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morpheus24:
The above is true to the extent that though SA is not a homogenous society much like its neigbours Botswana and Zimbabwe, The past Apatheid struggles and shared experiencies have undoubtedly bonded the indigenous ethnic groups in terms of shared languages and cultures. A phenomenon very similar to the African American experience in the America's who identify strongly with each other irregardless of location or culture.

However this fact should not be taken as an absolute resolution to ethnic issues in SA as historically there have been rifts amongst groups who attribute certain traits to certain groups that do cause friction among the populous. These include groups who culturally and historically have exhbited domineering tendencies (don't want to mention any particular group. They know themselves), groups who have historically been percieved as elite and well educated. If not checked in the post Apatheid era may pose an escalating effect and tribalisms will rear its ugly head.


In the case of Nigeria, it is unfortunate that ethnic problems still persist and will unlikely remain for several generations to come as the people concentrate on cultural and trivial matters that have no real bearing on the progress of the country as a whole. Though there are glimmers of hope for this generation and the next who have managed to set aside ethnic diversity in terms of increased instances of inter ethnic marriages and a blending of cultures and languages through music and the arts. Though one most note these blendings have been restricted to North vs South.

Morpheus spot on ones again,I must say that you're a well read young man,you do know your story.When you said "groups who culturally and historically have exhbited domineering tendencies" I know you mean Zulus,yes historically we are told they where fearless,but today Zulus are bunch of people who are known for still practising their culture more than everyother group in South Africa,yes they still have that warrior thing,they like to fight.
Say I introduce you to a typical Zulu guy,I say "Zondi meet Morpheus he is from Nigeria and he own that shopping mall" he(Zondi) will say "me I can hit him" ,to them you respect a man who can fight.(it's just a joke,to all my Zulus I know that most of you are well educated and very intelligent people).

It's just a myth and perception that Xhosa are the most educated tribe in SA,I think it started during Mandela and even Mbeki's era,when they selected majority of xhosa Ministers and MP's.But if you really want to see if they're the most educated SA'cans,look at the people who are heading big companies in the country and also the professionals across the board you will see that Xhosa are not dominating but having said that it's not really a big thing in SA.Nobody really cares.There was also a joke doing the round, a Geography teacher asked her students where do Xhosa come from?and one student stood up and said from "Parliament Miss" .

I have not judged tribalism in your country,what I said to Ikeyman was South Africa doesn't belief in tribalism.Because he was on and on about Zulus taking over.

ikeyman00:
as for this zulu man, can only hope u never get caught in them smokin guns

yes crrime na crime, but crime can be a way of livin, for eg in coloumbia, u can see so many street gangster runnin the cities, and i think s-africa is headin that way cuz those crack head hmmm u need to see them talkin, hmm i want to kill someone now hmm then u will know what u are dealin with.

now dnt comfuse arm-robbers with those street gangster

If this is how a patriotic Nigerians think?then God save Nigeria.
It's amazing how much noise you're making about Zulus,SA is not a tribal country,yes we are all proud to be who we are but when it come to the country nobody cares about your tribe.Yes western media try to cause friction but it's not working,ANC is made up of all groups,and let me tell you that in SA 2 out 3 South Africans can speak at least 3 other local languages,therefore sometime it's even difficult to tell if someone is xhosa,zulu,tswana,sotho,pedi,venda,ndebele or tsonga.because they all knows each other's languages.

We had two presidents who where Xhosa(Mandela and Mbeki),one Tswana(Motlanthe) and now we going to have a Zulu(Zuma).Zuma said he is going to serve one term only,and our president after that might be Tsonga(Ramaphosa) so you see that there is no group or tribe in SA that control this country?

Arm robbers,street gangsters, whats is the difference?they'r all criminals.

I think Zuma will do well as a President,he's got the right attitude.

JZ says delays are not acceptable
South Africa’s president-in-waiting Jacob Zuma will inherit a still-simmering crisis in neighbouring Zimbabwe, where analysts said he’s unlikely to tread as softly as his predecessor Thabo Mbeki.




Mbeki brokered the power-sharing deal that brought Zimbabwe’s long-time President Robert Mugabe together with his erstwhile rival Morgan Tsvangirai, who became prime minister in a unity government in February.

Under the joint administration, Zimbabwe has halted its spectacular economic collapse, abandoning its worthless currency and eased price controls, which has brought food back onto store shelves.

But with unemployment at 94percent and more than half the population surviving on international food aid, the country remains mired in a humanitarian crisis that shows few signs of easing.

Squabbling within the unity government is rife, most dramatically between Finance Minister Tendai Biti, one of Tsvangirai’s top aides, and central bank chief Gideon Gono, who presided over years of world-record hyperinflation.

“South Africa was instrumental in the negotiations for the power-sharing government and they will support it” despite the problems, said Joseph Kurebga, a Harare-based political analyst.

But South Africa’s stake in the success of the government goes well beyond diplomacy.

Up to three million Zimbabweans have fled to South Africa in the hope of earning a living, while a cholera epidemic that erupted last year quickly seeped across the border into South Africa.

Mbeki dealt with challenges through his so-called “quiet diplomacy” that avoided calling out Zimbabwe on its failures. Zuma is unlikely to prove so gentle, analysts said.

“They are going to maintain this idea of constructive engagement with the leadership in Zimbabwe, trying to get them to come together around the table and resolve whatever issue might arise,” said Siphamandla Zondi, researcher at the Institute for Global Dialogue.

“But I don’t think that they are going to have patience with the Zimbabwean players should they not move along as expected.”

Zuma has proven himself a capable negotiator, credited with curbing political attacks between his own ANC and the Zulu-dominated IFP in the 1990s.

As the crisis unfolded in Zimbabwe last year, Zuma didn’t hesitate to speak out, saying he believed Zimbabweans were demanding change and that delays in the violence-plagued elections were “unacceptable”. – Sapa-AFP

Jacob Zuma has warned there would be no jobs for friends in his new Cabinet, as criticism within the ANC mounted against some of the newly chosen premiers.

“There will be no favours and there are no friends. Those not put in government must not cry,” Zuma told a rally at Zwide in the Eastern Cape on Sunday.

The ANC president said being a friend of his was not a guarantee to a government job, The Star newspaper reported.

Zuma, whose ruling party failed to secure a two thirds majority in the April general elections, said he would not tolerate incompetence.

“Those who are chosen must not feel they are above the rest.” Zuma, who is expected to name his Cabinet within the next few days, last week announced the nominated premiers to each province, notably choosing Gauteng’s housing MEC, Nomvula Mokonyane, over the widely expected choice, the current premier, Paul Mashatile.

The ANC Youth League has called on the party to reconsider its decision and appoint Mashatile, who took over from Mbhazima Shilowa, a co-founder of ANC breakaway party Cope.

The ANC in the Northern Cape has also complained about its provincial chairman, John Block, being sidelined in favour of Bo-Karoo mayor Hazel Jenkins.

But Zuma said the ANC leadership in each province had put forward three candidates for premiers and that the national executive committee was free to choose from them.

“Provinces should understand that whoever is appointed must be supported by the structures, so I don’t understand who in the provinces are now making a noise about their first preference.

“If three names are submitted and we choose one, we are allowed to choose any one of them,” said Zuma, who will be inaugurated on Saturday. – Sapa

http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=992668

sucessful1:
@rsa and hadex

florence was shot 6 times in her home in randburg,was she a drug dealer?no.she's an actress in the soap called generation.is she a s/african?yes

thank god that florence survived,rsa am sure that u know her.generation is a t.v series shown on sabc 1 and 2.


lucky dube was shot dead,was he a drug dealer?no.was he a s/african?yes.

there are millions of innocent blood crying out to god against s/a and my best friend joseph is one of them.

Yes I do know her,look crime is a big problem in SA and I'm not denying it.I am happy that you gave us those two examples/victims because it proves that crime is not an ethnic,colour or nationality thing.it affect everyone,Nigerians are as safe or in danger as anybody else in the country.
Things are getting better now,our new safety minister has some tough security plans and its paying off,lots of people are getting arrested and stats shows improvement.
But let me warn you that whatever is happening in SA could also happen in your country,

Correct me if I'm wrong other than the kidnapping there was also stories of Martin Obafeni's car being shot multiple of time,yes he was lucky to have came out unhurt.Also the was a same incident with 2Face,they where lucky because they survived,imagine if they where not so lucky.

morpheus24:
@ RSA

the great Proudly South African RSA. Still defending his country relentlessly. I guess I'll give you an "A" for your resilience

As far as hadexman is concerned you don't know that ethnic bigot is a hopeless "ijebu"man who just entered plane for the first time in his life and now thinks he has mouth to be talking jargons.

Yes I am Proudly South Africa,I live in the country that is alive with possibility(please not that I am not saying yours is not)

Look at you,calling Hadexman names because he is not agreeing with you,you see it is this attitude that set you kind backward,we are all proud of our countries but we don't have to bash each others to make us better.Be proud of what you have,with all it's flaws and I will be proud with mine with all it's flaws we don't have to aggree on it.

I was in lagos sometime ago,I could have concentrated on all the bad thing but I was not interested in finding out bad things,I ask about good thing,food,landmarks,history,language and so on,Yes I didn't travel around because I was warned by locals and also because I had limited time.To this day I could only remember the good thing about lagos.I was not there to compare it to any country,It was a different country that do thing differently,and as human beings one should appreciate that.

Hadex is telling you what he sees,not what he had read.Bigups Hadex for standing your ground,I know that you will enjoy your stay in the country,and maybe even taking citizenshipmI know Nigerians who have great careers and good families here.God bless!

ikeyman00:
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s-africa is gradually takin over by some zulu indeginous gangters!!! yes sir!!!

pretend as much as u like trust me the whole world knows

these gangs are so lethal that killing is just a game!!

me dnt live there but i know just like everyone else in Uk

now ask the doubters the reason the got vigilantes policing around the so called civilies s-africa, some of them even work along side the drug dealers

now i dnt wana know about those useless afrcans refuges sleepin around in scanty estate cuz they usually get chase out

imgaine a situation landlords have to pay levy to those gangsters to protect their properties

now in line with the s-african law the corrupt vigilantes aint allowed to carry weapon but they do walk around with hidden pistols, they kill,they cover it up

k hedaxman are u from sweto or emm what that again ??

What are you on about dog?Who killed who?

sucessful1:
@hadex

dont get me wrong,i dont hate s/a,i hate how things re being done there,nearly 20yrs now we conquered d old enemy apartd,stil peeps has'nt changed yet.for ur info am half s/a,i can tell u every thing from natal to isi ndaba.

Nothing changed in SA in over 20 years?which SA are you talking about?
Half SA my ass,or you must be 14years ,
From this I gather that you know nothing about SA so shut the @#4% up fool!

obigin43:
hardest man or whatever u call ur self u be fool by the time dey finish dealing with u ur eyes go clear,

Give me one Name or contactable person of Nigerian origin who was attacked for being Nigerian?
Stop hating,and beside nobody cares what you think.

morpheus24:
@RSA
I am surprised at you, I thought all foreigners were evil people. I am simply helping my brothers stay out of your beloved since you have grown tired of us and can now have the whole country to yourselfs and you are harrassing me.

I thought you would support me in discouraging these desperate souls who are doomed to replace the violent crime element that already exists in SA.

I think you're just a joke,I've learned not to take you seriously anymore.From your past posts I know that you leave in SA and you have a girlfriend here,but I still don't know your line of duty.
Get a life,everyone is moving on please do that as well.Its good for your health.

Haters Morphy I told you that there is something SAowes you,there are lot of Nigerians who are living a good life here.
Haters,haters,haters I think it is that part where you are going to tell us how close SA is turning into Zimbabwe
Get a life man,and stop being ambassador for bad news from SA.

Yeah they make us suffer,with their lack of planning.But atleast now after FIFA kicked their buts ,they've taken development seriously,but we will have that team in 2022 :'

Yeah Jimmy B,he was quiet popular in SA,he did very well here,where is he now?

I will discuss your proposal to suffer(South Africa Football Association) and since they failed to develop our players maybe they will consider your design

I think this might work

No you're wrong it's about the 2010 stadiums

Do you really guys play football? I am serious I want to know.I remember one singer/rapper who used to come from Sierra Leone but based in South Africa in the late nineties his name Steve B or something Iknow his surname was Bunjura or something.That all I know,

Wait a minute mohamed Kallon?is he from Siera?

mukina2:
My pic is still the best

at least it offers you guys hope of winning

To be honest with you I agree with you

I guess we will need all the help we can,You said you're not from liberia then you must be from Siera leone,do they play football there?

Nelson Mandela Bay

Because you said that I am posting pictures of Greenpoint stadium in Cape Town,taken by Johanne,she is a white Afrikanner woman in Cape town,happy lydon?.

So that's your panishment Mukina,you've been a naughty girl .

Invisible goals? no! you didn't say invisible,can you repeat that again? I swear you'll see what happens if you say invinsible again

Don't wori yoursef now,we wont disgrace Africa,this will not be our first time at the world cup.

Thank you Mukina2,that is encouraging ,I am sure liberia will will need that and no opponent to win it.

Who's got the last lough now

Opposition tactics by Kgalema Motlanthe

Back to the politics of fear

History repeats itself. This week the Democratic Alliance (DA) unveiled its last ditch effort to garner votes ahead of the April 22 election. It wants to stop the ANC getting a two-thirds majority. This brought to mind an article that I wrote over a decade ago, as the country was in the early stages of preparing for our second democratic election. It is worth revisiting that article now, because it reveals the extent to which the DA is locked in the past; stuck in an era when fear and prejudice was seen as a legitimate political platform.

One of the parties mentioned in the article has disappeared. The other one has changed its name and got a new leader. It is now 11 years later. But, sadly, everything else remains the same. This is the article as it was written:
A two-thirds majority: the new 'swart gevaar'(black fear)
The National Party and the Democratic Party have managed to whip themselves up into quite a frenzy over the possibility that the ANC could win a two-thirds majority in the 1999 elections.

The question that needs to be asked is why, in a constitutional democracy where voters are free to decide on the party of their choice, have the opposition created such a fuss about this particular fraction.

The answer lies in great measure in these parties' approach to contesting the ANC's support.

Lacking a coherent or realisable vision for a better South Africa, these parties have fallen back on the promotion of fear to erode the ANC's support and to generate a mood of resistance to meaningful change.

The 'swart gevaar' and 'rooi gevaar', now devoid of their previous menace, have mutated into the two-thirds gevaar.

If fear is the opposition's most enduring weapon, then a two-thirds ANC majority is their latest ammunition.

The National Party tells us that a two-thirds ANC majority spells danger for democracy, reconciliation and nation building. The Democratic Party calls for a stand against an 'autocratic, all powerful government'.

Their recent preoccupation with this question is quite telling.

For one thing, it demonstrates their abiding fear of the will of the people. A fear of democracy.

It was with great reluctance in the first place that these two parties acceded to majority rule in South Africa, and to this day they continue to show scant regard for the wishes and aspirations of the people of this country.

They fail to acknowledge that the ANC's majority in this country constitutes a solemn and overwhelming mandate to implement a programme of reconstruction, development and democratic transformation.

When ANC members of parliament push transformative legislation through parliament on health, education and other matters they do so not because the ANC is autocratic, but because it is profoundly democratic.

The ANC is often forced to use its majority to pass legislation which opposition parties bitterly object to not because it is arrogant or unreasonable, but because it has a responsibility to the millions of South Africans who elected it to create a more equitable society.

Even during the negotiations process, some of these parties sought a constitutional arrangement which would forever entrench a minority veto in this country. They wanted to constrain the will of the majority by promoting disproportionately the narrow interests of a few.

Their latest outbursts about the 'danger' of a two-thirds ANC majority shows that they have not yet moved very far from this inherent dislike of democracy.

It speaks volumes, also, that so early in the election campaign the NP and DP are preparing to lose. The only question for them, it seems, is by how much and at what cost to the ANC.

That is surely not the approach of parties who have confidence that their policies and programmes can win the support of the majority of South Africans.

It is the approach instead of parties who are acutely aware that the policies they propogate appeal only to those small sections of the population who want to cling on to the privileges they gained under apartheid.

The National Party and Democratic Party have neither the capacity nor the inclination to lead this country towards a better life, and they know it.

They have therefore cast themselves as spoilers in the democratic transition.

Their responsibility, as they themselves define it, is to place whatever obstacles they can in the way of a smooth transformation. Their performance in the national Parliament, the various Provincial Legislatures and numerous local councils around the country have provided ample evidence of this.

They see themselves as opposition parties in the most literal sense of the word - oppose the ANC at all costs, and don't bother too much about developing a viable, sustainable alternative.

But perhaps the most astounding feature of their new-found preoccupation, is that it demonstrates how very short their memories are.

Was it not the Democratic Party which "expressed reservations" on the adoption of the new Constitution? Was it not the National Party which said it found it "difficult" to vote in favour of the Constition?

The new Constitution gave enough power to Cosatu to make or unmake governments and to break the economy, Tony Leon warned us. South Africa would pay a high price for opting for majority rule, FW de Klerk said. "It is a mistake," were his exact words.

The ANC, by contrast, had no reservations about voting for the new Constitution. No difficulty. No hesitation.

The ANC voted for the new Constitution because it encapsulates the fundamental human rights and democratic values for which the ANC had fought since its establishment in 1912. More than any other party in this country, the ANC embraced the new Constitution because it considers it a vehicle through which the rights of all South Africans can be safeguarded and the inequalities and injustices of the past redressed.

The intervening two years have done nothing to diminish the ANC's support for the Constitution, nor for the basic freedoms and rights which it guarantees.

How then do you explain the opposition's insistence that given the opportunity the ANC would willingly undo the very freedoms for which the organisation fought over many decades, and for which many of its cadres and supporters lost their lives?

Certainly not by virtue of any logic.

The only way to explain this obsession with a two-thirds majority is to recognise what both the NP and the DP have recognised: that the ANC is the only organisation in South Africa capable of fundamentally transforming our society and replacing inequality with a better life for all.

They recognise also that in order to achieve this objective, the ANC needs to continue to enjoy the support of the majority of South Africans.

And it is for that reason that they are trying so desperately, even at this early stage, to deny the ANC the overwhelming electoral manadate it needs to continue and accelerate the reconstruction and development of South Africa.

May 1998

Postscript: In the decade since this article was first published, the ANC has in fact held a two-thirds majority in Parliament. In all this time it has not used this majority to change the Constitution in the way that these opposition parties predicted. It is has no intention to do so now. This is the Constitution for which the ANC fought, and we will continue to do everything we can to defend it.

>> Kgalema Motlanthe is the Deputy President of the ANC and the President of the country.
http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2009/at15.htm