TheGoodJoe:


You have to weigh the factors before judging the coach as a failure. You do not expect Enrique to win the league whhen he coached Celta Vigo. They played good football but they were trophyless.

Barcelona still signed Enrique despite him winning no trophies with Cleta Vigo. The Barca board still considered Enrique a success.

Enrique came to Barca and he delivered multiple titles. With the amount of talent at his disposal and Barca, winning trophies can be a priority.

Arsene Wenger losing his best players regularly at Arsenal showed that what he did at Arsenal was special. Keeping them in the top four and having some fine performances in the Champions League.

TheGoodJoe:


If only trophies and awards count, would Man City employ Pellegrini who was trophy less in Europe?

TheGoodJoe:


I thought you just said only trophies count. Now you are saying Wenger's achievement.

Wenger Kept Arsenal in the top four and regularly getting to the knock out stages of the champions league despite running a tight budget and losing some of his best players in different seasons.

So judging Wenger by trophies does not tell the full story.

TheGoodJoe:


Do you think Man City appointed Pellegrini based on the trophies he won, since he was trophyless in Europe?

TheGoodJoe:


[b]Before the building of the stadium started, Arsene Wenger was one of the best coaches in Europe. They were amazing. His transfers were shrewd and brilliant.

They dominated and caused a lot of teams havoc. It was clear the priority of taking funds slowed him down. So saying Mourinho did this and Mourinho did that does not change facts.

Mouriho has never been in a position to sell players he wished he could keep. This went on season after season at Arsenal and he still kept Arsenal in the top four and competitive in the champions league.

Is people like you who only feel only trophies matter. There is more to football than that.

Pellegrini did not have trophies in Europe but he guided a newly promoted team in the La Liga to the top of the La Liga and the Champions league semi finals.

He guided Malaga who was last on the La Liga table to a team who reached the quater finals of the Champions league.

Arsene worked on a tight budget and kept on selling his best players but he kept Arsenal doing well. That is very difficult.

Titles is not the only result that a coach can achieve. [/b]

TheGoodJoe:


Mourinho won the Champions League with cheapest team used, does that mean that Arsene Wenger must win with a tight budget?

It would have made sense if you are saying Arsene Wenger did not win with the most expensive squad. But, to say he should have won with a cheap squad is ridiculous because the odds are stacked against him.

Simple, if Arsene Wenger had the kind of money Mourinho had at his disposal in his career, Arsene Wenger would have achieved more. That is a fact.

Mourinho must be the coach that has taken the most "expensive squad in the history of football" to one point above relegation. Imagine what he would do with a tight budget career.

TheGoodJoe:


All these does not show that If Mourinho worked on a tight budget, he would have done better than Wenger. He had Demba Ba, Eto'o and Torres in his club and still cried he did not have a striker.

This season, he could not perform because the club did not spend hundreds of millions despite have one of the most expensive squads in football.

He needs money to succeed. Wenger operating on a tight budget is the reason why he does not have their kind of accolades.

Note I am not an Arsenal fan. I am a Cityzen.

TheGoodJoe:


Do not say that again. Invincibles squad are not as good as Mourinho's Inter Squad. I disagree. Cambiasso, Zanetti, Chivu, Walter Samuel, Lucio, Sneijder, Eto'o, Pandev, Milito, Thiago Motta, Dejan Stankovic, Balotelli.

I take that team over that Invincibles team.

Arsene Wenger did well. Mourinho had the Volcano that caused Barca to travel by road. He also was lucky when the referee wrongly disallowed Bojan's goal that would have knocked out Inter.

Luck follows. That is why you can not say Wenger failed or Mourinho won. Is how good did the team perform. Ancelotti did not win the Champions League in 2010 with Chelsea but I was very impressed with his performance.

Menace2Society:
Muppet from a classless club....Chelsea fan since when?

TheGoodJoe:


Arsene Wenger might not have won the champions league but his performance was amazing. They reached the finals, knocked out a star studded Real Madrid. They went a man down early in the finals against Barcelona, the best team in the world with the likes of Deco, Eto'o and Ronaldinho.

Despite the red card in the game, they still went ahead. So do not say he failed. Wenger's champions league performance can not receive the failure tag.

At Inter, Mourinho still used an expensive squad and the team won the Italian league three times back to back. It was not a small team he used.

At Porto, he did well although there was still an influx of players like Derlei and Valente to build the squad.

Mouronho is a good coach but he is not as great as you guys make him. You know if Arsene Wenger blows the kind of Money Mourinho blows on player he would do better.

bash4us:
Now who is a failure?

Wenger was consistence in failure yet his ass wasnt kicked out. Where is " Special one" now?

Menace2Society:
What a junk post

alobright17:
mad man talking did you see wenger or his players talk or twittering about mikel? U lunatic

Emereolevanwill:
arsene the consistent one.

TheGoodJoe:


I am not comparing them to Mourinho. I am saying the club was not weak. Are you saying a team that finished second in the EPL and reached the Semi Final of the champions is weak?

Mourinho did not meet a weak team?

Ancelotti and co. did good jobs at Chelsea but that did not stop Abramovic from sacking them. So why should it be different from Mourinho.

He met a good team and made an impact there.

TheGoodJoe:


Because of his good coaching. Who was Van Persie before he joined Arsenal? Who was Nasri? Song?

Arsene Wenger is not spending like Van Gaal and Pellegrini to bring in someone like Otamendi or De Bruyne who will hit the ground running.

He built most of them.

TheGoodJoe:


Some Blue fans blame the reason flop because the board did not improve the squad of one of the most expensive teams that were champions.

The same people are the first to criticize Arsene Wenger who works on a tight budget. The seasons he dipped into the bank and spent on Ozil and Sanchez, he won back to back FA Cup.

I believe Arsene will dominate if he spends like the other top clubs.

TheGoodJoe:


Ancelotti won the double and was sacked the next season. Di Matteo won the Champions league and Roman sacked him the next season.

This is beyond a Mourinho expectation but the ambitions of clubs.

Mancini won the FA Cup, the next season he win the Premier League, the next season, we sacked him.

TheGoodJoe:



Ruud Gullit won the FA Cup as Chelsea manager.

Below are the achievements of Coach Gianluca Vialli of Chelsea.


Chelsea
FA Cup: 1999–2000
League Cup: 1997–98
FA Charity Shield: 2000
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1997–98
UEFA Super Cup: 1998

All the talk of only Mourinho is hog was. One of the many deceits Chelsea fans get.

gibzzhd:

yes ooo no coach can take a team from 1st to 16nt.only a specialist in failure can do that.specialist in sack lolzzzzzzz..........

cloudgoddess:
cannot believe in the 21st century we are arguing about such trivialities as wearing jewelry and hats and masturbating. how can you not see that there are more important things to be thinking about? oh how powerful religion is in setting humanity back 100's of years in progress

tjmankind:
Toks(2008).

I totally disagree with you.

God says I will remove the stony heart and give man a heart of flesh.

I will write my laws in their heart.

God has given every man conscience, dis is like a checkmate. If u do a thing now, the conscience in you will tell you if it is right or wrong. It is when you give justifications overtime to such act that your conscience tends to keeps shut.

We are the sons of God, and we should be led by the Spirit of God. The Spirit correct, punish, direct, instruct etc. What thing do u want to do in life that you can't ask d Holy Spirit?

Must of the points you made are justification to commit sin. You say you need scriptural backing. Do you need a scriptural backing to be educated?

I would rather advice you to change the heading of this thread to views about those things you listed.

In summary, you contradicted your claim by saying bad habits is different from sinful acts. When something is called bad what comes to your mind? And if something is bad, what does it implies? Will such things lead someone to heaven or encourage sinner to come to Christ?
If you can answer this questions, I believe you will agree with my own point of view that whatever is bad is sinful.

Thank you for your time

God bless us all.

Toks2008:


Quite revealing i guess.

Many pastors have led many to hell with their false teachings.

I know many ladies that refused to be born again because they said they can not do without earings or troussers and many guys also refuse to give their life to christ because they cant do without a bottle of alcohol a day.

Harhzyz:
Dear Arsene Wenger, I find myself writing this letter not out of anger but out of frustration. As a fan (not customer, fan) of the Arsenal I find it hard to get angry with the team’s performances these days because to be frank, nothing surprises me anymore. I have seen it all before. Arsenal are, to some extent, masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. So why am I writing this? As I have touched upon above, it is a letter borne out of frustration.

Frustration that the club, run by you Mr Wenger is in a never ending cycle of mediocrity when things can be so much better given the resources at our disposal. If you love Arsenal as much as you say you do, please do the best for the club and accept you have taken it as far as you can, resign and allow another manager to take the club forward. You can enjoy your legacy of revolutionizing English Football and enjoy the fact you had a hugely successful first 10 years at Arsenal. No doubt you will read this and think “what does he know? hehasn't worked 2 minutes in football or won the FA cup” and you are quite right, I haven’t. That doesn't make my opinion any less valid, nor does it prevent me from havingone. I am a pragmatist, to me, to flourish is to adapt, to be questioned, to be challenged and in top level sport, to win.

Since you have managed the club, your style and philosophy hasn't changed, hasn't evolved but English Football has. Failure to adapt is costing us dearly. Failure to address obvious weaknesses within the squad, the failure to bring in adequate or superior replacements for those players departing. Failure to address the lack of discipline in the team, not from a fouling perspective but from a tactical one, 3-2 up at home and we have 5 playersin an advanced position against a team who by your own admission are excellent on the counter attack.

It isn't just this week’s capitulation against Anderlecht that prompts this letter it is a culmination of events throughout your tenure. The team do not learn lessons; the defence still make elementary mistakes. Blaming the players is the easy option but the back four was the same in February 2011 when we conceded 4 against Newcastle at St James Park, 8 against Manchester United, 6 against Manchester City, 4 against Tottenham at home in 2008. Was the manager the same. Yes. That isn't bad luck; it’s atrend, one you haven’t addressed over the years. There is no doubt you are stubborn, can that work to one’s advantage? Absolutely, but it can also be detrimental if left unchecked, unfortunately it seems the latter is true. So you won’t resign, what is next? How do we change things? How can we ensure mistakes are not repeated?

May I suggest the following? * If Steve Bould isn't coaching the defence, let him, if he is then perhaps it’s time to delegate that away from him or bring in some ex- players who know a thing or two about defending, Messer’s Keown & Adams would be a good starting point.* Address the team’s obvious defensive weaknesses, accept the Wenger way may not be what’s best for Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC and purchase accordingly. There is a good reason the saying “you get what you pay for” exists and in most cases, rings true.

There are some excellent defenders in the Premiership who would love to represent such a prestigious club like the Arsenal. Winston Reid was a good example. * Bring in a tactician who can be a pragmatist as an assistant manager, someone who can offer a different opinion, challenge you and can set up a team according to the opponent. That’s not to say attacking football to which we are known for is compromised, it’s a pragmatic approach to ensure a good solid defensive foundation is built enabling the attacking players to express themselves. * Bring in an external party to evaluate the training methods & playing surfaces in order to better understand why so many of the players suffer muscular injuries. Shad Forsythe is an excellent addition; let’s focus on prevention rather than cure /rehabilitation. * Play players in their natural position, this sounds simple and it is, a number 10 (Ozil) is played as a number 10, not as a winger. Players who aren't performing are taken out of the limelight to regain form (Ramsey) and players who are in form are played regularly not because they are a favourite of the manager.(Sanogo over Joel Campbell / Lukas Podolski) Now that may not be the case, but looking from the outside in, that’s the impression we get. * Make substitutions based on the needs of the game. If a player isn't performing, be amanager, break your loyalty to that player and take him offat half time rather than the 70th minute.

Be pragmatic, again, using Anderlecht as an example, if we are 3-2 up, don’t bring on attacking players, get on the touch line, organize 2 banks of 4 and if you absolutely have to have an attacking player on, use Walcott to hit them on the break and / or run into the channels to hold the ball up and keep possession. * Have a plan and listen to counsel – Identify the teams weaknesses, identify replacements and start doing the ground work as much as you can (within the rules of course) before the transfer window opens. Pay the asking price, using the Arsenal brand to sell to the player, get the deal done, the player settled wellin time for pre-season as Manchester City & Chelsea havedone in the past to their benefit. As a manager it is your job to identify the players you and your coaching staff think we need, not to negotiate fee’s or argue on what youthink a player is worth. That is for the Chief Executive and Finance Director to worry about. I have decided not to mention the issues at board level, I wanted this letter to focus on what can be changed on the field and training pitches. This is not a personal attack; it is to raise concerns, to point out flaws, offer constructive solutions.

It may not always seem obvious but the fans criticize because they care. We like you Arsene, more so we love Arsenal FC. Let’s either see a change of manager or a change in approach. Being challenged and admitting mistakes isn't a weakness it’s a sign you are prepared to change, prepared to evolve and hopefully be as successful as you were in the first 10 years as manager of this great club.