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aonag:
who can recommend a very good aluminium window maker, i have a job for you. moderately big job. mufutau55, Egunmogaji..please help out.

What area? The guy that did mine quotation was quite reasonable and the job was up to standard. Caveat emptor, I have used him only once and I was happy with his work and quote, so I am not recommending him on the basis that I guarantee that you will feel the same (i.e. I take no responsibilities)!

Why don't you give you quotes?

writejhn27:
C of O means certificate of Occupancy that is d cert that shows govt has granted u statutory right to occupy that land. whereas Governor consent is granted if there is a transfer of ownership of property that has been granted C of O already

thats notifying d governor that d property has been transfer. Hope it helps

Many thanks. So following that logic, once a land has Governor's Consent, it will have C of O already.

What is the difference between Governor's consent and C of O; which one has more protection?

EgunMogaji:
True, BUT once you identify those two then we can start talking about investments. An investment is simply an asset that is expected to gain value.

Yes?

Not necessarily sir. That old photo of yours when you were still a young fine handsome guy chasing the ladies that you cherish so much and secured away so it does not get lost or damaged is very valuable to you (so an asset to you), but it will not increase in value as it is not valuable to anyone.

EgunMogaji:
It's actually very easy.

Draw two columns on a paper and label one column Asset and the other Liability. Now start putting items in each column

But we (or I) are not talking about assets and liability, but assets and investments

bixton:
If there are any estate management professionals here they can come up with a response.
This topic is slightly two way traffic. Houses have a depreciation value. It's the land that actually appreciates.

I beg to differ again sir. A house will appreciate, just simple economics! Will you be able build a house today for the same amount you built it 10 years ago, or will you be able to build a house in 10 years time for the same amount you build it for today!

Okay, maybe we have fallen into the trap of conflating asset with investment, as there is a subtle difference between the two. As per the English dictionary, an asset is a 'valuable person or thing, something owned by a person, company, etc' (so your wife can be an asset . An investment is 'an outlay of money, effort, resources etc usually for income or profit'. So all investments can be classed as assets (valuable and owned), but not all assets can be classed as investment (not for income or profit)

bixton:
Assets generate revenue.
Liability take away.
A private house is not an asset.
A car used as a taxi or on hire purchase is an asset.

With reference to the bold text. I beg to differ. Though it might not generate an income, it will appreciate in value (capital gain). An asset is something that generates an income or/and appreciates in value. For example, gold bought and kept does not generate an income, but you will agree it is an asset because it eventually appreciates in value. Using you 'car used as taxi or hire purchase' for example, you state it is an asset because it generates income, but you will agree it depreciates in value.

mufutau55:
So nah you be the Bigman wey dey block my view?

Hajji M.

If only I big like that, I be smallman ooh!

Rubbiish:
Is stamped concrete better than interlock in terms of durability?

I cannot say as I am not an expert in this field nor have I had first hand experience of both, but from reading about it on the net, I garner the following (some advantages of stamped concrete over interlocking stones):

a. Unlike Interlocking Stones, Stamped Paving can stay as long as 10 years without grass growing out from grout joints which is one of the biggest disadvantage of Interlocking Stones.

b. Stamped Concrete Paving offers Stable and Durable Paving unlike Interlocking Paving Stones that most times starts sinking when the Stones settle after installation.

c. Longevity and performance Like conventional concrete, stamped concrete will provide decades of service when properly installed and maintained, even when exposed to harsh weather. Adding steel reinforcement or wire mesh will augment the strength and help to control cracking.

I am considering stamped concrete flooring for my compound. Anybody able to recommend someone with good quality of work and reasonable prices and covers the Sango Ota (Ogun State) area? Thank you

KolaShangOne:
MONEY. Alot of us in Nigeria, say 90%, build in stages because we can't afford the money at a stretch. These stages can span for 3-7 years before completion and allows for slow progressive building.

INTEGRITY. As with that popular estate company that had a case of building collapse, most of these already built houses cut corners and you can't vouch for the structural integrity of the building.
Alot of fake things are also in the market.

I spoke with some friends about a topic "IS BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AN INVESTMENT" What is your view?

But how many of these already built homes in these estates have collapsed? Some privately built homes have been reported to collapse as well! And with some of these already built homes, you can pay in stages or buy it with a mortgage, and insure the building. Don't get me wrong, if you are around 24/7 to project manage your building, then that's better, but if you are not around, then it is a time-consuming, tedious, expensive (as you will definitely be cheated) process!

On the continuing subject of compound flooring, found the below on another Nairaland forum thread. Any thoughts?

EgunMogaji:
I have a simple question.

Why are you folks building your own house instead of buying an existing one?

It seemed the thing to do - buy land, build house. However, my experience so far as a Nigerian diaspora building remotely through a third party, it is something I will never do again ever. It is stressful, time-consuming and turning out to be more expensive. Unless you can be there on site to oversee your building project, I will suggest it is better (and possibly cheaper in some cases) in the long run to just buy ready built.

bixton:
Stamped concrete floor also known as Increte is an advanced form of concrete floor due to the addition of pigment. Depending on who is doing it for and your location it's about #2500-#3000 per square meter.
Concrete floor is of two types: (1) with brc/wire mesh layed before pouring concrete ; (2) ordinary concrete casting poured on compacted earth fill.
Interlocking stones is a mixture stone dust/granite) /sharp sand and cement pre-moulds into shape and layed on floor. About #200 sqm to lay stones.

Thank you. I take it the #200 per sqm for laying the interlocking stone is just for labour, and the #2500 - #3000 per sqm for the stamped concrete includes labour and materials?

My peeps, peace and good health be unto you. Does any one have experience/tips/advice regarding stamp concrete (polished and unpolished0 of a compound floor? And is it far more expensive than just concrete flooring or interlocking? Thank you

diordaves:
For a residential grade on slab, (concrete driveway) you do not need a wire mesh (iron) as this will not prevent cracking as normally erroneously thought. This also doesn't necessarily make the concrete driveway stronger.

But there's a reason and advantage for the use of wire mesh; the wire mesh will hold the slab together if there are cracks. Without wire mesh, with cracks, the slab will separate and come loose developing into potholes.

To prevent cracks, the slab should be minimum 4" thick with interval joints to allow for expansion.

Thanks for the info

EgunMogaji:
I missed it, sorry Sir.

Here in the USA you wil use rebar as well as specific mix of concrete which will include granite.

My floor guy chose to not use iron but instead is using gutter sand and granite.

Is this the best way to go? Not sure but I was willing to experiment.

Thanks.

Many thanks for the reply

rabcnesbit:
Thank you. Very useful info! So, all the materials I need is just cement, gutter sand (is this same as sharp sand?), and granite? Do I need iron?

Sir EgunMogaji, I asked the above question some posts back in relation to the concrete flooring of your compound, not sure if you missed it?

snakebeat, bixton, Rubbish, diordaves and EgunMogaji, I thank you all for your advice and time. I am most grateful! I shall opt for the galvanized net base and insist on 40ft high minimum. I shall see if he will agree to do this for N400K. Thank you

Okay, just had a quote for the water tank stand of N425,000 (installed with solid foundation base concrete, 20mm foundation bolt&nut, foundation plate , and tank base of galvanized net base) or N400,000 for wooden tank base instead of galvanized net base) for something like below. Is this a reasonable quote or on the high side? Thank you.

EgunMogaji:
It will be hard to use my project as a true guide because of the way that I'm managing it. I have purchased 30 tons of gutter sand at a cost of N23,000 per ton and 76 bags of cement at N2,540 delivered to site. I have granite on hand. Labour was supposed to be N50K but I will add about half that because of certain challenges that he faced onsite.

Hard for me to calculate the area, I can but for me it's not necessary for my project.

So the only useful bits for you are the price of gutter sand and cement in my locale.

Thank you. Very useful info! So, all the materials I need is just cement, gutter sand (is this same as sharp sand?), and granite? Do I need iron?

bixton:
The tank at the top.
The roof starts at the point the block work ends to the apex of your roofing sheet material.
Kindly take a look at the tank stand behind this build.

Thank you very much for your response. Very much appreciated!

snakebeat:
No sir
The second design is cool

Many thanks!

bixton:
Whichever you choose will work. As long as the height of the tank stand is not beneath the middle point of your roof.
Use the right materials, get a good welder to fabricate it with sufficient braces.

Thank you for the response. When you say "the height of the tank stand is not beneath the middle point of your roof", do you mean the height the lowest tank should be (if I go for the one up, one down arrangement), and sorry if sounds a stupid question, what do you mean by "the middle point of your roof". Thank you?

EgunMogaji:
I'm currently doing this in parts of my compound.

I chose to do regular concrete, not stamped but patterned, over interlock. With interlock, even if you plastic membrane, sand can still gather on top of the membrane between the bricks and allow seeds to germinate. It will require constant maintenance.

You should consider your compound usage and amount of time you will use to maintain it.

Good luck on your decision.

Thank you very much for you response. What are the materials required and roughly how much is cost of labour and quantity of material (per say square metre)?

snakebeat:
Pressure for the lower floor is the advantage for the first pic.
Second pic will have more balance regarding wind effect, as the weight spreads from lower level to upper level.
But 2000 litres for 2units of 3bedroom flat?
I will advise u design a six leg tank stand, split the capacity to 1500 litres serving each unit, making a total of 3000 litres per floor.

Okay, thank you. Will there be a significant loss in pressure to the lower floor if one goes for the second design which is more stable as you say? Also, already have a 2000L tank purchased for the building work, hence reason I was planning to go for the two 2000L combination and not the already bought 2000L tank go to waste.

Still on the subject of water tank stand to hold two 2000L tanks to serve four units (two down, two up) of 3 bed flats (didn't get much response to my original post, except from snakebeat, many thanks sir!), what is the advantages/disadvantages between the two different arrangements below (i.e. first picture shows the two water tanks on the same level, whilst second picture shows one water tank each on different levels). Thank you.

My people. Good afternoon to you all and peace be unto you. I need your advice please regarding doing the flooring of my compound. What are the different types? I know the common one is interlocking, but I have reservation about this because the growth of weed later on on the surface (see attached picture. PS. that is not my compound, just a picture for illustration). I was thinking more of just concrete (is this what is called concrete stamping) like done in the past as my experience of this is that weed never sprout out from underneath. So what is the best method in terms of prevent weed sprouting through (thus lower maintenance), costs and durability? Thank you!

snakebeat:
Yes first H beam culled from rotech77 thread
second galvinized pipe.
They are both water tank steel stand.

If u are in lag, u can contact rotech77 for guidance. Since he has done sth similar.

Many thanks

snakebeat:
H Beams are steel in H form
While galvanized pipe are in circular form.
But u will need to engange an experience welder & a manson to supervise the construction if u are building on a good soil. but if your land is waterlogged, u may need to involve a professional.

snakebeat, thank you very much for the fast response, much appreciated. Is the first picture the H-Beam, and the second picture the 4" galvanised steel? Do you have a picture of the steel stand you were talking about? Thank you