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youngpresidooo:
no unity in the church because they didn't greet SCOAN who they don't count as church?

Thought you said you had given up?

Mikecold:
I am perfectly ok, I didn't want to spill the real deal because it's all what your eyes can't see which the spiritual father's can see

I don't even take any side, I am just a spiritual observer that is sensitive and know the way these deceits work

Good to know that a supposed ex disciple of his has confirmed here that he and his own spiritual father had a battle in a revelation

I am sure he doesn't even know what that means and how he has been under a covenant with the powers TB Joshua took cut with

Is it any surprise they are fighting you for been an ex outside the "synagogue"

Meanwhile something is pushing him from not attending the funeral I am sure alot of ex disciples of alive feel same way

Buhahahahaha
Millions of his disciples world wide also claims to meet him in their dreams and he heals and bring solutions to their problems
Infact I know of one personally

So talk another thing

Tatiana4u:
Ask Google.

Gbam

dgudlyf:
Den you should you also wait till you and ur xtended family are able to attain 1% of his success b4 calling his music wack

Buhahahahaha
But I aligned with omah lay and Bella Shmurda
Or is laycon's success greater than theirs

Babinski:
Are you saying TB Joshua is a "prophet" who did not have to give his life to Christ because you couldn't see one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

1. Anyone who did not give his life to Christ from the day Jesus resurrected till date is not a Christian much less a prophet. If TB Joshua is that kind of prophet, then sorry is the case because he is then confirmed not to be a Christian prophet!

2. Old Testament prophets before Jesus died and resurrected didn't have to give their life to Christ because they were under the Old Covenant.

3. All genuine Christian prophets post-Jesus death and resurrection have to be born again first and foremost. Prophecy after the New Testament is different from the Old Testament. Prophecy is a spiritual gift for the service of God and not the veneration of men. Read more below:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/sam-storms-what-does-scripture-teach-about-office-prophet-gift-prophecy/?amp

Okay
Christ never abolished the old testament so I don't know what you are talking about

Babinski:
Are you saying TB Joshua is a "prophet" who did not have to give his life to Christ because you couldn't see one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

1. Anyone who did not give his life to Christ from the day Jesus resurrected till date is not a Christian much less a prophet. If TB Joshua is that kind of prophet, then sorry is the case because he is then confirmed not to be a Christian prophet!

2. Old Testament prophets before Jesus died and resurrected didn't have to give their life to Christ because they were under the Old Covenant.

3. All genuine Christian prophets post-Jesus death and resurrection have to be born again first and foremost. Prophecy after the New Testament is different from the Old Testament. Prophecy is a spiritual gift for the service of God and not the veneration of men. Read more below:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/sam-storms-what-does-scripture-teach-about-office-prophet-gift-prophecy/?amp

Okay
Christ never abolished the ok testament so I don't know what you are talking about

Nawa oo

One is questioning why his old time members desert him and never return

Another is questioning why his members don't leave and form their own like they are in some kind of bondage

Una go dey alright laslas

Mikecold:
See ehnn, I don't hate Joshua

I appreciate all he does, but christianity is deep o

The Bible said in the end the anti Christ would come he would deceive even the elect, he would even perform miracles, same Bible says the devil can translate to an angel of light

I don't call Joshua demon but his case is why I perfectly believe the above can happen when anti Christ comes.

We leave God to Judge ultimately, but go and search your history when T. B Joshua started ministry he was very controversial he could claim to be casting demons yet take the person through different pains, flinging them like a wrestler (he brought that trait into Christianity of which today we all recognize such men of god to be fake who get powers from devil because Christ isn't interested in jamboree and pains of victims)

He brought the trait of putting stuffs into water mixing it and selling to members into Christianity of which today it is rampant and we know such to be fake because Christ healing is free (they get powers from higher demons to cast lesser demons)

In Paul time he also encountered a diviner who could tell the future and wanted to collaborate with Paul for money.

Joshua's early disciples revealed these things, and alot of them where confirmed true by the end users who are by products of the whole thing.

He discards his disciples and workers up to choristers regularly over the years and you never see the numerous old ones again we don't know what always happen to them (always mysterious)

He gives same disciples his powers to do miracles like he does as if Jesus gave him the patent to it (No offense this is fake and Not Jesus)

When he discard them they never ever come close to him again (did they die or where shut out for what they know?)

Could this be why he doesn't fancy branches of his church so things don't leak?

So what is the gain of all these to the devil, could it be that he has taken a deal with the higher demons for short fame and trade his congregation into bondage with the devil

I mean same congregation that keep going for miraculous sessions spend money in his hotel to see him, buy his holy water are infested with more demons, and keep coming and never get healed

Could it be that in the spiritual realm this his members even when they keep hearing Jesus, claim to be saved etc have been traded into chains as agreement with the very synagogue dedicated to a higher demons

Jesus sure won't souls that continues to be flocks of one in a deal with devil

Can the demons make deal with some one for fame yes, can they perform wonders yes, do these things have duration yes, can souls be transferred yes, ask Yahoo boys using girls who run mad later

So at the end the philanthropy work of giving, donating, been humble can't take you to heaven when you don't follow the Jesus door

You can't follow the Jesus door when you have traded your soul to the devil for gain

The donation etc is just an avenue of collecting money from your followers giving it and claiming the glory for yourself

Yet he did this perfectly for over thirty years of his ministry with major foreigners all over toppling themselves to see and associate with him?

You will be fine

youngpresidooo:
I have explained all this tiredlessly.
I just had to give up

Sharap!
Give me names!!

You that gave your life to Christ, how many souls have you drawn to Christ?

Babinski:
Yes. Christianity is about being Christ-like. Christ would visit and eat with sinners who acknowledge they are sinners and wish to repent just as he did with Zacchaeus the tax collector. However Christ will not visit a sinner who rather than acknowledge his sins, claims to be a saint!

TB Joshua claimed to have been born again from the womb. In Christianity you cannot become born again from the womb. It is anti-Christ teaching. So Adeboye as well as PFN and CAN do not see TB Joshua as a Christian in the first place. And TB Joshua was difficult to convert or associate with because rather than acknowledge his sins, he was claiming saint.

It is heresy in Christianity to teach or claim being born again from the womb. In fact it is a very dangerous teaching. And God does not take kindly to false or heretic teachers. People who teach heresy repeatedly are to be ex-communicated and sent away from the church according to Biblical teachings. False teacher and prophets may give you food and clothes and be nice to you and perform miracles. But as far as God is concerned a false prophet is a danger and an abomination before God!

Okay
But y'all are dragging your feet in mentioning one, just one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

damocool:
Salvation is personal, yes. But one gotten from ones mother's womb will take no one to anywhere but hell.. Thanks

Okay
But rest assured prophet Tbj is resting well in his father's bosom

Wail and gnash your teeth over where you will be on the Last day
Mr assistant Jesus

damocool:
Neither did I ask you such question sir.

Neither should you be bothered on how others got saved madam
Salvation is personal!

youngpresidooo:
mention one prophet in this dispensation that is not born again.
I have explained it many times that we are in the time of Grace . No one can come and say I am this and that without being born again.
It is a path everyone must pass.
All the five fold ministry is for the edification of the church. How do you edify the church that you never a born again?

Are you afraid to mention names?
Cos I don't understand this beating about the bush, madam

youngpresidooo:
the bible is talking about you not to judge but never said the bible shouldn't be a judge.
Common you should understand the bible na.

Sharap!
The Bible isn't a judge either

Only Christ is!

youngpresidooo:
whatsoever office he claims to be in.. I still ask where he claimed to be born again with his life experience.
When he got out from being close to professor peller

Same place the prophets from the Bible got theirs

damocool:
Well, I don't know the way you got yours, you might probably got it the way TB got his from his mother's womb.

I also don't know how you got yours
Might be from a brothel

youngpresidooo:
I am refuting it that he is not the most popular pastor. Infact I think using an humanitarian to his name will be better.
Except you show me where he talked about his Godly experience I still don't call him a pastor

Did he ever tell you he was a pastor?

youngpresidooo:
I just told you that it is not I judging but the bible who is everyone reference. If I say what you are doing is wrong based on my discretion. Then I am judging you on my own.

But you shouldn't judge at all
Please refer to the scripture where you are supposed to judge using the scripture as discretion?

[quote author=damocool post=103603449][/quote]Okay
So the way you got your salvation is the exact way I got mine?

youngpresidooo:
see bro fake pastor will never stop existing but if you can't say you are born again men it is a first red flag.if you lie it is your own cup of tea.
Doctrine differs. Infact doctrines are given to all churches based on the leading of the holy spirit and that is why as a christian you go to where God leads you to not follow crowd. A church might be good but not meant for you.because of the purpose of God in your life.

Do you even realize Tbj is a prophet and not a pastor?
You keep lumping him together to satisfy your hypocritical self

His church is not your regular church but a conventional one

His daughter did not even wed in his church neither did he officiate it

His daughter wedded in a regular church not scaon

youngpresidooo:
yes infact righteousness is same for everybody.
No one can be righteous but christ in us makes us righteous when God sees you He sees christ not you
We are covered by christ. And the only way to access christ righteousness is by accepting God has our personal saviour.
Holiness can differ to every believer depending on their level in Christ. We grow daily in Him but righteousness is same to all.

So the way I got saved was the exact same way you got yours?

Yarn me something

youngpresidooo:
but the bible can judge right.
If I tell you this is what the bible says and you are going against it and you feel it is been judgemental fine .
I am not the one judging you but God's word

Sharap!
" Do not judge so as not to be judged"

Bible scholar that doesn't know his Bible

youngpresidooo:
yes na. Anything during other dispensation doesn't matter to the now. It was just a shadow of the current dispensation.
Is like seeing someone buying goat and praying on it and killing it and saying he passes his sin to the goat to redeem him from his sin.
Is it in the bible?
Yes it is.
Is it right?
No it is not.
Why?
Dispensation is different

Too much English!
Mention one prophet that gave his life to Christ?

Babinski:
You can't stop anyone from sending message to you. But when you send message to anyone, you acknowledge that person and it shows you have some form of relationship. Adeboye had no relationship with TB Joshua and TB Joshua deciding to send message to Adeboye is his own business. It was not solicited.

His business?
I thought Christianity is Christ-like?

youngpresidooo:
it is between you and God bro..
And it is left for me to test your spirit.
But at least you confessed with your mouth that you had an encounter.
Born again involves confessing with your mouth and believe in your heart

So all these ones Tbj has been doing is not confessing and believing?
People and criticism sha

damocool:
I think if the old testament has been our guide, I am very sure that you must have been killed by now because of things you must have done wrong.. Jesus is our perfect example that we follow.. If it's not necessary, christ wouldn't had submitted himself to be baptized by John. And Christ is greater than all these prophets together.

Still didn't answer the question

damocool:
You're the gullible one here sir and you don't seem to understand what Salvation is all about.

Okay
So we must all have same salvation?
Lecture me

And mention prophets too from the Bible that got salvation?

youngpresidooo:
show me one genuine one and that the person didn't refute it after leaving the church...
I am serious.
Just one.
I am challenging you.
A testimony outside of tb joshua church

Buhahahahaha
Many,I mean Many

My bro in law
My sis
My neighbors
So many personal people I know

Next?

youngpresidooo:
I mentioned dispensation. Mention one prophet after the death and resurrection of jesus that wasn't baptized

I asked you a question and you are throwing it back at me

youngpresidooo:
brainwashed by the bible right? Because I am replying you scripturally not based on any pastor.
I am not into emotional talk but what the bible says

And I also remember the Bible telling us not to judge
Is that page missing from your Bible?

youngpresidooo:
the bible talk about by their fruit you shall know them.
Bible talk about testing all spirits.
See my first acceptance of you being a christian is if you can give me a testimony of how you gave your life to christ. It doesn't come by birth it comes by conviction with an experience that you can never forget.
I don't dispute the fact that you might backslide but it doesn't change the fact that you have accepted Christ once in your life and will still come back to christ.
But not that you never did .. haba.
See no matter what Fatoyinbo does, bad I see it as maybe he backslided but not that he is not a christian because he has a testimony of how he gave his life to christ. So it is left for him to hold on to the faith but he is in the body of christ.
But Tb joshua doesn't have a testimony

So if I concoct a story on how I gave my life to Christ, you will automatic believe?

You are so gullible!

youngpresidooo:
the question is did they send a condolence letter to Ajumobi, to past head of states that died? Are they not popular? Why was there not all this fuzz? So why should they send to TB joshua who most don't count him as a christian?

But Tbj sent his condolence
Respect is reciprocal!