ANTIlSLAM: RightChannel more anointing Brother and for you ItsReal that is not rude and high in intellect, what you said here is just praising the Brother you are in discussion with abi
"I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.
Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow..."
You ain't rude here ooo but when things fall apart you always look for an escaping route.
I so much like the way that Brother analyzed everything, you came up with your own rant and he confronted you with Quran and ahadith which you don't have choice rather than to succumb. He gave many points which I expect you to kicked against from Muslim women to the issue of Christians and Jews, etc. All your own points has no concrete evidence rather than showcasing what you've been told by your clerics that are as confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles.
ANTIlSLAM: Very funny indeed, Jesus Christ is a Muslim as he never carry kettle, bang his head on the floor, and so on. They can blasphemy against Jesus Christ but nobody dare blasphemy against Muhammad
Firstly, Islam is the religion practiced from from the start of time. The meaning of Islam is Submission. Submission to the commandments of God. Ever since God created mankind, he has sent down prophets and books to serve as guidelines for them to remain guided. Generation after generation, prophets were raised in each nation or tribe to remind the people of their servitude to God. Adam was was the first of the prophets and he was the first human. Followed by him were prophets like nuh, ibrahim, ismaeel, ishaq, musa, eesa and the last prophet was Muhammad.
So it is a chain of prophets coming to deliver the same core message; Worship God only and stay away from associating partners with him.
With this, you will understand that when you hear the word Islam, it doesn't mean a new religion that started about 1400 years ago but the religion of all prophets of God.
That been said.
Each prophet was given a body of laws that is specific to the people they were sent to. And God is the one who makes the laws. Also, while all prophets were sent to their individual nations, the prophet muhammad was sent to the entire world as the last and seal of prophethood.
If you have a problem with the laws of islam, them you will have a problem with the laws found in Judaism, Christianity and the laws of followers of other prophets of God.
I have been conversing with you as a sensible fellow until now that you just proved to be as senseless as it can get.
You are asking me for a verse in the bible about Muslims when the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after. Ah ha, are you stupid or what. Your question is just like asking Jews why dey have to "kill jesus" and that were they told to do so in their Torah. Using a simple common sensical logic, who should talk about who? The one who came after or the one who came before?
And I have told you a verifiable information, the Christians have been the worst enemies of the Jews since time immemorial. Sadly, even though you saw my questions in that post ,you didn't reply to it.
Who have been killing the Jews and who has been protecting them ?
If you don't know ,most of jews in Isreal now migrated from places like morrocco. Infact, when the jews massacre was on, the Islamic caliphate then were the ones harboring them from Christians brutality.
Infact, I recently watched a YouTube research video where Jews in Isreal were asked who they have found much peace with over the centuries. All of those who knew their past said muslims. And here you are trying to flip the script. Hypocrite...
Also, there is a bit of a misconception you have. In the Quran, the jews and Christians are referred to as the people of the book and not grouped together with the pagans who are outrightly called disbelievers.
Also, the Muslims lived with jews right from in inception. to an extent that Muslim males were allowed to marry pious women from the people of the book. If the command was to kill them, then why marry from amongst them..
Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
am not done with you o. Just as I said, I have a job. I will come back to complete my message to you and then finalize it with what God has promised the dwellers of hell so that you may be warned.
Slave, I never knw you are as this confused until you vomits that trash in bolded above.
But Quran says Adam was the first Muslim, in fact you even affirmed it that Noah, Abraham, Jesus Christ all are Muslims and to come with a Bible verse where God says You Muslims should be slay, Killed, slaughtered, etc you quickly shifted the goal post telling me that the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after
When you're tagging Jesus Christ as a Muslim, Adam, Abraham as Muslims the word Muslim haven't came into existence then right? This your confusion is getting out of hand
You lack logic and sense of reasoning, when next time if you want to reason with people here on public forum like this, always think before vomiting trash, always do your findings well before vomiting trash. Olodo
Who are the polytheists, pagans, etc according to your bloody Allah. You are not interacting with a mumu like you. Don't let me come with another set of Quran chapters and verses that will finish your senses. Don't start what you won't finish
Christians hates Jews without Biblical proofs, No concrete evidence, just vomiting what your Alfas told you in mosque, you surrender yourself to be brainwashed, who hates Christians and Jews most if not Muhammad and Allah. You don't focus on the hatred the same Allah and muhammad shown to your MUSLIM WOMEN rather vomiting trash about Christians and Jews. Nonsense
ItsReal: Do you even know anything about how the church was in control of government in European countries?. do you know the reason for the call to secularism?. Have you ever heard of the word crusaders?.
Do you know what the non Christians majorly Jews faced at the hand of Christians? . The reconquest of spain? Infact, do you know anything about Christianity other than what your motivational speaker tell you on Sundays?
like have you read the bible that the church used to justify the crusaders, slavery, colonisation and the missionary?
or more importantly, do know what or who is referred to as the Church?
I believe your problem is deeply rooted in two things. 1. the black man disease ; reading 2. propaganda against Islam to prevent the spread of the religion.
Since you don't read, news media and your role models will fees you with what they want you to hear. and instead of you to research about it, you just follow sheepishly.
Even though it is understandable that someone who sees another thing as a threat to it may resolve to propaganda , you the listener shouldn't be excused for not trying to ascertain the true position of your perceived enemy.
There is an adage that says; he whose house is made of glass should not throw stone. You have something you regard as a problem in your religion, and then you cover it as though it never existed. thereafter, you begin to point blaming fingers on others. Only an ignorant hypocrite will do that.
On the issue of killings, answer me. Who killed and tormented the life of the Jews? was it the Muslims. Did you even know that even before Adolf Hitler, the church has been killing and torturing Jews? Infact, the Islamic caliphate had always been the one to protect them. Read Read Read and don't remain an ignorant fellow.
Did you know that the present day Spain and Portugal was an islamic state about 700 years ago. It was called Andalus. The Muslims ruled the country for about 700 years before the catholics came to take over the state. Muslims, Jews and non catholic Christians were tortured and killed or forced to be catholics. Did you know anything about this? NO. You know nothing but you what to talk.
There is a wise saying that a fool talks because he has to say something while the wise man talks because he has something to say.
By the way, just in case you don't know, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian . He was raised in a Catholic orphanage and grew up to hate Jews so much that he continued on the path of early Christians in killing the jews.
I no wan dey quote biblical verses mentioning killings and violence to you since you don't read. If you read a bit, you will notice that I gave an example of how the church charged Galileo for blasphemy and I told the OP to do a simple Google search to find out that blasphemy laws was just abrogated in European countries some years ago.
I mentioned it on this same thread but you still find it hard to read.
I really pity your condition. Na your type they make people say the reading culture is decreasing in the country.
You are trying to shift the goal post, I am very sure your terrorist Alfas, Imam, etc must have shown you this from the war manual book (Quran) of allah about Jews and Christians
Quran 5:51
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
Qur'an 9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful
This is from the hadith:
Musnad Ahmad 215 Book 2, Hadith 132
If I live, in sha Allah, I shall certainly expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.
Just come with a verse from the Bible where God says you Muslims should be killed, slay, slaughtered, etc
Pity yourself, your generation, your fellow slaves, for this hatred against Jews and Christians and mind you, don't be surprise that you will disappointed in janat as there'll be NO virgin for you and your likes
ItsReal: Also , you mentioned some stuff about the Muslim women. If you happen to know about Islam and you are not just a news hearer only, even you will debunk the claims that Muslim women are oppressed.
I believe the question of women being oppressed any started about less than a 100 tears ago. Yeah, go and make your research into the time when females started agitating for recognition in the society or equal represention.
If you read the encyclopaedia, you find out that the word woman is used by the English swim in a woe man, this is congruent to the belief of the Christians that Eve ,the wife of Adam lured her husband to eat the apple. They saw her and the women folks as the reason for their problems on earth.
In a verse of the Quran, Allah mentioned a case study of what happens with the Jews, Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 139: وَقَالُوا مَا فِي بُطُونِ هَٰذِهِ الْأَنْعَامِ خَالِصَةٌ لِّذُكُورِنَا وَمُحَرَّمٌ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَإِن يَكُن مَّيْتَةً فَهُمْ فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ سَيَجْزِيهِمْ وَصْفَهُمْ إِنَّهُ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ
And they say: What is in the wombs of these cattle is specially for our males, and forbidden to our wives, and if it be stillborn, then they are all partners in it; He will reward them for their attributing (falsehood to Allah); surely He is Wise, Knowing.
also, before the messengership of prophet Muhammed, people would kill their female child. They saw them as bad luck (or just they English called them: the unfortunate man) Here is the verse on that; Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 140: قَدْ خَسِرَ الَّذِينَ قَتَلُوا أَوْلَادَهُمْ سَفَهًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَحَرَّمُوا مَا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ افْتِرَاءً عَلَى اللَّهِ قَدْ ضَلُّوا وَمَا كَانُوا مُهْتَدِينَ
They are lost indeed who kill their children foolishly without knowledge, and forbid what Allah has given to them forging a lie against Allah; they have indeed gone astray, and they are not the followers of the right course.
Mainly, I think the question should be that what is oppression to you? is oppression to you when you see a woman covered in hijab and not half naked, or when she takes care of her home and family while the husband goes out to look for food for the family.
any of the two you choose, it will amaze you to find out just about Less than a hundred years ago, even every sane person all over the world were fully clothed with out walking almost naked in the streets. Also, all women were housewives too.
so ask yourself this question, is it that when western countries are guilty of something u term as oppression now , you turn away and put no blame on them but point fingers at Muslims for the same thing.
that's the reason why I said if you know about islam,you wouldn't mention this at all. before the prophet muhammad, women's don't get any share of the inheritance at all. in fact , they were deemed as property of the husband just as people still do in the yoruba tribe where upon the death of a man, a family member can take over ownership of the wife.
on the issue of inheritance, women in Islam are to take inheritance from almost all possible relatives even though they are meant to be catered for by their fathers followed by their husbands in the event of marriage. this is as opposed to the male who can only take inheritance from some specific close relatives only.
not to make this long, I will conclude by saying the women of the disbelievers had no women right and they just of recent started clamoring for things women in Islam have been benefiting from since more than a thousand years ago.
but unfortunately, instead of them to recognize the Muslim women as their predecessors who had the rights they were looking for, they wanted more ( feminism ) and they started depicting Muslim women as the uncivilized oppressed woman.
Your Muslim women are oppresed should incase if you don't know. Your women are nothing in the sight of Allah and muhammad, I will give you some references on this and the reason why your women are so useless. Even in Jannah, women has NO reward when you Muslim men shall be meeting with 72 virgins each, No rewards for Muslim women.
This is what Allah says about Muslim women:
Quran 4:34
Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand.
Allah asks you to beat your wives, avoid them in beds, exhort them, etc. Does that make sense to you?
The following is from Muhammad's perspectives that you should beat your wives:
You have rights over your wives and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness.
Sirat Rasul Allah, ibn Ishaq, A. Guillaume, translator. Oxford University Press, 1955, page 651.
ItsReal: Lemme start from the bottom, all religions see people who disbelieve in their teaching as an opponent, I repeat ,All religions. So singling out Islam on this regard is unjustly.
To the Christian, a Muslim is an infidel. In fact , the word infidel was first used by Crusaders who ravaged wars against Muslims and Jews. To the Jewish man, if you are not a jew, you are not among the chosen ones, you are disbeliever. And in Islam , if you heard about the messengership of prophet Muhammad and yet you disbelieve, you are a disbeliever. However, Islam regards people who were on the teachings of prophet Musa (moses) b4 the advent of Jesus as muslims and the real Christians who worship God and not Jesus b4 the advent of prophet Muhammed as muslims.
On the issue of blasphemy, I said it before, all religions and society has a law in form of punishment against blasphemy. All these western countries recently abolished their own blasphemy laws when the people started asking for the church to be excluded from government (secularism). You can Google this easily. Similar to this is the case of apostasy. To know more, endeavor to read more.
I will complete the response soon ,MA ba3 is about to go off
If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...
Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.
On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?
Empiree: just one engagement, the both of you are shivering already. With all your rants, my one post shut you up bcuz you have nothing to say
How did you shut them up? you should be ashamed they are exposing you and that great warrior for islam, like sayidina. So in islam you can use Bible quote on the mosque to preach to christians, why not using your own quran quote to preach to Christians, is quran not worthy as point of reference to preach to Christians? Can you see such in Christianity, NO
See me see trouble oo, this brother wan invite me to the league of terrorists where I'll be fighting for allah that couldn't fight his own battle and at the end, I will join them in jannah that's full of virgins where allah will be directing porn movies
Don't mind him, he is only looking for whom to destroy just because his own life is miserable to him
Abdoolbuster: The truth is, Muslims don't have problem among themselves with the hadiths whether it is Sahih, hassan or d'aif. Howbeit, they usually run into trouble when people of other faith begin to scrutinize their books then they will start accepting and rejecting Hadiths. The OP talked about Quran contradicting hadith and vice versa with some examples. One AntiChristian said that the hadiths only explain what the Quran did not explicitly explain without any example. With this we can get it that Mr AntiChristian is performing Taqiya That said, did the hadiths sometimes contradict the Quran, YES where there are contradictions which should a muslim follow ? The Quran Is the Quran 100% accurate? This has been a very big headache for scholars. What do I mean? If you accept that the Qur'an is 100 %accurate then there should never be any contradictions in it but we know that this is not the case. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true. 1. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true. 2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an? “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256). “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, – that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3). “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5). Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29)
We can see from these two examples out of many that the Qur'an does contradict itself, meanwhile Muslims belive that the Qur'an is a perfectly preserved book in heaven before it was revealed. If it was preserved and perfect then why these contradictions? Back to the hadiths, whenever a Muslim is boxed into a corner of logical questions he switched to the Quran is our only book by which we should be life. If you asked him about the hadiths he'll say many of them are not authentic therefore should be rejected. Hadiths really exposed Muhammad as a fraud and Muslims have a very serious problem defending him against the exposure in the hadiths.
Cc Christruth HendTime Antiislam RightChannel
See, Quran contradicts itself but the problem with hadith is that it expose all the secrets of muhammad
Justice Gideon And Femi Falana (NON-MUSLIMS) Both Helped An Islamic Cleric From The Hand Of Oppresor Led By A Fulani Cow In Abuja And A Fulani Goat In Kaduna
Whereas The god of Islam is against anyone that is NOT a Muslim and these are Non-Muslims helping A Islamic cleric from the bondage of fulani the oppresor
Hendtime: See, whenever they are caught and have no reasonable answer, they will lie That's how Muhammad was caught by one Jewish Rabbi and he decided to change the method immediately They are as unstable as water
AntiChristian: That's to tell you that the sacrifice does not matter in and of itself!
What matters is the piety of the killer of the sacrifice to obey the Lord.
The sacrifice doesn't matter to you and you are a genuine Muslim?
You should obey how it was done by Abraham. Killing different animals shows you don't know what you are doing. As you said earlier, you are just doing for fun and merriment as the spiritualism embedded in it is lost. This is not how Abraham did it, what you're doing is different from what Abraham did
No where in the OT did anyone sacrifice his son except for Abraham who was tested and the sacrifice was changed to a lamb. How does this now logically mean that God will kill his son in the NT?
Allah needs nothing from us but wants us to obey Him in all we do!
You believe that Abraham was tested and the sacrifice was changed to A LAMB, but you Muslims are slaughtering different animals such as Ram, Camel, Sheep, Lamb and cattle as sacrificial animals against what you copied from the Bible and you are doing the right thing?
Abraham never slaughtered different animals but just only one animal and that is a LAMB
ANTIlSLAM: Is like allah has blindfolded you this blockhead, dummy, nerd as usual. Your bewilderment, rawness never see the authenticity of that hadith right? Just take your anger go meet muhammad in grave for that utterances. Thank God you even know where it's coming from, so why kicking against it just because it doesn't favours you abi
Had it been it favours your ignoramus, I am very sure you won't call it fake hadith. We shall keep on exposing your god allah
This is another one
That Antichristian and his likes are very good on that, when things doesn't favours them, they always tag it as fake, non-authentic. But when criticising We Christians by quoting different Bible versions we never tag them as non-authentic, fake. Those Muslims are hypocrite from the highest order
AntiChristian: No we bow down to Allah 34 times and more daily Just as Jesus, Moses and Abraham too bowed down for Him!
Jesus bow down to allah, na u mumu pass. allah that never spoken to anyone is the one my Lord will bow down for or allah that him and his angels pray for muhammad is the one my Lord will bow down for. I pity ur condition
AntiChristian: Sorry, I forget say your own Jesus was not one with his father. Jesus was not alive then! Na only the father dey act alone back then!
Jesus Christ is not Jehovah or Yahweh that was spoken in those verses you mentioned. Daddy this catastrophe you are causing yourself here is too much
AntiChristian: I don't know who is more confused that who lied to get here!
Don't shift the goal post, address your problem and leave if I lied to be here or not. Ur own allah is an audio god your accept by clicking on audio things right?
AntiChristian: You accused us of bowing to stones and here you are also bowing to Jerusalem. Stop the hypocrisy na!
So Jerusalem na stone bros when is your mumu going to do?
AntiChristian: Why face Jerusalem? Is Jerusalem your God too?
he went into his house, and his window been open in his chamber towards Jerusalem
Wait ooo shay na school pass tru you and na you pass tru school? Can't you read his window been open in his chamber towards Jerusalem? Is English now ur problem
Ignorance, you called it story story because I critically analysed it so that you won't get confused next time
AntiChristian: See hypocrisy again! Where did the stone come from? Is the Holy temple your own shrine too? You call it a temple and call ours shrine, see your hypocrisy outside?
I am not the one that name your Kaaba as shrine, it was allah that name it as a SHRINE. Should I drop the verse where Kaaba is refer to as shrine so as to keep your mouth shut for ever and ever?
But I asked if you don't know the meaning of Temple, don't be shy if you don't know tell me I will explain. Our Holy Temple is not a shrine you will be cycling and bowing down for
AntiChristian: Only ignoramuses dey reason like this ooo! This is a simple matter for the wise! If people outside Jerusalem face Jerusalem when praying, where will people in Jerusalem face?
Muslims face same place for prayer which is the Kaaba! People who are in the masjid over there faces the edifice. No one worships stone as Allah is above the heavens!
This is the chapter and verses you quoted, I am not the one that copied and pasted it here
According to (1 King 8 vs 44-45) RSV. "If thy people go out to battle against their enemy, whatever, thou shalt sent them, and shall pray unto the Lord toward the city (Jerusalem) which thou hast chosen, and towards the house that I have built for thy name, then hear thou in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause".
You no see thou shalt pray unto the Lord towards the city or you no see then hear thou in heaven their prayer and other supplication. Daddy, is English giving you problem? Jerusalem is a city and not a stone like kaaba.
Thank you for admitting that you face the direction of kaaba the shrine. Is kaaba a city unlike Jerusalem?
Which heaven is allah, you better don't start what you won't finish again
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