9jacrip:



I knew you had to be Oyo!

So Oyo knows history of Ife better than Ife, interesting. If you want to learn Ife history, listen to what Ife history says and not what Oyo thinks Ife history is about. No one can tell the history of someone else better than the person.


1. Oduduwa didn't 'came to' Ife. Oduduwa was from Ife in Oke Ora, he only saw a 'weakness' in Obatala and usurped power. Oduduwa was in Ife with Obatala, Oreluere, Baba Sigidi, Osangangan Obamakin, Oluorogbo, Orunmila, Gbonkaa etc

2. Oranmiyan was in Oyo, he came back after long after Oduduwa had passed.

3. My previous post said all Oduduwa's children met at Ita Ajero where they deliberated and agreed on moving out of Ife. And no, Oranmiyan was not 'entitled' to the throne, he only didn't want to lose the seat back to the people his father waged a war against to have.

4. Oduduwa was no stranger, he was from Ife living ag Oke Ora. Read up man, this thing had been discussed execissvely on NL.

5. There was peace & tranquility. The two wars Ife experienced were that of Oduduwa against Obatala then that of Oranmiyan against Obalufon. Oranmiyan may have come to Ife with a retinue of soldiers from Oyo but Obalufon like Obatala was never a soldier and had no chance against a battle like Oranmiyan anyways.

6. Ife is the only town in Yoruba land & history that never had a standing army. We never fought any wars and wars were never brought to us. Our first attempt with Owu had us badly beaten till Ijebu came to our rescue. Modakeke beat us a number of times until the last war.

How is Alaafin the head? By divine right or by military conquest? If by military conquest, did the towns he subdued revolt and conquered him for their independence or not?

Oyo, like Owu, like Ibadan, like Ijebu, like Idanre, like Ondo all had one thing in common - military might that faded.

Towns had already fought for and won independence before Oyo fell, Oyo has fallen and what we have now is a make shift Oyo. No town is under Oyo. Ibadan rivals Oyo side by side now as peers. Alaafin is like any other king in Yoruba land, there's no military might to fetch him any clout, fear or to coerce towns under him.

Let these sink in.

glossy6:


This your signature self. Are you living for Christ or leaving for him? Please lets be sure of what you mean.

Shikena:

Looks like you have comprehension issues bros and you somehow managed to confuse that with wisdom. I never said Ooni's visit has anything to do with the issue of superiority. I see his visit as a departure from the cul-de-sac of superiority claims.
You made a stupid statement that the Alaafin and the Oyos are ignorant of history and now you are making stuffs up. Oyo history is clear that Oranmiyan is a direct offspring of Oduduwa. It is also clear in stating that the royalty belongs to Oranmiyan and that the Ooni is a priest not a royalty. This has been Oyo history for centuries. The arithmetic of the king of Ife being automatically superior because Oduduwa settled in and died in Ife is not a fact of history in Oyo Yoruba. Oyos have NEVER ever been subjects of any priest or Oba at Ife. It did not happen in the 15th or 18th century and it won't happen in 2016. That's where re-writing history from now till the end of time using today's mindset won't change anything. Let the Ooni concentrate on the development of his people and let the Alaafin do the same while they are still constitutionally recognized

9jacrip:


Uncle, stop it.

1. Olowu's mother was the first child of Oduduwa not Orangun.

2. Oduduwa never shared lands. His sons met at ita ajero in Ife where they chose to head in groups north, west, south, east where they either found a town from scratch or joined an existing group to start a monarchy.

3. The first place Oranmiyan founded was Osile in Abeokuta, then Bini & Oyo.

4. After Oduduwa passed & with his sons moving out, Obatala's people decided to take back what was theirs & assumed the throne starting with Osangan Obamakin to Obalufon.

5. There was no slave boy anywhere in our history. After Oranmiyan came back, he met Obatala's people on the throne & consolidated themselves. He went to war & sent them packing - reason the Ilaje migrated to Ondo.

6. Oduduwa's children had taken most of their father's royal materials and after he passed the Idanre group stole Oduduwa's crown and left Ife. They have it till now and this is why Ooni goes to Oke Ora during where Oduduwa came from coronation to be given Oduduwa's own crown but the Idanre group had taken it so when the Ooni goes there a make shift crown of Oduduwa is made for him with iroko leaves and some othee materials by Olojudo.

7. The Obatala group had intensified their strong hold and they had the ade-are, Obamakin's crown to go with it. Oranmiyan came back, waged a war, sent Obalufon packing and took the ade-are which every Ooni wears once in a year because it does not belong to them - to wear it, they call th Obatala people to tend to it first in order to make it wearable.

8. All the founding houses in Ife today descended from Oranmiyan.

9. Oduduwa was the first Ooni but the aspect of priesthood was done by Obatala while Orunmila did the Ifa aspect.

10. The long & tedious process of installing an Ooni - eating, body marks, rubbing on the skin, marks on the head, drinking, initiation into different cults & periodic orisa possession makes the king Ooni Orisa. The last of the 201 deities.

Gerrit?

9jacrip:



As regards paying tax to Alaafin.

Have you ever heard the saying 'omode gbon, agba gbon ni afi da ile ife'?

If yes or no, there's a history behind it.

When Oyo was at its peak of military exploits (can't remember the Alaafin who was on the throne at this time), it turned to Ife & demanded tax.

The people of Ife met and decided to send gifts including a heifer to the Alaafin but Ife people demanded that the babies from the cow be sent back to Ife periodically.

Oyo became trapped and dropped any form of taxations against Ife permanently.

Hence the saying, 'Omode gbon, agba gbon, l'afi da'le Ife'

In this case, Oyo was/is the Omode.

Thank me later for free history lessons.

Realmcfynest:

Yes i understand your assertion but let us not forget histoty.
Oranmiyan was the last born of oduuwa. The eldest which was orangun of Ila. Afte oduduwa shared the land between his sons, oranmiyan was not around, infact he was at benin, when he left benin(in annoyance) after installing his son, he came back to his father for his own share of the land. But his father daid he hd shared all the lands between his brothers and told him that he will rule after him (as the oonirisha), this position shouod have naturally gone to Orangun of Ila but Orangun never contested the decision (we do not know why).
After this, oranmiyan departed to form his own kingdom (oyo ile). This kingdom grew in power and wealth, then his father died and he (Oranmiyan) should have gone home but didn't go. Instead a slave boy who was with the oonirisha(oduduwa) then became the ooni. This was why he was paying tax to the allafin(oranmiyan).
It was after the Brits came that yhey elevated the ooni to be over the allafin because they felt since it was the cradle/oringin of the yoruba race, the king should be the first.
Please note: oduduwa was the first ooni, he met people in yoruba land. Infact obatala(oba ti ala) was one of the minor kings then.

scholes0:


Guy, wake up..
The reign of Oyo as a traditional state is loooong gone.

Yoruba states all broke free of Oyo since the collapse of Oyo Ile. The only other thing that unites all of us now is our common language, common source of origin and its king, (Ile Ife and the Ooni).
Where did oranmiyan the first king of Oyo come from if Ooni is not a king?

Realmcfynest:
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Realmcfynest:
You are not alone bro


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UbaniOgbonna:

Kamarudeen Ogundele, Ado Ekiti

The All Progressives Congress in Ekiti State has accused Governor Ayodele Fayose of alleged complicity in the fuel supply crisis in the state.

In a statement by the state Publicity Secretary, Taiwo Olatunbosun, the party said it was in possession of “incontrovertible evidence” that the governor was allegedly contributing to the scarcity of fuel in the state to sabotage the President Muhammadu Buhari’s administration.



Accusing Fayose and his aides of mischievously disparaging the President for not doing enough to make fuel available to Nigerians while they were the actual culprits, Olatunbosun said available information confirmed that daily allocations of fuel to the state were allegedly being diverted to other states with the alleged connivance of some National Union of Petroleum and Natural Gas officials.

But reacting, Fayose’s Special Assistant on New Media and Public Communication, Lere Olayinka, said the allegation was unfounded, telling the APC to be wise.

“Is it the governor that is also responsible for fuel scarcity in other states? They are only trying to seek relevance. They better face the task of bringing good governance to the people,” he added.

Olatunbosun said available records revealed that 10 trailers of fuel for Ekiti State on Fayose’s request were diverted mostly to stations outside the state.

“The Secretary to the State Government, Dr. Mrs Dupe Alade, had earlier written for same allocation but her letter to NNPC was stepped down when Fayose used his office to request for the allocation of fuel to 10 filling stations, many of which do not exist in Ekiti State.

“The governor’s letter was addressed to the Area Manager at Mosimi and minuted to Ore and was processed by the Ore office of NNPC.

“The trailers were loaded on Wednesday and Thursday the 20th and 21st of April but the real fuel companies and vendors were prevented from loading until the 10 trailers demanded by the governor left the depot but were diverted to other stations outside Ekiti State,” he stated.

Olatunbosun stated that the development reportedly elicited protests and complaints from the real fuel marketers in Ekiti State, adding that this had resulted in acute shortage of fuel in the state with few stations dispensing fuel selling at prohibitive costs to the masses that Fayose claimed to be their friends.

He listed the company names in the letter of the governor to include Amsek Filling Station opposite Omolayo along Ikere road, Ado-Ekiti, that is selling above official price.

“Other stations not in existence in Ekiti State but which appeared in the governor’s letter is Royal Oil, which the letter falsely claimed to exist in Omuo-Ekiti.

“Rova Oil, also on the governor’s letter, no longer exists in Ekiti because it has since been sold and its name changed and it is now operating under NNPC. It is located in Ajilosun area of the state capital and selling above NNPC official price.

“Other non-existent stations in Ekiti but which appeared in the governor’s letter and was allocated fuel is Bisi Jay located in Ile-Oluji in Ondo State.

“The other company that received Ekiti State’s allocation is Ademur located in Osun State. This company has no station in Ekiti and it has no lifting right or permit in Ore, while Eyeowa Fuel that got allocation does not exist in Ekiti,” he explained.

He alleged that Moson Global located in Ifon, Ondo State, also received Ekiti allocation at NNPC official price but selling above official price to the public.

He challenged the governor to deny ever writing to the NNPC for fuel allocation.

“There is need for the security agencies and the Minister for Petroleum to investigate the governor’s activities at the NNPC offices both in Ore and Mosimi and the roles of NUPENG officials in this wicked unleashing of pains on Ekiti people by unpatriotic act to sabotage the Federal Government,” he added.


http://www.punchng.com/fayose-behind-fuel-scarcity-apc-alleges/

BreketeMind:
Kola: Ol' boy I'm finished. I no go lie u. Dino: if u wey be prezy dey like, trouble dey oh.

myfantasies:
After all dat i taught u

I am disappointed

twoondei:
See revelation[code][/code]. Hehe

Peritus:
The old law on fornication/adultery was changed by Christ in Matthew 5:25. Now, looking at a woman lustfully is sinful.
The whole of new testament condemns fornication and adultery in entirety, except you are a Judaist.

whytepawn1:
@OP you should try to understand a Bible Scripture before you say anything. most a times a proceeding or preceding verse helps to shed more light . The Bible is explicitly clear on issues like this. ADULTERY and FORNICATION are sins, it doesn't matter if the lady in question is a virgin or not.