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AntiChristian:
Muslim country is different from an Islamic country!

A Muslim school is not same as an Islamic school!

Is Turkey Muslim country or Islamic country?

Goodlady:
Show the born to perish idiot more evidence. He's always ranting here causing religious violence. Someone DSS should pic up and lock up for life till he pass on the hell.

I will do that, he is just too daft but I'm gonna finish him with more evidence

AntiChristian:
Try promote am for any Islamic country and let's see what happens!

Check this out too


https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/homosexuality-is-legal-in-these-10-muslim-countries-14317-2016-06-15

AntiChristian:
Try promote am for any Islamic country and let's see what happens!

But your fellow Muslims are promoting it inside mosque

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/15/602605271/a-mosque-for-lgbtq-
muslims

preciousee17:
I think he did copy-and-paste from somewhere.
But that looks like a concordance attached with NIV version
So as he's giving out the scriptures, he tries to point out the words that the concordance marked as 'Elohim' or 'Eloha', 'Yahweh' etc. Remember, the Bible was written in Hebrew, so the translators didn't always translate each thing word for word, instead they translated in a way that made sense to combine as a sentence. They changed certain words like that to a more reader-friendly version... Hence the need for a concordance in order to see the exact translation...

This is from NIV

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
New International Version

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.



This is his own attached version

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

Why not ask him the reason why he edited the words from the original texts to put his own words that will suit his nonsense, stupidity and ignorance?

MUST THEY LIE TO COVER THE SHAME IN ISLAM? Ask him that too since he is your brother

preciousee17:
I'm a Christian, did I make myself sound like a Muslim? :O
Well, I know their beliefs a little, and the claim to be worshipping the same God of Abraham in the old testament, so they claim to be worshipping our 'Elohim'...
Let this not bother you, I may not be able to explain this well.
Please disregard if you don't understand.

Maybe you should revisit your previous post for comprehensive purposes

preciousee17:
Again, on the part of the Muslim brother, this is a pointless argument, what was the aim? That we are worshipping Angels or gods?
Remember, that same 'Elohim' is who you all refer to when you use the old testament of the Bible to confirm your Abrahamic and Allah-ic stories...

Why separating yourself from the Christendom if at all you are a Christian as you previously said?

preciousee17:
But he's right.
And yes! I'm a Christian.

The fact that the word means gods/God/the sons of God/heavenly beings shouldn't make you insult the brother.
Remember, your (our) own 'Elohim' came out to say that His name is Yahweh, Jehovah...

So He's different from the other entities that can be classified as Elohim.

To prove himself from the Holy Bible is what that is giving him headache, why not talk to him to tell us the name of his own Version

preciousee17:
Again, on the part of the Muslim brother, this is a pointless argument, what was the aim? That we are worshipping Angels or gods?
Remember, that same 'Elohim' is who you all refer to when you use the old testament of the Bible to confirm your Abrahamic and Allah-ic stories...

But you said you're a Christian why now a Muslim? Address your dilemma and re-tagged my moniker

AntiChristian:
I actually know the name of my God as Allah! Allah has perfect attributes befitting His majesty!

I think you actually know that Allah is the Hubal (baal) muhammad rebranded for you right?

AntiChristian:
In your Bible, Elohim can be Yahweh, Satan, Man, Angel or gods!

And to prove that Elohim can be satan, gods, man from the Bible is your problem but why must you rely on propaganda your imams, alfas, etc are brainwashing you with?

AntiChristian:
Elohim is masculine and translated as gods in your attachment!

In Genesis 1:1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Elohim is the same masculine plural!

In Genesis 32:28, where Jacob fought God aka Angel, Elohim is the same masculine plural!

In Exodus 22:20, Elohim is gods, Elohim is the same masculine plural!

In Exodus 7:1, Moses was Elohim to Pharaoh, Elohim is the same masculine plural!

So?

You were the one bringing different attachments and the prove it from the Holy Bible is the problem. REMEMBER in one of your posts you said NOT to believe in Wikipedia or any internet source except what is written in your Quran and hadith. So therefore, try and do the same by using HOLY BIBLE to prove yourself that is just it! #wink

AntiChristian:
It is there!

Na you no sabi am and you dey make mouth!

AGAIN show us where this your own version dey for Biblehub

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

Is as simple as ABC, just show!

AntiChristian:
Yeah, the characteristics of your gods/God is poor in the Bible and that't where we reject those attributes and characteristics!
But Allah is Allah!

You don't even know the correct word to used, so God and gods are the same according to your Saudi Arabia dictionary right?

I worship God and not gods, can you show one attribute or bad characters my God show towards you Muslims in the Bible?

AntiChristian:
Bring your attachment!

Masculine plural below the second red underlined, so what did you understand by the word masculine plural?

AntiChristian:
Bible Hub

https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm

This your attachment is not on Biblehub, you ought to tell where you gotten it from

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

AntiChristian:
What?

How is it different? Is it spelling or what really?

The Arabic Bible Allah has a son which is Jesus Christ, did Muhammad rebranded Allah has a son? NO

The Arabic Bible Allah promised eternal life after death, yours in Islam only made a promised of 72 houris for anyone admitted into his sex paradise

The Arabic Bible Allah never shown hatred against you Muslims as the case is different in Quranic Allah that all he knw is to kill the Jews and Christians

And many more! #wink

AntiChristian:
In the Arabic Bible you have today, what name is your God called?

The Arabic Bible Allah is different from your Quranic Allah. The Allah you are serving in Islam is an idol (hubal) I can proof it

AntiChristian:
Were is your proof?

I can proof it, should I?

AntiChristian:
I have attached the Hebrew and its translation for you!
Wetin remain?

Wait just relax, I am not here to frustrate you pls

Let me come down to your level, what did you understand by the masculine plural from the picture attached or you didn't see where masculine plural was written there?

AntiChristian:
Of Course you are free to translate anything you like as you wish!
You should note that Arabian societies before Islam were not atheistic societies that denied the existence of Allaah, or societies that were unaware that there is a Lord, Creator and Provider. They knew that, and they still retained some traces of the religion of Ibraaheem, and they had contact with Jews and Christians. But their problem was that they did not worship Allaah Alone in exclusion to others; they had other gods whom they associated in worship with Him, and which they worshipped not on the basis that they were the Lord, the Creator the Provider, but because they claimed that these were intermediaries who would intercede between them and Allaah and bring them closer to Allaah. Hence Allaah said concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):
“And if you (O Muhammad) ask them: ‘Who has created the heavens and the earth,’ they will certainly say: ‘Allaah’” [Luqmaan 31:25]

This indicates that they acknowledged that Allaah is the Creator. Another aayah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And verily, if you ask them: ‘Who created the heavens and the earth?’ Surely, they will say: ‘Allaah (has created them)’”

[al-Zumar 39:38]

Many aayaat indicated that they believed in the Unity of Lordship (Tawheed al-Ruboobiyyah); their shirk was with regard to divinity (uloohiyyah), as Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’” [al-Zumar 39:3]

i.e., they said, we only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allaah.

The Jews and Christians in Saudi Arabia prior Islam and muhammad never called on Allah, they never in a second used Allah for anything

The idolaters in Saudi Arabia are those using Allah prior Islam and muhammad. When your messenger came with his religion (Islam), he rebranded Allah the gods of his idolaters fore fathers and made him your islamic God you are serving till today

AntiChristian:
So Hebrew Bible have names?

Dumbass displaying yet again but the context of that Bible verses in question was written in English as you pasted here

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

You attached Elohim just to console yourself

AntiChristian:
I used Strong's concordance Hebrew on that site!

Elohim = God = gods

On which site?

AntiChristian:
The Hebrew name for these other "gods" is Elohim same as your God!

Am I asking you for the Hebrews name of gods? Established your point with any versions of the Bible, you have the grace to do that

AntiChristian:
I will show you a sample.

Genesis 1:1

Go to the link:
https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm

Scroll down. After the commentaries you'll see the Hebrew translated to English!

You should see the attached:

What was translated as "God" is "Elohim" in Hebrew!

Try this on another verse and attach here!

Can you now see the reason why I said you're a colossal failure?


What is the name of the Bible version you copied them from is the question. Maybe we should tagged your fellow Muslims to help you out

AntiChristian:
Allah is the name they generally call "God"!

Which means that Allah was the general name used by idolaters prior Muhammad and after muhammad came with his own religion (Islam), he rebranded Allah and make him your islamic God. Your point well understood

AntiChristian:
The concept of God/god (Elohim) in the Bible is deceptive and can easily be translated as one wishes.

Son of God
In the Bible we see that Moses was God for Pharaoh, Satan is the God of the world, Sons of God came to sleep with humans, God fought Jacob and lost, Jesus is the son of God, Even you are Gods. Most of these Gods are from "Elohim" in Hebrew. Elohim which can be translated as "gods" can be used in the singular sense for God, for god, Angels, Superhuman, and for people of authority such as a Judge or ruler.

Elohim as God aka Yahweh
Take note that in Gen 1:1 In the Beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and earth.

Used as gods
Now I know that the LORD (Yahweh) is greater than all other gods (Elohim), for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.” Exo 18:11

“Whoever sacrifices to any god (Elohim) other than the LORD (Yahweh) must be destroyed. Exo 22:20

As an Angel (Cos i don't think Jacob can fight God.)
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won.” Gen 32:28

Humans are God (Elohim)
Then the LORD (Yahweh) said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. Exo 7:1

“I said, ‘You are “gods"(Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

Rightchannel

Where did you get your own version from, I am expecting you to name the version you get it from as simple as ABC

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

Here is another attachment

AntiChristian:
“I said, ‘You are “gods" (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

I hope where you copied them from has a version's name

AntiChristian:
Your exhibition so far as been of the highest form!

Because I am hammering your skull with the truth

AntiChristian:
It was not an Islamic state till Allah used Muhammad to change it to an Islamic state! It was a Kufr state before that! An Islamic state as used here is a country that uses Islamic laws.

Since you know this why attributing establishment of islamic state to muhammad?

Are you aware that he (muhammad) forcefully acquired Saudi Arabia to an islamic state?

👉 You didn't answer this question, I've asked it before and I will repeat it again, THE DOMINANT RELIGION(S) PRIOR MUHAMMAD IS/ARE WHAT?

AntiChristian:
He lived in and around Saudi Arabia! Before he became a Prophet, he travelled further than that!

Ahahahaha Name the country he traveled to outside Saudi Arabia? Answer the question with proof

AntiChristian:
You should first understand what as Islamic state mean!

If you want me to teach you what and how islamic state were formed, you will be shocked again! But that is not where we are going to.

An Islamic state is a state that has a form of government based on Islamic law (sharia)


👉How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to? Explain and tell us the state he established as an islamic state

N.B. If NO answer, accept you made a mistake to have used the word ESTABLISHED

AntiChristian:
Who said there are Elohim in front of the gods?
I said the gods is translated from Elohim in Hebrew!

The bolded below who put it there, is it not you? You can't show the version you got it from, you are a disgrace and colossal failure to islamic word

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

AntiChristian:
You need to calm down as the way I see it your reasoning seems like that of a kid!

You saw the translation in brackets and you are still complaining!

Is a thing you can show us the version you got it from as simple as ABC

AntiChristian:
If you use the words of abuse next time na to report you!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA I laugh in Spanish you just come back from a week ban, you will soon go back again. Thank your brother Lukuluku69 that stood by you when you are away

AntiChristian:
It will be better if you can address your point one by one instead of confusing yourself with petty folly!

My pretty joy is seeing you guys displaying your nonsense and stupidity on nairaland..

Here are the questions again, you don't have to hide your shame but let me make it easy for you by giving you options

👉Is Saudi Arabia not an Islamic state? YES or NO


👉DID MUHAMMAD WHILE ALIVE LIVED IN ANOTHER STATE, NATION OR COUNTRY ASIDE SAUDI ARABIA? YES or NO

👉How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to? Explain and tell us the state he established as an islamic state

AntiChristian:
See attached from your link, go there and scroll down! Liar!

The concept of God/god (Elohim) in the Bible is deceptive and can easily be translated as one wishes.

Son of God
In the Bible we see that Moses was God for Pharaoh, Satan is the God of the world, Sons of God came to sleep with humans, God fought Jacob and lost, Jesus is the son of God, Even you are Gods. Most of these Gods are from "Elohim" in Hebrew. Elohim which can be translated as "gods" can be used in the singular sense for God, for god, Angels, Superhuman, and for people of authority such as a Judge or ruler.

Elohim as God aka Yahweh
Take note that in Gen 1:1 In the Beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and earth.

Used as gods
Now I know that the LORD (Yahweh) is greater than all other gods (Elohim), for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.” Exo 18:11

“Whoever sacrifices to any god (Elohim) other than the LORD (Yahweh) must be destroyed. Exo 22:20

As an Angel (Cos i don't think Jacob can fight God.)
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won.” Gen 32:28

Humans are God (Elohim)
Then the LORD (Yahweh) said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. Exo 7:1

“I said, ‘You are “gods" (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

WHY DID YOU INSERTED ELOHIM TO THE BELOW VERSES YOU DROPPED HERE?

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

The verses above has NO Elohim infront of gods, tell us why you inserted the word Elohim to suit your stupidity and where did you get your own version from? Are you this rascal just because you want to make yourself happy with your ignorance about the word of God?

AntiChristian:
Established an Islamic state from a disbelieving (Kufr) state!

I never mentioned Saudi Arabia!

Be guided and re-read what you typed earlier

AntiChristian:
Saudi Arabia will pass judgment before sentencing anyone!
And that's the correct judgement!

No jungle justice in Islam!

AntiChristian:
This is the thought of one filled with holy Spirit!

The rightful thought is that the Shariah ruling in an Islamic state is slightly different from that in a democratic state!

Who typed those nonsense above? Is Saudi Arabia not an Islamic state, DID MUHAMMAD WHILE ALIVE LIVED IN ANOTHER STATE, NATION OR COUNTRY ASIDE SAUDI ARABIA?

How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to?

AntiChristian:
The Prophet established an Islamic state with an Islamic ruling system which the Sahabas followed!
No mouth shut!

You are a colossal failure!

AntiChristian:
Allah says in Qur'an 53:19-23
Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs)
And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
That indeed is a division most unfair!
They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

You quickly rushed in quoting the verse but that is not where I am going.

Was Allah known as the name of Islamic God prior Muhammad?

AntiChristian:
Your God said anyone that worships other gods should be killed! What's the difference? Recharge your spirit please!

Other gods are idols (idolaters), your own Allah with his messenger were against Christians and Jews, they both affirmed that you should kill Christians and Jews, does Bible says WE SHOULD KILL YOU MUSLIMS? Can you see that the different is clear


You have to move away from the two blo0dy incanates (muhammad and allah) please

AntiChristian:
Check those verses as translated from Hebrew!

I've checked from Hebrew translated I still don't see the reason why you inserted ELOHIM just because you want us to see how ignorance you are

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

Elohim and Elohe are used for Yahweh or gods! Anyone goes!

Anytime you want to have discussion with me, always endeavour to keep away from LYING. The bolded above, where did you get it from? You inserted it to suit your stupidity isn't it?




https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/13-6.htm