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Piptocoin:
[color=indigo]does this mean you will no longer celebrate Easter?[/color]

Stop quoting me. You can add whatever you fit into your religious worship even if it is not instructed in the bible and Jesus didn't do it.

Kobojunkie:
What Jesus Christ sanctioned in the Bible that you do in remembrance of Him is not a celebration of His death but instead the eating of His body and blood in remembrance of Him.

When i said " celebration of Easter " that part where Jesus asked his disciples to always do the breaking of bread and drinking wine is what i meant.

I didn't mention anything about celebrating death and Resurrection.

Piptocoin:
[color=indigo]all that and you did not answer the question. you cannot defend your celebration of Easter but you are quick to condemn the celebration of Christmas.

before you go on condemning the celebration of Xmas, do well to have a coherent and logical reason for celebrating Easter otherwise you are just babbling.[/color]

Check back my reply on celebration of Easter.
The last supper part of it is where drinking of wine and breaking of bread is done.

Thats the only place Jesus commanded merriment of some sorts.

If you decide to add partying, killing goats and rams , you are doing that on your own.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never sanctioned your Easter celebrations so celebrating Easter in the name of Jesus Christ is a sin against Him. What Jesus Christ instead commanded we do is eat the last supper in remembrance of Him.

Easter is a pagan/secular holiday- not of the Kingdom of God - and so those who celebrate on that day ought not to do so in the name of God.

You are correct. Some parts of the Easter celebration are wrong and are acts derived from idolatry.

The only part that should be associated with drinking and braking of bread is the last supper.

Piptocoin:
[color=indigo]so wrong. the context in that scripture wasn't referring to a supposed remembrance of His resurrection where the death had not even occurred. It is the Communion which symbolises oneness with Christ. why do you celebrate Easter which, like Christmas, has its origin in the worship of a pagan deity?[/color]

Some of you keep asking questions without any objective purpose.

When you answer one question, they come with another.

According to all of you arguing in favour of Christmas, anything goes as far as you want to do it.

Thats not the legacy Jesus stood for. The Christian way of life as taught by Jesus has discipline and obedience to his instructions as core values.

But these generation of Christians can incorporate anything into christianity as far as it is about celebration.

The point has been made. There is always a time for every man to discover the truth.

aryzgreat:
Look at this illiterate.

What Jesus was referring to was the last supper before he was betrayed by Judas not Easter.

Show me where Easter is in the Bible or keep shut forever.

Easter was invented by the catholic church, so why celebrate it?

The Last supper is part of a series of events that culminated in what is referred to as Easter.
The last supper took place on the night before Jesus was crucified. the last supper signifies the sacrifice that Jesus was about to make for the Christians. So the Lord's supper is part of Easter.

The Catholic church were privileged to head the church and they did so many things correctly and also did many wrong things.
One of these is the birthday celebration of Jesus.

poiZon:
We r not celebrating Jesus birthday.
Christmas is the commemoration of the birth of our Lord and personal saviour.

Or since christians began celebrating the birth of Jesus, has Christ vex?

Please do yourself a favor and check the meaning of birthday celebration.

QuickStandard:
God bless you my brother. Some people are just pained. If you won't celebrate, no one will force you... I wonder why he's pained

No one is pained if you decide to do whatever you like as far as no one gets hurt.

The reason we are having this conversation is because Christianity is not where you wake up and do whatever pleases you.

Your actions and whatever you do has to be in line with what Jesus approves.

If not, you are not yet a Christian .

Piptocoin:
[color=indigo]And yet you celebrate Easter...a christian proudly flashing the badge of hypocrisy.[/color]

Yea..Easter celebration is proven in the bible.

You remember when Jesus said " Do this in remembrance of me" ?

Piptocoin:
[color=indigo]All I see is religious spirit talking through you. Did the angels not rejoice and celebrate His birth? Did the shepherds not celebrate His birth? Did the wise men not celebrate His birth? Who told you that celebrating the birth of Christ has anything to do with being holy or righteous?

About the disciples, were they there when He was born? Is it recorded that Jesus revealed the date of His birth to them? Everyone knows 25th of December is not the actual birth date of Christ but the world, in great unity, has come to adopt this date.

Many Christians are being ridden and influenced by religious spirits operating under the guise of truth but they hate any honourable thing that has to do with glorifying Christ.[/color]

Why dodge the real question?

Jesus spent over 30 years on earth, did he celebrate his birthday? Did anyone celebrate his birthday for him while he was on earth?

After Jesus left, did the eleven disciples choose a day to celebrate Jesus's birthday?

Ask yourself why didnt they do it?

Are you more religious than them?

All these catholic people should stop quoting me.

Non-Catholic Christians are opening their eyes everyday to see the paganism the catholic church introduced into Christianity.

Very soon only Catholics will celebrate Christmas

Clear your mind off any spiritual intonation about it.

Owls are birds created by God. They have the right to live just as you.

Stop associating them with evil.

petra1:
Anything that will stir the consciousness of Christ is OK. its still better than eliminate the mention of Christ name from.the earth

There are countless ways of promoting the image and legacy Jesus Christ stood for.
But it has to be done the right way.

jmoore:
Do we have Father's day in the Bible? So it is a sin to celebrate father's day?
Do we have Mother's day in the Bible? So it is a sin to celebrate mother's day?


Smh

What has father's day and mother's day got to do with Jesus Christ?

Is mother's day and father's day a religious celebration?


Please think before replying me because i am tired of your shallow and incoherent rejoinders.

1nigeriamyfoot:
I don't blame your likes cos some mumu pastor like kumuyi have blindfold most of you guys

Kumuyi misled most of you guys with his cult group he tagged church

In the Bible, drums, piano & other musical instruments was used to praise God but kumuyi said it's not biblical to praise God with musical instruments so they don't use drum in the cult group packaged as church

Kumuyi said it's bad to watch TV whereas he uses same TV to broadcast all his TV activities infact deeper life member only observe services by watching TV which is nothing but stupid & hypocritical attitude from th cult leader named Kumuyi

Pastor W F Kumuyi sees all religious killing under Buhari as nothing even when a pastor of his cult group was murdered in cold just because Buhari is close friend of Kumuyi

Kumuyi was so blind that nothing is working under Buhari but will always sing praises of Buhari at every slight opportunity to do so because he wants to be Biharis friend at all time

The same Kumuyi who banned his church member from wearing wedding garment but his son married his wife wearing boob revealing wedding dress & nothing happens thereafter

The mumu Kumuyi threatened to stepped down as G.O but many years have passed but he's still the G.O

Anybody following W.F Kumuyi teachings is not only stupid but completely mad

Last time i checked, this arguement wasn't about Kumuyi and his church.

Have a blessed Sunday.

jmoore:
The problem with people like you is lack of comprehension.
Did Jesus tell you to answer 'Christian'? Let's see where this your wokeness will lead you to. Stop answering Christian and use fisher of men for me to take you seriously.
Smh

Mr woke! It was at Antioch the disciples of Jesus were first called Christians. They didn't reject the name.

If the name was bad, they would have put it in their writings.

Birthday celebration was in existence during Jesus time and the disciples time but they didn't celebrate it.

Are you more righteous or holy or knowledgable than Christ that you have to celebrate his birthday for him?

Mr woke...are you more knowledgeable than Jesus?

Its more like you are trying to tell Jesus he wasnt woke enough. That he should have celebrated his birthday.

wealthgoddess:
Dude! The bible doesnt even contain everything jesus said. Archeological findings continue to reveal verifiable manuscripts that was written by the disciples in their times. You are the one that needs alot of research. Why should the celebration of my saviour be a problem for you?? Someone said it on another mo Salah thread. Religion is not by name or practice. It is by heart! God only look at the heart simple!!
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And for your information, Jesus did not sanction it in the bible. No part of the bible quoted jesus as saying birthday is evil. Jesus christ never used a phone...so we might as well say the use of phones today is evil... deeper lifers used to practice doctrines like this.
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I asked you to please point out anywhere in the bible to back up all these your manuscripts claim.
Dont just say it, prove it.


Phone is used for communication and its just a technology to communicate with anyone you wish to.
Common sense should guide you in that regard.

Christianity is all about imitating christ.

If Christ didn't celebrate his birthday when he was on earth, who are you to celebrate his birthday for him?

Are you more knowledgeable than Jesus that didn't celebrate his birthday?

jmoore:
Some people who are akagum will have to wait till 25th December to tell us Christmas is not biblical and other bla bla bla.

Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

The birth of Jesus Christ was celebrated in the Bible. That's why wise men came with gifts to celebrate him.

Use of English: It is Christmas, not paganmas.

You are trying to sound woke by calling yourself a Christian but demonize Christmas. Did Jesus call anyone a Christian? Use 'fisher of men'.

All the Christmas hymns sang in Church today have lyrics about Jesus Christ.

Satan is really using some people to distract us but satan is a loser.

While trying to sound woke, stop using Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.. They were named after European gods.

Conclusion: The earth belongs to the Lord and his fullness thereof.... None belongs to satan, the devil. If we decide to use everyday to celebrate Jesus Christ, em go still pain the devil.

Mr woke...it doesn't matter what you include in your religious worship. You can decide to incorporate juju worship into your Christian worship , nobody hold you.

True Christians know it is wrong to celebrate Jesus birthday like the worldly people do.

BlackAdam55:
The day to worship God in christendom is on Sundays,weekly actives are just small event to prepare yourself for the big events to come which is on Sundays. Who told you that I'm catholic? Pointing fingers already I see, very Christan like of you.

Yes, most of those hurt by this attack on Christmas are Catholics because the practice is embedded in their worship.

It was Catholics that introduced the Christmas celebration to other Christians but i am happy many are coming out now to see the festival for what it is.

SaintBishop:
Where in the bible is it written that Christians must use Sunday as their Official day to worship God? When God clearly told the Israelites to worship him on the Sabbath day which is on Saturdays. If you as a Christian goes to church on Sundays then you have no right to question those who celebrate Christmas. And don't give me that weekly actives crap,cause it's not the same thing as official worship.

There is nothing like official worship day in Christianity .

Christians worship God everyday as the holy spirit directs.

You may not understand this statement if you are have not received christ into your life genuinely and have the holy spirit in you.

wealthgoddess:
Smiles. Okay
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I still insist? Do you receive divine instruction before doing many of the stuffs you do today??


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And it is funny cux you think the disciples never celebrated birthdays based on what we have in the bible forgetting that there are several other manuscripts that clearly detailed how these celebrations were done. Bro message me and I can give you several hints on these manuscripts so you can look it up online.

I guess you are not trying to ask if " i get divine instruction before i eat, pee, or do normal stuff associated with everyday living" ?

Please point me to where anyone that had good relationship with God in the bible that celebrated birthday?

From old testament all through to new testament, no one did despite birthday being in existence.

Christianity is not about living your life anyhow like others do. Every action you take is checked by the way Jesus Christ lived his life and his instructions.

If it is not in line with the way he lived while on earth, then it is wrong.

BlackAdam55:
You self wey they correct person need correction as well. Christians world wide goes to church on Sundays apart from Mormons who most people believe are devilishly.
Weekly actives are not officially,not every churches or christians have weekly actives, but all churches and christians word wide have actives on Sundays. And it is not because it is work free day. In some countries, Fridays and Saturdays are also work free days.
Christians making Sunday their official day to worship God is demonic because that same Sunday Is the celebration of the Roman sungod day, that's why it is called Sunday.
Anybody having problem with christians celebrating christmas,but goes to church on Sundays is a hypocrite because it is not in any way related to God.

Stop it.

Most of you people arguing this Christmas thing are Catholic and we know were you stand in christianity.
From the graven image and all the pagan symbols in your worship, no one is surprised you guys are the ones carrying the pagan Christmas on your head like gala.
In the first place, the Christmas thing was invented by the Catholics.

Now get this into your head, there is nothing like official worship day in Christianity. There is no restriction on time and day of worship.
A Christian can worship anytime he/she likes.
Sunday Worshipping is for convenience. Aside Sunday, churches organize services as they will.

SaintBishop:
If as a Christian you go to church on Sundays then you are not a true Christan. Neither jesus or his disciples went to church on Sundays.

Going to Church on sundays isnt same as celebrating Christmas.

And Christians aren't restricted to sunday worship.

Churches these days have midweek programs and Church services are now about when the church feels most of the members can attend.

And the argument about Christmas is not about the month (December) nor the day (25th). Its about if it should be celebrated at all.

Jesus didn't authorize or instruct his followers to celebrate his birth day in the first place, so its not about the day nor month of celebration.

GreyLaw:
Read Roman 14: 5,6

Remember celebrating Christmas by eating and drinking is not wrong in itself.

The wrong thing about Christmas is tagging Jesus Christ with it.

Christmas can be anything but what Jesus stood for.

Christmas should not be seen as a Jesus Christ birthday thing because he never instructed thst his birthday be celebrated. His disciples never celebrated their birthdays nor that of Jesus.

I wouldn't have a problem with Christmas if it was tagged " Thanksgiving day" or Appreciating God's day.
This is because you can decide to appreciate God for diverse things anyday. This falls in line with the Roman 14, 5-6.
But saying its christ birthday is very wrong.

WorWorBoy:
I'm yet to see where it is written in the bible that christians must go to church on Sundays,or where any of Jesus disciples went to church on Sundays. This is how people like you will burn in hell for practicing unknown things.

Learn to make proper comparisons when arguing.

A true Christian prays and worship God everyday. You can do your worship anytime and there is no rule against that.

The Sunday worship you are referring to is for convenience . Sunday is mostly a work-free day for most people so it is wise to come together to worship on sundays. Remember aside Sunday, churches holds midweek services. Infact Christians basically worship anytime they choose.


Now to the topic of Christmas. We are not even talking of the day of the Christmas festival which is December 25th. The practice of celebrating birthdays is unchristian.

Neither christ nor his disciples celebrated birthday while they were on earth.

Despite that birthday celebration was already in existence, they didn't do it.

Why should you now as a Christian celebrate Christ birthday?

They can decide to shift the date to anytime of the year but it doesn't change anything. The practice is not in line with Jesus's legacy and what he stands for.

wealthgoddess:
Foolish pastor...was it written in the bible that you should use mobile phones or the internet?? Why are you making an online post then??
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And I know where your argument is coming from but if a group of Christian's decided to reclaim a date marked for idol worshipping for God, what then is your problem? Or didnt the bible say all things are created by God? And heaven and earth belongs to him...why then should it be a problem that a particular day (that is God's) is marked for the celebration of the birth of his son?
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What fanatics like you do not understand is that every single day has so many evils in it...and the week in which we now celebrate Easter, some tribes now and in the olden days celebrated their idols in it too.
Jesus means different things to us and if some of us decided to mark his birth and remember it every year fine!
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Morons like you should drop that pastor of a thing because you are not called by God. It is lunatics and fanatics like you that go about preaching christ with the fear of hell fire rather than his love which even Christ asked us to propagate.

Learn to make your points without insults.

Now to the topic of discourse. Christianity is a way of life for the true believers.
There are clear instructions of the way you live your life when you become a Christian.

Except you are directed by the holy spirit, you cant just start celebrating a festival that Jesus christ and his disciples didn't authorize.

If you choose to do so, you are on your own.
If Jesus or the disciples saw nothing wrong in birthday celebration, they would have celebrated their own birthdays. Remember birthday celebration was already a custom even in Jesus times and John the Baptist was beheaded in one of those celebrations.

If you are genuine knowledge seeker, care to go search deep into how this Christmas celebration started, it is entirely unchristian-like.

It was not by divine instruction.

True Christians dont celebrate Christmas.

Neither Jesus nor his Disciples celebrated their birthdays.


Jesus knew about birthday celebration but yet didnt do it. His disciples knew about birthday celebration but didn't do it and now you are celebrating the birthday of Jesus for him.

Are you more knowledgeable, righteous and holy than Jesus or his disciples?

If birthday was a good thing to celebrate, wouldn't Jesus or his disciples have celebrated their birthday?

Be wise

TAO12:
Who Oduduwa Is:

Having pointed out that the 1970s Izoduwa joke has no basis in history; what then do the historical studies say today on the roots of Oduduwa in the light of the earliest traditions and other source evidence??

Oduduwa ruled as king only in Yorubaland, so a fair inquiry into his roots must necessarily proceed with an examination of the Yorubas’ earliest traditions on his roots. Having said that, because his rule was at Ife I would begin with a description of Ife’s topography.

The archaeological survey of the Ife country shows it to lie in a high bowl surrounded by hills which form a watershed for streams flowing out via gaps between the hills.

Paul Ozanne’s 1969 report of his archaeological survey finds that many settlements were already on ground in the Ife country by circa 350 BCE.

These settlements increased in number and size over time, and by 900AD when great changes began in the area, these settlements must have been up to the 13 whose names have been passed via the traditions to the present century.

These settlements include: Iloromu (which lay along a stretch of today’s Ife-Ilesha road); Ideta (which lay along today’s road to Mokuro); Odin (which lay along the modern road to Ifewara); Iwinrin (which covered the area of today’s Koiwo and Oronno quarters); Omologun (which covered part of what is now OAU campus); Imojubi (which lay along today’s Ife-Ondo road); Ijugbe; Oke-Oja; & Iraye (which all lay west of the area now known as Modakeke). The sites of Ido; Oke-Awo; Iloran and Parakin are difficult to asserctain.

The other settlements whose names have also come down to us through the traditions are: Ilare, Esije, Ita-Yemoo, Orun-Oba-Ado (after the burial site), Ilara, and Idio.

King Oduduwa of Ife (even before becoming the king of the Ife country) was first widely known (and passed down till date by the early traditions) as Ọṣìn-Ọrà; i.e., the Head of Ora community.

Ọrà (or aptly: Òkè-Ọrà — that is, Ọrà-Hill) was an old hilly settlement in the Ife country, particularly sited in the Iloromu part of the country.

The traditions recall that it was in this hilly community of Ọrà that Oduduwa’s homeland was prior to moving down into the Omologun area of the “Ife bowl”.

After the long civil-conflict between the autochthones of the “Ife-bowl” and the new groups who continued to join them (a conflict which appears from an in-depth analysis of the traditions to have preceded Oduduwa himself), he moved his base from the partly ruined compounds of Omologun to Idio on a low hill which gently slopes in all directions.

It was from this new base (at Idio) that the new task of reorganizing the newly emerging city of Ile-Ife began. Ife thus became one single kingdom in contrast to the former confederation of kingdoms of the pre-existing settlements. The project of building a protective wall around the city was also launched.

Peace:

Cc: niggadee, Christistruth00, nisai, YungMillionaire, rhektor, theInterpreter, gomojam, Adekunle47, r4bbit

PS: Out of “curiosity”, would someone please tell me the name of Pa IDU’s father — yes, the so-called Pa Idu, his own father. Lol. Thanks.

Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?

You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.

What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?

And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?

YungMillionaire:
Reading through these posts I feel really embarrassed for the way the Bini revisionists go about their propaganda. It's pathetic and stupid. In Delta we have a lot of regard for Bini. But what I see on social media (not just Nairaland but twitter, tiktok etc.) makes me sad. How can you represent Bini by spreading easily debunkable lies all over the internet? This is weak and smacks of low self esteem. If you must lie at least do your homework to make sure that the lies are spurious enough to convince a few of the neutrals. Just like the ridiculous lie that turned Oduduwa an Ife man to a Bini man, these blatant lies will continue to expose you guys as incompetent propagandists. The reason some Binis desire to cut their obvious link with Yorubas is jealousy. They are jealous because Yoruba culture is very dominant. But if they are smart, they would preserve the link and use their strong Yoruba heritage to expand Bini influence (Yes I said it. Bini royalty was founded by Ife. The same way Itsekiri royalty was founded by Bini. Infact the only reason Itsekiri accepted a Bini prince was because it was understood that Bini royalty is Yoruba). But they won't do this because for some reason they foolishly think the only way to expand Bini influence is to destroy Yoruba heritage (an impossible task. How can you use weak online propaganda to destroy something centuries of slave trade and slavery could not destroy?). This is one of the dumbest strategies I have ever seen in my life. I know it is tough to be a minority tribe but stupidity will not give you relevance. Most of the places you go outside of Nigeria the only two tribes most people know are Yoruba and Igbo. If you go to France and say 'Bini' they think you are talking of Benin Republic. If you travel to South America the ONLY Nigerian words that ring a bell is Yoruba, Ife, and the names of the Yoruba dieties. So for those minority tribes in the South who have strong connections with Yorubas or Igbos why not take advantage of this connection rather than fight it? If I go to Brazil, Cuba, Colombia etc. as an Itsekiri man why shouldn't I emphasize my Yoruba heritage and still educate about my unique Itsekiri experience? Why shouldn't a Bini man do the same? Why lie to deny yourself of a rich cultural experience? Stupidity is a disease. It renders its victim blind to reality and wisdom. I weep for stupid people. There is no hope for them in this life.

Come out and own your Yoruba identity with your full chest.
No need hiding under being ftom Delta state.

Ok