISIS who may oppose ISIS but rather feebly because their government ordered them, not because they care.

Wizeboy: Almighty Allah directly forbids verbal religious intolerance, candidly pointing out the logical consequence of mutual animosity and hatred. Disagreement is sometimes unavoidable; however, petty name- calling is certainly something we can all maturely surmount.

Let aside the inadequacies, this is where the strength of the article lie. To appreciate this, we have to consider practical cases where neglect for tolerance turned into tragedies. As such, i discussed the issue in light of the two Churches burnt down in Katsina early this year by muslim youths over a disrespectful statement about Muhammad alledged to have been made by a Christian teacher.

Holy Ignorance Is Behind Attacks On Two Nigerian Churches

Be relieved of your thirst for truth.

Finally, one would notice that Quranists do not use or love to use Semitic language of Qur'an. They dislike to use Allah and instead they prefer the created english word "God" as a substitute.

You are certain to say this because semitic(arabic) words are divine to you. You may find Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims helpful.

God sent messages to many communities in their tongue. Not everyone of these communities spoke semitic languages. It is funny that you think the word 'God' is man made while 'Allah' is divine. Please do some research, 'Allah' was used in Arabia before the Qur'an. It wasn't introduced by the Qur'an. Then again, stop dwelling on irrelevancies. 'God' has no specific name(17:110)

They (Quranists) called Muslims polytheists.

We don't. We see you as people of the Book. We only believe some of your doctrines like belief in intercession of the Prophet, veneration of the Prophet during Hajj e.t.c to be anti Quranic and polytheistic.

One would also notice that they(Quranists) do not send salam (blessing) on the noble Prophet Muhammad (saw) or any Prophets and messangers of Allah.

Salat is for absolute reverence of God(29:45) and you do not revere another one in the course of it(72:18).
The Verse(33:56) you cite to corroborate your hadith for this doctrine was distorted and mistranslated by your trusted ulemas in order to have you venerate a human being alongside with God. They tell you that salawaat is just praying for Muhammad and not idol worship. Ask them why it is done in the middle of Salat.

I asked Quranist on Facebook 5yrs ago why he doesnt send blessing on the Prophet and why he doesnt use prefix, the adjective anytime he mentions Prophets' names?. He said it's not in Qur'an.

Qur'an 2:136 direct us to mention messengers' names without ordering us to send blessings to them. Is obeying this verse disrespecting the messengers?

Should They Be Called Muslims? Well, this is matter better left for Sheik. Quranist I met on Facebook yrs ago calls himself Muslim. But the one we have here on Nairaland reject Muslim tag. I say to him (becareful what you wish for).

'Muslim' is more of a description than a name or collective noun. If you were candid enough, you would have translated it like you did to other collective nouns such as 'mushrikin, ahlul kitab, munafiqun'. Then you will find that 'Muslim' is not specifically a name like Ojo or Nigeria that must/can not be altered for another. Then you won't be beating yourself over this.

Those people have strange view of Islam in modern time.

So? does being strange equate to false? Listen to yourself and study your hadith:

Abû Hurayrah relates that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said:
“Islam began strange, and it will become strange again just like it was at the beginning, so blessed are the strangers.”
[Sahîh Muslim (1/130)]

Peace be with you.
Here is a response to Zawadi 's Criticisms which you 've heavily depended on: Refuting The Hadith Defender Book

Empiree: The Holy Qur'ân says: "Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, refrain from it". (59:7)

It will be interesting here to cite a wise answer of 'Abdullâh ibn Mas'ûd, the blessed companion of the Holy Prophet, which he gave to a woman. A woman from the tribe of Asad came to 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ûd and said, "I have come to know that you hold such and such things as prohibited. I have gone through the whole Book of Allâh, but never found any such prohibition in it." 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ûd replied, "Had you read the Book you would have found it. Allâh Almighty says: "Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, refrain from it." (59:7). (Ibn Mâjah)

You did this in the past, i corrected you but you are doing it again. I know you do not truely read my posts. But i do not seek to win over anyone. I just want the truth to be seen.

Qur'an 59:7
And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

Read the whole verse instead of only the fraction you have posted and you will find that it deals with distribution of spoils of war by the Messenger, not legislation by the Messenger.

Also since you respect hadith so much, here is one that support my position and contradict the one you just cited:

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book of Prayer, Number 446 :

Narrated by 'Aisha:

Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala (1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When Allah's Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al- Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then Allah's Apostle stood on the pulpit (or Allah's Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in Allah's Book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."

^^^
Enslaved

Narrated Anas: The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet . The Prophet made her manumission as her 'Mahr'. — Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:59:512

Slave trade

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave. — Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:34:351

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) — Sahih Muslim, 10:3901 “

Sex slaves.

Sunan Abudawud 2150.
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al- Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:459

Qur'an is the solution.
Be consumed by the flames of truth.

Peace!

There is no permission for slavery in the Qur'an. Captives are to be ransomed or freed with no strings attached(Qur'an 47:4).

What the Islamists and critics interprete as slaves permissible for masters to sleep with are 'right hand posseseth' but these aren't slaves/captives when you consider the arabic terms.(23:5-6 70:29-30).
Besides, at most, what the Qur'an permitted one is to relax a bit on modesty in presence of his/her right hand posseseth(24:31), not having sex with 'em.
Therefore, there is no permission to enslave in the Qur'an.

However, it must be understood that ISIS are not the first to adopt slavery as part of Islam. ISIS only seek to revive a culture that have been long invented, adopted and defended as part of Islam by the ulema. Towns were ransacked in past, pilaged by the so called Islamic states centuries ago and peaceful, non-combatants were captured as slaves. All these were sanctioned by ulemas. The ulema stood vehemently against the abolishment of slavery in the 20th century when the ottoman rulers attempted to abolish it under international pressure. So, up till mid 1900s, slavery was present in the middle east, justified by ulamas who did not only distort Quranic verses to feed their narratives but invoked fabricated hadith like these;