ZaddyJ:

Wait re you saying he did not say that or it was just a lie to gas light him?

You can be judged by your word that matches you action ,do you know that?

I said it is a false narrative not whether he did not say those words

I already explained the context of the interview in my previous post and you still ask me a question such as this?

malali:


Your English is hard to read. But i will try and explain to you...Food security means making sure Nigerians have enough food to purchase at affordable prices.
Food is supply and demand, the demand has not changed people are still eating like they did 2 years ago. What has changed is the supply, In USA, They grow so much corn, they feed their cows corn. In Nigeria if you buy 100 trailers of corn today, the price of corn will go up in the whole country. Thats food insecurity. If we grow so much corn that we export to 20 other African countries, alot of people will be billionaires in dollars,If we produce so much poultry and export as frozen chicken, instead of importing it from cotonou, the economy will improve.

I agree there are issues, but Nigeria is so large if more people farm the insecurity will be reduced, [b]We need big equipment farming, tractors, huge storage facilities, silos, coop boards, commodities boards.

Again, the number of farmers in Nigeria don't have anything to do with food insecurity. The example you gave at least should have enlightened you that there's food insecurity chiefly because we lack the methods and agricultural capital (funds and machinery) to produce enough coupled with the prevailing security situation.

@bold last paragraph

You gave answer to the obvious problem but still went ahead to campaign for more farmers, more farmers with cutlass and hoe I guess.
There are more farmers in Nigeria than in the US but they grow so much corn in the US than in Nigeria. What does that tell you
The farmers we have in Nigeria are more than enough if given the right incentives.

Let me ignore the first line in your opening paragraph since it is obvious you're only trying to be disrespectful.

ZaddyJ:

Bru all you just type here are just long stories to defend the alcohol gulping drunken sailor . Kiss the truth or forget remain silence. Jonathan pave d way for the retard party called APCHEAT .
If he had stocked to yaradua blue prints no one will vote Buhari or APC. During yaradua regime all the regions in Nigeria were at peace ,food prices crashed, dangote dominance in our economy was broken which gave room for d cement company called IBETO , security was minimal, petrol included ( d man was for the poor masses) elections were won at the supreme court aftr yrs of long battle due to electoral corruption which gave oshiomole is. Victory.
But when your uncle came( the drunken sailor) just because he wants to please the northern elders as against the poor people of the land he gave dangote d sole distributor of our consumables then left us to question is credibility as a president . My dear I cant argue o

Well, I don't care about any of the other things you said and I don't want to entangle myself in them. Jonathan left government almost 10 years ago so I don't want to bug myself with discourse about him when there are several other numerous problems that are ongoing.

I only drew your attention to the false and nonsensical stealing is not corruption people say and credit to Jonathan.
Assuming you paid attention, you would have noticed I only talked about that in my opening submission.

If you want us to talk about food prices and cement then versus now or what Jonathan did and what not, you can let me know

malali:
[b]Nigeria needs more farmers not Office workers.

You want to be a Billionaire in Nigeria ?

This expensive food prices will last for atleast 3-5 years.

Start farming today and you will be rich in naira or dollar.

Everybody must eat.[/b]

There is food insecurity in Nigeria not because the number of farmers are not enough. More than 40% of the Nigerian population is into one form of agriculture or the other so I don't understand some of saying things as though you know it.

Why are you campaigning for more farmers when some of the existing ones can't go to their farms.
Less than 10% of the American population is into farming, but there is no food insecurity as life threatening as that of Nigeria that has up to 50% into agriculture, what does that tell you.

You think it is the cutlass and hoe agriculture we do in Nigeria that will create food security

ZaddyJ:

Not Jonathan but Musa the messiah Yardadua who pave the way for the drunken sailor who could not hold his own and all the region in ss ,se and Sw could not support his second bid because of poor governance caused by stealing and corruption
Thereby using the statement such as "CORRUPTION IS NOT THE SAME AS STEALING "mantra
In conclusion Yaradua raised a bar and left a big shoe non of them could fit into
Rest Well Dr Musa yaradua. The best president Naija ever had

Anybody still re-echoing this nonsense at this time is not a serious person and don't want to learn.

Jonathan was only giving context in that interview and not whether stealing is not corruption...if he meant it literally then what is stealing then that he said from the interview?

Corruption is a bogus term that covers all forms of dishonest behavior, and not just taking money that does not belong to you. Jonathan was saying that Nigerians resonates more with the term "thief" that when a politician or anyone is caught in the act, they should be called a "thief" instead of the generic corruption.
That it is the reason some people even with corruption trials hanging over their heads, still stand for elective positions and win. If they are called "thieves" the Nigerian population would know better.

For instance,

John is corrupt,
John is a thief,

What does a common Nigerian know about "John being a corrupt person". "John being a thief" resonates with everyone.

The gravity of those two statements in the Nigerian experience, weigh more on the second, that is the context Jonathan was making but some people are still neck deep into the nonsense APC said then during election cause they know most Nigerians refuse to read and are very impulsive.
Since stealing is corruption now under APC and the party has been in power for 9 years, where are the corrupt people in government the APC administration has apprehended?

Okwyjesus:


Pastor Adeboye is not the problem of Nigeria. He is helping to solve the problem with the church cutting edge CSR and employing thousands including helping to develop Mowe axis of Lagos / Ibadan expressway.

Don't ever insult him else you won't live to his age of 82.

It's not everybody you insult and go free.

You are free to insult me, but don't cross the fire red line

Shut up man and your man of god.

Nigerians always threatening people with their fake religion.
Did Adeboye's son live to 82 years before he died? Doesn't that show you that Adeboye doesn't have any power of approval over living and dying?

I still don't understand why many Nigerians always conjure up something to defend the very people deceiving them

Soludo, another fraud that hide behind beautiful talk and past CBN glory.

Like the proverbial pig pen that don't fail to stain everybody, failure to dismantle our criminal political system will continue to stain whoever that's thrown into it.

Until Nigerians elect someone that's "READY" to lead from the top, we will continue to create new lows to descend to.

nairalanda1:




The only interest I rerpesent is to argue that Nigeria needs to change its economic ways.

I don't support APC, I am not a supporter of your PDP, they are both the same to me.

Subsidy is wrecking our economy. You cannot have it both ways.

I would rather have you respond to the other critical issues in my submission than you saying "your PDP"

Is subsidy the reason for the growth in the landing cost like you made it appear in your lead post?
Will removing subsidy reduce the landing cost?

Instead of you to be talking about the forex debacle that is largely responsible for the growth in subsidy since 2015, you are obsessed with subsidy subsidy.
Is subsidy the reason inflation is at a record high

ElasmoBranchii:


I don't know why people are saying Aina isn't good cause if they followed the tournament from the beginning they've seen that the guy is very good. Some of them just watched the finals and started typing rubbish.

Yes the guy's performance in the final wasn't good but it was obvious that he was gassed out cause it was only in the 2nd half that he wasn't playing well.

I get the attack on Iwobi honestly he deserves it but not Aina.

Shut it man

It is football, nobody deserves to be bullied insulted.

nairalanda1:
If one has been following this thing for as long as I have, you would see that we are paying a subsidy.

1.APC apologists cry that fuel is not being subsidised...well it is. Landing cost was N720 as at October, now it is N1000..meaning subsidy costs rose from N20-140 to N300-420 per liter today. We are pushing ourselves into more debt so see where we are

2.IN 2012 january, landing cost was N99 per liter, now it is N1000. Fuel price was N97 per liter now it is N580-720.

Assuming Nigeria kept fuel at N97 per liter as some PDP apologists wanted , by now subsidy would have risen from N2 per liter to N920 per liter ...and note that fuel consumption has risen over the years.

We would have a debt that would make our current debt look like the pocket money you give your 10 year old.

See how much subsidy costs? But all of you, be it PDP or APC or LP, many of you want it.


Oya, come and get your fuel at N97....lol.

@bold

That your particular assertion is incorrect. The over bloated percentage of subsidy paid is as a result of naira devaluation/Forex, and not growth in consumption and subsidy payment in actuality.
After the supposed removal of subsidy and the hike in the price of PMS, consumption reduced drastically yet the landing cost has grown so why do you feel it is as a result of government paying subsidy. I really don't understand your grouse with subsidy. If subsidy is totally removed today, as long as naira is getting weaker, the landing cost will continue to grow and the attendant hike in the price of PMS.

Again, why do you assume the cost of subsidy would have grown from N2 to N920 if PDP was still in power. Are you in a way saying it was inevitable for the naira to weaken against the dollar from 180/$ to 1500/$ even if PDP was in power? Do you know if the PDP would have maintained a stable forex as against what is going on today?
For the fact that you are trying to rope in a party that left government almost 10 years ago to defend or explain the chaos that is going on today calls your sincerity into question. You are passing off as the face of Jacob and the hand of Esau.
The growth of subsidy is largely connected to the forex chaos.

Again, your last two paragraphs gave you away as someone representing a certain interest.

Dangote Refinery and Portharcourt Refinery, I don't know which of them is going to win the contest of;

We will,
Set to,
At the verge of,
Will begin,
Will start,

JAMO84:
Nigeria 2024 budget : $40b Population - 200m

South Africa 2024 budget $150b Population 60m


The only reason why we think we are rich is because, our Politicians live large on our meager resources, otherwise, Nigeria is poorer than a church rat.

Thinking Nigeria is poorer than a church rat indicates that those you said live large on our meagre resources already defeated your mind.

The amount of nonsense accumulated inside this man's body is very disturbing.

This government has blame everyone til no one else to blame, now they blame the country itself.
He said they "hope that subsidy removal and fx unification will free up resources". It is very true that you are hoping because you and your ilk already replaced the former frivolities with new ones as evidenced in the 2024 budget. Making more money available for you people simply means making more money available to steal and not necessarily money available for development

Asswipemod:


Look, based on the realities on ground, the only wise thing to do is farming. Subsistence farming? Yes. It's a necessity in this trying time. It's not something you have to do yanga against. It is only in normal times that you can do agric based on interest. This time, it's about survival.

Is there such thing as "normal times" in Nigeria...has there ever been? Those responsible for managing Nigeria always create the worst scenario and ask people to adjust which this very clamoring is a part of.

Whether this is a trying time or not, subsistence agriculture can never create food security which is a necessity in every healthy society. Like you said, it is always about survival survival but never about growth and sustenance. Then it begs the question, when will Nigeria ever grow since we are always about finding survival in the face of creating worse scenarios by our own hands, look for a way to survive it then create another worse scenario and repeat it.

The food crisis in Nigeria is not because of the number of Nigerians engaged in Agriculture. I don't believe this needs to be explained.
Let's assume you are right about the trying times and the need for people to farm, are you also aware farmers in Niger State and many other places pay tax to terrorists before they harvest their produce.
The lead comment I responded to, the poster even insulted Southerners for being lazy that they don't want to farm. Perhaps he doesn't know people in the South also engage in one form of commerce or another before generating the needed monies to buy from farmers in the North. Is it that every Nigerian in the South or all over the country must abandon what they do that keeps the economy moving to engage in Agriculture because we want to survive? The number of farmers in Nigeria is never the reason why there's food crisis. Without solving the underlying problems, we'll continue to talk about farming as survival without actually surviving.

ivandragon:


It is always refreshing to 'see' people who have thier thinking cap on.

I have always maintained that the nonsense about everyone going to farm is bullocks and an effort to absolve themselves (political rulers) of any responsibility.

Farming should not be a last resort, but a willing endeavour from people who are genuinely interested in it and have a clear vision of what they want to achieve.

@bold

There lies the truth. Agriculture should be like every other profession engaged in by people with passion for it, not some frustrated people trying to survive because they have no other means.
The moment politicians stress on people going to farm, know they've failed and just trying to shirk their responsibility of making life better for the people they govern.
It is saddening that even the Nigerians that go to farm can no longer do so because of insecurity yet some elements are still echoing the nonsense that our leaders say.

Is it subsistence farming largely evident in Nigeria that will create food security...Nigerians have been made so poor that most people that go to farm only do so to survive, they are insecure with food even while they eat

Tajbol4splend:
Prices of food stuff should not be one of the consequences of fuel subsidy removal if Nigerians are farming, imagine if northerners don't practice Agriculture, how would our lives be? A bag of beans would be imported and sold at ₦1.5m, northerners are so much underappreciated, we Yorubas have enough and more fertile land than north, but our youths have much more interest in Yahoo and Hook-up.

Shut it man.
US has less than 5% of their population into farming but are able to produce enough food.
Nigeria has more than 40% of the population into agriculture yet there is food crisis. You think the number of Nigerians into agriculture is not enough that's why we import food?

Where is your own farm btw

Watianoengineer:
so na this figure head Osimhen Wan go madrid/arsenal and Co? A so called African best without impact. He better remain in Naples and be scoring his Tap Ins. Whether we like it or not Osimhen is not a world class striker. I don't see the reason for the Osimhen hype. Very average. Even Yak and Julius Aghahowa that never won CAF best were more prolific in front of goal. See that Sebastian haller has been a beast since his Ajax days. He was diagnosed with cancer, recovered, started two games for ivory coast and scored both winning goals. That is the job of a sensible striker. We keep consoling ourselves with Osimhen dey disturb defenders, he sabi put pressure but when he was needed most he was no where to be found. If Osimhen had the balls to play all our penalties rather than Ekong it would add to his tally. Such an unreliable No 9. Iwobi and that chukwueze should never be invited again. Very mediocre set of fools

Boy is dangerously overrated and I think it got to him

Imka:
Totally awesome captain, a defender whose attacking stats overshadowed the stats of the highly overrated gangling dude with the wannabe batman mask ( African player of the year with just one goal in the entire tournament, what a shame). Cheers to William troost Ekong. A one man squad.

The boy is dangerously overrated but most Nigerians love hero worship so they tend to disagree.

Nazgul:
As a professor of law who as been in practice for decades, and a SAN, she can't tell me that she relies solely on her salary for survival.

For starters she should have her own Chambers, with young lawyers working there. She's should use her position as a Prof to get closer to politicians so her Chambers can be contracted to represent them.

I still find it very difficult to believe that a woman of her status depends totally on her salary.

I don't think she is inferring she relies solely on her salary for survival. She's only using her official salary as a baseline to gauge how bad or expensive things has become which is the right thing to do.

We all use minimum wage of 30k as baseline when talking about commodities, it does not mean everyone that use that survive on only 30k

bnanny:
Best player is Osimhen abeg. Man has been selfless not selfish to win golden boot. He's the reason we get to this final and other team work tea.
So for me. I'll give it to Osimhen

You are just being emotional. If he had not wasted some of the clear goal scoring opportunities, he still would have been with much goals despite being selfless.

You said he is selfless that's why he may not win the golden boot? But he has only one assist so that your line of thought is wrong. Golden boot will elude him not because he is not selfish in front of goal.

While Osimhen workrate has been superb for a striker, rating him above the goalkeeper and Troost Ekong in the team in this tournament is not a fair judgment IMO

Basicend:
When we say women have really nothing to add to a man's journey apart from their body, some peps will start attacking us.

Can you explain this gathering, and how it applies to core of Nigeria's and families issues now.

Read the news first. It is not about sex primarily, the protest is about poor power supply which affects every other sector. They complained that the poor power supply has affected them so much so that even their husbands now shirk bedroom duties cause of the intense heat from the lack of power supply.

Of course, the blogger or whoever that reported the news decided to make "sex" as the crux of the protest as though, the women are protesting because they are sex starved.
Protest about sex starvation from married women to the office of a power distribution company...u suppose know say the headline na nonsense na

falconey:




So the problem is not the misappropriation of fund but the leak by a mole from the opposition?

[b]Seriously this people must think we are some kind of low level brain dead animals.


Student loan is #5billion, money for committee on minimum wage is #1billion with 500m released first.

They know how to budget and release funds for themselves bloody bloodsuckers_!!!!

If one keeps the nation's affairs at heart you will die young because it is beyond everything sane or normal.

[/b]

Sorry to say o, not that they think, some Nigerians are actually what you described and even worse. There is a long line of ordinary Nigerians that will defend this, for those in political circles I understand because they are trying to secure their meal ticket but ordinary people? They do so because they are brain dead animals

This one na US plane crash e dey find every day

Naija-cover sleeps and wake with bad news

nairalanda1:


1.Iran is not an African country

2.Also iran...maintaining the subsidy has given them a very humongous debt.

3.Iran subsides : 100 billion dollars. Our budget : 20 billion dollars, (in a year).

4.Any questions?

5.Also iran: 9million liters of petrol smuggled a day out of Iran to be sold at 'cheaper prices'.

Fuel in Angola and Libya is less than N50. Angola and Libya are in Africa not Europe.
Your opening submission was not about African countries even though that might have been your intent. You said "fuel is never cheap"

I will choose to ignore your point 2 to 5 as you are just making excuses. Again, Iran has been under Western Sanctions for close to 40 years.

nairalanda1:



SO many problems with this your comment, and why I don't enjoy discussing with you guys...after you will start by saying that I support corrupt leaders, and am blind to corruption.

Okay where to start

1.A lot of the corruption in the subsidy regime has a lot to do with the fact that whether they are productive or not, there would be looting and stealing....because subsidy means money would come in regardless.

Tell me, why won't there be stealing.

Remove subsidy, and the result is NNPC would be forced to work for its money. That would mean every TAM, every refinery would work...because if they do not, NNPC won't effing see any money at all. ANd government is no longer paying subsidy.


2. A lot of you misunderstand my comment about subsidy freeing up money for the government. You all assume that I am saying that if subsidy is removed, we would all be prosperous, and have enough cash.

Well, I have news for you....we need to do more than remove subsidy, we need to fight corruption, widen our tax base, raise our tax to gdp, diversify our economy (read my comments, diversification is a big thing I harp on) and eventually become an exproter of manufactured goods and services.

If we do the above, we would be prosperous.


3.The truth is subsidy is one of the factors why we have a massive debt. We pay subsides at the begining of the year. If oil prices shoot up, that means subsidy costs go up. How do we get more money...taking more loans.


4.Both you and the guy you are responding to think I am a government supporter. I am not, I have read all I can about subsidy since 2011, and what I have read scares me.


So, you see my point.

I am not responding to your comments again. EIther you are blind, or you think that supporting subsidy removal means supporting oppression. NO, it means supporting us not being in severe effing debt.

Good afternoon.

Don't act sanctimonious man. Nobody said you are supporting corrupt people even though in times past, you've made it difficult not to say so.

Good afternoon

Agboriotejoye:


That is one dude that has been highly discredited by smarter dudes on this platform
Even he knows he has no leverage

I have argued with him on several occasions that subsidy is not really our problem but the culture of stealing and profligacy in our political environment.

More money made available in Nigeria means more money available to steal and not necessarily more money for development as long as stealing is not curtailed.
Subsidy has been removed supposedly for over six months but Nigeria has gone from bad to worse despite the argument for "making more money available". Subsidy has been removed but Nigeria is still borrowing upon borrowing to the point we now even borrow with crude oil upfront.

Look at the 2024 budget, it reeks of profligacy because there is more money. Almost all the line items are inflated and many others absolutely unnecessary because there is more money supposedly because of subsidy removal.

Nigeria government has spent more than enough money in Turn Around Maintenance (TAM) of our refineries in the last 20 years, money enough to build new 4 refineries but the refineries they did the turn around maintenance are still not working till date. So anybody that believe removing subsidy with build hospital, build roads and other blahblahblah is just being delusional as subsidy does not stop government from doing any of those things if they really want to do them.
It is true that subsidy removal will make more money available for government expenditure and it is good. But Tinubu and Buhari has proven to us that subsidy is not really our problem as most government apologists make it seem. Tinubu has grounded this country despite subsidy removal and stealing has spiked after. Again he's still amassing loans...

nairalanda1:


You should forget about the tribe. It has nothing to do with what is happening.

For over 5 decades, you have lived with the illusion that fuel is cheap. The illusion is breaking, and we are seeing what other African countries are seeing...that fuel is expensive. Very much so.

Tinubu is trying so hard to maintain the illusion. But as you can see cracks are appearing

It is time we all accepted fuel was never cheap in the first place. Maintaining the illusion has cost us billions of naira and four refineres.

Fuel is N40 in Iran that has been under Western Sanctions for close to 40 years.

Maybe you should readjust your statement to mean fuel was never cheap in Nigeria and not "fuel was never cheap"

Parser:


How can a supposedly deadly striker that single handedly made an impart in Napoli's scudetto all of a sudden isn't able to score goals? The problem is the wings. If not for Osimhen & the defense we would have been out in the competition for long. The IQ of the wings is just poor. They aren't bringing the passes. Anyone that criticizes Osimhen doesn't play football he only watch from TV. The worst so far is that Chukwueze, e b like make I give am knock.

Nobody is criticizing Osimhen or any player in the team (the starters) cause they are all working very hardly. I only pointed out the big chances Osimhen missed and not the ones Simon and co failed to pass to him in the box. If the likes of Harry Kane, Halland etc missed some of those chances, we would have been critical of them too as we hold them and Osimhen in high esteem.

Lastly I acknowledged the poor passes in the final third particularly from the wings so in my last post so.
They are all doing well and must do better even as Nigeria has only responded to one goal from behind. If we play against a free scoring side on a day our defense goes to sleep, we may have ourselves to blame reason being that we are not scoring enough

Chummynoni:
bro, to me, these guys are doing great. Zaidu has poor passes, right, but only few players can cope with the workload on him. The guy is always everywhere, from back to front, and the only player that did it better was victor moses. E no easy

Yes, I have given them their accolade in my second post. The workrate around the team has been 110% from every one. They win almost every second ball and make recovery very timely.

Only very poor passes in the final third, the reason we've not scored a lot of goals than we already have

tuzle:
I agree with u 100%. How delivery into the box is very poor. Even when we have nice counter, that final pass is always very bad especially from moses Simon and zaidu. The work rate round the team has been perfect thou.

Exactly. Our passes in the final third is always poor, either they are over hit, falls short or simply don't release the ball timely. Assuming that was not the case, Nigeria would have scored a lot of goals.

In terms of work rate, the team has been 110%. Recovery, winning second balls etc is really commendable

Parser:


Some people just watch football. But they never play in real life. If you watch and play it's a big plus cause your thinking would be different.

That Nigerian team is solid. I told my folks from even after our first game that ppl were critiquing. The only thing missing is the attack. If Nigerian should come home then everyone should blame the attack except of course Osimhen doing a magnificent job. The defense of the team is ok, the midfield isn't great but if midfielders can defend its a plus and if the team can make use of the flanks. Modern football can be tweaked without using the midfield. We have a decent goalie. And a die hard 9. Only thing missing is the wings(attack).

Before some folks critique my post, note, I play and watch football not just watch alone!

How can you blame the attack and exonerate Osimhen. While his work rate has been great, he's largely responsible for why he has scored only one goal so far. Man has arguably missed the most goal scoring chances in the whole tournament so far.
Moses Simon, Osimhen, and our left back Zaidu are largely responsible for why Nigeria has scored fewer goals. Moses Simon and Zaidu for their mostly poor delivery of balls into the box, and Osimhen for failing to bury some of the chances.

Then Iwobi, a discussion for another day