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This obsession with headscarf among Muslims is so toxic that it may manifest as contempt for women not wearing the headscarf. For instance, there is a popular meme in the Muslim community that compares women in headscarf to 'wrapped candies' and women without headscarf to 'exposed candies infested with flies'.

Such is the value of women without headscarf, in the eyes of ignorant or twisted Muslims like the speaker.

A woman without the Muslim headscarf can't have value? Now wonder people hate Muslim headscarf. It is a twisted yardstick of evaluating women, for, regardless of individual character, intelligence and achievement, a woman without headscarf is less valuable than a woman in headscarf..

So in the eyes of the speaker, even hijab beauty fashion stars like Sondos Al Qattan is more valuable than a medical doctor like Qanta Ahmed. And just any random Muslim woman in the headscarf has more dignity than Queen Rania.

Misinformation 6: It is the headscarf that gives Muslim women Reputation

Shows us shots of Christian women in similar headscarf to Muslim women. He concludes; "These are the best women of Christianity" and concludes with shots of Muslim women in headscarf, with the captions; "This is where she finds her dignity, grace and value".

Dignity? Grace? Value? How colossally stupid is this speaker? So, without headscarf, the following Muslim women lack dignity, grace and value?

Misinformation 5: Women Not Wearing the headscarf are 'Immodestly' dressed

The speaker then cut to a clip of Christian pastors condemning ‘immodest dressing’ demonstrated with mannequins.

Of course, same old crap. Fallacy of false dilemma; "If a woman is not wearing headscarf, she is dressed 'immodestly'. And if she is wearing headscarf, she is 'modestly' dressed."

Mainstream scholars claim that face-veil is only a recommendation, not mandatory. This position is only supported by some schools of Islamic law, but it is illegitimate because a clear sahih hadith like above takes precedence over contradictory view of the schools of Islamic law.

Not to deviate too much into what the dress code in traditional Islam is, but this had to be pointed out for the sake of information.

To be true, the traditional interpretation of this verses is face-covering(niqab). Hadith report that the women covered their faces when 24:31 was revealed.

Sahih al-Bukhari » Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an

`Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their heads and faces with those cut pieces of cloth."

Misinformation 4: Christian women dress code

Speaker: But hijab is in their own Bible, Corinthian 11: 5-16.

More crap, Corinthian 11 is directive to wear headscarf to prayers. This is not same as wearing the headscarf to school, to football field or engineering plant as traditional Muslim women have been taught.

Please see my thread on Qur'an Is the face/hair veil an Islamic Requirement?, there is no directive to cover the hair. Of course, if you read the Qur'an through the obscured lens of the traditionalists, you will find hair covering and may be face covering in the verses 24:31, 33:59.

1. Polygamy offers legal alternative to extramarital affairs.
2. Men are polygamous in nature, one wife may not sexually satisfy a man.
3. Polygamy benefits bachelorette unable to find single men for marriage.

For now, you can read these parroted justifications echoed here; Islam & Polygamy. Hopefully, next week I'll address them in detail.

And this gratuitous polygamy is what some Muslim women bemoan, but they are immediately shut down with fragmented and decontextualized citation of Qur'an 4:3, and demanded to "fear Allah" if they still dare protest.

We now proceed to examine some of the oft-parroted justification for gratuitous polygamy in the Muslim community:

Genuine Polygamy V Gratuitous Polygamy

There is a place for polygamy. If say a man's only wife is barren or if another wife is the mutual interest of the couple and not the interest of only the husband. This is genuine polygamy. This isn't the kind of polygamy Qur'an 4:3 address but we can agree it is unbias and fair.

But this polygamy is not the only type that corrupt and ignorant Muslims promote with 4:3. What they also promote is gratuitous polygamy; where any man can get another wife for even selfish reasons like sexual boredom, lust, infatuation, pride and fame, given sufficient means.

Go to hell, officer. You're causing invonvienence for people. You want everyone to publicly fast in honor of your fake religion?

Oh, and why did the mods put this on front page? Isn't this bad publicity? No where in Quran or hadith is this sanctioned.

true2god:
If you are pushing for a lesser punishment for homosexuals, based on their so-called genetic make-up (no global scholarly research had proved that), then we can equally advocate for a lesser punishment for serial killers. I have watched a documentary where the narrator claimed that, based on genetics, some people are born as psychopath who grow up having a high tendency of becoming serial killers in their adulthood. Fortunately, I have actually seen one myself. The dude, right from our childhood, will never show remorse for whatsoever bad he did. I saw him, when I was like 11 and he was like 15, beat a heavily pregnant woman with an intent of killing her. I was shocked and I told mum about it and she WARNED me never in my life have anything to do with him again. Two years ago I learnt that he had been shot dead for armed robbery and murder.

If this dude were to be in the US he would probably be in a prison serving 15yrs for murder and armed robbery but thank God this is Nigeria where the law is different. And now back to the homosexual issue, it is better to remove a virus from the body while it is still manageable than to let it grow to a point that the entire body has to be destroyed. Homosexuality is a virus that MUST never be allowed to take root in any society.

I am not arguing for a lesser punishment. I'm only pointing out that even if homosexuality is bad, it is nowhere as bad as murder and it's punishment shouldn't be same with murder. I am pointing at a cognitive dissonance and poor judgement on the part of 'kill homosexual' crowd.

Homosexuals harm no one, especially where their homosexuality is innate rather than a lifestyle choice. I wouldn't compare them to serial killers.

As to homosexuality being a virus, kindly find a cure for the individuals infected by the virus. Remember, you don't punish a sick man, you cure him.

Also start to consider why God created homosexuals. Don't say homosexuality is not natural or is a personal choice because even if this is true in certain cases, there are cases where the homosexuals can't help it at all.

And I have shown you how people are born with all kinds of 'disorders'. If you haven't heard, please search online for Intersex and Disorders of Sexual Development. All these facts lend credit to the position that homosexuality is inborn.

true2god:
I don't think homosexuality should be a lesser crime in any society. Homosexuality is the beginning of the destruction of the family structure in any society, and a healthy family unit determines how far a society can evolve into a prosperous and happy one. I support any punishment for homosexuals; it is a practice completely against the law of human reproductive nature and must never be allowed to take root any any society. Some 50years back homosexuals in Europe and the US had to hide to avoid being lynch or killed by a random person or mob but today the evil global media (CNN, BBC, NYT, MSNBC, Facebook, etc), in conjunction with the liberals and the progressive, are pushing its acceptance into the mainstream society. Schools, and even some churches, in the US are encouraging and promoting this evil and anyone that speaks against it is called a 'bigot', 'homophobic' and it has become a 'hate-crime' to condemn it. I do respect any society that frown at it with a very stiff punishment.

It is unfortunate I cannot post the rest of my critique of anti-gay rhetorics. Anti-spam bot keeps banning me.

What I'll state from what I gathered is that homosexuality could be natural. People are born with all kinds of anormalies; down syndrome, autism, ADHD, diabetes mellitus, intersex etc. There is chance that homosexuality is just another one of inborn anomalies.

So, I disagree especially with religious people that just want to scream 'evil' when homosexuality is mentioned.

LagosShia:
Sunnis and Shias have lived side by side in middle east countries, and even intermarried. the governments have issues, and also do extremist groups; but that hasn't stopped people from living in peace.

regardless, what are the solutions you would proffer?

They have to realize religious pluralism. This mentality of, "i am the saved sect and every other sect are innovations and must be suppressed", must stop. In short, Secularism will come in handy.

That was how the Christians dealt with their sectarian feuds for good. It was severe for them, throughout the middle age, smaller Christian sects like Jacolbite or Nestorian Christians preferred to live as 2nd class citizens in Islamic caliphate than live in the Roman/Byzantine Empire under the reign of the Catholics.

@underlined, while the commoners had tolerated each other, the issue of extremists or authorities expressing intolerance isn't news. You know better than i do, that persecution of shiites lasted throughout the Ummayad and Abbasid dynasties. They never got over their differences even at an inter-state level, between the Ottoman and Persian empire.

JackBizzle:
The worst I have ever seen him do, is make an error on islam by claiming female genital mutilation is an islamic issue.

Peace!
FGM is an Islamic issue for the traditionalists. It is prescribed for both male and females according to their traditions. Some schools of thoughts deem it obligatory while others deem it recommendable. All in all, FGM is encouraged and honourable according to orthodox Islamic jurisprudence or theology.

http://islamqa.info/en/45528

Peace.

Jihad can be offensive?, well i guess that 's what ISIS is keeping to.

Empiree:
Pal, this is beyond modern science. If they could solve this, it could have been apparent in western world but nope. Their insane folks are either left on the streets or packed up in phych hospital or rehab. But rehab would do nothing if individuals are not ready to change themselves.
In the case of this, it's something spiritual like. Deliberate or not. This is not Ebola or HIV. Have you ever visited doctors for body pain and they kept telling you they found nothing wrong with you, yet there is?. I guess not. But for the sake of giving you space, I say op should respond to you. walaikum salam

How do you know it is spiritual or demonic? Have you met the OP?
Additionally, i didn't ask her to meet a Physician. Psychologists and Psychotherapists are known for helping those with peculiar issues and those are my recommendations.

swtbby:
slm I need help I'm angry depressed and sad all the time but I try to control it , it all started when I was little I saw something really scary since then I hv bn seeing things that are not normal , sleep time is a nightmare , being afflicted with 1 sickness or the other bt doctors tell me that there's nothing wrong with me .whatever I do always turns out to b a failure, an Imam told me that its jinn aashiq. I say du'as and do all that is recommended BT still no any improvement. what else should I do ?

Peace be with you.

Which kind of Doctor did you meet? Have you met a Phychiatrist or Phychotherapist?

Seriously, i do not expect any meaningful contribution from those countries when all they they could do during the Palestinian plight was to curse US or Isreal.
Besides, do they even have an army? Six of them banded against Isreal in 1948 and lost.

Jack, do you expect oppressors like Saudi, Kuwait, Iran or Pakistan government or Mullahs to liberate the oppressed in another domain? You mean Saudi and Kuwait that indoctrinate those fanatics and turn a blind eye to private donors to Islamist insurgencies, Iran that just hanged a 26 years old for possibly defending herself against a rapist or Pakistan that is about to hang a Mother after 3 years of incarceration for alledged blasphemy?

ISIS cannot be compared with some rebel groups in the West, easily wiped out by the government. ISIS is the product of the quest for a sharia state, an ideology that when you look beyond the battlefield, appeal to a vast fraction of mainstream muslims.

sino:
@usermane, actually, i was referring to some modern day Muslim personalities, and my proof is from Tafsir Tabari, and i don't think it was written in recent times.

I still strongly believe you need to learn the deen properly and from traditional sources in a dignified Masrasah.

Hmm....if this is all you have to say, then am even more discouraged to visit your 'dignified Madrasah'. Because, Question01 ask Questions and he would not take silence or half-baked apologetics for answers.

Today is Friday, and since everyone love a pipe bomb on Fridays, here is mine;

sino:
@Empiree,

Islam frowns at illegal sexual intercourse, be it with a free woman, slave or servant. The verses in the Qur'an that talks about "your right hand possesses" can all be explained in terms of those who are allowed to be approached for marriage...I find it a little disturbing when such verses are translated in terms of cohabitation with slaves even by supposed knowledgeable personalities.

This explanation can be found in tafsir tabari of Qur'an 4:24

Peace!

In irony, some weeks ago, you vehemently insisted on the authority of scholars to do the explanation and asserted the need for tafsir. This shouldn't be coming from you in particular.

Like mu'ta or misyar, Sex slaves, concubines has been sanctioned in orthodox Islam for ages. This is supported via hadith and tafsir.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1125 Book 12, Hadith 97

It was narrated that Aishah said: "I noticed that the Messenger of Allah was missing and I thought he had gone to visit one of his concubines, so I looked for him and found him prostrating and saying: 'O Allah, forgive me for what (sin) I have concealed and what I have done openly'.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 4:24

(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.) The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, (except those whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant.

Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah 4:24 was revealed, consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.''

This is the wording collected by At- Tirmidhi An-Nasa'i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim in his Sahih. Allah's statement, (Thus has Allah ordained for you) means, this prohibition was ordained for you by Allah. Therefore, adhere to Allah's Book, do not transgress His set limits, and adhere to His legislation and decrees.

Caliphs, Sultans, Emirs and wealthy persons in the past did keep as many concubines as they liked. No scholar saw this as illegal sexual intercourse untill recent times. Denouncing concubines by orthodox muslims is a recent bida that fly in the face or orthodox islamic texts.

vedaxcool:
I suggest rather than fart out theories, you take time a read decent commentary and news on the issue.

So long vedaxcool, so long.

The only group worth considering is the Army of Mujahidin(AM), formed primarily to resist ISIS but even then, it remain to be known if AM oppose ISIS out of disapproval of ISIS methodology and teachings or out of suspicion that ISIS is a secret wing of Asaad wrestling back regions already liberated from Asaad 's grip.

There is need for you to group ISIS opposition in two.
A. Groups fighting ISIS as a means to an end.
B. Groups fighting ISIS as an end in itself.

The second group is what i seek. None of your examples so far falls here. They fall within the first group. Some of which like Al qaeda are just as vicious as ISIS and others like Kurds would undoubtly disarm once ISIS move out of their region.

Peace, JackBizzle.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387 :

Narrated by Anas bin Malik;
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.”

Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

Untill we admit this turmoil is inspired by mainstream/orthodox interpretation of Islam, we are just waisting our time. Mordern Islamist insurgencies kick started in the 80's & if it had nothing to do with religious texts then the muslim world would have resolved it already. You can't be an admirer of Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Tamiyyah or Ibn Abdulwahab(proponents of insurgencies to establish sharia state) and tell us you stand against Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi 's ISIS. If your ideology state that i should be killed for apostasy or preaching another faith in your territory then you have much in common with ISIS. Young muslim boys and girls leaving their homes to join ISIS, the recent canadian muslim convert who just detonated a bomb refute the claim that this is all political.

Those politicizing ISIS have to understand that the franschise selling point has been its Islamic rhetorics. Nothing sells in the muslim world without the tag, "islamic". That is why they have Islamic names, Islamic months, Islamic food, Islamic dress, Islamic marriage, Islamic songs, Islamic state, Islamic xxxx. When you tend to Islamize everything, non-muslims assume everything in your community is Islamic and that includes the bad and ugly.

Harmony upon you, vedaxcool.

All i asked for was a Justice League, a fleet of freedom fighters currently resisting ISIS. The FSA & the Kurds do not fit the bill. I 've made it clear, the former is a military organisation without a religious stand and the Kurds persist only to defend their land, their autonomy which would be lost on event of a caliphate. Read more on these two groups.

Now why did you ignore the statement even al qaeda franchise in Syria is fighting ISIS? or the link I gave you?

So are you saying another terrorist organisation like Al qaeda is your idea of a band of devoted heroic muslims? Jack, there is no honour among theives. ISIS is a rebel faction from Al qaeda. ISIS/Al Qaeda feud emanate from a power struggle. Both groups share the same goal. Terrorists may split, slaying each other but make no mistake, they don't care about poor you.




Imitating your friend, you found consolation in ridiculing me. 3 good times, you reiterated that no one here minds me.

Similarly, majority of muslims in this forum ignore you in this section. Hence this section is often scanty and dull. Your discourse, your general attitudes are the prime causes for this.

I don't care about attention. That is why i often post articles instead of pressuring you with questions. I 've never hoped for better from you especially since non muslims were officially banned from posting here thanks to your support and acquiescence. So go ahead, ridicule me.

Lastly, quit raising false alarm on Islamophobia when dealing with me. Thanks to your inadequacies, i 've defended Islam far stronger than you ever attempted.

Harmony upon you, OP.

Islamic reform hasn't met expectations for a number of reasons.

1. Poor co-operation among reformists, moderates and liberals

I am a reformist, ever since i commenced this mission of Islamic reform, barely anyone has stood by me. There a few others that share my discourse and aspiration. For instance, in this forum i know there is chyz, Anvaller, usisky and satmaniac. But let me tell you, they are too occupied with other activities to even create just one topic per month here.

2. Ignorance

I find majority of muslims to be 'yes men', guilty of naivety and ignorant of serious flaws in their ideology. For instance, they still have this fallacy that 'Islam' is peace, no compulsion bla bla bla unaware that there is compulsion in their ideology according to which Jews/Christian must accept 'Islam', else pay humiliating tax or face death, pagans get it worse, it is convert or die.

You cannot be reformed if you haven't woken up to reality, realizing your faults. Untill muslims stop raising false alarms of Islamophobia, untill they admit to the serious ills in their ideology codified in their Books of Quran exegesis and Oral traditions, untill they become vocal about it, Islamic reform is a pipe dream.

3. Western Government foreign policies in the middle east.

The western government couldn't care less of Islamic reforms. For their selfish interest, they ally with middle eastern governments like Saudi A, which often endorse a puritanical and extreme interpretation of Islam.

Consequently, Saudi government is able export her radical interpretation of Islam to the west, where muslims are supposed to be more civilized. More and more mosques are built in the west and run by extremists masquerading as moderates. These are primary avenues for radicalizing muslims, a major obstacle to Islamic reform. It is bad enough that many reformists had to flee to the west to escape persecutors in their country but it is worse that thanks to western government alliances with pro-radical Islam middle eastern governments, the radicals are gaining grounds in the west.

To be a muslim reformist require guts because the extremists won't hesistate to flatline you.
Yet the reformists have no pillar of support, there is not a single state pursuing Islamic reform.
And thus the radicals have it all, the supporters, the fianancers and of course, the tolerance of the western society.

Empiree:
^^^
Did she complain to you about her outfit being uncomfortable? Did op ask you for unwarranted criticism of yours?. Yes, it's nothing to merry about but worthy of appreciation. You too have a nice jum'ah.

Look, gentleman, am a very busy person and i do not have time for squabbles.

I wasn't discrediting the pilot. My point is that, this isn't a feat. No need to be blown away. One can perform any task with any outfit. But for all intent and purposes, there are recommendable and non recommendable outfits for certain tasks.