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imagine for one minute how the world would look like if we have deities dictating what is good and bad....the confusion.. the chaos.

Even amongst Christian, there are hundreds of thousands of denominations each with his own idea of what his deity says is good and bad!

KingEbukasBlog:
That explains why atheists have no moral compass .




The Jewish were a people who refrained from allowing pagan myths to invade their culture.



I don't think you understood my post .

I'm not saying religion dictates moral laws , I'm saying that God is the supreme authority that decides what's good or bad . Since atheists deny this , they subscribe to subjective morality .

Dude you know that the Islamic Deity authorizes his members to kill unbelievers right? That should be good right?

Yeah right! Like He did in the old testament when he ordered children to be killed right?

KingEbukasBlog:
Brother 4kings , the post addresses the wickedness of atheists . The same way atheists open threads condemning the Inquisition ( I condemn it too though ) .

But you see bro , the difference between atheism and Christianity is that doctrine in Christianity deprecates moral turpitude unlike atheism . That's why Christians can condemn the Inquisition because its against the teachings of Christ . But what reason do atheists have to condemn it?

Its inhuman to kill people because of their beliefs ? The communists did worse - they killed religious people (believers in God) because of their beliefs . The atheists justified their wickedness with this - they believed man , not God determines what is right or wrong .

So to that Mexican president who carried out this pogrom against the Priests , he is doing the right thing . Do you see how dangerous atheism is ? You as an atheist decides what is right or wrong - its arbitrary most times .

Atheism is the disbelief in any Deity! Most of the teachings in the Bible were copied from earlier books of philosophy that mostly were penned down by atheists and non Christians.

Religion doesn't dictate the societal more Justice. we've had moral guidance way before religion.

Calles was a Freemason. Freemasons are not atheists. part of the requirements for u to become a mason is that you must declare a believe in a supreme being.

You had to skip the part where a religious zealot murdered an innocent man, right?

whatever calles did was not based on any atheistic value.

The establishment and the New World Order Buffon's would never stop to amaze me.

Trump is already making America great! The market is at an all time high. He has already saved thousands of jobs. The dollar is getting stronger. Trump while even not in office yet has done more in 20 days than obummer did in 8 years. And what has they establishment to say? Growth is bad, strong dollar is bad, More jobs is bad. Smh for this cry babies.

Most Nigerian pastors are just tricksters.

Just saw this video about TB Joshua's tricks, deceptions and brainwashing on facebook and thought i should share.

https://www.facebook.com/trina.white.50309/videos/203304253448434/

KingEbukasBlog:
North Korea is an atheist state , an atheist state oo

lmaooo

North korea is not an atheist state. They worship their supreme leader. That you do not have a name to their kind of religion doesn't for a minute make it atheist.

DoctorAlien:
Do you know that you have no proof that GOD does not exist?

Atheists are hypocrites. I expect to hear "I don't know if GOD exists" and not "GOD does not exist."

Before you reply me, chew and digest this apt, albeit not perfect definition(can GOD be defined?) of GOD.

"GOD is the Creator and Sustainer of, and not a part of the Universe."

you are the one said that God exists. The onus of proof is on you brother. If i tell you that my phone can dance, what's the most likely thing for you to do?

Jibril659:
i would like to see what julian has on her,

he's dumped some. More to come
https://www.ft.com/content/9805b064-8d96-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

state department released new batch of emails as well. Still more to come on the sleazy killary.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/clinton-emails-state-department/

She just wouldn't know what hit her, i swear,

wirinet:
Please educate us on who the real Americans are voting for, Someone who has never administered a county before or held any administrative position? Trump is just a rich spoilt racist, chauvinistic white kid, who defrauds and beats the system. How come he made a loss of $1 billion in one year and made profits (or refuse to disclose is balance) in subsequent years?

All trump activities are fraudulent.

you are totally ignorant. All big businesses make loses all the time. Ask apple. Ask dangote.

And why do you think big businesses employ tax administrators? don't talk what you know nothing of, bro.

clinton has being administering for decades now, and please can you recount her achievements? If trump can administer an empire worth over $3 billion, then he can asf govern America. (by the way, we've had movie stars run america).

Jibril659:
that woman should be in jail. i just dunno what's wrong with this world that we are living in

one word....Liberals. they disgust me.

modath:
& you know the real Americans from your Aba street corner bah? Hating Obama and Buhari does not in anyway make any difference, una just dey exercise in futility... all motion no movement..

* The tinz one bin dey see for dis NL alley sef*

you are probably an illegal immigrant. Get ready to be deported back to your brown roof estate.

Jibril659:
wikileaks has a grab on hillary

yeah. but they want to overshadow it with whack 'pu**y' talk. Killary is a dangerous being and i fear for the world if she's elected. just thinking about it alone gives me shills.

modath:
Trump will not be president and that ends it!

that's the most ignorant statement i've heard yet. Watch trump come up stronger after this like he always does. Stop watching CNN. There ratings are crap in America. Real americans know who they are voting for.

Enough of all these holier than thou atitude for a statement a guy made in private conversation 11 years ago.

so trump said 'grab 'em by the P**sy' and so what? Jayz, kanye west, Lil wayne and even our own Wizkid her has said worst and you know what? we celebrate them.

Lots of girls and women crying outrage are probably reading or planning to read 50 shades of grey (over 50 million copies sold already). When the movie came out, it was a blockbuster.

So Trump said p**sy, but bill clinton actually did p*ssy (by force that is). And hillary clinton defended her husband against all his rape cases. Even called the women he raped, thrash.

Trump is not running to be a pope. I bet you, what he said, many of us, guys say worse when we are in our guy's circle. We love to brag about such things and I know for sure that girls say worse when they are alone.

Why don't we stop discussing personalities and start discussing actions and policies.


Here is the list of women that bill clinton actually RAPED.

Paula Jones: A former Arkansas state employee, Jones sued Bill Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment. Jones claims that in 1991 then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and exposed himself to her in a Little Rock hotel. Clinton eventually settled with Jones out of court for $850,000, but never admitted to any wrongdoing.

Juanita Broaddrick: Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator, alleges that Bill Clinton, who was running for Arkansas governor at the time, raped her in an Arkansas hotel room in the spring of 1978.

Kathleen Willey: Willey was a White House volunteer aide who, in March of 1998, alleged on the TV news program 60 Minutes that Bill Clinton had sexually assaulted her during his first term as President.

Eileen Wellstone: Wellstone, an English woman, alleges that Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near Oxford University where Clinton was a student in 1969.

Carolyn Moffet: Moffet was a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met Governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and was invited to his hotel room. Moffet alleges that she fled the hotel room after Clinton demanded she perform sex acts on him.

Elizabeth Ward Gracen: A Miss Arkansas who would go on to win the Miss America contest in 1982, Gracen alleges that she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won the Miss Arkansas competition.

Becky Brown: Becky Brown was Chelsea Clinton’s nanny. L.D. Brown, an Arkansas State Trooper and Becky’s husband, claims that Clinton attempted to seduce her in while the two were in governor’s mansion.

Helen Dowdy: Dowdy, the wife of one of Hillary’s cousins, alleges that in 1986 Bill Clinton groped her on the dance floor of a wedding.

Cristy Zercher: Zercher was a flight attendant aboard Clinton’s campaign jet from 1991-1992. Zercher told the Star magazine that Clinton groped her for over 40 minutes.

http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/heres-the-long-list-of-women-14730379/

lots of kids on nairaland. Time to leave this forum for good.

Trump has always being a nice human. A smart business man.

Killery belongs is a selfish, disgusting, war monger and she belongs in prison.

Mainstream media won't let you know these.

Trump sheltered Jennifer Hudson rent free after her family was murdered.

Trump sued the city of Palm Beach when he purchased that was segregated club, Mar-A-Lago, to have it opened up to Blacks and Jews.

Donald Trump paid to insure a Mexican-American boy would graduate from college when he read a news article that the mother was terminally ill.

A Donald Trump supporter, Miss Wisconsin 2005 teared up at a rally as
she thanked the GOP front-runner for all his support and help in an
emotional moment at a his rally this year as she struggles with an
incurable disease.

According to (N.Y. Police Commissioner) Kerik, who by the way spent a
great deal of time down at Ground Zero, Donald Trump displayed
incredible generosity and concern towards the volunteers and first
responders who worked down at “The Pile” sifting through debris for
body remains. Bernie told me without hesitation, “Trump instructed
hundreds of his hotel workers to head down to Ground Zero and offer
a hand doing whatever needed to be done. Be it hand out water, food,
etc, etc.” I asked if the cameras caught any of this? Kerik explained
there were no cameras permitted in the area, and Trump knew this.
Meaning, he didn’t do it for the fanfare or press clippings. Perhaps
Donald did it because he loves America, and because he cares about the
American people?


Kerik went on to say Trump himself visited Ground Zero to help lift
spirits and to thank the tireless workers who were down there each
day and night searching for bodies. “He didn’t have to do it, he
wanted to do it. That’s the Trump I know.”
~N.Y. Police Commissioner Kerik~


TRUMP has contributed to the ....
Arnold Palmer foundation ..
Celebrity fight night foundation ...
Children with AIDS ...
David Foster foundation ...
Los Angeles police foundation ...
Make a wish foundation ...
Operation smile ...
Paralyzed veterans of America ....
Gave one million dollars to help the Vietnam War Memorial in
Manhattan get built...
Sent funds to Greta to help with release of our Marine, Sgt.
Tahmooressi, falsely held in a Mexico prison...
Wounded warriors ....
UNICEF....
Donald Trump dispatched his plane for a three year old boy in Israel,
and flew him to the USA for medical care, when he heard no commercial
plane could accommodate the boy's medical equipment.
Trump offered to help Ed McMahon financially to keep McMahon's home
from being taken....
Donald Trump gave $10,000 to a hero bus driver, Darnell Barton,
after seeing a news story about how he stopped a woman from
jumping off a bridge.

Trump gave the job of constructing Trump Tower to Barbara Res,
making her the FIRST WOMAN to construct a sky scrapper.

Appointed by Donald Trump, on August 16, 2016, Kellyanne Conway
became the FIRST WOMAN ever to run a GOP presidential campaign.

In 1986 Trump saved a Georgia Farm of widow, Annabell Hill, after her
husband committed suicide mistakingly thinking it a way to financially
save the family farm.

Trump's limo broke down outside of New York City. A middle-aged
couple stopped to help him. As a thank you he paid off their mortgage.

Gave a million dollars to our wounded vets at a special fund raiser he
paid for and hosted on January 28, 2016

27th Oct 2011
2008 Honoree of the Year Donald Trump
In 1982 Donald J. Trump was named as Co-Chairman of the New York
Vietnam Veterans Memorial Commission, established by Mayor Edward
I. Koch. Their mission was to raise the necessary funds in order to
build a memorial in honor of the men and women who served in the
Vietnam War, and to create a counseling and employment program for
veterans. The commission raised in excess of three million dollars. It
was Donald Trump’s challenge to the City of New York, and his
personal contribution of one million dollars, that was instrumental in
the completion of this project.....and this...
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, November 11, 1995, 12:00 AM
Here's the full list of veterans organizations Trump singled out for
donations from id wounded warriors donation drive on January 28th, 2016

TRUMP Veteran Fundraiser
22Kill $200,000
Achilles International Inc. $200,000
American Hero Adventures $100,000
Americans for Equal Living $100,000
America’s Vetdogs - The Veterans K9 Corps Inc. $75,000
AMVETS $75,000
Armed Services YMCA of the USA $75,000
Bob Woodruff Family Foundation Inc. $75,000
Central Iowa Shelter and Services $100,000
Connected Warriors Inc. $75,000
Disabled American Veterans Charitable Service Trust $115,000
Fisher House Foundation $115,000
Folds of Honor Foundation $200,000
Foundation for American Veterans $75,000
Freedom Alliance
$75,000
Green Beret Foundation $350,000
Hire Heroes USA $75,000
Homes for Our Troops $50,000
Honoring America’s Warriors $100,000
Hope for the Warriors $65,000
Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund $175,000
K9s for Warriors $50,000
Liberty House $100,000
Marine Corps- Law Enforcement Foundation $1,100,000
Navy Seal Foundation $465,000
Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society $75,000
New Englands Wounded Veterans Inc. $75,000
Operation Homefront $65,000
Partners for Patriots $100,000
Project for Patriots (*) $100,000
Puppy Jake Foundation $100,000
Racing for Heroes Inc. $200,000
Support Siouxland Soldiers $100,000
Task Force Dagger Foundation $50,000
The Mission Continues $75,000
The National Military Family Association Inc. $75,000
Veterans Airlift Command $100,000
Veterans Count $25,000
Veterans-In-Command Inc. $150,000
Vietnam Veterans Workshop Inc. $75,000
Warriors for Freedom Foundation $50,000
Total $5,600,000

(*) The above has been earmarked for Project for Patriots, Inc. and
will be released to them upon their receipt of their IRS determination
letter.

onsciousness isn’t something scientists like to talk about much. You can’t see it, you can’t touch it, and despite the best efforts of certain researchers, you can’t quantify it. And in science, if you can’t measure something, you’re going to have a tough time explaining it.

But consciousness exists, and it’s one of the most fundamental aspects of what makes us human. And just like dark matter and dark energy have been used to fill some otherwise gaping holes in the standard model of physics, researchers have also proposed that it’s possible to consider consciousness as a new state of matter.


To be clear, this is just a hypothesis, and one to be taken with a huge grain of salt, because we’re squarely in the realm of the hypothetical here, and there's plenty of room for holes to be poked.

But it’s part of a quietly bubbling movement within theoretical physics and neuroscience to try and attach certain basic principles to consciousness in order to make it more observable.

The hypothesis was first put forward in 2014 by cosmologist and theoretical physicist Max Tegmark from MIT, who proposed that there’s a state of matter - just like a solid, liquid, or gas - in which atoms are arranged to process information and give rise to subjectivity, and ultimately, consciousness.

The name of this proposed state of matter? Perceptronium, of course.

As Tegmark explains in his pre-print paper:

"Generations of physicists and chemists have studied what happens when you group together vast numbers of atoms, finding that their collective behaviour depends on the pattern in which they are arranged: the key difference between a solid, a liquid, and a gas lies not in the types of atoms, but in their arrangement.

In this paper, I conjecture that consciousness can be understood as yet another state of matter. Just as there are many types of liquids, there are many types of consciousness.

However, this should not preclude us from identifying, quantifying, modelling, and ultimately understanding the characteristic properties that all liquid forms of matter (or all conscious forms of matter) share."

In other words, Tegmark isn’t suggesting that there are physical clumps of perceptronium sitting somewhere in your brain and coursing through your veins to impart a sense of self-awareness.

Rather, he proposes that consciousness can be interpreted as a mathematical pattern - the result of a particular set of mathematical conditions.


Just as there are certain conditions under which various states of matter - such as steam, water, and ice - can arise, so too can various forms of consciousness, he argues.

Figuring out what it takes to produce these various states of consciousness according to observable and measurable conditions could help us get a grip on what it actually is, and what that means for a human, a monkey, a flea, or a supercomputer.

The idea was inspired by the work of neuroscientist Giulio Tononi from the University of Wisconsin in Madison, who proposed in 2008 that if you wanted to prove that something had consciousness, you had to demonstrate two specific traits.

According to his integrated information theory (IIT), the first of these traits is that a conscious being must be capable of storing, processing, and recalling large amounts of information.

"And second," explains the arXiv.org blog, "this information must be integrated in a unified whole, so that it is impossible to divide into independent parts."

This means that consciousness has to be taken as a whole, and cannot be broken down into separate components. A conscious being or system has to not only be able to store and process information, but it must do so in a way that forms a complete, indivisible whole, Tononi argued.

If it occurred to you that a supercomputer could potentially have these traits, that’s sort of what Tononi was getting at.

As George Johnson writes for The New York Times, Tononi’s hypothesis predicted - with a whole lot of maths - that "devices as simple as a thermostat or a photoelectric diode might have glimmers of consciousness - a subjective self".

In Tononi’s calculations, those "glimmers of consciousness" do not necessarily equal a conscious system, and he even came up with a unit, called phi or Φ, which he said could be used to measure how conscious a particular entity is.

Six years later, Tegmark proposed that there are two types of matter that could be considered according to the integrated information theory.

The first is 'computronium', which meets the requirements of the first trait of being able to store, process, and recall large amounts of information. And the second is 'perceptronium', which does all of the above, but in a way that forms the indivisible whole Tononi described.

In his 2014 paper, Tegmark explores what he identifies as the five basic principles that could be used to distinguish conscious matter from other physical systems such as solids, liquids, and gases - "the information, integration, independence, dynamics, and utility principles".

He then spends 30 pages or so trying to explain how his new way of thinking about consciousness could explain the unique human perspective on the Universe.

As the arXiv.org blog explains, "When we look at a glass of iced water, we perceive the liquid and the solid ice cubes as independent things even though they are intimately linked as part of the same system. How does this happen? Out of all possible outcomes, why do we perceive this solution?"

It's an incomplete thought, because Tegmark doesn't have a solution. And as you might have guessed, it's not something that his peers have been eager to take up and run with. Tegmark himself might have even hit a brick wall with it, because he's never managed to take it beyond his pre-print, non-peer-reviewed paper.

That's the problem with something like consciousness - if you can't measure your attempts to measure it, how can you be sure you've measured it at all?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

More recently, scientists have attempted to explain how human consciousness could be transferred into an artificial body - seriously, there's a start-up that wants to do this - and one group of Swiss physicists have suggested consciousness occurs in 'time slices' that are hundreds of milliseconds apart.

As Matthew Davidson, who studies the neuroscience of consciousness at Monash University in Australia, explains over at The Conversation, we still don't know much about what consciousness actually is, but it's looking more and more likely that it's something we need to consider outside the realm of humans.

"If consciousness is indeed an emergent feature of a highly integrated network, as IIT suggests, then probably all complex systems - certainly all creatures with brains - have some minimal form of consciousness," he says.

"By extension, if consciousness is defined by the amount of integrated information in a system, then we may also need to move away from any form of human exceptionalism that says consciousness is exclusive to us."
http://www.sciencealert.com/this-physicist-is-arguing-that-consciousness-is-a-new-state-of-matter

Seun:
Can you show us an example of the type of medium you're referring to? The answer is that mediums are just scammers. Give us an example.

watch Hollywood Medium on E.

Examples of them abound everywhere. can take you to one if you want.

petra1:
Medium are real but demonic practice. God speaks through the holyspirit or prophets

I honestly Want to hear from an atheist.

Uyi168:
..Dnt u think agnostism is d part that eventually leads to atheism?

that's why I said 'sort of'. I'm just irreligious and many would want to label that as agnosticism.

Uyi168:
..I'm nt an atheist myself..strictly irreligious..

same here...I'm agnostic...sort of

STFUand4kMeHARD:
Whats the difference between the devil and an atheist that will never leave God alone, but keep looking for more souls that'd start disbelievibg God?

trust me, atheists are the slowest people I've ever met. they are just walking books. no common sense.

Uyi168:
There is no such thing as atheistic movement..what u re witnessing now is what i called 'evolution of d mind'..
very soon it will catch up with u..Moreso,we also have muslims turned atheist..

it's more or less a movement as many young people are now seeing atheism as the new cool...even those that have no clue what's about.

These people aren't really atheist. I think they are just lazy Christians and stingy Christians. they pick and drop what to believe in. They really do not have any clue as to what atheism is about.

For over a week now, I've been challenging them on one of my thread to explain to me how mediums operate, if everything in this world can be eplanined by science. Mediums are everywhere. These atheists wouldn't claim not to not know they exist.

mind you, I'm more of an agnostic myself.

ZKOSOSO:
It's madness to even contemplate the non existence of God.
No single atheist is honest. You can quote me anytime....
In Africa, medium is almost in every corner of the villages, towns and cities. I was confronted by a mallam....french speaking senegalese in Abuja early this year unsolicited...he told me many things on his own without me uttering a word to him...not even greeting. Almost all he said were correct... I just ignored him and drove off..
So medium shows God exist as the overall LORD of the universe.
Demons are everywhere. They have power of their own but as a Christian you too carry power to know somethings around you if you are prayerful.

I always thought those were intelligent guesses. I'm still surprised why no atheist has been able to dispute mediums. I searched the entire Google sphere but couldn't find any article disputing mediums. I would want the opinions of Nairaland atheists on this.

cc johnydon22 seun

ZKOSOSO:
There are plains of existence interwoven in this life we live....
Everyone is in triplicate...body, soul, spirit.
Lowest power is in the body consisting of systems, organs, tissues etc.
Higher force that travels in split seconds with information is in the spirit...
The Soul is the life and the breath of God our maker..
As a Christian we shouldn't lack this info..

to atheists, does the existence of mediums prove in some way that spirits exists?

I still need an answer guys