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macof:
Surah 18:86 u no dey read ur holy book

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 86:
[And he marched westwards] till, when he came to the setting of the sun, it appeared to him that it was setting in a dark, turbid sea; and nearby he found a people [given to every kind of wrongdoing]. We said: "O thou Two-Horned One! Thou mayest either cause [them] to suffer or treat them with kindness!"

johnydon22:
its just a question bro... Did muhammed split the moon or not.. Just a yes or a No

No he didn't.

macof:
Don't laugh.
Ur Quran wants us to believe the Sun enters a stream every evening

Really! Where? when?

johnydon22:
eheeee dude i heard muhammad split the moon, is it true?

Shut up

true2god:
I hope it is not this type of knowledge:

What?

If you can't attempt the OP kindly tell instead of trying to derail the thread. He already told you that Any hadith that is not in harmony with the Quran is not from the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him and his household). … Whats wrong with you sef?

Ifeann:
So sahih muslim is a load of fabricatd nonsense. .

no2fuks:
rev 9.1 " The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I
saw a star that had fallen from the sky to
the earth. The star was given the key to the
shaft of the Abyss."
how is that possible when stars are bigger than earth

Ifeann:
So u get my point...
There is no issue in asking questions and i am not annoyed by ur post.. but my post was deleted because one silly insecure muslim mentioned seun ..

Now seun are u going to be fair or a biased. .

Pls unlock my post.. even this muslim is upset that u would delete a thread simply for asking questions.

Haven't you open another thread with the same topic?

Please attempt the OP and stop mentioning seun.

Whats wrong with you sef?

Empiree, tola9ja, 9jaforlife, yazach

Come and see this girl oo.

Ifeann:
Seun since u deleted my post

https://www.nairaland.com/2234846/muslims-insult-bible-yet-moharmmad


After d1ck's unfounded compliant less than 10 minutes ago. .. can u delete this one which is filled with a muslim's misinterpretation and misrepresentation of christian scripture.

WTF!!!!!!

If thats the case, then seun should delete all your threads.

Is it now a crime to ask question

Ifeann:
So are u saying that sahih muslim is a load of nonsense fabrication and should be discarded

Address the OP

Ifeann:
I asked u this

On this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2234891/muslims-mohammed-lied-jesus-died#32304661

Minutes later u created this thread rather than discussing the issue i raised. .

Your question has been debunked in the OP when I quoted the following verses of the Quran.

Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed

Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, [size=15pt] and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. [/size] Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.

Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

The Quran has made clear God's stance on the sin of an idividual, i.e. If you sin, you will be the one that will carry the burden and nobody else.

Now please address the OP without derailing with this childish tactic you are trying to use here.

Sour looser.

Buhari should jail him abeggg

PROOF OF THIS ASSERTION

Some of those that wrote the bible made us conclude on the notion that Christ actually died for the sin of mankind. The few quotation that they base their arguments and proof on are listed below:
1st John 4v10, 1st john 1v7, john 1v29, roman 5v8, 1st peter 3v18 etc.

all the chapters and verses above came from the bible writers and we cannot conclude on wht the writer wrote alone cos jesus said in
Mathew 10v24: the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

The Christian protagonist says “ jesus died for our sins” but we ask, which sin? He replied , “Adam and Eve committed a mortal sin, and God’s anger was kindled agains them. And unless, Jesus should die for that sin by his own blood sacrifice on the cross, the sin cannot be forgiven!

Now consider the word carefully< somebody who is just is made to die for the unjust. What kind of injustice is that? One would start to ask. Supposing it is true that jesus die for the sin of mankind,

1. Why did God not send him immediately after the sin of Adam was committed?

2. for what purpose did he intend to delay the crucifixion till some thousand years after the event?

3. however, if jesus actually came to die for our sins and that salvation only lies in his blood sacrifice, why did he preach repentance in Mathew 4v17: repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?

4. if all person are under the stain of original sin as the Christian protagonist asserts, children are exempted by jesus because they are pure and inherited nothing as in Mathew 18v3-6; verily I say unto you, except ye be converted as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of God……, also in mark 10v14-15: ………. Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God

if any one born of a woman cannot be clean (job 15v4) and that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (roman 3v27) or that “none is righteous” (roman 3v10), but if jesus was born by mary and if Adam was not deceived but the woman was deceived and became transgressor (1st timothy 2v14) then mary would be said to be unclean, unrighteous and have inherited the original sin from his predecessor and at last it would have been said that she would have be said to have transmitted the sin to jesus! So it is either there is no inherited sin or that jesus also inherited sin since he was born of a woman.

1. To put the argument further, is there in any old prophesies the idea of inherited sin or where it was mentioned that jesus will come and die for sin or where jesus mention in his ministry that in respect of the sin of Adam and Eve, had come to rid the earth of its nuisance and has eventually come to die for that sin.

2. the Christian also proof that jesus is Gid, we will ask, does God punish himself before he can forgive a sin done against him?

3. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were severely put under curse, the bible when quoting the judgment of God passed on Adam and Eve respectively goes as follows:
Genesis 3v14-19: and the lord said unto the serpent, because thou had done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field, upon thy belly shall thou go and dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life………and unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, and to Adam he said, because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground cuz of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall the plant of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground………
Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.

4. if Jesus himself had the notion of dying for the sin of man, why did he plead this way to God as in Mathew 26v38-39:…, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death……….father, if it be possible, let this cup (death pass from me)?

5. if jesus came to die, why is he afraid of death as in john 11v53-54: then from that day forth, they took counsel together for to put him (jesus0 to death. Jesus thereafter walked no more openly among the jews…….

6. if he had prepared to die for the sins of man, why was Judas Iscariot named traitor?

7. why do we accuse pilate as the announcer of his sentence?

8. why do we accuse jews for handling him to do what he has come to do(death)?

Here is an elucidation, Adam and Eve committed sin, their grandson who is not aware of the sin was castigated despite the scripture advise in Deut 24v16: the father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the sin of their fathers……, also in 2nd Chronicles 25v4: the father shall not be put to death for the children, or the children for the father……… also in Jeremiah 31v29-30: …………….everyone shall die for his own sin . see also Ezekiel 18v20-22: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not die for the iniquity of the father nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son……………,

The above goes with illustration that:

9. if somebody has malaria and some treatment was prescribed, can the father take the treatment on behalf of the sick child?

10. or can a pastor be allowed to face a firing squad or be executed instead of a gangster of notorious armed robbers who actually committed the crime?


Please answer all the questions correctly and no use of vulgar language please. Know the truth and it shall set you free.

The very fact that sin remains and flourishes in the world, 2000+ years after Christ supposedly "conquered" sin on the cross, is more than enough for the non-deluded to see that the judicial execution of that one man is perfectly meaningless in terms of redeeming the spiritual state of mankind as a race.

WAS MAN BORN A SINNER?

While islam preach and propagate the sinlessness of man from birth, and attributing sin to whoever has done it alone, the religion of Christianity condemn all mankind as sinners-a perpetual sinners indeed who must inherit the original sin.
The muslim’s Holy Quran records only the doing of sin to the doer of sin in:

Quran 74v38: every soul will be held in pledge for (all) its deed

Quran 17v15: whosoever choose to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good, and whoever goes astray, did to his own hurt, and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden. Wherever, we would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) until we have sent an apostle to give warning.

Quran 4v111: and if one sins, he earns it against his soul for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

But on the other hand, the bible came with the notion of original sin that “Jesus has redeemed the world by sacrificing his life to cancel the sin of mankind” that, that original sin was the sin inherited from Adam and Eve through birth!

The bible says concerning the inherited sinfulness of man as follows: Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The sinfulness of man is thus made manifested in these verses and some unmentioned one. This doctrine is not accidental. The sinfulness of man, according to the bible, is that man is a perpetual sinner, born into sin, reared and nurtured as a sinner because in Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

It therefore implies that, as long as man continue to be someone born of a woman, he cannot be clean! Even if he does all kind of righteous deeds until his death, he will remain unclean. This will also be applicable even if he accepted Jesus as his saviour! Why? Cos he would remain someone born of a woman and even though he became born again! The reason is not far-fetched, the bible says in:

Isaiah 64v6: we are all as an unclean thing, and our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

This inherited sinfulness of man was nurtured from the idea that Adam’s sin was later inherited by all men in:
Romans 5v12: wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

The doctrine of man’s inherited sinfulness can be said, without slightest doubt, a doctrine never preached by the earlier biblical prophet but an idea of some later biblical characters (eg Paul). They at the same time, contradicted themselves on what they have raised somewhere else in the same bible. The two following quotations will easily disprove that, men are sinners or that man inherited sin from his parent.

Ezekiel 18v20: the soul that sin shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son, the righteous shall be upon himself. OR
Deu 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

It therefore implies that the idea “none is righteous no, not one (Roman 3v9-12) is a fabrication, a naked fantastic lies, that is propagated with ignorance and fantasy. The following passages shows that some people are righteous and never born with any inheritable sin.
Mark 6v20: herod feared John knowing that he was a righteous and holy man.
Daniel 6v4: Daniel was faithful, no error or fault was found on him.
Luke 1v16: Zechariah and his wife were both righteous.
1st Samuel 12v3-5: Samuel never oppressed…he is free from all faults.
Mathew 1v19: Joseph was a just man
Luke 2v25: simeon was devout and righteous one etc

If we hold the word “how then can men be righteous before God? How can one who is born of a woman be clean (job 25v4) etc, to be true, then the passage will create more problem, cos one Jesus is born from a woman, then Jesus could not be clean either judging from that assertion.

Two, if Jesus is born by a woman, then he would be said to have inherited the original sin from his mother.

Three, if the word “ all have sinned” be taken to its full length, Jesus would be included among the “all” cos he is born of a woman.

However, in all manner of consideration, if the original sin is inherited and children are born into sin, Jesus would not have awarded “innocence” and “pure” state to them, neither would he have said in,

Mathew 18v3: and said, verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdon of heaven. OR
Mark 10v15: verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter heaven.

If all of us are born sinner because of Adam’s sin, then it portrayed God as one inflicting the punishment of a criminal to one who is not. This is equal to injustice. But our God is not unjust as in

NOW IFEANN SHOULD ATTEMPT THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS

1. Why can God be unjust when he had sent many prophets to preach repentance? How can countless men inherit a sin they have never committed? And if sin means the breaking of God’s law (according to dictionary), which of the children of Adam had ever known anything called forbidden tree?.

2. If God’s anger was kindled against Adam and Eve for their disobedience, could the anger persisted on to the generation of Adam and Eve. Remember this God’s action
psalm 30v5: for his anger endureth but a moment and his favour is for a life time.



3. From whence, then, could arise the solitary and strange conceit that the Almighty, who had millions of worlds equally dependent on his protection, should quit the care of all the rest, and come to die in our world, because, they say, one man and one woman had eaten an apple?

4. "Christian guy rapes innocent Muslim girl to death. Muslim girl goes to hell because she didn't believe Jesus is the son of God. Christian guy ask for forgiveness. Makes heaven." whats your take on this incident?

5. Simply put, it is either men have not inherited any sins or that bible has told lie when it says as seen above that John, Daniel, Zechariah and his wife, Samuel, Joseph were all righteous men! Or are a sinners called righteous one in the bible?


To be continued...

Pavore9:
Being ignorant? l posted my opinion which you refute and being open minded l gave you an opportunity to state your view and you ended up being arrogant!

Sorry if it appears to you that I am arrogant, but I am actually not.

Then l have every right to stick to my earlier opinion,

You are entitled to it.

polygamy is giving moslems the numbers not conversions.

But if polygamy is truly the one giving muslims number, how come muslim dominated countries are not in the first 5 most populated countries?

China is the world most populated country with over 1.3billion population, are they muslim country? do they practise polygamy? what gave them the numbers?

Should moslems practice monogamy

Muslims do practice monogamy. polygamy is only allowed for those who have the capacity to take care of it.

and with the killing spree going on amongst your folks only God knows how many will be left in the next 50 years!

Okay

Pavore9:
Then enlighten me.

I will not be the one to do that, you should seek for knowledge and stop being ignorant.

Pavore9:
ls there any lie in my statement?

Yes

Ifeann:
Johnny have u heard of the theory of natural selection. ..as an atheist i know u have..

muslims have been beheading any smart muslim that asks questions or is intelligent enough to see the scam called Mohammed for what he is.. this has greatly decimated the gene pool of smart muslims.. the majority of muslims are a little more than wild donkeys because the gene pool is filled up with stu.pid islamist genes replicating each other..

unfortunately johnny the islamic population is spreading , i have seen other research that says the same.. polygamy has ensured that the world does not run out of muslims, eg the recently deceased saudi king had married 30 wives during his life , your new president was the 23 child of his father...and he himself has 10 children which is very conservative for a nigerian muslim.
muslims will out populate christains in nigeria in the future.. sad but very probable.

I feel your pain

EroticAngelina:
of course, u are quick to come to the defense of ur fellow Muslims. the fact that some of Muslims(small or big) kill non-muslims says a lot about ur religion.

Can we apply the bolded to xtianity as well?

sometimes we have to generalize ok. so keep ur advice to urself pls.

You are entitled to you opinion.

Next.

johnydon22:
Be sure to keep books away from the young ones, because they will turn rationalistic if you dont.

Islam have been doing this for years now and be beheading the ones that questions their beliefs. thats why you see most behaving like cows..

2050? religions will increase? lmao... tell us another joke..

No a joke

EroticAngelina:
why won't they be larger when they keep on killing non-muslims a.k.a CHRISTIANS!

trouble makers.

Stop generalizing.

The popolution of radical muslim worldwide is not up to 10%, and definitely they will go into oblivion.