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PoliticsRe: Breaking Up Nigeria Because Of Fulanis Is DUMB. Discuss. by Rosskiiku(op):
I laugh at all these youths calling for break up of Naija.

So as you can shuttle now from Lagos to Jos to Abuja to Enugu to Port Harcourt AT WILL WITH NO DISTURBANCE, you want to replace that with being stuck in one region and needing VISA to enter Lagos. VISA to enter Port Harcourt or Benin?

Police in those places will harass you constantly to show your papers.

You will just turn a very local champion in your new small country.

Shuttling between Enugu, Umuahia, and Aba only.

You'll be fcked.

Talk about limiting your horizon.

From a Nigerian to a Togolese.
PoliticsBreaking Up Nigeria Because Of Fulanis Is DUMB. Discuss. by Rosskiiku(op):
You people calling for break up of the country because of 'Fulani people' are not thinking straight.

Since when did Fulani become so all-powerful that Nigeria must break up because of them?

Why?

How?

All it takes is for Buhari's tenure to end at the next elections, to be replaced by a southerner, possibly an Igbo man, and the so-called almighty power of the Fulani is HISTORY.

So what is all this nonsense?

When PDP were in power, what did Fulanis do? Nothing. The power was all over the country.

The south wielded heavy power.

Controlled billions of dollars in oil earnings.

Controlled the military.

For 16 years.

So what is all this Fulani this, Fulani that, today?

Meanwhile, the Buhari experience will only make Nigerians more reluctant to vote in a Fulani president in future, so the democratic process will intervene to correct itself.

By the time another Fulani is elected president, say in 12 years time, the country would have been significantly restructured and arranged in a way that no president can alter it, whatever ethnicity he belongs to.

Plus, an objective person will admit that it has not been all bad with THIS Fulani president. He has done well in infrastructure.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

So, why can't you wait for elections to effect change?

A mere 1 and half year's time away.

Organise for change at the next elections.

We're a democracy.

No need to break up this African giant.
PoliticsRe: Proforce Armoured Vehicles Produced In Ogun, Bought By UN & Shipped To Somalia by Rosskiiku: 9:16pm On Apr 22, 2021
MrMaestro:
This is the unadulterated truth.
What truth?

You people calling for break up of the country because of 'Fulani' are not thinking straight.

Since when did Fulani become so all-powerful that Nigeria must break because of them?

All it takes is for Buhari tro be voted out at the next elections, replaced by a southerner, possibly an Igbo man, and the so-called almighty power of the Fulani is HISTORY.

So what is all this nonsense?

When PDP were in power, what did Fulanis do? Nothing. The power was all over the country.

Meanwhile, the Buhari experience will only make Nigerians more reluctant to vote in a Fulani president in future, so the democratic process will intervene. By the time another Fulani is elected president, say in 12 years time, the country would have been significantly restructured and arranged in a way that no president can alter it, whatever ethnicity he belongs to.
PoliticsRe: Proforce Armoured Vehicles Produced In Ogun, Bought By UN & Shipped To Somalia by Rosskiiku: 8:48pm On Apr 22, 2021
plaindealer:
The armored trucks are not different from the ones in America or China because the general concept remains the same all over the world, but according to the inferiority complex and low self-esteem Nigerians, it's worthless and useless because it's made in Nigeria even though this product is an export product that other countries and even the UN are buying from us.


Ignorance

Low self-esteem

Inferiority complex

Hatred

Bitterness

Tribalism

Anti-Nigerian mentality



....pick one
We need a serious re-orientation in this country.

We need an 'Obama' that could rally all and sundry. wink
PoliticsRe: Proforce Armoured Vehicles Produced In Ogun, Bought By UN & Shipped To Somalia by Rosskiiku: 8:47pm On Apr 22, 2021
poyet:
And the Nigerian armed forces barely patronize this company, but go to war ordinary pickup trucks, endangering its personnel.
The Nigeria Police should be commended, because it's the main agency of government patronizing this company ahead of any other.
You don't use tanks and armoured personnel carriers to fight terrorists.

This equipment is for conventional warfare.
PoliticsRe: Proforce Armoured Vehicles Produced In Ogun, Bought By UN & Shipped To Somalia by Rosskiiku: 8:44pm On Apr 22, 2021
BiafIntel:
ASSEMBLED IN OGUN. Corrected!!!
All vehicles are '''assembled''.

Car manufacturing plants around the world are called ''car assembly plants''.

There is no difference between 'manufacturing' and 'assembling' in the industrial world.

It is a merely a Nigerian foolishness.
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku: 10:18pm On Apr 21, 2021
gaddafe:
I am even surprised people are arguing with the OP on this issue. This was something I found out since 2008. It was even placed in the Edo state website then where they tried explaining why there were various languages in Edo state. We seriously need to wake up
Good stuff. cool
SportsArsenal Fans Beg Dangote To Buy Arsenal, Following Super League Fiasco by Rosskiiku(op): 8:19pm On Apr 21, 2021
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BUY, BUY! Arsenal fans beg Nigerian billionaire Aliko Dangote – worth £8.3bn – to buy club from Kroenke after 2021 takeover hint


Anthony Chapman

UK Sun Newspaper

21 Apr 2021, 16:19



ARSENAL fans are desperate for Nigerian billionaire Aliko Dangote to buy the club following Stan Kroenke’s involvement in the disastrous European Super League.

The Gunners put out a statement last night apologising for signing up to Florentino Perez’s controversial brainchild following a huge backlash from the greater footballing world.

And the spotlight is now on American owner Kroenke, believed to be one of the main ESL instigators.

https://i0.wp.com/storage.googleapis.com/thisday-846548948316-wp-data/wp-media/2018/10/2cf884fd-aliko-dangote-1.jpg?resize=696%2C522&ssl=1

Loyal Gooners are desperate for a new leader to take the club forward.

And some are holding out for Dangote to step forward after hinting last year that he could make an offer in 2021.

The magnate, worth £8.3billion, invested in an oil refinery and claimed it would be operational this year, allowing him to focus on new projects which could include buying Arsenal.

Dangote said in January 2020: “It is a team that yes, I would like to buy some day.

“I’m trying to finish building the company and then after we finish, maybe some time in 2021, we can.

“I’m not buying Arsenal right now, I’m buying Arsenal when I finish all these projects because I’m trying to take the company to the next level.”

And Gunners supporters are hoping Dangote can soon replace Kroenke at the head of the table.

One said: “We need Dangote to buy Arsenal now.”

Another wrote: “Aliko Dangote, this is the perfect opportunity for you to buy Arsenal. Please, we are begging you.”

One tweeted: “Aliko Dangote please take over Arsenal now!”

Another noted: “Can’t help but think it might be a good thing for us. Might mean the Kroenkes finally leaving.

“Someone like Usmanov or Dangote might come in for the long haul to make Arsenal competitive again.”

One added: “Dangote should please buy Arsenal, we need new manager. A big club like Arsenal can’t be struggling.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14722616/arsenal-kroenke-dangote-takeover-bid/
PoliticsRe: Do Black Lives Matter To Blacks by Rosskiiku: 7:51pm On Apr 21, 2021
Banmeallday:
As long as Nigeria exist then Black lives will continue to not matter.....
What a tragic, self-defeatist way to reason.

Hope you don't impart this negativity on your kids.

It will be tantamount to child abuse.

Killing their dream before they've even had a shot at it.

Rather than be tomorrow's Dangotes, or INNOSONs, they'll be the Banmealiday of Future NAIRALAND, failed (in their eyes), disgruntled, and typing the same .....despondency and hopelessness.

All because no one ever gave them hope.

God placed you here for a reason.

He did not place you here to be despondent and hopeless in His Creation, but to thrive.
PoliticsRe: Do Black Lives Matter To Blacks by Rosskiiku: 7:42pm On Apr 21, 2021
Very appalling, evil, and worthy of the strongest condemnation, and heaviest punishment possible.

But man's inhumanity to man is not race-specific.

In the last century white folks killed 100 million of themselves in so-called 'world' wars, which were in truth, just warring European tribes.
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku:
DFOmobolla:
You clearly don't understand my point, just re-read this.
ETHNICITY was not language-based. It was based on ancestry and lineage.
What more are you trying to prove?.
I agree, bro.

In fact I will explain this further in a way that will be quite jarring to us today.

SCENARIO 1:

Let us assume you are in the year 1750, long before colonialism.

You were born in Awka. You speak the Igbo language.

One day, you decide to travel with your wife to the west, ie Yoruba-speaking territory, say Ijebu-Ode, to settle, and maybe raise a family.

You learn the Yoruba language after a few years there. Then you have kids.

Since you had no concept of being ''an Igbo man'' (merely a man from Awka), you would happily give them the names used by people in that region, eg Olusegun, Afolabi, Adedoyin, etc.

They will be speaking the Yoruba language etc.

Guess what?

You have BECOME an Ijebu family.

What we would call today ''a Yoruba family.''

You and your kids can even be made chiefs and leaders, and elders there.

But COLONIALISM changed that.

It created what I call ''language-derived ethnic permanence''.

TODAY, if the same trip occurred, you would be regarded in Ijebu-Ode as ''that Igbo man who can speak Yoruba, but is not a Yoruba man''.

Your children would be called 'Omo Igbo' even if they speak Yoruba as fluently as anyone in Ijebu.

You see, under SCENARIO 1, the colonialists felt MOST UNCOMFORTABLE, because such social fluidity they saw as very dangerous for their occupation, as the 'Nigerians' could UNITE based on their underlying unity to drive them out.

So they created SCENARIO 2, ie ''language-derived ethnic permanence'', which stipulated that ONCE you 'hail from' Igbo-speaking territory, you remained an ''IGBO MAN'' for life, plus your entire succeeding generations, EVEN IF you migrate elsewhere in Nigeria.

This meant you could not be allowed to partake of major leadership roles in your 'Yoruba' abode, and would always be identified (and self identify) as ''Igbo'', and regarded as an 'outsider'.

Same applied, of course, to other 'ethnicities' across Nigeria.

Now of course this radically new way of seeing ourselves did not all happen overnight.

Language based ethnic permanence was legally enforced by the colonialists, and it entrenched itself in our society over several decades, to the point we are today, where we actually see it as the way it's always been.

NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

It wasn't always...like this.
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku: 9:59am On Apr 21, 2021
gaddafe:
Oga please writing was discovered by black Africans. Nobody is disputing this. We read this way back in school. Please if you have any source that claim otherwise quote it here. Numbers started as a result of the trade between Egyptians (black Egyptians) and Sumerians (Arabs). Record keeping started in Egypt. There is nobody disputing these facts. These are common knowledge for those that studied history and library science
Absolutely correct. For those in doubt, here is a little known papyrus, called the Papyrus of Maiherpri, from Ancient Egypt, dated to circa 3000 BC, ie over 5,000 years ago.

Note that the first known literate white civilization was Greece, which arose around 800 BC, ie 2,800 years ago, which suggests that black Africans used writing more than 2,000 years before Europeans did.

Papyrus of Maiherpri
.............https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Maherperi.JPG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiherpri
PoliticsRe: UK Asylum To Biafrans, Why Pro Nigerians Should Worry by Rosskiiku:
NigeriaIsZOO:
I can feel your pains and disappointment which is very apparent. However, I will respond to your emotional outbursts as logical as possible.

1st paragraph, are you trying to compare Nigeria to China in global diplomatic circle or what? China is a very powerful and very influential country, now almost at par with the US. They have what it takes to fight any country to a standstill over Hong Kong and no nation or global organization can intimidate them, not even US or UK! On the contrary, Nigeria is a third world, poor, highly dependent and very weak country. A couple of sanctions and threats by global bodies like UN is enough to make its government to grovel and beg.

2nd and 3rd paragraph, UK may no longer be the powerful Great Britain it used to be but trying to write them off is just wishful thinking. UK alongside Germany and France remain Europe's most influential countries. UK's traditional alignment with US makes them even more influential. UK can easily reach out to America and make them see reasons why Nigeria should be hit with crippling sanctions and possible external invasion should they refuse to comply and accept a referendum, especially if there is widespread loss of lives.

4th and 5th paragraph. You really seem to overestimate Nigeria's strength or capabilities. FYI, Nigeria is as weak, dependent and fragile as any poor third world country. It seems you don't understand how such scenario plays out but I will enlighten you. Britain does not need to send boots on the ground. However, once Britain becomes all out to subdue such recalcitrant Nigerian government, they will start with massive media attacks, international diplomacy and severe undermining of Nigeria's interests which will culminate in crippling sanctions on our oil exports, embargo on financial transactions with Nigeria, embargo on arms supply to Nigeria, sanctions on the president, his family, ruling party and anyone that identifies with them. Do you think Nigeria can survive a month under such scenario??

6th and 7th paragraph. Lol, it is Nigeria that has always seen Britain as its Lord and personal saviour. It was Britain that protected and provided all your needs both diplomatically, arms wise and logistically. Isn't it funny that you now turn around to accuse others of what you've been doing perennially over the years?

Last paragraphs. You're obviously living in the past. No one is setting anyone up and neither did France set Ojukwu up. These are just figments of your own imagination. If you think there would be another territorial war like Biafran/Nigerian war then it shows you're not a critical thinker. The most Nigeria can fight now is a guerilla warfare and you won't have the opportunity to use airstrikes or blockade to kill millions like you're dreaming. On the contrary, you would be fighting IPOB armed wing in the jungles and highways with occasional run-ins in the cities. The moment you leave that to start bombing markets or schools will only hasten the involvement of the UN. Remember there are American and French bases in Niger, Cameroun and Chad which makes it very easy for them to subdue Nigeria very easily. Also remember that once Yoruba people realize that Biafran has become achievable, they would immediately begin their own fight to establish Oduduwa. Which means in essence, it becomes a war between Arewa that is now surrounded against Biafra, Oduduwa and UN. How on earth do you think you can sustain such war beyond a few months??
What a load of naive drivel.

I'm done with you.

Actions speak louder than words.

Why not start the ball rolling and let us see this fantasy of yours achieved?

It is not about typing insolent, boastful epistles online.

Today, Nigeria is here and is going nowhere.

And there will be NO referendum.

Let us see you change that with the UK, France, the US and UN ganging up against Nigeria.

We are watching.

This was the same way Ojukwu insulted Nigeria as a ''poor, weak, 3rd world, bla bla bla'' before he lost 2 million people and fled to Ivory Coast when his wretched forces fell to vastly superior Nigerian firepower and training.

You are experts at TALKING. INSULTING.

That's it.

When the shiit hits the fan, you will start crying ''genocide''.

Air head dreamers and jobless fantasists.

Don't look for something useful to do with your lives.

You'll be here in 10 years time typing the same fantasies.
PoliticsRe: UK Asylum To Biafrans, Why Pro Nigerians Should Worry by Rosskiiku: 9:13am On Apr 21, 2021
Stone03:
Overestimation of a country that is almost limbless.
You think it will be the same as it was? Even now, Southeast is fighting fulanis with a more sophisticated improvised device. Your myopia and hatred has hampered from vision from seeing that it won't be easy for the federal government to go into war with any prepared region now. Who will fight for your unity? The regions that fought in the 60s while Awolowo was in the West eating amala and ewedu are also battered and are angry with this Fulani government. Wake up!

I just pray that the federal government will be humble enough to call for a conference that will be implemented at the end.
Dude, it is not civilians or ''regions'' that fight wars.

It is TRAINED SOLDIERS.

They are trained to obey the orders of the President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

If you declare secession, an illegal act, the Nigerian government will send its MILITARY to level your territory with bombs.

It is not dependent on whether Mr Alabi in Ibadan or Mr Ortom in Benue likes Nigeria or not.

How other people in other parts of Nigeria feel about it is 100% irrelevant.

This is why I say you Biafrans are very NAIVE when it comes to politics, the military, and geopolitics.

You treat these issues as if you are dealing with your tribal wars of old, where villagers gather to decide on whether or not to fight a neighbouring clan.

It doesn't work that way in the real world of today.

So GET A JOB, or START A BUSINESS, and quit wasting your time on fantasies.
PoliticsRe: UK Asylum To Biafrans, Why Pro Nigerians Should Worry by Rosskiiku: 9:07am On Apr 21, 2021
owobokiri:
It will never "break", it will simply IMPLODE under the weight of it's iniquities..
Abeg make we hear word.

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

The country will carry on, and in one and half years time, will hold elections, elect a southern president, and 95% of the 'separatist agitators' will shut up and start looking for contracts.

The southern government will rein in the herdsmen by deploying more soldiers tom the bush, and do same for Boko haram.


The economy will bounce back, and Nigeria will continue developing as usual with more infrastructure projects coming up.

Finish.

Make una dey here dey waste una time instead of looking for business to do and join your mates in enjoyment.
PoliticsRe: UK Asylum To Biafrans, Why Pro Nigerians Should Worry by Rosskiiku:
NigeriaIsZOO:
Not a few people often argue that Nigeria will not break up. They are so optimistic to the extent they always give reasons why it will not break up. However, contrary to such hardline stance, unfolding events have proven that Nigeria is apparently living in its last years as one nation. If anyone still had doubts before, the recent move by UK to recognize the separatists is enough to convince you where the pendulum is swinging.

In Africa, South Africa, Nigeria and Egypt are no doubt UK's most important former colonies. They will do everything diplomatically possible to maintain good relations with these countries.

UK is a very cunning country, they have seen that Nigeria is on the verge of breaking up and they decided to be proactive by recognizing the separatists. If you think UK didn't weigh things critically before embarking on this diplomatic attack on Nigeria, then you're not using your head.

UK has become completely fed up with Nigeria and having weighed their options to see that Nigeria is headed for the rocks, they decided to hit Nigerian government this deadly blow without minding how bad the government will feel.

What the UK did is tantamount to China going all out to encourage South Korea, without minding how North Korea will feel or Russia recognizing Taiwan and opening diplomatic relations with them without minding how their Chinese friends will feel.

This move alone should convince anyone who thinks critically that Nigeria is about to unravel. If the UK can make such bold move against the Nigerian government, then it is not farfetched that they may wake up tomorrow and rally the international community to call for a referendum on Nigeria.
The UK giving IPOB terrorists asylum does not imply Nigeria will break up, any more than the UK granting Hong Kong activist Nathan Law asylum means China will break up.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/09/china-blasts-uk-asylum-hong-kong-nathan-law

You truly overestimate the power of the UK.

They are just one fcking HAS BEEN colonial power of yesteryear, with no influence over any sovereign nation of Nigeria's status.

If the NIGERIAN GOVT says no part of Nigeria shall secede, THAT'S THE END OF THAT, whatever Britain thinks.

If you want to go to war, make we fight, and we shall turn the East to a parking lot.

If you think Britain will send her soldiers to fight and die for you, you have another think coming.

If you think Britain will send you weapons to fight Nigeria, you are the most deluded goat on the planet.

Mumu people. Dependent, colonised, and slave-minded.

Waiting on your slave master to save you from his own creation.

If you people had basic geopolitical common sense, you would be seeking alliances with nations like North Korea, Iran and Cuba, not Britain.

Those are the sort of rebel, anti-imperialist nations that do 'freedom fighting'.

That do surreptitious armaments shipments and stockpiling.

That send mercenaries to fight for freedom.

When Angola was fighting for freedom, they built alliances with Fidel Castro's Cuba, who sent in military assistance to the MPLA who fought against the western-backed UNITA forces that supported the status quo.

The Angolans understood geopolitics.

But you 'Biafrans'? Dumb as bricks.

Like Ojukwu, you foolishly go crawling to the same imperialists that enslaved and colonised you and raped your mothers, expecting them to be 'good' to you this time.

Britain is likely just setting you guys up for another slaughter.

This was the same way France deceived Ojukwu, and pretended to support 'Biafra'.

When push came to shove they refused to supply weapons to Biafra, and you were left to fight with cutlass and catapult and your primitive Ogbunigwe.

This time you will fight with sticks and stones and lose 10 million people instead of the usual 2 million.

Geopolitical neophytes.
PoliticsRe: Nigerians Praise Buhari And Osinbajo For Infrastructural Revolution by Rosskiiku: 6:20am On Apr 21, 2021
Buhari is the Infrastructure President.

Corruption was much reduced in his presidency compared to the PDP lootocracy.

Sure, insecurity is a problem, but what about the millions of early deaths and poverty that were caused by PDP looting?

That is insecurity even if not as dramatic (ie indirect insecurity).

Billions that could have been spent on hospitals and infrastructure that would have saved or improved many lives were looted by PDP officials.

So overall, Buhari's administration is far better.

I also read he's had only 6 trillion naira to spend compared to Jonathan's 51 trillion, but he's accomplished more, by way of infrastructural development, which is just stunning.
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku: 5:41am On Apr 21, 2021
PoliticsRe: The First Story Building In Nigeria by Rosskiiku: 5:03am On Apr 21, 2021
9jakool:
The so-called first storey in Nigeria was built by a European on African soil. Is that something to celebrate? The same lies we've been fed since school. The so-called "first well in Nigeria" built in the 1800s in Badagry was another lie as if our forefathers didn't know how to tap water from the ground till the white man showed up. We celebrate this as if it's an achievement, but it's mediocrity and makes us look like laughing stock of the world.


Pay in mind that the Goborau minaret in Katsina was built in the late 1300s by Africans and it's three stories high.
Honestly bro, our people are just LOST.

Knowledge of their own history: 0

Even government officials, dumb and ignorant to the hilt.

You will see them in Badagry, grinning like stupid goats, telling foreign tourists ''This was the first storey building in Nigeria, built by the colonial 'masters' in 1897!''

The colonialists really dealt with us, with their education system that demonized and downplayed our pre-colonial past.

We need to wake up.

It is a real tragedy.

...........https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/14/11/1398737582-clarke-quote.jpg
PoliticsRe: The First Story Building In Nigeria by Rosskiiku:
The idea that white foreigners built the ''first storey building in Nigeria'' is so REPULSIVE, WRONG, AND EVIL that it requires little further comment.

Suffice it to add that 14th century European visitors to the city of Benin attested to the GLORIOUS nature of that city, with its NUMEROUS multi-storey private and public buildings and edifices, in a city that was described as one of the most beautiful on the face of the earth.

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Benin City, the Mighty Medieval Capital Now Lost Without Trace

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku: 1:42am On Apr 21, 2021
gwafaeziokwu:
You didn't read Things fall apart well or you simply chose to quote a small part to support you unfounded assertions.
The 'assertions' are not mine alone as you can read from the various scholarly research I posted in support.

Can you locate any studies which argue against those findings?

Nope...

When Mbaino caused trouble by killing the daughter of Umuofia ,they asked for serious trouble and it was by no means "mundane". Spilling of blood is an abomination but more grave when it is an 'Ada' daughter of the soil. If your cousin brother fights and kill your sister would you consider it "mundane"? Is such a crime not capable of causing bad blood between your two families?
It will cause bad blood between families, but it would not lead to all out war, or a demand for a virgin and a young man to kill as recompense.

That is the action of independent, sovereign nations, NOT ''blood brothers''.

It is similar to what would happen TODAY if Ghanaians killed a Nigerian unjustly and Nigeria demanded compensation on threat of war. In fact Nigeria wouldn't go that far. So if anything we feel more related to Ghana than your Igbo-speaking ancestral villages felt to one another.

Now, Okonkwo's mother was from Mbanta another different clan from Umuofia just like Mbaino was. When Umuofia sent Okonkwo on an exile as punishment for manslaughter where did he head to? Mbanta. Did they receive him ? Yes. Was there much culture shock? No. Basically they were united in many things but still maintains fierce independence in keeping their clan.

Did you read the account of what the white men did to Abame , who are present day Abam people in Abia state.

Now listen to Uchendu the old man as he addressed Okonkwo and Obierika in pg 109-110

"My son(Okonkwo ) has told me about you (Obierika) and I am happy you have come to see us. I knew your father, Iweka. He was a great man. He had many friends here and came to see them quite often. Those were good old days when a man has friends in distant clans. Your generation does not know that. You stay at home afraid of your next door neighbour. Even a man's motherland is strange to him nowadays"


Pg 110, he continued.

"Yes people travelled more in those days. There is not a single clan in these parts that I do not know very well. Aninta, Umuazu, Ikeocha, Elumelu, Abame- I know them all."

"Have you heard? Asked Obierika, 'that Abame is no more?'
'How is that? asked Uchendu and Okonkwo.
"It is a strange and terrible story. If I had not seen the few survivors with my eyes and heard their story with my own ears, I would not have believed. Was is not on Eke market day that they fled to Umuofia? He asked his two companions.
Africans travelled around and migrated aplenty in precolonial times.

We are not saying they did not know about each other. They just did not regard themselves as belonging to a single 'Igbo' or 'Yoruba' ethnicity etc.

It's like how we travel today. I go to Kano, Kaduna, Lagos, Jos, Aba, Abuja etc for business and pleasure. It doesn't mean I think I belong to a singe ethnic group as the people in those places.


Survivors of British invasion of Abame, found refuge in Umuofia and many other clans and were well received. People felt sympathy towards their plight. Why didn't Abame people move towards let's say Yoruba land?
Don't be ridiculous. They moved to the nearest safe locale, and THAT would not have been a Yoruba speaking region


Before the British people came to Igbo land, we were aware of each other existence. Many people travelled from present day Anambra state to go and consult Aro shrine in faraway Abia state. We knew the happenings in all clans far and near because we share market days. We knew for example when each clan had their new yam festivals celebration. We knew the hottest masquerade festivals and people leave their clans and travel for hours or even days to attend and return to their clans. News about what was happening in most of the Igbo clans always filter in because we were interested in each other well being. Yet, that doesn't mean that we will allow you to cross boundaries. We were republican so everyone maintained their space.

Do more research before you run to town with half truths.
None of what you've typed obviates the ''fierce independence'' of each of those clans.

THAT is the crux of the matter.

''Fierce independence''.

'Fierce independence' is the language of people who do not share a common lineage, and know it.

Common lineage tends towards consolidation and centralisation of authority, NOT fragmentation and splintering into autonomous chiefdoms.
PoliticsRe: There Were No 'Tribes' In Nigeria Before Colonialism. Discuss by Rosskiiku: 1:07am On Apr 21, 2021
DFOmobolla:
Lol, calm down bro.
Discovery in that context is not invention. You will agree with me invention of writing by whoever did, benefited Europeans more than anybody. Its the bedrock of their development.


Your interpretation of mobility is really off. The level of mobility in an area is directly proportional to its development.
In the olden days mobility is often restricted to necessity, demands that outways immobility.

And back to the topic, in those days there are less use of the mind, imagination, or one's mentality, so the concept of ethnicity was not well developed. But it was there, thats why the fulani were defeated in the jalomi war, where different tribes of the same ethnic group came together.
Are you out of your mind?

Regarding the highlighted, you clearly do not know your history.

If anything there was FAR MORE ''use of the mind, imagination, and one's mentality'' in PRE-COLONIAL Africa than there is today, in post-colonial Africa, when you've been trained by the white man to depend on him for everything you do, think, or say.
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Brief report about the great city of Benin, by the UK's Guardian newspaper:

Benin City, the mighty medieval capital now lost without trace

With its mathematical layout and earthworks longer than the Great Wall of China, Benin City was one of the best planned cities in the world when London was a place of ‘thievery and murder’.

This is the story of a lost medieval city you’ve probably never heard about. Benin City, originally known as Edo, was once the capital of a pre-colonial African empire located in what is now southern Nigeria. The Benin empire was one of the oldest and most highly developed states in west Africa, dating back to the 11th century.

The Guinness Book of Records (1974 edition) described the walls of Benin City and its surrounding kingdom as the world’s largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era. According to estimates by the New Scientist’s Fred Pearce, Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops”.

Situated on a plain, Benin City was enclosed by massive walls in the south and deep ditches in the north. Beyond the city walls, numerous further walls were erected that separated the surroundings of the capital into around 500 distinct villages.

Pearce writes that these walls “extended for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They covered 6,500 sq km and were all dug by the Edo people … They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet”

Benin City was also one of the first cities [on earth] to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.

African fractals

Benin City’s planning and design was done according to careful rules of symmetry, proportionality and repetition now known as fractal design. The mathematician Ron Eglash, author of African Fractals – which examines the patterns underpinning architecture, art and design in many parts of Africa – notes that the city and its surrounding villages were purposely laid out to form perfect fractals, with similar shapes repeated in the rooms of each house, and the house itself, and the clusters of houses in the village in mathematically predictable patterns.

As he puts it: “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”


At the centre of the city stood the king’s court, from which extended 30 very straight, broad streets, each about 120-ft wide. These main streets, which ran at right angles to each other, had underground drainage made of a sunken impluvium with an outlet to carry away storm water. Many narrower side and intersecting streets extended off them. In the middle of the streets were turf on which animals fed.

“Houses are built alongside the streets in good order, the one close to the other,” writes the 17th-century Dutch visitor Olfert Dapper. “Adorned with gables and steps … they are usually broad with long galleries inside, especially so in the case of the houses of the nobility, and divided into many rooms which are separated by walls made of red clay, very well erected.”

Dapper adds that wealthy residents kept these walls “as shiny and smooth by washing and rubbing as any wall in Holland can be made with chalk, and they are like mirrors. The upper storeys are made of the same sort of clay. Moreover, every house is provided with a well for the supply of fresh water”.

At the height of its greatness in the 12th century – well before the start of the European Renaissance – the kings and nobles of Benin City patronised craftsmen and lavished them with gifts and wealth, in return for their depiction of the kings’ and dignitaries’ great exploits in intricate bronze sculptures.

“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace
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Still think your ancestors ''did not use their minds and imagination''?

You should APOLOGISE for that comment.

Not to me, but to them, before they do you harm!

ETHNICITY was not language-based. It was based on ancestry and lineage. And THAT had NOTHING to do with ''undeveloped minds'' and ''poor imaginations'', but with absolute REALITY, of which THEY were aware, and YOU today are not, because of the colonial influence on YOUR ''mind''.
PoliticsRe: Nairaland Debate: Africa Needs To Abolish Most Of Its Traditions by Rosskiiku: 12:28am On Apr 21, 2021
superjab247:
Count Islam out of this,those people I don't if na devil na im swear for them.

Christianity doesn't support human rituals,violence and superstitions,the USA UK are all Christian countries name one African country that carry tradition for head is as developed as these nations.

Just one!!!!
The USA, a christian nation, MURDERED 1 MILLION IRAQIS based on lies about non existent weapons of mass destruction.

'Good christian' King Leopold of Belgium, murdered 20 million Congolese in his crazed colonial drive to steal African land and resources.

Christian nations including Britain, France, Belgium et al, went around the world looting, mass murdering, enslaving and colonising people just to steal their resources and enrich their own nations.

You are a colonised, brainwashed dude, which is why their criminality smells like roses to your nose!!!

EWU!!

Why won't the christian nations be ''developed'' when they went round the whole world destroying and looting other civilizations to enrich themselves?
PoliticsRe: Nairaland Debate: Africa Needs To Abolish Most Of Its Traditions by Rosskiiku: 12:21am On Apr 21, 2021
superjab247:
Mr man wether u like it or not,majority of our traditional practices does not conform with the 21st century.

That's a bitter truth.
NAME 1 ASPECT of your imported faiths, christianity and islam, which conforms with the 21st century.

JUST ONE.

In your bible and koran, there are NUMEROUS Instances where your imported 'God' is ordering people to go on killing sprees of their neighbours.

Are you aware of that?

Should I drop some quotes from your ''holy'' book?
PoliticsRe: Nairaland Debate: Africa Needs To Abolish Most Of Its Traditions by Rosskiiku: 12:12am On Apr 21, 2021
superjab247:
Don't tell me what I know okay,I know what am saying b4 I created this thread.
GO AND CAMPAIGN TO END CHRISTIANITY WHICH PRESCRIBES ''FORGIVENESS'' FOR LOOTERS, RAPISTS, AND MURDERERS.

AFRICAN TRADITION PRESCRIBES ACCOUNTABILITY, NOT ''FORGIVENESS''.

THEREFORE AFRICAN TRADITION IS SUPERIOR AND MORE RELEVANT TO OUR NEEDS THAN YOUR IMPORTED RUBBISH.
PoliticsRe: Nairaland Debate: Africa Needs To Abolish Most Of Its Traditions by Rosskiiku:
superjab247:
60% of our traditional feasts supports the usauage of human sacrifice during festive periods and it's an open secret.
You are a COLONISED moro.n..

Don't you dare come in here to besmirch African tradition with your lies, you ignoramus.

Maybe in YOUR village, festivals are done with human sacrifice. That is NOT the norm in Nigerian villages or towns or cities, and has NEVER been the norm, even in precolonial times.

So you can take your nasty, wretched, colonised air head and go stick it up some white neo nazi's stinking butt.


What you SHOULD be fighting for, if you had a working brain in your head, is for a RETURN of our traditions which stipulated HEAVY sanctions for corruption, theft, and criminality, which was the reason, the great city of Benin was reported as early as the 14th century to not need doors to people's houses because the crime rate was ZERO.

It is TODAY, with your imported religions which stress ''FORGIVENESS'' for every atrocity, including looting, stealing, rape, murder, and other barbarities, that we have a massive decline in morals, and a huge rise in crime and corruption across the land.

Your private jet flying christian pastors, looting their congregations' wealth - CROOKS who welcome their fellow looters and thieves with open arms in their church, stress nothing but wealth acquisition and raw greed, as society falls further into a moral ditch.


AND YOU HAVE THE TEMERITY, THE AUDACITY, THE EFFRONTERY, to attack the customs of our African ancestors?

HOW DARE YOU?

NONSENSE.

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